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Mickael2:
all time?

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komekn:
FABULOUS teenager getting a start in goal is very hard to come by. He must have clear cut outstanding ability, this is La Liga. Not just potential but ability, Seedorf is a quality astute manager and player. And if he puts him in goal then this kid is quality.

Most of our senior goalkeepers if not all are currently far from that level.

DrKlever:
. Leicester coach is actually clueless. There is no hype here, the young man is still proving himself. Strangely he's playing a 3-5-2 formation. he should have used Iheanacho over both Vardy and Diabetes in this formation. He needs to watch Arg vs Nig to see the tool he got on him. let's hope this crowded midfield doesn't backfire.

forgiveness:
Mr sabi sabi. I don't need to waste my time yesterday on you. I just needed to rest and today was also busy for me hence the late reply.

Even this night, I was about doing something elsbefore I saw my mention.

However, can you please tell me your definition of 'successful players' before I answer your question. Because I want to be direct in my response. Thanks


Oga, I have followed the progress of Nigerian born players all over Europe for decade and this was what led me to know about David Amoo, Raheem Sterling, Jordan Ibe and Sheyi Ojo at Liverpool. This is the reason I can state emphatically that Sheyi Ojo has progressed positively.


How many games has he played for Liverpool? 8 premier-league games in half season because he was ruled out for 1 full season. GBAM!

Now, what happened within these three seasons?

The first season, he was making the bench at 17 and he was already part of the first team before he was loaned out in the middle of the season. GBAM

Oga, Sheyi Ojo already already broke into Liverpool's first team at 17. GBAM.

Due to the fact that he was above the academy at 17 and he wasn't going to get game time with the first team due to obvious reasons, Liverpool decided to send him on loan at the middle of the season to championship.

How many 17 years old be starter for Championship?

Yes! He made his debut at 17 in first professional career in the Championship. GBAM!

The second season,, there was a new coach who doesn't know Joseph hence the need to loan him out to the
Championship again. The same new coach saw a liverpool-fc player doing wonders in the Championship and decided to recall him from loan. GBAM

Sheyi Ojo made his debut for Liverpool at 18. GBAM

11 matches with 4 assists and a goal was enough to earn him a preseason the next season but injury ruled him out for months. GBAM

Let us use our brain to think for once.

I repeat, he was injured for months. In short, he was not fit after he came back though he was drafted back to the first time before he was sent to Under 23 to gain fitness but unfortunately for him Liverpool don go buy players because they are fighting for EPL crown. GBAM.

Who are the better players better than him in SE? ..

Bhuuuhahaha! Look at this one telling me what is the big deal about winning U20 team World cup. He has forgotten he bragged about how Iheanacho worked his way to the top through U17.

Did Iheanacho also performed in the U20? Has Nigeria ever won U20? If it's not a big deal, we for dey win am every 2 - 2 years. Bhuuuhahaha!

If you are blind to see the article that clearly showed EPL wanted to buy him then sorry, I can't help you.

At least, you have been proven wrong that no EPL team came for him. That's the koko. Bhuuuhahaha!

So, that 'according to you' doesn't make sense.

Many UK players are overated according to you but many Nigerian players can't enter the top 20 of the few players UK ever produced. Fact. GBAM.

Who is even our best now?

Can he be listed in the top 10 players produced by UK?

Open your eyes. Mr man. The world doesn't end in your backyard.

komekn:
Actually he is not.

In reality you are because you do not look at the team dynamics and converge that to the team strategy and the managers approach.

But being an emotive fan, you cry Wolf.

I made this observation as soon as Diabate arrived and made it clear that KC direct competition was not Vardy or Okazaki but the Diabate. I was labelled a hater bad belle and unpatriotic.

Humility017:
you're talking as if...I am stopping you and others from watching it...

I have no right over your televisions or what you intend do wit your spare time...you've no right to chide me over my opinion.

my response was directed at someone else comment.

komekn:
FABULOUS teenager getting a start in goal is very hard to come by. He must have clear cut outstanding ability, this is La Liga. Not just potential but ability, Seedorf is a quality astute manager and player. And if he puts him in goal then this kid is quality.

Most of our senior goalkeepers if not all are currently far from that level.

jihday:
@ tbaba1234 egbon where have John ogu and his team mate been (can't remember his name jare)? we've not been hearing about them, or is the Israeli league on break?

Mickael2:
you see me as I no dey talk am again bah?

