budaatum:

You really need to stop insulting your parents. They cannot be responsible for the level of stupidity you exhibit!

It is festive season BudaAtum.
I wish you and your family a truly blessed Season. May all your dreams come true. May your elbows be greased !!

Oh my girl says thanks. Remember you told her that she deserves better.

JackBizzle:


Did you inherit your belief in God or Christianity from your parents?

Kingebukasblog ati butterflyl1on come and carry your dumb troll commot.

Cc felixomor

You are so dumb it actually hurts me on your behalf. If I wanted to carry you away out of pity I would definitely not be able to find any intelligent place to hold on to as you are perforated on all sides by dumbness.

Are beliefs all about religion? So you have no beliefs outside religion?

Sciencewatch is leagues beyond you when it comes to ability to actually reason.

butterflyl1on:


You are so dumb it actually hurts me on your behalf. If I wanted to carry you away out of pity I would definitely not be able to find any intelligent place to hold on to as you are perforated on all sides by dumbness.

Are beliefs all about religion? So you have no beliefs outside religion?

Sciencewatch is leagues beyond you when it comes to ability to actually reason.

Thanks Butterfly1on, you explain these complex issues the best. You just increased Jack's IQ.
More grease to your elbows. My wish for you this festive season is that you won't bump into Jack while on holiday. He will pester you for an autograph.

butterflyl1on:


You are so dumb it actually hurts me on your behalf. If I wanted to carry you away out of pity I would definitely not be able to find any intelligent place to hold on to as you are perforated on all sides by dumbness.

Are beliefs all about religion? So you have no beliefs outside religion?

Sciencewatch is leagues beyond you when it comes to ability to actually reason.

I like your comment as it is a clear case of you not only being purposefully dumb but also talking off point.

The crux of the matter here is whether beliefs are inherited traits- and they are not.

See how you opened your comment with insults without contributing one iota of sense.

JackBizzle:



I like your comment as it is a clear case of you not only being purposefully dumb but also talking off point.

The crux of the matter here is whether beliefs are inherited traits- and they are not.

See how you opened your comment with insults without contributing one iota of sense.

I do not think you know what "traits" mean. If you did you would realise that the ability to "believe" or have beliefs is an inherent trait in EVERYONE. WE ARE WIRED TO HAVE BELIEFS BE THEY FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING.

how do you think knowledge came about? Knowledge never begins alone. The origin of knowledge is BELIEF.

like I said, you are so dumb it hurts me on your behalf.

butterflyl1on:


I do not think you know what "traits" mean. If you did you would realise that the ability to "believe" or have beliefs is an inherent trait in EVERYONE. WE ARE WIRED TO HAVE BELIEFS BE THEY FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING.

how do you think knowledge came about? Knowledge never begins alone. The origin of knowledge is BELIEF.

like I said, you are so dumb it hurts me on your behalf.

Again. You have shown that you love speaking out of topic and off point.

You are now talking off point about "ability to believe". Ogbeni, the issue was about "beliefs" not the ability to believe.

Are beliefs inherited traits? No, they are not.

Belief in God for example is not inherited. It is learned.

JackBizzle:



Again. You have shown that you love speaking out of topic and off point.

You are now talking off point about "ability to believe". Ogbeni, the issue was about "beliefs" not the ability to believe.

Are beliefs inherited traits? No, they are not.

Belief in God for example is not inherited. It is learned.

Despite monotonously Calling you a dummy you do not know what a dummy looks like even when it is obviously you.

I am talking about other things apart from religion but of course your dummy mindedness cannot reason or see anything outside religion.

Let me repeat for sake of the failed mental system you possess,

BELIEF IS THE VERY FOUNDATION FOR KNOWLEDGE.

Regarding the bold text in your morbidly morose comment this is an extract of my comment again. Read it again and give yourself several slaps.

I do not think you know what "traits" mean. If you did you would realise that the ability to "believe" or have beliefs is an inherent trait in EVERYONE. WE ARE WIRED TO HAVE BELIEFS BE THEY FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING.

