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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 6:46pm On Dec 26, 2017
Meanwhile, our dearest beloved Tammy has finally exhausted his chances and the coach has dropped him to the bench for failing to score a goal in 10 games

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by oloriooko(m): 6:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


When our players enter camp for the Friendlies, let us see if those who are playing regularly will outperform Nacho in camp. If they do not, then Nacho is heading to Russia. It is about quality at the end.
Bro he cannot warm bench and think of a place in WC for that competitive position

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 6:47pm On Dec 26, 2017
junnyjake:


Then why is the performance at your club a major factor in inviting players??

look, club performance puts players in the spotlight and gives them the necessary recognition.

Have you ever wonder why some players keep getting call ups despite under performing in their clubs? Spain kept inviting Torres even while performing abysmally for Chelsea. Fabregas was always one of the first name on the list despite not having enough playing time with Chelsea. That's one country as an example. Do you know while their coach kept faith with them-it was because he knew that they'll deliver.
Marcos Alonso has been phenomenal for Chelsea since last year. Do you know what? He is still hoping for his First invitation.

If I'm too tow your line of proposition, every player that comes to the spot light(is in form) should be invited ba? You can't have a national team by inviting all players base on their club performances alone or else you'll only be having new sets of players to execute each match...

Even Rohr knows this. That's while he has been inviting Musa, Onazi before he moved to Turkey, Moses Simon etc.
Onyekuru has been having Stellar performances consistently for his clubs but still he has only been having epileptic call-ups.

To cut the story short, club performance is one thing and replicating it in the national team is another.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 6:48pm On Dec 26, 2017
MetalJigsaw:
How do you asses his performances generally when playing in for Nigeria? In how many appearances has he impressed when called upon compared to his poor displays? We all saw Ogu and what he did with the little chance he was afforded.


You said he put up a " tidy display" . is that all is required of him to feature in our midfield let alone replace Marshall Mikel Obi in crucial matches?

I don't think Agu was a direct replacement for Mikel Obi. I think Agu was brought on to protect the lead.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:48pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
na you be the coach wey go drop am before World Cup abi?

If you like don't watch World Cup when he goes to Russia.
Hahahahaha
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:50pm On Dec 26, 2017
AIG07:

look, club performance puts players in the spotlight and gives them the necessary recognition.

Have you ever wonder why some players keep getting call ups despite under performing in their clubs? Spain kept inviting Torres even while performing abysmally for Chelsea. Fabregas was always one of the first name on the list despite not having enough playing time with Chelsea. That's one country as an example. Do you know while their coach kept faith with them-it was because he knew that they'll deliver.
Marcos Alonso has been phenomenal for Chelsea since last year. Do you know what? He is still hoping for his First invitation.

If I'm too tow your line of proposition, every player that comes to the spot light(is in form) should be invited ba? You can't have a national team by inviting all players base on their club performances alone or else you'll only be having new sets of players to execute each match...

Even Rohr knows this. That's while he has been inviting Musa, Onazi before he moved to Turkey, Moses Simon etc.
Onyekuru has been having Stellar performances consistently for his clubs but still he has only been having epileptic call-ups.

To cut the story short, club performance is one thing and replicating it in the national team is another.

You deserve a bowl of full chicken for dinner.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 6:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
jihday:
kanu wasn't a flop in the Argentina game, he got injured by Veron and was substituted before halftime
My man from my own opinion he was a flop in that match or can you tell me any WC match that Kanu show his class,pls when we talk of Eagles,Kanu was just too average, three WC appearance and Five Afcon but not a single goal and 12 goals with over 87 caps for Eagles though a great player which i admired and respect but i don't need to mix things up cos i love KANU
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
Icon4s:


Yes Eguavoen was a fire brigade call up due to eratic performance of Mobi. He, Eguavoen, was the immediate predecessor at RB to Mobi and so was recalled. We started the qualifiers with Eguavoen and ended it with Mobi.

You really have pristine memory of that selection. I can't even recall Mutiu was once drafted as RB when Mobi ran into problems.

