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Kog45:
Apart from Iheanacho and Ighalo i don't see any striker again,Nwakaeme at 29 with a cap and playing in Isreal get as ebi my man and watching him against Algeria not even close to Ighalo or Iheanacho level.

It may sound some how but if Nwakaeme deserves a call again then players like Martins Obafemi,Ogbeche and Ideye deserves a call too to slug it out in camp.

I think I'm with you on this, minus ogbeche scoring in the Dutch league won't sway me. see depay and klassen guys who set the Dutch league on fire struggled with goals in the epl

TheSuperNerd:
All this talk.... loooolll... then I suppose we should also allow Congo4ka and Pussypounder to keep on doing their stuffs without bothering them too... let them feel as free as the wind to dump their very sensual posts okay.... especially the funny Congo4ka aiit.

That is the freedom then. Lol...

The main thrust of my post is that people have crazy, absurd ideas. You cannot legislate on what they should think and what they should say at least we have not set up an authority to do so(Don't you remember the outrage that followed the plan by the government to have a social media bill?) However if one feels their ideas are wrong then they should be corrected with respect and sensitivity. That's what was done to congo4ka and that's what you did to pussypounder.

And in all others... I know I am right in what I say. I have been here long enough to know each and everyone's stand when it comes to that young man called Nacho and by extension to include the Super Eagles. I know how the lines have been drawn for some so I am not wrong in saying that anyone who has a problem with Chief Icon4s' post definitely has a silent bias against Nacho. I am a master at reading between the lines and sensing the thoughts of people over a long period of time via their repeated comments and central ideas contained in those comments. So be rest assured that I know what I am talking about

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Don't be too sure you are right. Cos Kog45 who queried that post by icon cannot be said to be a Nacho hater. I also took exception to the line 'that's how we roll here' even though I understood what he meant. I am no Nacho hater

The truth is that talking and typing is not for everyone

. I guess God was wrong in giving people mouths. And who is the authority to determine who is to talk and write and who is not to talk and write?

If one cannot post something devoid of illogic and suspected bias with no backed up fact on sensitive issues such our Super Eagles players then that person should kindly take the route of silence

. Opinions need not be backed up by facts. A man watches a player and states his opinion yet you say unless the opinion is backed by fact he should take the path of silence? I heartily disagree with this. Again it boils down to who has determined what is logical and what is illogical. I say even if an opinion is illogical, then what should be stated is the logical opinion and not to shut down anybody. Remember Nigeria is said to be a country where everyone is a coach. Na Westerhof talk am abi no be so baba Kog45

Not everyone can be in the arena of analysis. Not everyone can just talk because they feel they have a mouth or rather finger to post words or sentences.

One must first think of what he is about to post before he clicks the submit button.

Remember Nigeria is said to be a country where everyone is a coach. Na Westerhof talk am abi no be so baba Kog45

Don't you see Egbon Forgiveness? He may castigate Nacho but he does it using facts and instances even if he focuses on a part of the whole picture.... so it is up to anyone arguing with him to bring that other part of the picture to light. And guess what, Nacho is not all Forgiveness talks about. He brings in other players for us to consider... I recall when he used to talk of Brian Idowu, Ola Aina, and Even Ebuehi (although I admit that I think Sir Tbaba1234 was the first to mention Ebuehi and a certain Ehizibue)

And has that stopped forgiveness from being the most vilified moniker on this thread? The fact is not whether people state their opinions backed with facts and figures or whether they do not. Cos if I state my factless opinion I would be attacked. If I state my fact backed opinion I would still be attacked. Heads or tail I still lose. The real issue is that people especially the Pro Nacho people do not want others to state contrary opinions whether backed with facts or not. And I feel that ought not to be so. Some adore him. Others don't. Those who adore him do not adore him based on facts and figures. Their hearts simply clicks with the young man.

So you see... Forgiveness in his own way does want the progress of the team... and I see that he also acknowledges Nacho now when he does well even if he can castigate him again tomorrow. Forgiveness described Nacho's skills against Swansea as live and direct in response to another moniker. I took note and said nothing. Look, I take my time to go thru most posts... and I reference them at will because it is good to have a history of what someone stands for along various lines before you address him or her.

