₦airaland Forum

Icon4s:
Then are you sure Nwanneri was in that team?

Kog45:
Well may be for guys who are just watching the game not for someone like me even in the 90s the league was not that rated except for Anderlecht who are solid during Keshi era,i remember they played against Sampdoria in European cup final and losing 2 nil with Vialli scoring a brace.

kennysville:
just to correct that impression, Amokachi was in club Brugge and was their top scorer. I cant speak for when he was in everton. Racism was rife with Joe Royle preferring Duncan Ferguson in the attack. He may not have had the numbers there in everton. But when in belgium he was the hitman for club brugge

kennysville:
just to correct that impression, Amokachi was in club Brugge and was their top scorer. I cant speak for when he was in everton. Racism was rife with Joe Royle preferring Duncan Ferguson in the attack. He may not have had the numbers there in everton. But when in belgium he was the hitman for club brugge

realpoacher:
God bless you immensely for this exposure. Watch as both @forgiveness or @komern ignore this. When I have been screaming about them being agents doing everything to get their players into the team, you all thought I was lying.

Smh

Hope you know they were not scoring in their respective clubs while playing the qualifiers?

Tell me how many goals they scored at the qualifiers and friendly.

For now they play and score well in the GWG. If they stop scoring, only then we can complain

Another thing is, with the way you keep harping about them not performing at their club sides but perform well together as a unit.

Don't you think that Nigeria as a whole have a style of play?..just as we have the samba dance of Brazil?

Don't you think that when together, they play our style well and it produces results?

Must we play like the Europeans or The Americans?

Give it a rest already

Mujtahida:
Dear forumites: I respect 94 squad. Player for player they have more quality than the present crop. But in terms of clubs and leagues this present guys even seem to be better evenly placed with more regular game time.

Current SE squad of at least 29 players

1-Mikel Obi - Tiajin Teda, China(regular)
2-Ighalo - Changchun yatai, China (regular)
3- Simon Moses - Gent, Belgium (regular)
4- Onyekuru - Anderlecht, Belgium(regular)
5- Uche A- Standard Liege, Belgium(regular)
6-Shehu A- Famagusta, Cyprus (regular)
7-Ekong - Burasipor, Turkey(regular)
8-Agu - Burasipor, Turkey (regular)
9-Omeruo - Kasimpasa, Turkey(regular)
10-Balogun - Mainz, Germany (not too regular)
11-Awaziem - Nantes, France(regular)
12-Vicmo - Chelsea, EPL(regular)
13-Ndidi - Leicester City, EPL(over regular)
14-Iheanacho - Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
15-Musa- Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
16-Iwobi - Arsenal, EPL(fairly regular)
17-Ebuehi - Ado den haag, Holland(regular)
18-Aina-Hull city, English Championship (regular)
19-Etebo - Fierense, Portugal(fairly regular)
20-Ogu - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
21-Nwakaeme - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
22-Idowu - Amkar Perm, Russia (regular)
23-Kayode - Girona, Spain (regular)
24-Echeijile - Sarvispor, Turkey(fairly regular)
Gk
25-Akpeyi- SA, Chippa U (regular)
26-Ezenwa - unattached
27-Uzoho - Deportivo B, Spain(regular)
28-Ajiboye - Plateau U, Nig (regular)
29-Alampasu - Fierense, Portugal (not regular)

Please compare this list above with the one of the 94 set attached below (significant year is 94)

chrisooblog:
Again with the presumption so it wasn't possible that the bulgarian team just had a bad game against us and were improving as the tournament progressed The bulgarian team that we defeated in 1998 where a shadow of themselves and not thats great again.