Even common everyday English you cannot understand mtcheeew.

butterflyl1on:


Despite monotonously Calling you a dummy you do not know what a dummy looks like even when it is obviously you.

I am talking about other things apart from religion but of course your dummy mindedness cannot reason or see anything outside religion.

Let me repeat for sake of the failed mental system you possess,

BELIEF IS THE VERY FOUNDATION FOR KNOWLEDGE.

Regarding the bold text in your morbidly morose comment this is an extract of my comment again. Read it again and give yourself several slaps.



Even common everyday English you cannot understand mtcheeew.

You have a PhD in talking off point.

The original argument is about the failure of platingas argument that beliefs about survival can be used to argue against naturalism hence evolution.


Atheists and scientists countered that beliefs are not an inherited trait.


But a clown like you is trying to twist and claim that beliefs are inherited traits. Philosophers and scientists have already spoken but no a fool like you is coming here to beat an empty barrel.

Name one belief you inherited. Plus. Indulge me by explaining your daft argument.

JackBizzle:


You have a PhD in talking off point.

The original argument is about the failure of platingas argument that beliefs about survival can be used to argue against naturalism hence evolution.


Atheists and scientists countered that beliefs are not an inherited trait.


But a clown like you is trying to twist and claim that beliefs are inherited traits. Philosophers and scientists have already spoken but no a fool like you is coming here to beat an empty barrel.

Name one belief you inherited. Plus. Indulge me by explaining your daft argument.

Read your comment again in bold. The comment says BELIEFS and not RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. you are indeed a mumu raised to infinity.

In your world of mumu you actually think that KNOWLEDGE JUST FELL FROM THE SKY?

you think knowledge just simply happens? LMAO and SMH.

Do yourself a favour and read up on the link between belief and knowledge and when you do, this time do not just slap yourself but also shoot yourself 10 times in the skull.

Your mumu is obviously on suicide watch anyway.

Jackbizzle aka dumbizzle your royal mumuness you seem not to know that KNOWLEDGE IS DEFINED AS JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF.

butterflyl1on:


Read your comment again in bold. The comment says BELIEFS and not RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. you are indeed a mumu raised to infinity.

In your world of mumu you actually think that KNOWLEDGE JUST FELL FROM THE SKY?

you think knowledge just simply happens? LMAO and SMH.

Do yourself a favour and read up on the link between belief and knowledge and when you do, this time do not just slap yourself but also shoot yourself 10 times in the skull.

Your mumu is obviously on suicide watch anyway.

What is this one saying?

How can beliefs be inherited? Whether religious or non religious beliefs, they can't be inherited. Did you inherit any beliefs from your dad?


Lol....you are making my Christmas merry with your entertaining foolishness.

butterflyl1on:
Jackbizzle aka dumbizzle your royal mumuness you seem not to know that KNOWLEDGE IS DEFINED AS JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF.

Jack Dumbo actually.

Ogbeni, why didn't you define beliefs? You daft or something?

The issue is beliefs.

JackBizzle:



What is this one saying?

How can beliefs be inherited? Whether religious or non religious beliefs, they can't be inherited. Did you inherit any beliefs from your dad?


Lol....you are making my Christmas merry with your entertaining foolishness.

He obviously hasn't heard of Gettier problem

budaatum:


He obviously hasn't heard of Gettier problem

Lol....this is a merry Christmas indeed.

So the fool butterflyl1on was ignorant of his own argument? Lol

JackBizzle:



Jack Dumbo actually.

Ogbeni, why didn't you define beliefs? You daft or something?

The issue is beliefs.

Even my phone is beginning to misbehave from your dense stupidity.

The issue is beliefs and your word "TRAIT" or are you now not just a mumu but also a liar?

The traits of belief are inherited because we consciously or unconsciously hold on to beliefs. Nobody is a blank slate not even when locked up in darkness for years.

When nothing is available to cause beliefs WE FORMULATE OUR OWN. we are indivisible from beliefs and most of the knowledge we have today came from such beliefs.

When such beliefs are proven or justified then they become knowledge.