The first problem that team had was not participating in the 1998 AFCON. The first competitive game they played that year I think was against Yugoslavia and that was less than 3 weeks to the WC. Many of those players were not thoroughly assessed.

We hope to see more of you here.



I think the unfortunate side of our right back preparation for the France '98 World Cup was the injury to Jero Shakpoke in the game against the Netherlands we lost 5-1. He was doing well until the injury. I think after Mobi had a tough game in the Friendly against Yugoslavia, Jero Shakpoke was picked. He did well but injured.

Eguavoen came into the game against Holland and Seedorf and co, tore Eguavoen to shreds. After that, we had to go back to Mobi and he started in the game against Spain at the World Cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by oloriooko(m): 6:52pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
na you be the coach wey go drop am before World Cup abi?

If you like don't watch World Cup when he goes to Russia.
You cannot be in good form by warming bench and not being named in the squad
Rohr should not be sentimental about his choice

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:56pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
Meanwhile, our dearest beloved Tammy has finally exhausted his chances and the coach has dropped him to the bench for failing to score a goal in 10 games

At least him dey bench. Where is Iheanacho?


(Runs out of thread with hands protecting head from missiles)

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 6:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
oloriooko:

You cannot be in good form by warming bench and not being named in the squad
Rohr should not be sentimental about his choice
Rohr is only concerned with the form his players are in for the team he manages.

You can be in good form and be warming bench, if in doubt, ask Mikel Obi.

It is you who needs to stop being emotional and crying on social media over a decision that isn't yours to make

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
Kog45:
My man from my own opinion he was a flop in that match or can you tell me any WC match that Kanu show his class,pls when we talk of Eagles,Kanu was just too average, three WC appearance and Five Afcon but not a single goal and 12 goals with over 87 caps for Eagles though a great player which i admired and respect but i don't need to mix things up cos i love KANU

Kanu contributed more to the team than Goals. He spent a lot of time dropping deep and helping the team stay fluid. The Super Eagles boasted of many sprinting forwards/Wingers. Kanu's game for us had more to do with team play than goals.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 7:01pm On Dec 26, 2017
Icon4s:


At least him dey bench. Where is Iheanacho?


(Runs out of thread with hands protecting head from missiles)
only reason Tammy dey bench sef na because he dey play for England. Did anybody give Iheanacho a run of 10 straight games before he was thrown into the bin?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 7:02pm On Dec 26, 2017
Kog45:
My man pls go and check archives.very well Dosu was never a third keeper at Julius Berger.He remain one of the best keeper to come out of Julius Berger.As at 1996 he was a super regular deputised by Victor Gbenebechie.

Thats probably why Julius Berger sucked so badly. If a basket like Joseph Dosu was your best choice then you must really suck.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:03pm On Dec 26, 2017
oloriooko:

Bro he cannot warm bench and think of a place in WC for that competitive position


So indirectly, if a coach drops any of our key players from the starting line-up, the player loses his place in the team. So Conte can destroy our World Cup preparation by dropping Victor Moses on the bench until the end of the season and wham, another key player is out of the team.

We need our best players in the team. The best way to do it is to get our very best pool to camp and select the best.

That was why Iheanacho a bench warmer at Leicester City could have a good game against the Argentines and whipped in a brilliant free kick. Based on your ideology, Iheanacho should not have started that game.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 7:06pm On Dec 26, 2017
Icon4s:


You deserve a bowl of full chicken for dinner.
A bowl!? That'll be too much. But I won't mind it for New Year celebration.

Sir, what is your view on our defence considering that most of our defenders have never played in any international tournament before?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:07pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I think the unfortunate side of our right back preparation for the France '98 World Cup was the injury to Jero Shakpoke in the game against the Netherlands we lost 5-1. He was doing well until the injury. I think after Mobi had a tough game in the Friendly against Yugoslavia, Jero Shakpoke was picked. He did well but injured.

Eguavoen came into the game against Holland and Seedorf and co, tore Eguavoen to shreds. After that, we had to go back to Mobi and he started in the game against Spain at the World Cup.

Hahaha. The whole team had a bad day not just Eguavoen.

