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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 8:26pm On Feb 05, 2018*

MuttleyLaff:
It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you;
you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
- Matthew 15:11
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Kai! I disagree with your above statement. How can you commit sin in the process of trying to win people for Christ. If we do that, then there's no difference between us and Muslims because that's what they actually do for...

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 8:32pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
Kai! I disagree with your above statement.
How can you commit sin in the process of trying to win people for Christ.
If we do that, then there's no difference between us and Muslims because that's what they actually do.

Who is going on to commit sin?
You know what the concept of sin from a Hebrew perspective is, dont you?

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 8:35pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Who is going on to commit sin?
You know what the concept of sin from a Hebrew perspective is, dont you?

Hmmmmm...I hope you're not another MrPresident1 ?

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by twosquare(m): 8:43pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus wouldnt have a problem stepping into Big Brother Naija

Whatever is of the world is the world. That which is of Christ is Christ. No one can change the nature of the serpent by participating in its hunting game. Like my signature, the world has grown more wicked than trying to participate in its things. Jesus gave a commandment through John in 1 John 2:15.

When the world see the light of a disciple, those who like it will come (Isaiah 60:3). You can't change the world by participating... Excuse me, what do you want to go and say there? Jesus died for you, so bbn isn't right? Enoch didn't turn the sons of men by participating in their things. He first witnessed with his life, then men knew this guy pleased God. If you want to shut down the show, you don't need to go there. First live out Righteousness, show men the revelation of Jesus Christ with your walk, and people won't have time for mundane things. In 1930s, many left their homes, farms, etc to Ilesha just to witness the move of the Spirit.

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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by twosquare(m): 8:45pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
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It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you;
you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
- Matthew 15:11

And who is talking of what you eat physically.... It only shows you need to learn when people speak with spiritual language.

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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 8:51pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
Hmmmmm...I hope you're not another MrPresident1?

There is only one MrPresident1
MrPresident1, the scourge of stiffnecks and scoffers

Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it?
If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others,
if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 9:01pm On Feb 05, 2018

twosquare:
And who is talking of what you eat physically....

Wow, was that a real or a bit of a fluke epiphany thing going on there for you

You're not just starting to learn,
but you're learning pretty fast
I dont mean that to be patronising, in any way, shape or form. It's just an observation

twosquare:
It only shows you need to learn when people speak with spiritual language

Face-palm. SMH
You need to unlearn shooting bible verse(s) from the hips

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 9:01pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
There is only one MrPresident.1
MrPresident.1, the scourge of stiffnecks and scoffers

I laugh in 3D. You mean that guy is a scourge to stiffnecks or a scourge to the souls of people? The person who said Christ was going to come before 20th January 2017 and several other times? The one who says there's nothing like premarital sex? Etc....

Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it? If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others, if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?

I can't. It's like asking a Christian if he wouldn't mind going to wild night parties and behave very well for other people to take a notice of him. Let me laugh à little grin

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 9:12pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
I laugh in 3D.
You mean that guy is a scourge to stiffnecks or a scourge to the souls of people?
The person who said Christ was going to come before 20th January 2017 and several other times?
The one who says there's nothing like premarital sex? Etc....

He has his moments

Daviddson:
I can't.
It's like asking a Christian if he wouldn't mind going to wild night parties
and behave very well for other people to take a notice of him.
Let me laugh à little

SMH
Let's just thank God, it isnt you, who is Jesus

I know you cant, as you'll crumble when not in your comfort zone, where you feel safe and at ease

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 9:15pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
He has his moments
SMH
Let's just thank God, it isnt you, who is Jesus
I know you cant, as you'll crumble when not in your comfort zone, where you feel safe and at ease

Please what do you mean by "has his moments"?
Nobody is claiming perfection here but we don't have to sugar-coat sin by calling it by some other name.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 9:29pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
Please what do you mean by "has his moments"?

I rightly so, said that, he is a scourge to stiffnecks & scoffers.
How do you mean he is a scourge to the souls of people?

Daviddson:
Nobody is claiming perfection here
but we don't have to sugar-coat sin by calling it by some other name.

No place for believers is a no-go zone or no-go area

We follow the souls, where perishing souls are, that's where we go, that's where we be at

You can be in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, without compromising
You can be in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, and showcase to the world, the lifestyle and values of a believer, from it
You can be in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, and in the midst of darkness therein, be the light

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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 9:42pm On Feb 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
I rightly so, said that, he is a scourge to stiffnecks & scoffers.
How do you mean he is a scourge to the souls of people?

So sad. How can you say someone who's busy dishing out heresies like cakes is a scourge to scoffers? No-one is scoffing at him; he's the one busy throwing insults at people. I have yet to see any of his posts or threads where he told people to forsake their sin. None. Because according there's nothing like even sinning, maybe.