This is what informs how I approach everyone here... I know what each person stands for and what opinions each hold on certain matters already trashed here. So no one here can deceive me.

Sir Mujtahida... you just have to accept that in trying to accommodate everyone, you actually cannot accommodate everyone... because there will be the few that will keep pushing to fly the flags of pessimism and negative nonsense here high.
That is part of why I am here... to counter it and keep the equation balanced.

And the negative people will call your positivity nonsense or naivety. Tit for tat. How do you like that? I see the world - I see opposites. I too have endeavoured to counter what I perceive as negativity. But then I find intolerance to one man a threat to my own liberty. If a man cannot accommodate John today because John has a factless opinion what me thinks he will accommodate me tomorrow when my opinions and ideas change and become factless. I do not want to go too deep but I trust that anyone who has read George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm, anyone who has studied totalitarian regimes from Stalin, Ceaușescu, apartheid in South Africa knows how it goes. Remember how Napoleon first chased out Snowball. Later it was the turn of Squealer who was instrumental in chasing Snowball away.

I know what you are trying to do but this is the human world... so it won't work.

I do not know if it would work but I look at nature and draw my lessons from her. There's a wide, almost maddening crazy variety in nature and nature works just fine accommodating all sorts. Grace.

We should just learn to navigate thru it. We all cannot be positive... we all cannot be sane... we all cannot believe in this team. We all cannot truly want to see this Nigerian team succeed in Russia. We all cannot be happy when Nacho does score in Russia to give us the win against an opponent...

This is precisely my point. The ideas and opinions we do not agree with should be countered vigorously but to say such ideas and opinions even those not backed with facts and figures should not be expressed is a no no for me.

I can boldly tell you that there are folks here who will rather pluck their eyes out than see Nacho score tons in Russia. They don't wish it. There are even those here who cannot wait to see Onazi taken out again by another Matuidi and will call it fair... so many instances. But I will stop here.

Even though I find it hard to believe that anyone here wishes the team ill in Russia or generally, I can say that the opinions and positions some have consistently put forward makes such conclusion very logical. Just this week while we were caught up talking about the Jersies komekn went on on his favourite talk. I began to wonder:is this place actually the right place for this man? But then I know it's different strokes. I feel what we should and can do is to counter them. Late last year I went on a myth bursting argument with forgiveness and I can tell you that I myself was quite surprised at what I found in the course of my endeavour. Now imagine if forgiveness didn't have the liberty to state those ideas how could I have learnt something new.

[Nacho is no god. Who says he is? This is yet another funny statement to make especially coming from you Mujtahida. Who calls Nacho a god? Why are you guys doing this? Always bringing up different titles and adulations that no one has dared termed Nacho with. Why should the sentence , "Nacho is no god" even be brought into the picture as if he has worshippers here to grovel at his feet.... loooollll... choice of words... sometimes I wonder

I used the word 'god' as a metaphor to express the inexplicable sensitivity with which some hold him here.

Nacho is no god but he is a special player for Nigeria and Nigeria's highest goal scorer and most lethal in the GWG for the past 2 calendar years. His Super Eagles scoring ratio right now is the best or one of the best for any GWG striker in our history but it is still early days because he has played less than 20 matches... The lad has shown himself to be a multiple attacking weapon for us from set pieces, from outside the box, from inside the box and more... he is special... Rohr knows this. Colin udoh knows this... Pinnick knows this. So many major stakeholders in our football know this so why is it only on this thread that we see a bunch of "God knows who" who take it upon themselves to try rubbish the boy's obvious super talents. Say it as it is... Like Ndidi, Like Iheanacho... I will not hold back the truth of how special our players are....

It cannot happen as long as thesupernerd moniker is present.

You see him as someone special. I don't necessarily see him as special( I don't even see Ronaldo, Neymar and many star footballers as special even though I know they are super talented) even though I would always want him to succeed in his endeavours. Pinnick knows, Colin knows but others may not agree and that's how it is. You know some like Messi, others don't like him.
And while it is true that Nacho has unenviable stats have you thought about the possibility of Nacho not being a starter in some of our WC matches just as it happened during the qualifiers? I only plead that it would be extremely wonderful if both the pro and anti Nacho groups engage each other without insults and brash talk.