Jerome Shakponke first played in a 2-2 draw against Jamaica earlier in the year or so.
He put up a good performance but Bora kept faith with Mobi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:12pm On Dec 26, 2017
AIG07:

look, club performance puts players in the spotlight and gives them the necessary recognition.

Have you ever wonder why some players keep getting call ups despite under performing in their clubs? Spain kept inviting Torres even while performing abysmally for Chelsea. Fabregas was always one of the first name on the list despite not having enough playing time with Chelsea. That's one country as an example. Do you know while their coach kept faith with them-it was because he knew that they'll deliver.
Marcos Alonso has been phenomenal for Chelsea since last year. Do you know what? He is still hoping for his First invitation.

If I'm too tow your line of proposition, every player that comes to the spot light(is in form) should be invited ba? You can't have a national team by inviting all players base on their club performances alone or else you'll only be having new sets of players to execute each match...

Even Rohr knows this. That's while he has been inviting Musa, Onazi before he moved to Turkey, Moses Simon etc.
Onyekuru has been having Stellar performances consistently for his clubs but still he has only been having epileptic call-ups.

To cut the story short, club performance is one thing and replicating it in the national team is another.

Baffles me how someone can replicate his form without being invited. As for Mark Alonso, he is not a better option than Jordi Alba. Off the top of my head. I can guess there are other players better than him and that is why he has not been invited.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 7:13pm On Dec 26, 2017
goldfish80:


Our attack is overrated. Remove Ighalo and the much maligned Nwakaeme, the rest of our attackers and midfielders combined cannot boast of 5 goals between them this season.
I hope the chicken don't come home to roast come June next year.


our attack is not bad , the number of goals scored during the qualifier wasn't bad , also the friendly produced a lot of goals , thats to tell you that something is right about the team .

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 7:13pm On Dec 26, 2017
Kog45:
Oga icon4s pls do not justify Ezenwa invitation, it was pure injustice for a second keeper in domestic league making national team and Dosu Joseph was never a bench warmer talkless of third keeper as at 93-96 in any club sides in Nigeria.


You guys dont understand this, Ezenwa was not invited based on his current form as at when he was invited rather based on confidence inherited from previous performances. And I know you will ask are there not other goalkeepers doing well, well , there were but the goalkeeping job is a little different than outfield players. Keepers are mostly invited based on previous performances which usually means they have experience which translates into confidence and a crucial game like the one against Cameroon and Zambia is not an ideal occasion to try news hands.Ezenwa heroic performance at previous CHAN was still following him and lets be honest, my nigga rose to the occasion when he was needed.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by oloriooko(m): 7:14pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
Rohr is only concerned with the form his players are in for the team he manages.

You can be in good form and be warming bench, if in doubt, ask Mikel Obi.

It is you who needs to stop being emotional and crying on social media over a decision that isn't yours to make
You seem to take this thing too personal
Stop the cry and think it through
Nacho is losing form so fast by warming the bench and not making the squad and in your all knowing wisdom you think he will be a WC star?
I love Nacho but if he fails to keep a place in the first 11 in Leicester not ManU, ManC, Liverpool of Tot then I don't see the magic he can pull to make impact in the WC
Oba goal plays week in week out in China and to you Nacho should be selected ahead of him cuz he scored in a friendly Oba was not invited
Sis playing week in and out improves you but if you do not you lose form, did you see Ibra today?
True the decision is Rohr's but he needs to jettison sentiments in his selections. We need the best legs for the WC not bunch of bench warmers

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
AIG07:

look, club performance puts players in the spotlight and gives them the necessary recognition.

Have you ever wonder why some players keep getting call ups despite under performing in their clubs? Spain kept inviting Torres even while performing abysmally for Chelsea. Fabregas was always one of the first name on the list despite not having enough playing time with Chelsea. That's one country as an example. Do you know while their coach kept faith with them-it was because he knew that they'll deliver.
Marcos Alonso has been phenomenal for Chelsea since last year. Do you know what? He is still hoping for his First invitation.

If I'm too tow your line of proposition, every player that comes to the spot light(is in form) should be invited ba? You can't have a national team by inviting all players base on their club performances alone or else you'll only be having new sets of players to execute each match...