Why I said that you insinuated that the italians were rubbish was because you said there was no reason why we should have lost that game but the italians you forget were a top side full of experienced players who managed the game better than us. Plus it's not the first time that a team of 11 players will lose to ten players for example didn't argentina lose to cameroon in italia 90? Please tell me how many shots on goal we had before emmanuel and daniel were taking off. If we had been tactically smarter and jj had been more purposeful we could have wrapped up the match before the equaliser I can't count the number of times Okocha would dribble into promising positions but fail to release the ball on time while for the equaliser sundays inability to deal with the on rushing Italian was the cause and not this urban legend you keep repeating that the loss of two individuals led to our inability to defend a one goal lead.

Yes I agreed that our strikers have been poor this season but that hasn't correlated to their performance in the national team. Last year when the previous season just started apart from KC how many of our strikers were prolific. Is it victor moses all moses simon or odion ighalo or iwobi but we use this guys to successfully execute our world cup campaign. Curiously henry onyekuru and kayode who were scoring left right and centre for their clubs didn't play any crucial role for us.

Your scepticism is believing thats because our players are going through a tough time means they won't do well for the super eagles and like mujtahida said no be today our players dey post average performances it happened before 94 98 and so on

I would advice you learn to manage your expectations as regards this team and not feel we have some world class players somewhere that will transform our team into world beaters over night.

If you choose to give yourself high blood pressure over what cannot be changed in the next 6 months that is your business as for me I will continue to support and give realistic critisms of this team

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Icon4s:
The U20 WC is played at the end of the season. It falls within the FIFA free window. Clubs are obliged to release these players.
The youths players are available at that time of the year. Look at England. They even paraded two different teams for the U20 WC and European U21.

The Olympics doesnt fall into the FIFA calendar so clubs are not obliged to release players.

We do not give the U20 tournament the respect and attention it requires which is why we have continued to fail.

Mujtahida:
Dear forumites: I respect 94 squad. Player for player they have more quality than the present crop. But in terms of clubs and leagues this present guys even seem to be better evenly placed with more regular game time.

Current SE squad of at least 29 players

1-Mikel Obi - Tiajin Teda, China(regular)
2-Ighalo - Changchun yatai, China (regular)
3- Simon Moses - Gent, Belgium (regular)
4- Onyekuru - Anderlecht, Belgium(regular)
5- Uche A- Standard Liege, Belgium(regular)
6-Shehu A- Famagusta, Cyprus (regular)
7-Ekong - Burasipor, Turkey(regular)
8-Agu - Burasipor, Turkey (regular)
9-Omeruo - Kasimpasa, Turkey(regular)
10-Balogun - Mainz, Germany (not too regular)
11-Awaziem - Nantes, France(regular)
12-Vicmo - Chelsea, EPL(regular)
13-Ndidi - Leicester City, EPL(over regular)
14-Iheanacho - Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
15-Musa- Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
16-Iwobi - Arsenal, EPL(fairly regular)
17-Ebuehi - Ado den haag, Holland(regular)
18-Aina-Hull city, English Championship (regular)
19-Etebo - Fierense, Portugal(fairly regular)
20-Ogu - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
21-Nwakaeme - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
22-Idowu - Amkar Perm, Russia (regular)
23-Kayode - Girona, Spain (regular)
24-Echeijile - Sarvispor, Turkey(fairly regular)
Gk
25-Akpeyi- SA, Chippa U (regular)
26-Ezenwa - unattached
27-Uzoho - Deportivo B, Spain(regular)
28-Ajiboye - Plateau U, Nig (regular)
29-Alampasu - Fierense, Portugal (not regular)

Please compare this list above with the one of the 94 set attached below (significant year is 94)

komekn:
The term regular is good but doesn't tell the full story. For instance as regular as Awaziem and Agu are how many career games have they played How many games have they played in the Champions league

I wouldn't call him a seasoned pro in comparison to say Iorfa, Gomez or Iwobi who are in his age range but much more experienced. In this regard Etebo is a regular but with more experience l would say.

goldfish80:
Nigeria and indeed Africa was an emerging force in the world of football in 94. We were like the Iceland of 94 (if the narrative fits). It is understandable our players were gradually integrating themselves into main stream European football at the time, hence, they won't be super regulars until 2_3 years when they found their feet.
When these guys fully matured in 1996, they walked to the Olympic gold.