So let us pick someone else to talk about if indeed this Super Eagles team is not just about Nacho.... can the critics plsss take the lead coz I have already done my bits on Ndidi....

Yep... so that is it. No more talk on this.

It would be best sometimes if both the pro and anti Nacho monikers avoid the temptation of going into that room marked ''Nacho discussion going on here''

Well then I've asked you don't you think Ndidi combo with Onazi limits him?

This pitch Niger tornadoes is playing presently.... Did they buy a rug from Aba to floor the ground ?

TheSuperNerd:
Professionals based in our local league. They tried and gave what they got in terms of quality (based on who were picked for the CHAN team). See ehn... Telling them congrats is not celebrating mediocrity.

When talking on Okpotu, I was quick to state that no one should even be considering mentioning his name for the mundial but again... I am also one to acknowledge good no matter how little. These guys wrote a new chapter in our history by reaching the CHAN final. They lost 4-0 yes... But biko Elder Kog45 asked you a question or made a statement...

That Brazil 2014 team that lost 7-1 to Germany abi they were all bunch of mediocres too abi? See sometimes.. That is football.


P.S: Prayers still on....

Yeah, and they're both grand footballing nations, so that is not a very inexplicable result.;

But Morocco thumping Nigeria at such magnitude of 4 nil? ...Haba!

When last have you seen the Super Eagles being battered in such way, even by any team at all, let's let alone an average African footballing country like Morocco.

what happened to calling a spade a spade bro??

Please where is Chidoziem Awazie? Nantes is playing today but i can't find him on the lineup and nothing has been said about him here too. hope he's not dropped in the pecking order?

Yomiwayne80:
This pitch Niger tornadoes is playing presently.... Did they buy a rug from Aba to floor the ground ?

Hahahaha... My God! Is this a pitch or children's playground??

Naija my country!!

This guy wanted us to underrate the bundesliga just because Lukman who wasn't seeing much game time at the mersyside bfor he left for Leipzig in search of more playing time, scored on his debut, he was quickly reminded that Ademola also scored on his Everton debut, lol he had to go scraping for some lame excuses to save his face from that gaff.

Today, a player(Diabate) from ligue 2 is setting the EPL ablaze just like a certain Kante once did and is still doing, in a case like, this, we won't get to read such comments like ; "that goes to tell u about the standard of the league, they are so poor that even English championship sides will hold their own against them"

With regard to the level of the EPL, plz explain Diabate's (a player from French ligue 2) menacing exploit so far

DrKlever:
Please where is Chidoziem Awazie? Nantes is playing today but i can't find him on the lineup and nothing has been said about him here too. hope he's not dropped in the pecking order?

I hope so oo!

Mickael2:
but if I am correct you have seen worse tackles that weren't punished with a red right? And is that a sign of corruption?

Referees are human and will make mistakes they are not infallible.

Yomiwayne80:
This pitch Niger tornadoes is playing presently.... Did they buy a rug from Aba to floor the ground ?

That NTA logo is as outdated as a type writing machine.

MetalJigsaw:
;DAbegii! I'm a fan of the real Super Eagles. Not the the home based crap team ;DAbegii! I'm a fan of the real Super Eagles. Not the the home based crap team

Don't like the way you put down players with your words...

Maybe one day you will find yourself in their position maybe in an administration and you will feel or know what it means to represent or organise.

Please turn down your harsh word little bit... Not cool at all

I totally agree. I hate tags or classifications that treat people in a condescending way. Some people may not be good at expressing themselves but are full of wisdom and highly intelligent. I’m talking from first hand experience.

Mujtahida:
[b][/b]The main thrust of my post is that people have crazy, absurd ideas. You cannot legislate on what they should think and what they should say at least we have not set up an authority to do so. However if one feels their ideas are wrong then they should be corrected with respect and sensitivity. That's what was done to congo4ka and that's what you did to pussypounder.


