Christianity is irrational or more irraional than Islam. In Islam, you have God requesting/demanding/commanding/suggesting you to believe in Islam, in christianity you do not have a god that says “christianity is my religion. Xtianity is the religion you have to believe in”

Same for books. In Islam, It is told by god to follow the quran, in chrisyianity nowhere you can meet god saying “believe in bible”

Same for main doctrines: In islam, you are born pure (without any sin) and you are here to be tested, your deserving destination will be based on your deeds. It makes sense to me, how can a baby who has not done anything can be a sinner? The baby is pure, in christianity he is born sinner. Wait, what sin has he done? Did the baby kill someone? insult god? made blasphemy? raped someone? Nothing but he is a sinner.

Same for eternal world concept. In Islam, your destiny will be determined by comparing your deeds, in christianity the one who raped and killed throughout his life can go to heaven by simply accepting jesus died for his sins. On the other hand, a muslim that killed and raped throughout his life will be judged even though he is a practicant muslim. For ex: if Hitler was a christian, he is in heaven by now and if Gandhi or any other good man not christian, he is in hell by now.

No authentication in Xtianity. Jesus never asked people to believe in paul, Paul is a self-assigned successor of jesus. in order to accept someone as the assistent of someone, I need a verification stamp by the authority e.g by the boss. Paul and some others claims that paul is the successor but we do not have it from Jesus.

The reasoning of god is so hilarious in christianity. God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself? It is like Hitler crucifying himself to free prisoners from Himself. why would Hitler crucify himself when he could easily set the prisoners by just saying “it is over. Everyone is free.” Do not come with “God is just” absurdity, what kind of justice is that? Penalise 1 person for millions and even billions of criminalists. imagine your government doing it: one person is jailed and every and each rapist, killer, burglar, robber and e.t.c are awarded a castle, lux house, helicopter and e.t.c Is that a justice?

There are many but I will just mention one. Finally: christianity believes in the messiah but jesus does not even match a single criteria of the messiah. Then how could I believe in christianity?

You, yourself, internally and externally plus whatever you belief in are inconsequential

Op Pls tell us your full name, we'll be looking out for it when you are eventually caught with bombs

I agree with you that the core doctrines of Islam are more coherent and straightward than those of Christianity. This is because Islam was created largely by one man while Christianity evolved through a chaotic process involving many people - the Jewish scribes, Jesus, Peter, Paul, the bishops at the council of Nicea, etc.

However, this does not mean that Islam is a rational religion. The biggest proof of this is the way Muslims react whenever their religion is criticized or lampooned. That is not the way rational people respond to criticism. If your beliefs are rational, you don’t need to resort to butchery when they are challenged or lampooned. You can just calmly explain why you are right.

Common have you read where Muslim were asked not kill flies that perch in their food, but also eat it with the food ?

Both religion aren’t rational

The Bible makes one dumb
The Quran makes one a terrorist

Quran that revealed over 1439 years now has mentioned it that bible was written by human.Don't be surprised,this present bibles can never be in the same level with divine book.


Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 79:
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ

Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby.

Oricha62:
Quran that revealed over 1439 years now has mentioned it that bible was written by human.Don't be surprised,this present bibles can never be in the same level with divine book.


Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 79:
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ

Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby.

how do i know your Quran was inspired by Allah ?

blessedvisky:
Op Pls tell us your full name, we'll be looking out for it when you are eventually caught with bombs

LMAO! Abeg nor make laugh.

hakeem4:
how do i know your Quran was inspired by Allah ?

I am ready to educate you if you are sincere with your question

Seun:
I agree with you that the core doctrines of Islam are more coherent and straightward than those of Christianity. This is because Islam was created largely by one man while Christianity evolved through a chaotic process involving many people - the Jewish scribes, Jesus, Peter, Paul, the bishops at the council of Nicea, etc.

However, this does not mean that Islam is a rational religion. The biggest proof of this is the way Muslims react whenever their religion is criticized or lampooned. That is not the way rational people respond to criticism. If your beliefs are rational, you don’t need to resort to butchery when they are challenged or lampooned. You can just calmly explain why you are right.

..Seun,better ororo dy ur head

For op's sake,we've to derive another meaning for the word 'rational'...

Seun:
I agree with you that the core doctrines of Islam are more coherent and straightward than those of Christianity. This is because Islam was created largely by one man while Christianity evolved through a chaotic process involving many people - the Jewish scribes, Jesus, Peter, Paul, the bishops at the council of Nicea, etc.