But where I have an issue is when people start tagging you an automatic hater in any debate you enter. If na Nacho debate we dey, tag me a hater and I will tag you a fanboy and laugh about it and move on, but just because I said a tackle like Onazi's own may not always be a red card offence I am now tagged a SE hater. Normally I wouldn't expect anything less from theGoodJoe but even Icon4s is part of the crusade now. I do not mince words one bit, so Icon4s, you really really disappointed me there. I was arguing entirely on the instance and somehow you brought in the fact that it was Onazi and that was the only reason why I was talking which was purely false, even BascoVanVielli who always argues for Onazi got the point and I want to believe that tbaba1234 got the idea too because he alligned his points with the instance and not the player.

kellycute:
nacho is the most intelligent super eagles striker of all time!, with an incredible left foot from above!. That lad Gonna light up russia.

MetalJigsaw:
And humping in four goals with a red card against an equally domestic side is not a disgrace?...

You just vindicated my point

Mickael2:
all time?
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Icon4s:
The intensity with which you defended that Ref's decision left me wondering if you are a Nigerian.

On Onazi's person, I remember, I don't know if you recall, that the first argument I had with you was on him.

Remember that "Chemistry between him and Mikel talk"? Yeah.

When a negative comment about a player keeps reoccurring over and over. And when he has a good game you don't even show up on the thread to acknowledge then you are giving room for peeps to think you have something against the player.

I used to defend you when people tag you as an enemy of Nigerian football or a hater of certain players but that yesterday you made feel I was wrong. So don't blame me for it.

tbaba1234:
African champions league and confederations cup..

Will Nigeria go out in the first or second round as usual?

Or

Can a club side at least reach the group phases?

Kog45:
Sir am indeed sorry if you see my comment as chiding but we need to encourage our leagues.

tbaba1234:
Mickael2 just criticises. I have never seen him take a non-critical position on any issue.

After criticizing Rohr before the Algerian and Argentinian games and predicting losses in both games. My guy did not even give credit to whom it is due after we managed not to lose both games.

Mickael2:
I think it should be a walkover. And a paddy who watched the game said they were 11 but didn't have a bench but not 10, you shouldn't be able to start a game with 10 players and that was why Etim Esin(?) once played a match without being invited

komekn:
Actually he is not.

In reality you are because you do not look at the team dynamics and converge that to the team strategy and the managers approach.

But being an emotive fan, you cry Wolf.

I made this observation as soon as Diabate arrived and made it clear that KC direct competition was not Vardy or Okazaki but the Diabate. I was labelled a hater bad belle and unpatriotic.

Icon4s:
I think you are right. You cannot start a game except if you have 11 players.

I recall a friendly between Ghana and Zambia some time ago. Zambia had only 9 players. They had to search for Zambians anywhere in London. They were able to secure 3 Zambian students. 2 of them started the game while 1 was on the bench.

Zambia lost that game 4:0.

So I think you must start the game with 11 players else its a walk-over.

Danycrusoe:
Oga easy o. I believe the European teams u support pay u salary abi. or them never have a bad period abi it has all been glory glory glory. if u can't support our teams pleas no call them names

Humility017:
no problem sir...so sorry for the way I replied...especially wit my use of words...I was very angry then...

it is because of reason to support our own that's why we are here.... boldly anywhere whenever people ask me which team fan am I...I first tell them I am a super eagles fan prior telling them I am a Chelsea fan too.

I remember in one of the week during the CHAN tourney I sacrificed one of chelsea's match just to watch the chan team play...

when the npfl started in 2003 under the leadership of chief obaseki the league was in gradual progression....to the extent that globacom and mtn started battling for the sponsorship right....

I remember how I sit glued to the NTA sport news wit Paul ogazi to watch the npfl highlights...then insurance of Benin and enyimba of aba were my club....complete sports and today sports I never missed...
then we had governors who love football...and see the sponsorship of this clubs as no big deal...

the problem have suffered recently and the gradual decline is poor management problem....just yesterday I read the NBC will be sponsoring the super eagles to the tune of 2.5B naira...this you will agree wit me..became a reality because of the recent success and organization of the super eagles team....same fate could befall the npfl clubs should the league become more organised...even wit little pay...the league can become attractive..

andrew444:
Mr Clueless it had to take you about 24 hours to reply back,just because you are looking for what to say,i will not repeat my self on one same issues.

Back to my question,how many england born players who are nigerians are successful?Nobody thats why you cant answer that.

The seyi ojo you are ranting about maybe because you are a clueless liverpool fan,how many games has he played for liverpool? 8 premier league games in 3 season,you cant answer that because you know nothing okay.

According to you seyi ojo was so good at 15 but he is still being loaned out now,why cant he follow the footstep of raheem sterling who also started at a tender age? Lol

READ MY LIPS.... Seyi ojo cannot make super eagles team because there are better players than him okay.

According to you at 18 he was a starter in the championship,what is the big deal about that? at 18 many players of his age are starters in the premier league?

