Originakalokalo:


Seun said...

He told his disciples to preach to the Jews only.


Jesus said.... Go years INTO THE WORLD. and preach the gospel.

JESUS himself preached to the Samaritan woman. She was not a Jew.


Jesus called Paul to preach to us the gentiles.



God promised in the old testament to provoke the Jews to jelosy by embracing the Gentiles.

SO TRUE

Christians defending old testament while criticising islam is one of the highest level of hypocrisy

hopefulLandlord:
Christians defending old testament while criticising islam is one of the highest level of hypocrisy

I am not defending anything.

There is no need for it.

In the time of the Law, you sin , you die.
Hence the instant judgment at that time.


During the period of Grace,

when you sin, you are pardoned.

Judgement is no longer instant.

Because of the blood of Jesus.



Even for those who do not believe in Jesus,

The blood is still pleading for more time for them.


God destroys sinners. He destroyed the then world and saved 8 people only.

There is nothing to defend.

hopefulLandlord:
Christians defending old testament while criticising islam is one of the highest level of hypocrisy

It's quite shocking to say the least. They make it sound like the "God" in the OT is different from the one in the NT yet, they say "...he is the same yesterday, today and forever". It's just off.

festwiz:
It's quite shocking to say the least. They make it sound like the "God" in the OT is different from the one in the NT yet, they say "...he is the same yesterday, today and forever". It's just off.

He is the the same yesterday, today and forever.

Judgement was instant then.


Because of the blood of Jesus,

Judgement is delayed now


That's why you are still alive. So that you can repent.

Originakalokalo:



I am not defending anything.

There is no need for it.

In the time of the Law, you sin , you die.
Hence the instant judgment at that time.


During the period of Grace,

when you sin, you are pardoned.

Judgement is no longer instant.

Because of the blood of Jesus.



Even for those who do not believe in Jesus,

The blood is still pleading for more time for them.


God destroys sinners. He destroyed the then world and saved 8 people only.

There is nothing to defend.

exactly!!!!

your god was at some point killing people, destroying towns and villages, telling the Israelites to kill all male children and keep the young female viegins for themselves, crushed Jericho and even "made a stationary sun to stand still" so that more killings can be carried out, if you see nothing bad in all these and you think its defensible based on "that period" you've handed ammunition to the Islamic side that their god is doing the same; its simple as ABC but you guys don't get the dilemma

Originakalokalo:



He is the the same yesterday, today and forever.

Judgement was instant then.


Because of the blood of Jesus,

Judgement is delayed now


That's why you are still alive. So that you can repent.

So he has changed, or has change lost it's meaning.

hopefulLandlord:


exactly!!!!

your god was at some point killing people, destroying towns and villages, telling the Israelites to kill all male children and keep the young female viegins for themselves, crushed Jericho and even "made a stationary sun to stand still" so that more killings can be carried out, if you see nothing bad in all these and you think its defensible based on "that period" you've handed ammunition to the Islamic side that their god is doing the same; its simple as ABC but you guys don't get the dilemma

Ok.

festwiz:
So he has changed, or has change lost it's meaning.

Ok.

GOD IS ONE, HE CREATED ALL AND CAN DESTROY IF HE WANTS. BUT GOD IS LOVE

Originakalokalo:
Jericho did Evil and committed attrocities.

What evil did Jericho do, exactly? Be specific. Also, what atrocities did the babies of Jericho commit?

Originakalokalo:
Seun said... He told his disciples to preach to the Jews only.

From Matthew 10:

Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive htout impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness ...
with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons.

Why didn’t Jesus want them to preach to or perform miracles for the gentiles and Samaritans?

Seun:

What evil did Jericho do, exactly? Be specific. Also, what atrocities did the babies of Jericho commit?

From Matthew 10:
Why didn’t Jesus want them to preach to or perform miracles for the gentiles and Samaritans?

A specific instruction to them.


Paul was given that mandate to preach to the gentiles.

That was his ministry.


Eventually, the gentiles heard and we are saved.

kelvindbig:
GOD IS ONE, HE CREATED ALL AND CAN DESTROY IF HE WANTS.
BUT GOD IS LOVE

Exactly!!! and Muslims would say "Allah is one, he created all and can destroy if he wants!!!

Seun:

One of The most ridiculous things religions do is to say that certain men are perfect role models. It’s ridiculous because it’s easy to see that these role models are not perfect. For example, the gospels portray Jesus as a terrible teacher; even his closest disciples didn’t understand many of his teachings. He didn’t appoint any
woman as a disciple, which is sexist. He told his disciples to preach to only the Jews, which is tribalistic. But at least he never killed anybody, though Revelation suggests that he will slaughter his enemies when he comes back.