However, this does not mean that Islam is a rational religion. The biggest proof of this is the way Muslims react whenever their religion is criticized or lampooned. That is not the way rational people respond to criticism. If your beliefs are rational, you don’t need to resort to butchery when they are challenged or lampooned. You can just calmly explain why you are right.

little wonder islam is been preferencial that christianity on this forum

but the truth is you guys know little about what Christianity is all about nor it's origin

Islam is and will remain a religion of terrorists.

hakeem4:
okay sir I’m willing to learn

Contact me through my email: oricha62@gmail.com

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22 These are the very words of Jesus.




Meaning, any other salvation preached by any other tribe or race is fake.


Accept Christ and embrace Christianity today and experience real salvation.

Seun:
I agree with you that the core doctrines of Islam are more coherent and straightward than those of Christianity. This is because Islam was created largely by one man while Christianity evolved through a chaotic process involving many people - the Jewish scribes, Jesus, Peter, Paul, the bishops at the council of Nicea, etc.

However, this does not mean that Islam is a rational religion. The biggest proof of this is the way Muslims react whenever their religion is criticized or lampooned. That is not the way rational people respond to criticism. If your beliefs are rational, you don’t need to resort to butchery when they are challenged or lampooned. You can just calmly explain why you are right.

Rational explain what exactly
Making Muhammad's(SAW) caricature

Seun:
I agree with you that the core doctrines of Islam are more coherent and straightward than those of Christianity. This is because Islam was created largely by one man while Christianity evolved through a chaotic process involving many people - the Jewish scribes, Jesus, Peter, Paul, the bishops at the council of Nicea, etc.

However, this does not mean that Islam is a rational religion. The biggest proof of this is the way Muslims react whenever their religion is criticized or lampooned. That is not the way rational people respond to criticism. If your beliefs are rational, you don’t need to resort to butchery when they are challenged or lampooned. You can just calmly explain why you are right.

I thought atheists don't believe in horoscopy?...your "yampyons" is a horoscope,right?

Lol

there is an old saying that says 'if it appears too good to be true, then it probably is'.

tartar9:

Rational explain what exactly
Making Muhammad's(SAW) caricature

even that small criticism from seun is already getting you all sad and riled up.


Anyhoo, according to quoran or hadit, mohammed got married slept with an underage girl after guzzling alcohol.

By today's standard, that makes mohammed an alcoholic paedophile.

Saying this obvious fact will probably get me killed in saudi or in more islamic extreme society.
A rational person will try to explain to me that mohammed never married an underage age or drank alcohol.

Irrational person will riot and ask for my head.

EarthXmetahuman:
even that small criticism from seun is already getting you all sad and riled up.


Anyhoo, according to quoran or hadit, mohammed got married slept with an underage girl after guzzling alcohol.

By today's standard, that makes mohammed an alcoholic paedophile.

Saying this obvious fact will probably get me killed in saudi or in more islamic extreme society.
A rational person will try to explain to me that mohammed never married an underage age or drank alcohol.

Irrational person will riot and ask for my head.

I'm not going to explain anything to you .....
just going to ask you ... where did you get all you just said from

EarthXmetahuman:
even that small criticism from seun is already getting you all sad and riled up.


Anyhoo, according to quoran or hadit, mohammed got married slept with an underage girl after guzzling alcohol.

By today's standard, that makes mohammed an alcoholic paedophile.

Saying this obvious fact will probably get me killed in saudi or in more islamic extreme society.
A rational person will try to explain to me that mohammed never married an underage age or drank alcohol.

Irrational person will riot and ask for my head.

In Saudi Arabia it will all first be explained,and if you still don't repent afterwards-you will be killed!

Anyways,why you guys ignoring the points raised up by the OP and bringing up irrelevant details to buttress your "Islam is irrational argument".How is the colour of Muhammad's(SAW) socks any consequential in the tenets of Islam.

tartar9:

In Saudi Arabia it will all first be explained,and if you still don't repent afterwards-you will be killed!

Anyways,why you guys ignoring the points raised up by the OP and bringing up irrelevant details to buttress your "Islam is irrational argument".How is the colour of Muhammad's(SAW) socks any consequential in the tenets of Islam.

explained? Rigggghhhtttt.
Why do I have to get killed for even having a different opinion. How is that rational?


If I explained to you that odin created the universe and you refuse to repent and accept my explanation, will killing you make me a rational person?


Op talked about why he preferred islam over christianity, I can also talk about why I prefer christianity of islam. Which brough about rationality.

EarthXmetahuman:
explained? Rigggghhhtttt.
Why do I have to get killed for even having a different opinion. How is that rational?


If I explained to you that odin created the universe and you refuse to repent and accept my explanation, will killing you make me a rational person?