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Don't be too sure you are right. Cos Kog45 who queried that post by icon cannot be said to be a Nacho hater. I also took exception to the line 'that's how we roll here' even though I understood what he meant. I am no Nacho hater


. I guess God was wrong in giving people mouths. And who is the authority to determine who is to talk and write and who is not to talk and write?
. Opinions need not be backed up by facts. A man watches a player and states his opinion yet you say unless the opinion is backed by fact he should take the path of silence? I heartily disagree with this. Again it boils down to who has determined what is logical and what is illogical. I say even if an opinion is illogical, then what should be stated is the logical opinion and not to shut down anybody.

And has that stopped forgiveness from being the most vilified moniker on this thread? The fact is not whether people state their opinions backed with facts and figures or whether they do not. Cos if I state my factless opinion I would be attacked. If I state my fact backed opinion I would still be attacked. Heads or tail I still lose. The real issue is that people especially the Pro Nacho people do not want others to state contrary opinions whether backed with facts or not. And I feel that ought not to be so. Some adore him. Others don't. Those who adore him do not adore him based on facts and figures. Their hearts simply clicks with the young man.





And the negative people will call your positivity nonsense or naivety. Tit for tat. How do you like that? I see the world - I see opposites. I too have endeavoured to counter what I perceive as negativity. But then I find intolerance to one man a threat to my own liberty. If a man cannot accommodate John today because John has a factless opinion what me thinks he will accommodate me tomorrow when my opinions and ideas change and become factless. I do not want to go too deep but I trust that anyone who has read George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm, anyone who has studied totalitarian regimes from Stalin, Ceaușescu, apartheid in South Africa knows how it goes. Remember how Napoleon first chased out Snowball. Later it was the turn of Squealer who was instrumental in chasing Snowball away.


I do not know if it would work but I look at nature and draw my lessons from her. There's a wide, almost maddening crazy variety in nature and nature works just fine.


This is precisely my point. The ideas and opinions we do not agree with should be countered vigorously but to say such ideas and opinions even those not backed with facts and figures should not be expressed is a no no for me.

Meanwhile in CAF club competition, Akwa united are 2-0 down at home to Banjul Hawks while Plateau united are 1-0 up against Eding sport

Tbaba1234 plz any news on Bazee, I av been waiting to see him return to action with Hannover, but it just doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

I said on thay day thay it was the worst match I have seen a team in GWG play live in the past half decade.... I did make this comment. And I refused watching the replay. It was that bad for me. Once was enough.

But again, I cannot forget how those guys wobbled and fumbled to get there... they did make history no matter what.

And yeah... calling a spade a spade... thank you... now let's do this and move on from this...


Spade no.1: The team was poor in overall team quality.

Spade no.2: The team did show good and admirable character despite how poor they were quality wise.

Spade no.3: Okpotu was our biggest culprit in front of goal and really flunked when he got a lot of chances to bury.

Spade no.4: Okpotu is no main super Eagles material but he is a central part of this CHAN team's history despite all the flaws in the team. He scored two goals and even got the assist for the goal that sent us to the final.

Spade no.5: Both Ezenwa and Ajioboye had their moments of brilliance in goal.

Spade no.6: Salisu Yusuf may be tactically deficient but he led that team low on quality to the final. Something Keshi could not even do. That says a little something.

Spade no.7: Finally I will stop here... the team in spite of all the odds and all the obvious flaws noticed still battled their way through and defeated teams even better than they were before getting blown away by a superior and more cohesive Moroccan team. The team attained Nigeria's best finish at the CHAN and it is history. This is an upgrade on the bronze Keshi's team won in 2014. Keshi's team had the better quality than Salisu's team... but Salisu's team has the history and record.

Finito.

MetalJigsaw:
Yeah, and they're both grand footballing nations, so that is not a very inexplicable result.;

But Morocco thumping Nigeria at such magnitude of 4 nil? ...Haba!

When last have you seen the Super Eagles being battered in such way, even by any team at all, let's let alone an average African footballing country like Morocco.

what happened to calling a spade a spade bro??

Mujtahida:
This is the comment that irked liedetector. Personally I cringed when I read it because prior to this liedetector and Drklever were engaging each other cordially.