You are an amazing specimen of stupidity.

budaatum:


He obviously hasn't heard of Gettier problem

Google indeed can not even help you get a much needed intelligence boost. Gettier problem does not hold true and is simply an opinion. See me logically thinking for myself without recourse to google but you had to jump on someone else's opinion. Shows how illogical you lot are.

Question? How is knowledge acquired in the absence of external stimuli?

Question? How as a child can observation trigger knowledge through belief?

If you can answer these questions then your zero intelligence would rise up and shock you.

You may think up things in your head, imagine it to be true and call it 'knowledge' just like I do when I imagine I have a million pounds in my bank account. I swear its there, waiting for me to spend it. External stimuli may not agree with me though.

So which comes first, the thing one believes or the knowledge that leads one to believe a thing? Does one acquire a belief without first knowing what to believe?

Your second question has no meaning! Knowledge is not triggered through belief!

All that is by the side. Beliefs are not inherited! If they were, you would not be a Christian!

butterflyl1on:


Google indeed can not even help you get a much needed intelligence boost. Gettier problem does not hold true and is simply an opinion. See me logically thinking for myself without recourse to google but you had to jump on someone else's opinion. Shows how illogical you lot are.

Question? How is knowledge acquired in the absence of external stimuli?

Question? How as a child can observation trigger knowledge through belief?

If you can answer these questions then your zero intelligence would rise up and shock you.

budaatum:
You may think up things in your head, imagine it to be true and call it 'knowledge' just like I do when I imagine I have a million pounds in my bank account. I swear its there, waiting for me to spend it. External stimuli may not agree with me though.

So which comes first, the thing one believes or the knowledge that leads one to believe a thing? Does one acquire a belief without first knowing what to believe?

Your second question has no meaning! Knowledge is not triggered through belief!

All that is by the side. Beliefs are not inherited! If they were, you would not be a Christian!

Dummy!

If you had any inkling of what dumbbizzle said you would see where he mentioned TRAITS. Now link traits with our everyday desire to hold on to something and believe in something.

Beliefs are naturally derived as its a part of our genetic makeup.

Children are born NATURALLY BELIEVING AND TRUSTING in who they see. it does not come as a struggle. It is hard wired in them. They hold beliefs not based on Knowledge but based on OBSERVATION. often times IGNORANT observations until those ignorant observations become beliefs and those beliefs become JUSTIFIED or proven and become knowledge.

We are all born NATURALLY BELIEVING in our abilities no matter how limited they are. Blinking, grasping, crawling, hand to mouth hand movement, etc.

We are born with a natural belief dna in us that breeds trust and a dependency nature on people we perceive as more knowledgeable, stronger, bigger, etc. We don't think it, we just do it. Have you ever seen a child pause and ask himself or herself a question like, "why do I even need this adult"? And asking such questions IN THE PRESENCE OF SAID ADULT.

the answer to the above question is NEVER! the moment an adult appears they immediately automatically fall in line as the needy, dependant, more inferior specimen.

Beliefs are interwoven in our genes and it makes me wonder and I beg to ask, what is your take about science and what brought this about?

butterflyl1on:


They hold beliefs not based on Knowledge but based on OBSERVATION.

Baby acquires knowledge (this is mummy) through observation (she puts tit in my mouth) and then forms a belief (I trust mummy) from that knowledge (mummy! mummy!)

Observation is of external stimuli. It is the knowledge on which a belief of trust is based on. If belief were wired in, a baby will not differentiate between mummy and stranger, but baby does differentiate.

Try to see what one is saying rather than seek opportunity to just insult. Someone might just learn from you!

OBSERVATION is a form of knowledge!

budaatum:

Baby acquires knowledge (this is mummy) through observation (she puts tit in my mouth) and then forms a belief (I trust mummy) from that knowledge (mummy! mummy!)

Observation is of external stimuli. It is the knowledge on which a belief of trust is based on. If belief were wired in, a baby will not differentiate between mummy and stranger, but baby does differentiate.

Try to see what one is saying rather than seek opportunity to just insult. Someone might just learn from you!

OBSERVATION is a form of knowledge!

Wrong again.