Op talked about why he preferred islam over christianity, I can also talk about why I prefer christianity of islam. Which brough about rationality.

An explanation that is meant to insult others religious sensibilities.Are you saying you can't present your points in a cultured manner .Who then is being irrational here?
That's their laws,take it or leave it.Even some non-Muslim countries have blasphemy laws.
It's not every law in a country one agrees with,you just have to abide by them,especially one that doesn't affect you in any way but rather affects others.

Of course,you can present whatever reasons why you refer xtianity over Islam such as their Sunday clothes.I only said that the OP compared the main tenets of both religions and how rational they were.

tartar9:

An explanation that is meant to insult others religious sensibilities.Are you saying you can't present your points in a cultured manner .Who then is being irrational here?
That's their laws,take it or leave it.Even some non-Muslim countries have blasphemy laws.
It's not every law in a country one agrees with,you just have to abide by them,especially one that doesn't affect you in any way but rather affects others.

Of course,you can present whatever reasons why you refer xtianity over Islam such as their Sunday clothes.I only said that the OP compared the main tenets of both religions and how rational they were.

lol you are just rambling now. You don't have to be aggressive bro.

You still didn't answer my question.
Is blasphemy law a rational law?
Was the law not created by irrational people.

A rational person will learn to take criticism or respect people's opinion and move the heck on even if the opinion is based on “ignorance“.

If I insult or criticise your religion, you can insult mine in return or stop talking to me altogether. That's what a rational person would do. Irrational person will kill you or want to harm you, or want a law created that will force his opinion on you.



And I'm also comparing both tenets; and I'm of the opinion that Islam is the most irrational religion we have rightnow. with irrational people justifying the killing people for having different opinion (in the name of blasphemy laws, apostacy what whatever muslims use in justifying the killing of people for having different opinions) and it has refused to evolve like other religions. E.g Christianity.

U are attacking christianity but are ignorant or ignore the flaws&wickedness of islam.If u are a muslim explain jihad in the context of this verses. QURAN 2:216-218, QURAN 9:122-123, QURAN 47:4, QURAN 2:190-193 browse this site to know more~ http://www.chick.com/m/reading/tracts/readtract.asp?stk=1058

Kolanist:
U are attacking christianity but are ignorant or ignore the flaws&wickedness of islam.If u are a muslim explain jihad in the context of this verses. QURAN 2:216-218, QURAN 9:122-123, QURAN 47:4, QURAN 2:190-193 browse this site to know more~ http://www.chick.com/m/reading/tracts/readtract.asp?stk=1058

The main reason why you asked the question is simply because you don't understand the meaning of JIHAD. The media around the world has been given wrong meaning to jihad on their own without knowledge instead of seeking the meaning from the scholars.

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it doesn't mean holy war .there is nothing holy about war. War is war and it is evil .

Muslims use the word Jihad to describe three different kinds of struggle:

A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible

The struggle to build a good Muslim society

The struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary


Many modern writers explained that the main meaning of Jihad is the internal spiritual struggle, and this is accepted by many Muslims.

Kolanist:
U are attacking christianity but are ignorant or ignore the flaws&wickedness of islam.If u are a muslim explain jihad in the context of this verses. QURAN 2:216-218, QURAN 9:122-123, QURAN 47:4, QURAN 2:190-193 browse this site to know more~ http://www.chick.com/m/reading/tracts/readtract.asp?stk=1058

Further explanation regarding your question


Jihad, Arabic word, means to struggle, to strive, to do something good, to overcome something evil. The Prophet (saw) said,

“The best Jihad is a perfect Hajj, A perfect pilgrimage”.

Because in going to make pilgrimage, you have to control yourself. People will step on your toes, maybe you’ll lose some of your, provisions. You know you will find difficulty, and people crush together - three million people in one location - you can imagine there will be peoples' tempers, all these things will be there and you’ll be driven to want to argue, to shout or to get upset but you’re told to be calm, to be patient.

The perfect Hajj in which one is able to get through that - those eight days - without flying off the handle, you know arguing with people next to you, shouting at somebody else, but patiently bearing whatever difficulties you find.

So, the Prophet (saw ) says, this was the best Jihad. Hajj was the best Jihad.

This is telling us that the term ‘Jihad’ though today it is associated with picking up a gun and trying to kill somebody, this is not the original meaning of the term.

Now Jihad has a variety of different levels, it may require, you know, that one picks up a gun, to defend one’s life, to defend one’s community where one comes under attack, this is there too. But it starts at the most basic level, in the heart.