Same parameters cant be used to judge the 2018 set. They are not the pioneers.... The foundation have been laid for them by our heroes past.
The paltry returns we have seen this season is even more inexcusable since you claim they are more regulars for their teams now compared to 1994 set.

Take a look at the team you posted, only only Ighalo, Onyekuru, Nwakaeme have managed to be in any kind of form this season. Out of the 3 ,only Ighalo(who was only recently recalled after an uproar by some of us who saw Kelechi not good enough to spearhead the attack) is certain to play a role in the team come June 2018.
Is this good enough?

junnyjake:
Or maybe another argument would be made that the Belgian league of the 90s isn't same as what's obtained today.

Mujtahida:
Na wa ooo. And after the bolded how many out of the 30 players or so could the writer pick as those needing to move in January? Just two: Iheanacho and Musa. Enyeama, ideye and Success thus far are not part of the team.
Ebuehi, Aina, Shehu, Moses, VicMo, Ndidi, Onazi, Ogu, Etebo, Ekong, Omeruo, Ighalo, Mikel, Idowu, Onyekwuru, Agu, Iwobi are all playing regularly. Awaziem just got a permanent deal.
I will counter this false narrative anywhere I see it. Criticism must be factual and in accordance with reality not assumptions and misconceptions from minds that are already prejudiced.

you know they were not scoring in their respective clubs while playing the qualifiers?

Tell me how many goals they scored at the qualifiers and friendly.

For now they play and score well in the GWG. If they stop scoring, only then we can complain

Another thing is, with the way you keep harping about them not performing at their club sides but perform well together as a unit.

Don't you think that Nigeria as a whole have a style of play?..just as we have the samba dance of Brazil?

Don't you think that when together, they play our style well and it produces results?

Must we play like the Europeans or The Americans?

Give it a rest already

komekn:
To this day the fans in Everton remember Amokachi with fond memories. Not too long ago at a match he was given a standing ovation.

When he was at Brugge he was considering one of the best strikers in that league. He was being courted by a lot of top European clubs after Nigeria's exploits in the World Cup of 1994.

Consider that Amunike had left Sporting for Barcelona.

Taribo was considered one of the best defenders in Europe. If I'm right he played two seasons for Inter without missing any games almost. Uche was the top defender in the Turkish league for Fenerbache, Oliseh, Finidi, Kanu, Yekini, Babayaro, Okocha, Ikpeba were top players playing in the top teams of Europe not in the backwaters or warming the bench permanently.

Add to that list the much under rated but top quality players in the name of Wilson Oruma, Tijani Babangida, Adepoju.

Compared to what we have now. We have gone from shopping in Harrods to the £1 pound bargain basement shop. That's regression.

Our back line of Uche, Taribo, Babayaro, we're seasoned first team players for too clubs in Europe.

Compare that to Balogun, Ekong and Echiejile.

What we have are in all honesty below average players particularly in comparison to the pre millennium SE. You can have all the team spirit you like that will only carry you so far. In the end quality gets you ahead.

Mujtahida:
You made the mistake earlier of replying to my post and opined that I misunderstood you. No. I was addressing forgiveness and komekn who seem(as I understand them) to posit that the 94 set were super players playing super football in super leagues. All my posts have been driven to counter that point and to show that that is simply false.

I don't think you have compared these guys with the 94 set. You have only critiqued them in their own right as players and that's okay by me. But please read the valid questions asked by realpoacher.