At 18 Theo Walcott is a starter at arsenal, at 18 raheem sterling is a started at Liverpool? so what the hell are you saying,even rashford break into man united first team at 18,Do you want me to mention more names?


The U20 world cup england won,seyi ojo was not even a starter,he started 1 match or so and the rest he was a super sub,whats the big deal about winning a junior world cup? Nigeria normally win u17 world cup and ghana has also won u20 world cup.

So many EPL team wanted to buy him according to you but he prefer a championship team? Why,maybe because he will be benched by those team?


I know you are a liverpool fan and you will say anything to make that look good

Iheanacho will not play in the championship,Leichester cough out 25 Million pounds for him,they can only suggest here in nairaland for iheanacho to play in the championship does not mean he will play there,just as you are suggesting that seyi ojo is a good player does not make him a below average player, Many UK players are overrated ,before you call someone a good player allow that person earn the credit,because your mouth cannot make him a good player.

A Player that cannot even make liverpool bench,No b him mate David Solanke wey dem just buy for chelsea dey make bench? Abeg guy go sleep,na rugby you suppose dey watch.

What injury did seyi ojo has that someone takes his place?Ok i agree he was injured,But when was he a starter at liverpool? Who took his place last season? So he has been playing along side coutinho and co? even Marco Grujic is ahead of him in the pecking order,Oga go sleep you dey clueless,if you quote me again i go quote you till you go tire,i dont talk what i dont know,OVER AND OUT.

Now tell me the Nigerian players that are better than him in the position of left sided midfield or left Wing.

Mickael2:
all time?

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Mujtahida

TheSuperNerd:
Chief Icon4s is right to say what he said. This is a sports thread and reference point on NL on anything "Super Eagles". You don't expect the rest of us to stand aside and watch absurd comments being dripped in the name of opinion.


I have said it before and I will say it again... The problem we have as humans is this nonsensical sugar coated talk of everyone having an opinion. I believe in freedom of speech... But that freedom of speech must he backed with sense and logic. We cannot just allow just anyone to come spill baseless and absurd comments here in the name of having opinion.

We are a house of analysts here and we must be holistic about it devoid of subtle bias. I know that anyone who finds something wrong with Chief Icon4s' comment certainly has a hidden bias against Nacho too and is only subtly being diplomatic about it and also enjoy when some others come out to make absurd comments on Nacho not being good enough or Macho being useless and all..... Back up your statement with facts. You saw how even in the face of facts people on this thread still maintained that Nacho is useless... All they have is their absurd beliefs which are nonsensical and cannot be reckoned with. No facts, no stats to back it up... It is all bollocks and we dont welcome bollocks in here. That is why we will shoot down any adsurd comment uttered without facts or figures... It is that simple.


And nobody called anybody names here or did that happen? Why do you lots love to bring up stuffs that never happened. Always taking the predictable route of "don't call someone names". Abi did any of the fellas who took down Liedetector's lies call him names? Or you just adding that line for cheap likes?

Look... I believe in saying things as they are. No need to bring in extraneous stuffs. Liedetector dropped his comment on this sports thread and if he thinks his " opinion" was going to go unchallenged then he is living in a dreamworld...

Uhmmmm... Liedectector... Welcome to the one thread where you cannot just spill stuffs without backing it up. If you have a problem with Nacho... Then be ready to go thru me also with facts and figures because I have the stats with me to show that your comments were not only absurd but also untruthful. It is not wrong if you can just admit that you just dont fancy a player. If you can do tha, then the better for all of us.... That way we know why you dey talk say Nacho is not good enough.... Lol... And not to be hiding under the umbrella of "I am just stating an opinion" to now make your point valid and protected from being detected for what it truly is..... A hate speech. Nothing personal.

Welcome to the house.....




P.S: A hate speech is defined as a comment dropped to downgrade a player even when all known stats, figures, top rave reviews and opinions in the football world contradict your comment on a player. Finito.

Mickael2:
all time?

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Mickael2:
the coach corrected the glaring errors which I pointed out earlier and the results improved. Nice switch of plans there

tbaba1234:
Mickael2 just criticises. I have never seen him take a non-critical position on any issue.

After criticizing Rohr before the Algerian and Argentinian games and predicting losses in both games. My guy did not even give credit to whom it is due after we managed not to lose both games.

Icon4s:
And u get to Wonder why he is tagged an enemy of Nigerian football.

DrKlever:
Very childish post. what do you stand to gain in hating someone who is busy earning a living from his hobby?

BascoVanVeli:
All analyst keep saying Diabate looks a perfect replacement for Mahrez I don't know where u are getting ur own from. The only player who is really losing out is Gray.