Baby has no idea who mummy is and here is proof. Any other woman can place a tit in babys mouth and baby would gladly accept it. Baby asks no questions just has a hardwired set of commands such as eat, cry, shït and sleep (in no particular order).

Take a baby away from its birth mother and placed under the care of another who isn't and watch baby welcome mummy number 2 also without asking questions. Why do you think babies who are adopted at such a tender age never get to find our UNLESS they are told that they were adopted?

Baby has zero knowledge as a baby and his observation is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with. THEY SIMPLY JUST HAVE A BELIEF OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE DONE. just like when in some traditions they toss a baby into water at birth and a baby instinctively begins to swim. They not only begin to swim but they also hold their breathe and open their eyes immediately while in the water. Care to share with me the observation that brought the knowledge of swimming and what to do while in the water upon a new born baby.

We have more than enough to work with here without the swimming, so lets crack on. Oh, and I appreciate the suspension of the insults. Merry Christmas.

So your baby is a new born baby. I get you. As you mention, "Baby has zero knowledge as a baby and his observation is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with."

Now consider the following: Baby has zero knowledge belief as a baby and his observation existence is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with.

Why does the 'mindless new born baby' that has zero knowledge not have zero belief?

Does the 'mindless new born baby' require belief to perform its automated actions?

Or, in another sense, what belief does a 'mindless new born baby' have?

For clarity, could you post the definition of belief you are working with here.

butterflyl1on:


Wrong again.

Baby has no idea who mummy is and here is proof. Any other woman can place a tit in babys mouth and baby would gladly accept it. Baby asks no questions just has a hardwired set of commands such as eat, cry, shït and sleep (in no particular order).

Take a baby away from its birth mother and placed under the care of another who isn't and watch baby welcome mummy number 2 also without asking questions. Why do you think babies who are adopted at such a tender age never get to find our UNLESS they are told that they were adopted?

Baby has zero knowledge as a baby and his observation is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with. THEY SIMPLY JUST HAVE A BELIEF OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE DONE. just like when in some traditions they toss a baby into water at birth and a baby instinctively begins to swim. They not only begin to swim but they also hold their breathe and open their eyes immediately while in the water. Care to share with me the observation that brought the knowledge of swimming and what to do while in the water upon a new born baby.

budaatum:
We have more than enough to work with here without the swimming, so lets crack on. Oh, and I appreciate the suspension of the insults. Merry Christmas.

So your baby is a new born baby. I get you. As you mention, "Baby has zero knowledge as a baby and his observation is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with."

Now consider the following: Baby has zero knowledge belief as a baby and his observation existence is a mindless one as its actions are more automated than intelligent to start with.

Why does the 'mindless new born baby' that has zero knowledge not have zero belief?

Does the 'mindless new born baby' require belief to perform its automated actions?

Or, in another sense, what belief does a 'mindless new born baby' have?

For clarity, could you post the definition of belief you are working with here.

belief
noun
A. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

B. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

The B part speaks for itself when I said earlier that we are hardwired to trust and be dependant. It's in our DNA. We always look up to what we see as LOVING, TRUSTING, WARM, KIND, etc.

A baby has never crawled or walked in his life but even without any observation, a baby somehow has the belief it can crawl and eventually can stand. It even also has the belief it can sit.

It's trust and confidence level is huge when it comes to being assisted. So tiny yet for the first time sees people so huge but never frets and never shows fear. Rather it immediately begins seeking comfort from these giants without fear of being crushed, dropped etc.

Regarding your question about zero knowledge and zero belief I thought you said knowledge and belief are not linked so why now ask such a question? Are you confused?

Knowledge is JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF. A baby has belief but when the belief is JUSTIFIED or PROVEN via observation or intelligence, it becomes knowledge. Knowledge it can work with at anytime.

butterflyl1on:



belief
noun
A. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

B. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

The B part speaks for itself when I said earlier that we are hardwired to trust and be dependant. It's in our DNA. We always look up to what we see as LOVING, TRUSTING, WARM, KIND, etc.

A baby has never crawled or walked in his life but even without any observation, a baby somehow has the belief it can crawl and eventually can stand. It even also has the belief it can sit.