Mujtahida:
U-17 and u-20 are age grade competitions. They are on the same level with the u - 20 a notch higher. Winning u-20 award is not a huge awyard. Not even u-23 is. Don't push it because of Solanke. If a Nigerian player wins this same award now you will change your song. I have read you so many times and slowly my perception of your views has crystallised. I didn't compare Osimhen to Solanke. I only pointed out that if Osimhen were to do what Solanke did you won't regard it. I can't for the life of me compare Osimhen to Solanke. Who is Solanke? Is he a Nigerian player? If not for you guys I don't even give a hoot about him and I truly wish him the best. But you are unduly prejudiced against our players. Do you know how I know you are prejudiced? You are not aware of it, you are blind to it. That's classic prejudice.

There's something about Osimhen that triggers some angst inside of you. I do not say this lightly. A man might be down and struggling. If I turn that fact into a song and making a dance out of it then the issue is no longer with the struggling man, the issue is with me.

Look at all Nigerian players- especially the Nigerian players not those of uncertain national allegiance - with the eyes of hope, show believe, show faith in them. Players should be criticized but it need not be always as I see you do once Iheanacho and Osimhen are mentioned. The truth is if you do not believe or have hope in these players why then are you criticising them? It is only those who have faith in them that ought to criticize them. Those who do not have faith should be sincere enough to acknowledge that their joy is to see this players go down rather than to mask their ill will under the guise of criticism. It is not your criticism that riles me. It's the spirit behind it: you don't want this two boys to come to any good in football. Examine yourself Sir. I say this with deep soberness.
I will not defend Iheanacho(and I have criticised him here or Osimhen(after his outing against SA I opined he wasn't ripe for the SE) but till the end I will show faith in them. Let them succeed. It's my joy. Their failings will give me no joy at all not even when I see better options. They are human beings like me. I know how incredibly difficult it can be to succeed and for some it's not a straight journey.

Mujtahida:
And this is super for you . so super to the extent you will say 94 were not average but the present crop are average. So it's by champions league goals now abi? When Onyekuru is mentioned as doing the equivalent of what Ikpeba did you will put Onyekuru down.

Finidi was at Ajax? Is that it? So Vicmo is at mamelodi sundowns? And Ndidi is at Kitwe United of Zambia?

We had players at Anderlecht? Where is Onyekuru? Are you so determined to be blind? I was expecting that you will mention AC Milan or Inter. Were the 94 set better as individuals? I adopt Kog45 analysis as mine to answer this question. But were they all playing in better clubs as outstanding players. No! Clubwise there's no difference with the present crop contrary to your false romanticism of the past.
Quit this comparisons. It's getting ridiculous. After some time I will let this issue rest trusting I have done enough to counter your false narrative. I will leave you to your prejudice.

Ephraim is joined to his idols;leave him alone. (Hosea 4:7)

Mujtahida:
Dear forumites: I respect 94 squad. Player for player they have more quality than the present crop. But in terms of clubs and leagues this present guys even seem to be better evenly placed with more regular game time.

Current SE squad of at least 29 players

1-Mikel Obi - Tiajin Teda, China(regular)
2-Ighalo - Changchun yatai, China (regular)
3- Simon Moses - Gent, Belgium (regular)
4- Onyekuru - Anderlecht, Belgium(regular)
5- Uche A- Standard Liege, Belgium(regular)
6-Shehu A- Famagusta, Cyprus (regular)
7-Ekong - Burasipor, Turkey(regular)
8-Agu - Burasipor, Turkey (regular)
9-Omeruo - Kasimpasa, Turkey(regular)
10-Balogun - Mainz, Germany (not too regular)
11-Awaziem - Nantes, France(regular)
12-Vicmo - Chelsea, EPL(regular)
13-Ndidi - Leicester City, EPL(over regular)
14-Iheanacho - Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
15-Musa- Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
16-Iwobi - Arsenal, EPL(fairly regular)
17-Ebuehi - Ado den haag, Holland(regular)
18-Aina-Hull city, English Championship (regular)
19-Etebo - Fierense, Portugal(fairly regular)
20-Ogu - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
21-Nwakaeme - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
22-Idowu - Amkar Perm, Russia (regular)
23-Kayode - Girona, Spain (regular)
24-Echeijile - Sarvispor, Turkey(fairly regular)
Gk
25-Akpeyi- SA, Chippa U (regular)
26-Ezenwa - unattached
27-Uzoho - Deportivo B, Spain(regular)
28-Ajiboye - Plateau U, Nig (regular)
29-Alampasu - Fierense, Portugal (not regular)