If we have dislike on Nairaland am going to click it because of the bold, not because of your response but going the Ad-hominem way

kelvindbig:
i am a soldier here in the north. some guys today went from arguing to fight. i had to step in. after much drilling, i asked why the fight and then i discovered its btw christian n muslim. one said mohammed is the true role model n the other said jesup is. i told them to bliv n follow who they want and not fight if not i will make them wash another trailer, this time 3.

pls NL i need your comments on this debate. lets learn

It is an insult to compare the Creator with his creation. All things were made by Jesus. He existed before the world began.

Mohammed was a terrorist and a womanizer. He had several wives and girl friends. He used Jihad to force Islam on people. He was never sent by God. He saw a false vision that deceived him.

hopefulLandlord:


Exactly!!! and Muslims would say "Allah is one, he created all and can destroy if he wants!!!

But Allah is a false god. The crescent moon and star sign, the tawaf of the kabaah, the kissing of the black stone are enough to know that Allah is not the creator of heavens and earth.

enilove:


But Allah is a false god. The crescent moon and star sign, the tawaf of the kabaah, the kissing of the black stone are enough to know that Allah is not the creator of heavens and earth.

I don't know bro, maybe discuss it with the Muslims? cuz I'm sure they disagree with you

Originakalokalo:
Canaanites used Children for sacrifice.
Amongst atrocities

In other words, God was angry that children were being sacrificed, so he had all the children killed to prevent them from being sacrificed.

I wish God Himself will open our eyes. We are brothers who sud love one another

I wish.....

Seun:

What “evil” did the babies and young children in Canaan do to deserve being slaughtered? If you haven’t killed anyone, then you don’t deserve to be killed. If God existed, he would know that.

Now Let Me Ask You. What If Prophet Mohammed was Killed As A Baby? How Would Our World Be Today?

DeadRat:
Now Let Me Ask You. What If Prophet Mohammed was Killed As A Baby? How Would Our World Be Today?

Hmm. I wonder why Hitler wasn't killed as a baby. #js

festwiz:
Hmm. I wonder why Hitler wasn't killed as a baby. #js

if That Happened Atheist would Surely Fault God(the One Who Sees The Future)

enilove:


How are those things terrible?

Can someone sow evil and expect to reap good?

God is had His reasons :

Leviticus 18:26-30 KJV
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: [27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
[28] That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
[29] For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
[30] Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

Even the Israelites were not speared whenever God was passing His judgements.

So commanding parents to eat the dead bodies of their children isn't bad? Commanding holy warriors to bash heads of infants against the rock isn't bad?

enilove:


But Allah is a false god. The crescent moon and star sign, the tawaf of the kabaah, the kissing of the black stone are enough to know that Allah is not the creator of heavens and earth.

This is why some Christians are dumb, you guys get dumber every day. Looks like as you're growing up, your brain capacity is diminishing. I say this because, you weren't like this as child, but now, you're very f lish. If Allaah is a false god, why then do Arab Christians still bear Abdullah as names before Prophet Muhammad(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam) was even born

DeadRat:
[s]Now Let Me Ask You. What If Prophet Mohammed was Killed As A Baby? How Would Our World Be Today?[/s]

Another stupi'd illiterate, Seun, I think you need to start asking members to fill "Sanity" forms before they join this forum. From this post, I see no reason why you should exist. Why did your God allow them to be born if they were to sacrificed? Nigerian Christians are full blown terrorists!

Demmzy15:
Another stupi'd illiterate, Seun, I think you need to start asking members to fill "Sanity" forms before they join this forum. From this post, I see no reason why you should exist. Why did your God allow them to be born if they were to sacrificed? Nigerian Christians are full blown terrorists!

Stop Them From Being Born! You Mean Like, stopping or coming To Tell The Father Of Mohammed Not To fvck his Mother?

Or

God Should Start Coming Down To Stop People From fvckin to Birth Kids?



So You Atheist can Still Hold That Against Him?



You Must Be A Very Foolish Atheist!!!

Demmzy15:
This is why some Christians are dumb, you guys get dumber every day. Looks like as you're growing up, your brain capacity is diminishing. I say this because, you weren't like this as child, but now, you're very f lish. If Allaah is a false god, why then do Arab Christians still bear Abdullah as names before Prophet Muhammad(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam) was even born

Who is dumb now?
If Arabs pagans had been using the name Allah while serving their false god b4 Muhammed came , what does that connote?