It's trust and confidence level is huge when it comes to being assisted. So tiny yet for the first time sees people so huge but never frets and never shows fear. Rather it immediately begins seeking comfort from these giants without fear of being crushed, dropped etc.

Regarding your question about zero knowledge and zero belief I thought you said knowledge and belief are not linked so why now ask such a question? Are you confused?

Knowledge is JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF. A baby has belief but when the belief is JUSTIFIED or PROVEN via observation or intelligence, it becomes knowledge. Knowledge it can work with at anytime.

In your example, was any of the baby's beliefs inherited from the parents?

And you are wrong. Babies don't believe that they can suck milk out of nipples. It is a learning process. If the mother does not offer, it won't know. Babies can't reason.

Babies crawl because they can. They are testing their limbs. They don't crawl at first because they believe they can. They just do and instincts take over.

JackBizzle:



In your example, was any of the baby's beliefs inherited from the parents?

And you are wrong. Babies don't believe that they can suck milk out of nipples. It is a learning process. If the mother does not offer, it won't know. Babies can't reason.

Babies crawl because they can. They are testing their limbs. They don't crawl at first because they believe they can. They just do and instincts take over.

Here comes the dummy again

You forget so soon that your choice of word was TRAITS. and yes the traits of belief are inherited and yes babies know that breasts are for sucking. A mother does not need to offer it before the baby would seek it out.

Would you say that sucking the nipple when the baby locates it is also learned?

You are dumb.

JackBizzle:



I like your comment as it is a clear case of you not only being purposefully dumb but also talking off point.

The crux of the matter here is whether beliefs are inherited traits- and they are not.

See how you opened your comment with insults without contributing one iota of sense.

Compliments of the season to you JAckbizzle. I trust you are enjoying this magnificent season of LOVE.
With respect for your difficulties I note here; You argue at cross purposes when you fail to separate the spiritual/heart from the secular.
The worlds education systems are very inadequate at imparting WISDOM. It has been proven that no amount of degrees or professorships can impart wisdom. Secular education is deliberately blocking respect for mightier spiritual knowledge.

Now I repeat what I said - Spiritually, beliefs can be inherited. For the sake of calming simplicity Sir, There are only two forces that dominate our beliefs without our consent. They come from the realms of the demonic or from the purity of God. No one need be ignorant of these scientifically verifiable TRUTHS any longer. Kings, presidents, army generals, doctors, professors, Till packers, taxi drivers, etc have seen and testified to the superior power of spiritual entities acting in their lives and their families lives from generation to generation and shaped their beliefs and therefore the actions.

Please find a reliable practical source to study thousands of real life evidence of the superior power of invisible spiritual forces acting on our material reality, our minds, our emotions and our beliefs and actions.

I believe any of the following esteemed Nairalanders can help by sharing their experiences with you of how beliefs can be inherited;
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butterflyl1on:


Here comes the dummy again

You forget so soon that your choice of word was TRAITS. and yes the traits of belief are inherited and yes babies know that breasts are for sucking. A mother does not need to offer it before the baby would seek it out.

Would you say that sucking the nipple when the baby locates it is also learned?

You are dumb.

Try and be merry. Your insults only make you look pained.

Please learn the definition of traits with regards to science (genetics) before you talk out of point.


trait
treɪt,treɪ/
noun

a distinguishing quality or characteristic, typically one belonging to a person.
"the traditionally British trait of self-denigration"
synonyms: characteristic, attribute, feature, quality, essential quality, property, distinction, idiosyncrasy, peculiarity, quirk, foible, singularity, oddity, eccentricity, abnormality, mark, trademark, hallmark, earmark; More

a genetically determined characteristic.
"breeders were installing some trait that allowed the crop to thrive"

JackBizzle:



Try and be merry. Your insults only make you look pained.

Please learn the definition of traits with regards to science (genetics) before you talk out of point.


trait
treɪt,treɪ/
noun

a distinguishing quality or characteristic, typically one belonging to a person.
"the traditionally British trait of self-denigration"
synonyms: characteristic, attribute, feature, quality, essential quality, property, distinction, idiosyncrasy, peculiarity, quirk, foible, singularity, oddity, eccentricity, abnormality, mark, trademark, hallmark, earmark; More

a genetically determined characteristic.
"breeders were installing some trait that allowed the crop to thrive"

Your own dictionary has slammed you and shown you that you were wrong.