Even Rohr knows this. That's while he has been inviting Musa, Onazi before he moved to Turkey, Moses Simon etc.
Onyekuru has been having Stellar performances consistently for his clubs but still he has only been having epileptic call-ups.

To cut the story short, club performance is one thing and replicating it in the national team is another.
Pls don't let us mixed things up.Cliub performance is the only way to national team especially early invitation.

Fernando Torres invitation despite being out of form was based on his previous performance for Spain,no new player or upcoming player would enjoy that privileged just like how Mikel was getting the invitations under Rohr and not making Chelsea day squad or what do you want to say about Musa and right now Iheanacho.

They are enjoying this privilege cos they distinguished themselves in their early invitations in eagles colours,so for a player to enjoy this he must prove himself first in his club then consistent performance in the national team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
Icon4s:


Hahaha. The whole team had a bad day not just Eguavoen.

Jerome Shakponke first played in a 2-2 draw against Jamaica earlier in the year or so.
He put up a good performance but Bora kept faith with Mobi.


I doubt Celestine Babayaro had a bad day. He was brilliant to the best of my knowledge. Remember him winning some balls from Clarence Seedorf. If Bora had faith in Mobi, he would not have started Jero ahead of Mobi when we played the Dutch team. I think we were balanced until Jero's injury. The introduction of Eguavoen (note, not Mobi) created a big disruption in the defence and the flood of goals was allowed in.

The team was poor but there were culprits to such humiliating defeat and Eguavoen was clearly one of the major ones.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by FabioPeter: 7:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
Meanwhile, our dearest beloved Tammy has finally exhausted his chances and the coach has dropped him to the bench for failing to score a goal in 10 games

Tammy is a fine prospect but he won’t make the super eagles WC squad on merit. He can save his talent for England U-21
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


My only problem is bias selection which was exemplified with the selection of Akpeyi and Ezenwa when it is obvious we have better choices.

If they will invite a handful of goalkeepers and select the best, I have no problem bringing in an old brigade to add to the mix. However, I do not trust the coaching crew to select the best and I see the Goalkeeping Department being our weakest point if we go in with bias and sentiments in our selections.

I once put up a post where I questioned the credentials of alloy agu and I wondered why he was still part of the coaching crew.

Were there no better goalkeeper coaches worldwide?

Its obvious that this man is the Nigerian factor personified (which hampers the right player section)

I wonder if he has any coaching certificate or experience of any kinda if he does, it should be posted here from all to see

I also said earlier that the majority of the blame for the failures of our goalkeepers rest on him

I don't just like the man sef. What happened to Ike shorunmu ?

Rohr brought in pionetti (not sure if I got his name right). So why is alloy agu still collecting salary?

Not used to getting annoyed but the presence of this man in our coaching crew irritates me to no end?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 7:19pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
Meanwhile, our dearest beloved Tammy has finally exhausted his chances and the coach has dropped him to the bench for failing to score a goal in 10 games

Same Tammy wey foreign born players proponents wan use tear my ear for here. I said it before and I will say it again English groomed players are mostly overrated and we must keep them far away from Super Eagle ,else they will turn our Eagle to sissies.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:22pm On Dec 26, 2017
MetalJigsaw:
The thought if Mikel being our only tested and trusted AM makes me pity Rohr and his team when/ if the dude gets visited by an injury. We need another AM Rohr!!


The only player that can play the AMF is Iwobi but he can't hold the ball and that is why Rohr is STILL SEARCHING for a player who is capable of holding the ball.

Kelechi Iheanacho can't play that role neither can Etebor. Why? Because an AMF must posses the ability to control and hold unto the ball but unfortunately, Kelechi can't even control a ball and he doesn't have superior techinical abilities while Etebor is a direct player. They are both SS.

This is an extract from Wikipedia

'The attacking midfielder is an important position that requires the player to possess superior technical abilities in terms of passing and dribbling, as well as, perhaps more importantly, the ability to read the opposing defence in order to deliver defence-splitting passes to the striker'



That is why you see players like Juan Mata, Bryan, Eden Harzard, Mario Gotze, David Silver, James Rodrigue, etc thrive in that role.