Every idol worshiper has name for his god . But these Arabs had been calling one of their gods Allah. His can that be difficult for you to know that Allah is an idol , a false god ?

What is the diff btw Allat and Allah ?
Allah is moon goddess worshipped by the pagans b4 Muhammed. Why did Islam maintain the crescent moon sign of idol Allat?

The preIslamic pagan Arabs worshipped god Allah .
They prayed 7 times a day ,
making prilgmage to mecca,
they tawaf the kabaah ,
they tawaf safa and marwa,
they kissed the black stone,
they throw stones at the devil,
used to fast in the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon, etc
The modern day Muslims practice these very idolatry rituals.

Is the killings and the use of force to make or convert people to accept Islam that is not also an indication that this Allah is not the real God that created you and I ?

God can make people to believe him without killing them.

Acts 3:1-16 KJV
Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour . [2] And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; [3] Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. [4] And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. [5] And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. [6] Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. [7] And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. [8] And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. [9] And all the people saw him walking and praising God: [10] And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. [11] And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. [12] And when Peter saw it , he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? [13] The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. [14] But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; [15] And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. [16] And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

enilove:


Who is dumb now?
If Arabs pagans had been using the name Allah while serving their false god b4 Muhammed came , what does that connote?

Read my post clearly before using your rotten thumbs to write, I said Arab Christians referred to Allaah as God well before Prophet Muhammad (Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam). These are Christians who have existed thousands of years even before your British masters that enslaved and gave you Christianity.

Every idol worshiper has name for his god . But these Arabs had been calling one of their gods Allah. His can that be difficult for you to know that Allah is an idol , a false god ?

Every civilization from the beginning have names they call God, there's a tribe in Australia that calls God "one with no Anus", that's how they call him. This is why Yoruba Muslims still call God Olohun because it's his name.

What is the diff btw Allat and Allah ?

Allat is a female diety which pagan Arabs falsely attribute as a daughter to Allaah. The Qur'an replied them: "He begets not, nor was he begotten"

Allah is moon goddess worshipped by the pagans b4 Muhammed. Why did Islam maintain the crescent moon sign of idol Allat?

There's no Cresent moon with Allat, the name of the pagan moon God of Arabia is Sin or Syn and he wasn't worshipped in North Arabia were Islam existed and was prevalent.

The preIslamic pagan Arabs worshipped god Allah .
They prayed 7 times a day ,
making prilgmage to mecca,
they tawaf the kabaah ,
they tawaf safa and marwa,
they kissed the black stone,
they throw stones at the devil,
used to fast in the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon, etc
The modern day Muslims practice these very idolatry rituals.

Very dumb, I say again, you're getting dumber everyday. Instead of learning new things to be smart, you're learning and getting more stup'd. All this rituals you mentioned was practiced by the forefather of the Arabs, Ishmael. They don't pray 7 times a day olodo, many years after Ishmael was gone. The people crept into idolatry while still doing some of this rituals, it's just the same way how Christianity got corrupted along the way after Jesus's departure.

Is the killings and the use of force to make or convert people to accept Islam that is not also an indication that this Allah is not the real God that created you and I ?

This question should be the other way round, it's Christians that conquered and forced Christianity onto other. You killed millions in Latin America, in fact you wouldn't be a Christian today had the British not conquered Nigeria!

God can make people to believe him without killing them.

Why did he kill the Canaanites? Why did he order his jihadists to bash heads of infants on rocks? Why did he order women to be split open, married should be killed and virgins as sex slaves? I remember reading how he requested for his own share of virgins, one wonders what he does with them?

[s]Acts 3:1-16 KJV
Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour . [2] And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; [3] Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. [4] And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. [5] And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. [6] Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. [7] And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. [8] And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. [9] And all the people saw him walking and praising God: [10] And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. [11] And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. [12] And when Peter saw it , he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? [13] The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. [14] But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; [15] And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. [16] And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.[/s]

Go and tell those who were killed unjustly throughout the generation this bollocks!

Seun:

In other words, God was angry that children were being sacrificed, so he had all the children killed to prevent them from being sacrificed.

I am done with you.

Una don start. anyway who have read The Necessity of Atheism by

David Marshall Brooks?

jericco1:
Una don start. anyway who have read The Necessity of Atheism by

David Marshall Brooks?

What is it about?

kelvindbig:

What is it about?

the book is about religion and its flaws