No place for believers is a no-go zone or no-go area
We follow the souls, where perishing souls are, that's where we go, that's where we be at. You can be in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, without compromising

That's not possible man. That show is already cut out for sexual orgies. There's nothing you can do to change it by being there! It's not in all cases where you can go to where the sinners in order to save them. You might likely fall away in the process. I'll get you a scripture or two to back this up.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by paxonel(m): 10:23pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
Jesus made that statement as a shadow of things to come. No singular scripture stand in isolation. You can find at least one or more scriptures to corroborate it. Peter also made mention of that term and that was after Jesus Christ had died and resurrected:
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again , not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

No singular scripture stand in isolation, that's very true. That means there is need to compare and contrast scriptural phrases that are similar to find out whether they mean the same thing.
The usage of the phrase BORN AGAIN by Jesus to Nicodemus in John 3:3 do not have the same meaning with the same phrase BORN AGAIN used in 1 Peter 1:23. I will tell you why.

1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This refers to christians(everyone who believe in Christ at the time after his resurrection) that they are incorruptible(meaning they will not see death but will be resurrected just as Christ was resurrected.
Now, if this what born again means then everyone in christianity are qualified to be called born again irrespective of their sin status.

However, if the phrase BORN AGAIN strictly refers to what Jesus was trying to explain to Nicodemus what he meant by born again, then no one in christianity should be degraded that low to be called born again.

Because when you look at what Jesus meant by born again, he referred to people before he was crucified, these people never had salvation but they were just following him. Many of them ran away when it was time for Jesus to be crucified.

John 3:7 marvel not that i say you should be born again( meaning, let me explain what i mean by born again)

Verse 8 is a parable
8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou(Nicodemus) hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

This is what the parable means :

The wind there refers to Jesus disciples following him at that time. Nicodemus heard about and saw people following Jesus but he could not tell where they were coming from and where they are going to(Even though they were following Jesus to Jerusalem where he was to be crucified).
Then he added, so is everyone that is born again (meaning Jesus followers or disciples as at the time before his resurrection were the born again).

Now take note of the difference

1. Born again in 1 Peter 1:23 refers to people who believe in Christ who were already saved after Jesus had been resurrected. Today christians are included here

2. Born again in John 3:3 refers to people who initially believe, but later disbelieve and were never saved because many of them ran away before Jesus was crucified.

I for one, as a Christian i don't classify myself into the second category but the first one, I'm not a perfect human either, i still consciously commit sin, Therefore born again do not exist in christianity in the real sense.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 10:28pm On Feb 05, 2018

Daviddson:
So sad. How can you say someone who's busy dishing out heresies like cakes is a scourge to scoffers? No-one is scoffing at him; he's the one busy throwing insults at people.
I have yet to see any of his posts or threads where he told people to forsake their sin. None.
Because according there's nothing like even sinning, maybe

As I said, he has his moments

Daviddson:
That's not possible man.
That show is already cut out for sexual orgies.

You of little faith, why are you so unsure of yourself?

Daviddson:
There's nothing you can do to change it by being there!

I will repeat below, the question you skipped answering
Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it?
If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others,
if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?

Daviddson:
It's not in all cases where you can go to where the sinners in order to save them.
You might likely fall away in the process

Why dont you speak for yourself

Daviddson:
I'll get you a scripture or two to back this up.

I can give you a scripture and more on being courageous, daring and willingness to take risks

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MrPresident1: 10:48pm On Feb 05, 2018*

Daviddson:
I laugh in 3D. You mean that guy is a scourge to stiffnecks or a scourge to the souls of people? The person who said Christ was going to come before 20th January 2017 and several other times? The one who says there's nothing like premarital sex? Etc....

Most of thethings I say on NL are not for children, they are tough meat for adults, even the adult who's mental teeth are not strong enough that attempts to dare my threads will have his brain cells wrung out.

I have explained January 20th 2017 like a billion times, it is not my fault you deliberately refuse to understand?

There is no such thing as pre-marital sex, where is it named in the Bible? Show me! All sex is marriage, if you smash anybody you are automatically married to that person. This meat is not for the whole world, it is for only a select few, if you cannot handle it, just keep it moving.

If you do not understand anything ask questions, but if you lie against me, make sure I do not get to know, or else I will tear you to pieces.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 5:04pm On Feb 06, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
As I said, he has his moments
You of little faith, why are you so unsure of yourself?
I will repeat below, the question you skipped answering
Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it?
If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others,
if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?
Why dont you speak for yourself
I can give you a scripture and more on being courageous, daring and willingness to take risks

No, I won't. Because I'm not Jesus Christ who cannot be won over by the power of sin. You cannot 'save' everybody on earth. Millions of people have already died and their fate have been sealed. So, are you trying to be wiser than God? When Jesus Christ fraternized with sinners, He didn't join them in the act in order to win them.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 5:40pm On Feb 06, 2018

Daviddson:
No, I won't.

I like how you admit you won't, as you know your limits

Daviddson:
Because I'm not Jesus Christ who cannot be won over by the power of sin.

Just be honest with yourself, it is because you haven't the foggiest idea how to master sin if you get on it

Daviddson:
You cannot 'save' everybody on earth. Millions of people have already died and their fate have been sealed

Straw man.
Just as I secretly knew, that, it's only a matter of time before you pull a straw man.

Daviddson:
So, are you trying to be wiser than God?

What an unimpressive and lame question.