Do they(Kelechi and Etobor) play like these players listed above? I don't think so.

If they can play that role, why are they not given that role in their various clubs? Why is Mahrez preffered ahead of Iheanacho if he has those attributes?

Funny enough, the new coach tried Iheanacho in that role, guess what, he failed woefully.

The players that can do what is close to those players listed above are Mikel Obi, Sone Aluko and Abdul Ajagun.

We don"t need to bring untested players in a particular role because of sentiments.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:23pm On Dec 26, 2017
darkelf:


I once put up a post where I questioned the credentials of alloy agu and I wondered why he was still part of the coaching crew.

Were there no better goalkeeper coaches worldwide?

Its obvious that this man is the Nigerian factor personified (which hampers the right player section)

I wonder if he has any coaching certificate or experience of any kinda if he does, it should be posted here from all to see

I also said earlier that the majority of the blame for the failures of our goalkeepers rest on him

I don't just like the man sef. What happened to Ike shorunmu ?

Rohr brought in pionetti (not sure if I got his name right). So why is alloy agu still collecting salary?

Not used to getting annoyed but the presence of this man in our coaching crew irritates me to no end?

I do not know much about Alloy Agu's credentials but I know he has a history in the sports corridors of Nigerian football. Probably his history and knowledge of the game got him the job. However, I doubt he knows what he is doing there and I believe he has been a big draw back to our preparation for the World Cup. I think that is why Rohr is keen on Enyeama to save wasted time.

I would prefer a foreigner handling that department because a lot of bias goes into goalkeeper selection. It takes a lot of discipline from the coaching crew to get it right. But, it is atrocious under Alloy Agu.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 7:23pm On Dec 26, 2017
English media came in with their propagandish hype and Tammy thought we had arrived and publicly humiliated Nigeria....lol

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:24pm On Dec 26, 2017
OMANBALA1:




You guys dont understand this, Ezenwa was not invited based on his current form as at when he was invited rather based on confidence inherited from previous performances. And I know you will ask are there not other goalkeepers doing well, well , there were but the goalkeeping job is a little different than outfield players. Keepers are mostly invited based on previous performances which usually means they have experience which translates into confidence and a crucial game like the one against Cameroon and Zambia is not an ideal occasion to try news hands.Ezenwa heroic performance at previous CHAN was still following him and lets be honest, my nigga rose to the occasion when he was needed.
My man i know Ezenwa invitation was based on previous performance as home based Eagles keeper.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:25pm On Dec 26, 2017
AIG07:
A bowl!? That'll be too much. But I won't mind it for New Year celebration.

Sir, what is your view on our defence considering that most of our defenders have never played in any international tournament before?

No.You deserve for this night.

On the defense,

Echiejile is an AFCON winner and was at the 2010 WC.
Shehu and Ekong: Played every minute of the Rio Olympics football tourney. It is a major factor that has boosted both players' performance in the team.
Omeruo you know is an AFCON winner and featured in the last WC.
Balogun I know has enough playing experience to cope with the challenges ahead. Though his pace is still a course of worry.
As for Awaziem, Ebuehi, Aina and Idowu, I recon that those of them that will make the final squad would not have issues integrating with the rest of the team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:26pm On Dec 26, 2017
AIG07:
A bowl!? That'll be too much. But I won't mind it for New Year celebration.

Sir, what is your view on our defence considering that most of our defenders have never played in any international tournament before?

No.You deserve it for this night.

On the defense,

Echiejile is an AFCON winner and was at the 2010 WC.
Shehu and Ekong: Played every minute of the Rio Olympics football tourney. It is a major factor that has boosted both players' performance in the team.
Omeruo you know is an AFCON winner and featured in the last WC.
Balogun I know has enough playing experience to cope with the challenges ahead. Though his pace is still a course of worry.
As for Awaziem, Ebuehi, Aina and Idowu, I recon that those of them that will make the final squad would not have issues integrating with the rest of the team.

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