Traits are genetic and the natural ability to have beliefs even without external stimuli shows that we are genetically wired this way.

Dumbbizzle grow some sense. It being Christmas wouldn't make me change from calling you what you are.

butterflyl1on:



Your own dictionary has slammed you and shown you that you were wrong.

Traits are genetic and the natural ability to have beliefs even without external stimuli shows that we are genetically wired this way.

Dumbbizzle grow some sense. It being Christmas wouldn't make me change from calling you what you are.

Out of point as usual.

The issue here is beliefs as heritable traits.

There is a difference between belief and "ability to believe'.

Please stop talking out of point. No one is talking about the ability to believe.

We are talking about beliefs eg Christianity, superstition etc and not the ability to believe those things


Ogbeni stop being a dubious clown. Thanks

JackBizzle:


Out of point as usual.

The issue here is beliefs as heritable traits.

There is a difference between belief and "ability to believe'.

Please stop talking out of point. No one is talking about the ability to believe.

We are talking about beliefs eg Christianity, superstition etc and not the ability to believe those things


Ogbeni stop being a dubious clown. Thanks

You are nowhere smart enough to see your mumu even when I made it bold for you above.

Define belief. Give me the full definition so you would see how stupid you truly are.

butterflyl1on:


You are nowhere smart enough to see your mumu even when I made it bold for you above.

Define belief. Give me the full definition so you would see how stupid you truly are.

Take your dubious clown azz out of here. Who has time for your crap?

Bookmarking this thread for your dumbass comments

JackBizzle:



Take your dubious clown azz out of here. Who has time for your crap?

Bookmarking this thread for your dumbass comments

Define belief dumbbizzle

Or you want to run?

First be educated. One does not have to be confused to ask a question. Ot could be asked for that purppse, of course, but can also be a rhetorical question, one to make you consider what you mean.

Now, here is what you previously said.

butterflyl1on:


[b]Baby has no idea [/b]who mummy is and here is proof. Any other woman can place a tit in babys mouth and baby would gladly accept it. Baby asks no questions just has a hardwired set of commands such as eat, cry, shït and sleep (in no particular order).

But below you are saying baby has idea of some things - suck, crawl, stand.

For your information, new born babies do not know how to crawl or stand. These are learned behaviour. Also know a baby will suck at whatever you place in its mouth. Try a finger. It probably does this to satisfy the external stimuli called hunger.

A baby does not know if a thing is true or not. Nor does it believe anything. It does not even trust, as you pointed out. If you placed a fire in front of it it will grab at it. It basically just exists which is why you have to care for it. It acquires knowledge as it grows up, and it forms beliefs from its experience.

If beliefs were inherited, it would mean they are concepts one has accepted with no consideration on ones part. You may see how it negates freethinking perhaps, and freewill. Surely if that were the case - that there is no freewill - then we would all think and believe the same things and there would be no differences between us.

Do consider the questions I posed in my previous. Your thought on them interest me.

butterflyl1on:



belief
noun
A. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

B. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

The B part speaks for itself when I said earlier that we are hardwired to trust and be dependant. It's in our DNA. We always look up to what we see as LOVING, TRUSTING, WARM, KIND, etc.

A baby has never crawled or walked in his life but even without any observation, a baby somehow has the belief it can crawl and eventually can stand. It even also has the belief it can sit.

It's trust and confidence level is huge when it comes to being assisted. So tiny yet for the first time sees people so huge but never frets and never shows fear. Rather it immediately begins seeking comfort from these giants without fear of being crushed, dropped etc.

Regarding your question about zero knowledge and zero belief I thought you said knowledge and belief are not linked so why now ask such a question? Are you confused?

Knowledge is JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF. A baby has belief but when the belief is JUSTIFIED or PROVEN via observation or intelligence, it becomes knowledge. Knowledge it can work with at anytime.