Please compare this list above with the one of the 94 set attached below (significant year is 94)

goldfish80:
Maybe you didnt follow my initial comments yesterday or you deliberately chose to ignore it.
I made a study and posted my findings. As a matter of fact, I discovered that all our attackers combined with the exception of Ighalo and the much maligned Nwakaeme(he maybe dropped), the rest of them have contributed just 5 goals all season.
Is this what you call world cup form?

You're talking about game time, while I'm taking about performance.

The fact is that , our attackers need to hit their strides really fast. Those playing must step up and be counted while the inactive ones must find solutions ASAP.

Making semi finals in the world cup is no child's play.
I honestly don't appreciate being misunderstood.

Consider that Amunike had left Sporting for Barcelona.

Taribo was considered one of the best defenders in Europe. If I'm right he played two seasons for Inter without missing any games almost. Uche was the top defender in the Turkish league for Fenerbache, Oliseh, Finidi, Kanu, Yekini, Babayaro, Okocha, Ikpeba were top players playing in the top teams of Europe not in the backwaters or warming the bench permanently.

Add to that list the much under rated but top quality players in the name of Wilson Oruma, Tijani Babangida, Adepoju.

Compared to what we have now. We have gone from shopping in Harrods to the £1 pound bargain basement shop. That's regression.

Our back line of Uche, Taribo, Babayaro, we're seasoned first team players for too clubs in Europe.

Compare that to Balogun, Ekong and Echiejile

What we have are in all honesty below average players particularly in comparison to the pre millennium SE. You can have all the team spirit you like that will only carry you so far. In the end quality gets you ahead.

tbaba1234:
Nigerian players play different roles at club level and national team level. Mikel and Moses, who are more defensive players at club level, play more adventurous roles in the national team. Iheanacho has not always played the top 9 role for Nigeria even against Argentina. Shehu plays as a right back.etc

It is not always useful comparing club form to national team.

In 2002, Henry and Trezeguet were unstoppable at club level but could not bark in the world cup.

We just need the players in top physical and mental shape.

goldfish80:
Nigeria and indeed Africa was an emerging force in the world of football in 94. We were like the Iceland of 94 (if the narrative fits). It is understandable our players were gradually integrating themselves into main stream European football at the time, hence, they won't be super regulars until 2_3 years when they found their feet.
When these guys fully matured in 1996, they walked to the Olympic gold.

Same parameters cant be used to judge the 2018 set. They are not the pioneers.... The foundation have been laid for them by our heroes past.
The paltry returns we have seen this season is even more inexcusable since you claim they are more regulars for their teams now compared to 1994 set.

Take a look at the team you posted, only only Ighalo, Onyekuru, Nwakaeme have managed to hit any kind of form this season. Out of the 3 ,only Ighalo(who was only recently recalled after an uproar by some of us who saw Kelechi not good enough to spearhead the attack) is certain to play a role in the team come June 2018.
Is this good enough?

goldfish80:
Nigeria and indeed Africa was an emerging force in the world of football in 94. We were like the Iceland of 94 (if the narrative fits). It is understandable our players were gradually integrating themselves into main stream European football at the time, hence, they won't be super regulars until 2_3 years when they found their feet.
When these guys fully matured in 1996, they walked to the Olympic gold.

Same parameters cant be used to judge the 2018 set. They are not the pioneers.... The foundation have been laid for them by our heroes past.
The paltry returns we have seen this season is even more inexcusable since you claim they are more regulars for their teams now compared to 1994 set.