Daviddson:
When Jesus Christ fraternized with sinners, He didn't join them in the act in order to win them.

What act(s) exactly do you want to join with them, in order to win them over?

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by butterflyl1on: 6:10pm On Feb 06, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
There is only one MrPresident1
MrPresident1, the scourge of stiffnecks and scoffers

Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it?
If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others,
if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 6:15pm On Feb 06, 2018

butterflyl1on:
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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Daviddson(m): 7:46pm On Feb 06, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
I like how you admit you won't, as you know your limits

Just be honest with yourself, it is because you haven't the foggiest idea how to master sin if you get on it

Straw man.
Just as I secretly knew, that, it's only a matter of time before you pull a straw man.

What an unimpressive and lame question.

What act(s) exactly do you want to join with them, in order to win them over?

This is going to be an endless cycle of back and forth arguments. I'm done please.

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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 7:52pm On Feb 06, 2018

Daviddson:
This is going to be an endless cycle of back and forth arguments. I'm done please.

Good.
It's sensible and wise throwing in the sponge
as you were punching above your weight anyway

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by johnw74: 2:01am On Feb 07, 2018

MrPresident1:
attempts to dare my threads will have his brain cells wrung out.

keep it moving

if you lie against me, make sure I do not get to know, or else I will tear you to pieces.

Pro_14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by Jozzy4: 7:53am On Feb 07, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
As I said, he has his moments

You of little faith, why are you so unsure of yourself?

I will repeat below, the question you skipped answering
Now, tell me brother, please.
If the soul remaining last to preach the gospel to, is in the Big Brother House or on Big Brother Naija, are you saying you wont go on it?
If your presence, on Big Brother Naija will mark a positive effect or influence on others,
if the manner in which you behave, especially in a particular situation or time on Big Brother Naija, will postively impact others
are you saying, you wouldnt do it?

Why dont you speak for yourself

I can give you a scripture and more on being courageous, daring and willingness to take risks

Morning Bro

You don't have to castigate him ( Daviddson ) for seeing danger to his faith and taking action . Proverb 22:3 says the wise sees the danger and FLEE .

Apostle Paul counsel as well: 1 Cor 10:12

Therefore, whoever thinks he is standing securely should watch out so he doesn't fall. .

As for the topic, Based on 1 Corinthians 15:33 which says Bad association corrupt good habits , It would be wise for a person not to even go into such shows . Even If he has good intentions, the people around and his fans might lure him into compromising .
well, so far we haven't anything faith strengthening about the show except glorifying different kind of immoral actions , being in the midst of such association can corrupt a persons faith.

For example: Going into a brothel in the name of preaching can spell doom for the preacher himself , as the sight of the various atrocities been committed plus indecent dressing can further corrupt his own mind - that is where Gal 6:1 comes in, as you try to help people, be careful you are not tempted to sin .

Good morning Brother.

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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Participate In BBN? by MuttleyLaff: 2:14am On Feb 08, 2018*

Jozzy4:
Morning Bro

Hi Bro, longest time.
Why, why now, why your brakelights and/or headlights come scarce nau

Jozzy4:
You don't have to castigate him (Daviddson) for seeing danger to his faith and taking action

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I dont see any danger

I respect his view and position, I was only letting on that the faith should be bigger than the fear.
The exception to that, will be, only if someone's feeding the fear
Money, food, and sex are overrated
They each and all have enslaved so many minds, that's reason for the fear of the Daviddsons of this world going on the show

Life, they say, is 10 percent what you make it and 90 percent how you react to it

Jozzy4:
Proverb 22:3 says the wise sees the danger and FLEE .

Apostle Paul counsel as well: 1 Cor 10:12

Therefore, whoever thinks he is standing securely should watch out so he doesn't fall.

But He said to me,
"My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness."
Therefore, I will most gladly boast all the more about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may reside in me.
- 2 Corinthians 12:9

If Jesus was tempted, tested and came out on top
If Jesus mingled with at least one known prostitute,
ate and lounged with tax collectors and sinners, whats stopping anyone coming unscathed like Him

Better be on firm ground. Stand on the Word, and like Peter defy natural law(s)
Focus your eyes on the Word, and you'll be secure.
Dont, not even for a sec, shift the gaze off the Word, to glance or look at the fear, lest you fall

Jozzy4:
As for the topic, Based on 1 Corinthians 15:33 which says Bad association corrupt good habits,
It would be wise for a person not to even go into such shows.
Even If he has good intentions, the people around and his fans might lure him into compromising.
well, so far we haven't anything faith strengthening about the show except glorifying different kind of immoral actions,
being in the midst of such association can corrupt a persons faith.

For example: Going into a brothel in the name of preaching can spell doom for the preacher himself,
as the sight of the various atrocities been committed plus indecent dressing can further corrupt his own mind - that is where Gal 6:1 comes in,
as you try to help people, be careful you are not tempted to sin

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If your comfort zone doesnt challenge you, then it doesnt change you
I guess being a candle is not easy after all, because, in order to give light, one must first burn

Jozzy4:
Good morning Brother.

Good morning to you too Brother
Dont be a stranger, no dey make ur face scarce for here anymore ooo

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