On another occasion the Prophet (saw) had said that, “The greater Jihad is the Jihad of the heart, where one struggles against the evil tendencies within the heart. Because God has created us with an awareness of both good and evil, each human being is born with that. And religion is supposed to help the good side, support the good side, help the person to make the right choices.

But still it is the individual who has to make those choices, so when that individual struggles against his or her tendencies, they’re involved in Jihad at the most basic level. And if one cannot engage in that level of Jihad then no, of the other levels, none of the other levels are true Jihad. Because we do this for the sake of God, believing that this is what is pleasing to God, this is what God wants from us, that we be good people, we promote goodness, we live goodness. So on the basic level which is required of us if we cannot do that, then even on the highest levels where we’re fighting, offering our lives up, supposedly to defend the faith, or the believers, or the country of the believers, or whatever level it is, it will be missing that most vital component. And the Prophet (saw) had said that such a person who fights there without that vital component, in fact will not earn the reward, will not be a true martyr, will in fact end up, a loser in the next life. So, Jihad is the struggle against evil on all levels.

Kolanist:
U are attacking christianity but are ignorant or ignore the flaws&wickedness of islam.If u are a muslim explain jihad in the context of this verses. QURAN 2:216-218, QURAN 9:122-123, QURAN 47:4, QURAN 2:190-193 browse this site to know more~ http://www.chick.com/m/reading/tracts/readtract.asp?stk=1058

Brother,I strongly think the wickedness of Islam you used in your question is NOT THE BEST WORD ,No one knows tomorrow. I hope my my explanation will reduce your misunderstanding about Islam .

Oricha62:



Brother,I strongly think the wickedness of Islam you used in your question is NOT THE BEST WORD ,No one knows tomorrow. I hope my my explanation will reduce your misunderstanding about Islam .

Maybe u didnt read the scripture i quoted if not QURAN 9:123~ "O YOU WHO BELIEVE! FIGHT THOSE OF THE DISBELIEVERS WHO ARE CLOSE TO YOU AND LET THEM FIND HARSHNESS IN YOU AND KNOW THAT ALLAH IS WITH THOSE WHO ARE AL-MUTTAQUN"

Oricha62:


Further explanation regarding your question


Jihad, Arabic word, means to struggle, to strive, to do something good, to overcome something evil. The Prophet (saw) said,

“The best Jihad is a perfect Hajj, A perfect pilgrimage”.

Because in going to make pilgrimage, you have to control yourself. People will step on your toes, maybe you’ll lose some of your, provisions. You know you will find difficulty, and people crush together - three million people in one location - you can imagine there will be peoples' tempers, all these things will be there and you’ll be driven to want to argue, to shout or to get upset but you’re told to be calm, to be patient.

The perfect Hajj in which one is able to get through that - those eight days - without flying off the handle, you know arguing with people next to you, shouting at somebody else, but patiently bearing whatever difficulties you find.

So, the Prophet (saw ) says, this was the best Jihad. Hajj was the best Jihad.

This is telling us that the term ‘Jihad’ though today it is associated with picking up a gun and trying to kill somebody, this is not the original meaning of the term.

Now Jihad has a variety of different levels, it may require, you know, that one picks up a gun, to defend one’s life, to defend one’s community where one comes under attack, this is there too. But it starts at the most basic level, in the heart.

On another occasion the Prophet (saw) had said that, “The greater Jihad is the Jihad of the heart, where one struggles against the evil tendencies within the heart. Because God has created us with an awareness of both good and evil, each human being is born with that. And religion is supposed to help the good side, support the good side, help the person to make the right choices.

But still it is the individual who has to make those choices, so when that individual struggles against his or her tendencies, they’re involved in Jihad at the most basic level. And if one cannot engage in that level of Jihad then no, of the other levels, none of the other levels are true Jihad. Because we do this for the sake of God, believing that this is what is pleasing to God, this is what God wants from us, that we be good people, we promote goodness, we live goodness. So on the basic level which is required of us if we cannot do that, then even on the highest levels where we’re fighting, offering our lives up, supposedly to defend the faith, or the believers, or the country of the believers, or whatever level it is, it will be missing that most vital component. And the Prophet (saw) had said that such a person who fights there without that vital component, in fact will not earn the reward, will not be a true martyr, will in fact end up, a loser in the next life. So, Jihad is the struggle against evil on all levels.

Maybe u didnt read the scriptures i quoted if not QURAN 9:123~ "O YOU WHO BELIEVE! FIGHT THOSE OF THE DISBELIEVERS WHO ARE CLOSE TO YOU AND LET THEM FIND HARSHNESS IN YOU AND KNOW THAT ALLAH IS WITH THOSE WHO ARE AL-MUTTAQUN"