Take a look at the team you posted, only only Ighalo, Onyekuru, Nwakaeme have managed to hit any kind of form this season. Out of the 3 ,only Ighalo(who was only recently recalled after an uproar by some of us who saw Kelechi not good enough to spearhead the attack) is certain to play a role in the team come June 2018.
Is this good enough?

PROVERBZ:
Junior ajayi and stanley ohawuchi where amongst the top 5 best players in Egypt 10
Egypt's squad for the world cup is mostly Egyptian league based players

Many people(non nigerians) would argue that the Egyptian team is better Dan the super eagles .


How do we choose our players iwobi and iheanacho are not really good if u put sentiments apart just check arsenal page after most games iwobi plays and see the awful comments about him there

We have Ahmed musa who hasnt played a game for so longbut still makes our squad

we are busy clamouring for euro born players at their 6ixteens with no assurance that they would be great players and we avoid the home grown players doing well

my people before u start asking for solanke tomori or any oda players with Nigerians parents born in Europe that nobody knows about with no zeal or dream to play for the super eagles


Ask urself have u given the real Nigerians a fare shot??

Here Arabs voted for jnr ajayi against sadio mane and another Arab guy ask urself if it were iwobi if the results would still go in out favour

komekn:
Firstly, in your quest to prove biased undue dislike you muddle the issues moving the goal posts. You make a proposition but with no substance.

Consider your proposition in bold. Firstly, I will reiterate there is a HUGE GULF AND DISPARITY between U17 and U20.

U17 is characterised by players some even 15 who have never played a senior professional game. The dynamics are different they are academy players mostly showing promise. They are not professional players yet mostly.

The U20 set up is intrinsically and entirely different across Europe not just England. We are not looking at prospects but seasoned young professional players at top clubs. For instance consider Demarai Grey he has played 160 professional games with 60 of those games in the EPL. There are other with far less games a reflection of the top clubs they play at and limited opportunities.

When you win an accolade as a young professional player as best U20 world cup playersl, you are really being recognised professionally. It's gone beyond prospect and potential. That's why clubs were queuing up to buy him incredibly cheap as well.

I DO NOT DO DOUBLE STANDARDS that would be deception and unprofessionalism. There is one yardstick in England for all players it doesn't change because you are Nigerian. I will not say treat players with kids gloves. ITS VERY TOUGH the competition is nasty, it's not fair, it's even corrupt. I prepare players for the reality of football not adulation from the terraces. I prepare them for WAR so they can succeed and not fail. I don't give false promises or pain things with rose tinted spectacles so they can feel good.

If I was advising KC he would not be in the quagmire he is in now. He is an excellent player but I've seen many excellent players fail. Because of not taking constructive criticism the right positional strategy and believing the distractive misguided hype from fans like you.

It is unfortunate this have been the bane of Nigerian players, from the npfl players straight to the top. Their fans aren't helping matters.
They seem to have pigeon holed themselves into seeing things from a particular perspective.



You ABSOLUTELY have no idea about the spirit behind what propels me or the intention behind my words. I face 1000% more racism each day than you can imagine. I overcome because I'm prepared for battle.

In that regard succes comes to those who are diligent in discipline and pursuing excellence. Overcoming multiple obstacles fair and unfair. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

safarigirl:
only Ighalo is certain to play a role in the team come June 2018? Are you joking? One goal Ighalo is the certain one?

How can any sane person take you seriously with such myopic reasoning? You keep missing the point and it is very sad

Truidstar:
Oga please kindly explain to the house how Greece without quality players but excellent team spirit managed to win Euro 2004. While you are at it kindly enlighten us on how Denmark who had to hurriedly assemble a team at Euro 92, due to the former Yugoslavia bring unable to present a team due to war in Yugoslavia at that time; Denmark won tournament despite not been given a chance.