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vaxx:
''The brain itself has blank-slate-like properties (5). This phenomenon was studied most extensively for cortical cells that initially do not know what they are supposed to do but develop a rapport with neighboring cells, responding most strongly to those that stimulate them the most. This means that if a person were to lose a finger, the parts of the cortex that had represented that finger will likely start responding to input from another finger'' by David eagle an authority on biological science

i will adviceyou to read on from here.....

5 Kalisman, N., Silberberg, G., and Markram, H. (2005). The neocortical microcircuit as a tabula rasa. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 102, 880-885.

For every scientist trying to prove Tabula Rasa (that is what it's called) I can point to another with compelling evidence for Innate predispositions.

So citing an authority won't go far. In fact it wouldn't go far any way because I would rather you laid out the arguments that impressed you so much here, by yourself, rather than running off to go and buy a book.

And also the part that you are quoting there seems to be talking about an embryo not a baby Foetus.


Other traits that we are born with are the ability to use Language. This has been demonstrated by Steven Pinker, 'an authority on biological science'.

I repeat that there is an innate predisposition for human being to rate their experiences on a value scale. And every creature seeks to increase value, ie. to climb up the ladder of value.

p.s I'm sorry i quote you numerous times. It's because I want separate each point you make and deal with it in a separate post.

vaxx:
thank you sir.....i will only give you one example out of numerous example. in the old testament... the bases of morality falls on 10 commandment but in the new testament it was change and Jesus declare that love supersed law . even in the bible morality experience evolution

I think You are mistaken what I'm saying. Having a sense of Morality is what we are born with. Where we position different events on this ladder of morality can be learned. But the fact remains that we are born with preferable actions and events and less preferable ones.

The same with Language. Steven Pinker demonstrated that we are born with an instinct for Language yet it is where we are born and raised that will determine which actual language we'll speak.

PastorAIO:
I think You are mistaken what I'm saying. Having a sense of Morality is what we are born with. Where we position different events on this ladder of morality can be learned. But the fact remains that we are born with preferable actions and events and less preferable ones.

The same with Language. Steven Pinker demonstrated that we are born with an instinct for Language yet it is where we are born and raised that will determine which actual language we'll speak.

Was he quoting you? And what kind of ironic name is pastor

Besides can you explain the reason for the instinct of morality

danvon:
Jesus said love superseded he didn't say throw away the ten commandments they asked which one is the greatest

that is evolution, evolution does not consider the first theory useless, it only abrogate it.....

danvon:
Was he quoting you? And what kind of ironic name is pastor

Besides can you explain the reason for the instinct of morality

Opps, I pushed the wrong button.

Can you explain the reason for the survival instinct?

The answer to your question lies therein.

vaxx:
that is what in evolution, evolution does not consider the first theory useless, it only abrogate it.....

Your point being that Christianity is the only Religion evolving for our survival and I thought this was about atheist what does Religion have to do with evolution
What are you exactly?

PastorAIO:
For every scientist trying to prove Tabula Rasa (that is what it's called) I can point to another with compelling evidence for Innate predispositions.

So citing an authority won't go far. In fact it wouldn't go far any way because I would rather you laid out the arguments that impressed you so much here, by yourself, rather than running off to go and buy a book.

And also the part that you are quoting there seems to be talking about an embryo not a baby Foetus.


Other traits that we are born with are the ability to use Language. This has been demonstrated by Steven Pinker, 'an authority on biological science'.

I repeat that there is an innate predisposition for human being to rate their experiences on a value scale. And every creature seeks to increase value, ie. to climb up the ladder of value.

p.s I'm sorry i quote you numerous times. It's because I want separate each point you make and deal with it in a separate post.

I am done arguing these......maybe another topic

vaxx:
that is evolution, evolution does not consider the first theory useless, it only abrogate it.....

But while I'm here and it seems that you accept the bible's authority on the matter then What the bible actually says is that we ingested the Morality instinct when we ate of the Fruit of Good and Evil.

That was when we started judging thing as good or bad. Adam and Eve immediately judged their own unclothedness. etc

According the bible this ingestion conferred upon us congenital knowledge of Morality.

Morality did not start with 10 commandments.

danvon:
Your point being that Christianity is the only Religion evolving for our survival and I thought this was about atheist what does Religion have to do with evolution
What are you exactly?

i never said so.... i only posit that morality evolved as the means for survival increases and this is how it cut across every race....i am a traditionalist

PastorAIO:
But while I'm here and it seems that you accept the bible's authority on the matter then What the bible actually says is that we ingested the Morality instinct when we ate of the Fruit of Good and Evil.

That was when we started judging thing as good or bad. Adam and Eve immediately judged their own unclothedness. etc

According the bible this ingestion conferred upon us congenital knowledge of Morality.

Morality did not start with 10 commandments.

i am only citing an example.. i am not a Christian... what i am positing is there is good record of morality evolution in the bible.....bible is not my authority and it will never be one

PastorAIO:
Cha! so much straw!!

I didn't say anything about inherited traits like extroversion. I was talking about morality which I defined as a scale of preferences.

Being a Doctor is a totally different kind of knowledge from being a moral person. This your Doctor example na real wa!

"all a baby can do its 'cry, grasp and suck". The baby also smiles when it is delighted. It sleeps when it is soothed with music, it blinks when lights are too bright and many many other things. These are reactions to it's environment that are instinctual, nobody teaches you to blink at bright lights, or sneeze with your nose is irritated.

There are all actions done with the intention to improve the state of affairs. So bright lights are lower in the preference scale so the baby blinks to keep out the light. This improves things.
An itchy nose is unpleasant, low down in the value scale. Sneezing raises the state of affairs to a situation higher up the value scale.

Do you get that? A baby values a full stomach higher than an empty stomach. It values the presence of it's mother over the absence of his mother. etc. Distinctions are made between every experience by sticking them somewhere on the value scale.

your own quote ''Distinctions are made between every experience by sticking them somewhere on the value scale'' you yourself just agree with me.... thanks you....everybody reading this can see.... EXPERIENCE. no need to reply the rest case close

vaxx:
your own quote ''Distinctions are made between every experience by sticking them somewhere on the value scale'' you yourself just agree with me.... thanks you....everybody ready this can see.... EXPERIENCE. no need to reply the rest case close

Wow! I haven't seen this move on nairaland in a long time. The good ol Declare victory and run away. Even Olaadegbu doesn't do it anymore.


The sense of morality precedes experiences. then when the experiences are encountered they are evaluated according to that pre existing moral scale.


The position on the Value scale of an experience goes up and down with Time. Like Slavery was once higher up on our value scales, but today we rate it as a very low moral value.


I don't think this is such tough concept to grasp.

vaxx:
i am only citing an example.. i am not a Christian... what i am positing is there is good record of morality evolution in the bible.....bible is not my authority and it will never be one

ok, but that's a shame because there is much that can be gleaned from the story of the Fall that will throw a lot of light on man's existential condition.

hopefulLandlord:
Everyone already decides for themselves what is right and wrong, based on a combination of principle, compassion, and social influences. Some of us aren't delusional enough to think our morals have been handed down by some omniscient figure.

Plus the rapist, the higher killers, terrorists and all those you might want to refer to as EVIL PEOPLE each all decides. Fair enough.

mukhcech:
Plus the rapist, the suicide killers and all those you might want to refer to as EVIL PEOPLE each all decides. Fair enough.

You've got a point. The suicide killers, like you, believe that they have their mandate 'handed down by some omniscient figure'.

PastorAIO:
You've got a point. The suicide killers, like you, believe that they have their mandate 'handed down by some omniscient figure'.

What a rapist