I doubt that if safarigirl and liedetector were talking face to face she'd say these words to his face. And even if she does he might not be angry because face to face conversation carries more width than dry words(I know we've called our friends idiot, stupid, crazy, yeye in the course of discussion and they never got angry.) Just the tone of her voice, the look on her face, her hand gestures will give an entirely harmless cast to those words. But reading them naked like this one cannot help but feel insulted. And sure enough the guy felt insulted.

lol....that small thing na wetin una dey call insult?

It may sound harsh, but it wasn't meant to be an insult.

ChrisKels:
This guy wanted us to underrate the bundesliga just because Lukman who wasn't seeing much game time at the mersyside bfor he left for Leipzig in search of more playing time, scored on his debut, he was quickly reminded that Ademola also scored on his Everton debut, lol he had to go scraping for some lame excuses to save his face from that gaff.

Today, a player(Diabate) from ligue 2 is setting the EPL ablaze just like a certain Kante once did and is still doing, in a case like, this, we won't get to read such comments like ; "that goes to tell u about the standard of the league, they are so poor that even English championship sides will hold their own against them"

With regard to the level of the EPL, plz explain Diabate's (a player from French ligue 2) menacing exploit so far

How is Diabate setting the EPL ablaze?

zicky:
you see what a French league 2 player is doing in the EPL, and you want us to believe the championship is better than the teams in ligue one

my brother you sef see am for purposes of winning an argument most bundesliga teams are worse than english championship teams yet a player from a far more inferior french league 2 is killing it in the premiership this life Sha!

zicky:
you see what a French league 2 player is doing in the EPL, and you want us to believe the championship is better than the teams in ligue one

Every league no matter the level will have outstanding players. It's the number of outstanding players that push the leaf up.

Dele, Ademola, Gomez, left league one and walked straight into the EPL. It doesn't put league one on par with the EPL.

So this your reasoning is leaving me bewildered.

Kog45:
Apart from Iheanacho and Ighalo i don't see any striker again,Nwakaeme at 29 with a cap and playing in Isreal get as ebi my man and watching him against Algeria not even close to Ighalo or Iheanacho level.

It may sound some how but if Nwakaeme deserves a call again then players like Martins Obafemi,Ogbeche and Ideye deserves a call too to slug it out in camp.

Definitely with the look of things that slot Stil open..
Martins Stil have chance likewise ogbeche they are both in form...
Ideye just need to set the ball rolling... With goals added to his game...

In my opinion I will add Martins n ogbeche if ideye come out good great.. And let see how they come out in training.
No close door for any player so far you are Stil very active and in form and also in coach 's plan you are good to go.

safarigirl:
lol....that small thing na wetin una dey call insult?

It may sound harsh, but it wasn't meant to be an insult.

You see ba. That's what I am saying. You have just said you didn't mean it as an insult but sincerely even though it wasn't directed at me I felt the bite of those words especially the word 'stinking'.

That's why I always say written communication and face to face communication are not the same. Abeg just appreciate the difference so that person no go dey vex with you over something wey you mean no harm.

Danielnino00:
Meanwhile in CAF club competition, Akwa united are 2-0 down at home to Banjul Hawks while Plateau united are 1-0 up against Eding sport

wait, do you mean Akwa united are loosing at home in uyo?

I don't think I should be explaining my Iheanacho attachment at this point, it has been over flogged to be honest.

But, must we always argue about Kelechi everyday he plays? We will see Ndidi on the pitch, somebody will just mention that he is doing a good job in a passive fashion, but once Kelechi enter pitch, we will be getting blow by blow analysis of how he take touch the ball, some people will even be counting how many times he touched it

With Kelechi, even his haters are admirers. It is a fact, when you keep talking about someone, whether positively or negatively, the person must have some sort of hold on you.

DrKlever:
k Well, that's your opinion.. watch how KC would stroll back into the starting 11 in Okazaki's absence. It's obviously the formation that favoured Diabate, and not that he's better.. Passes, reading of the game, goal instict, and football intelligence KC beats him completely. They ain't even mates!

Everything you have said is open to debate, it's a question of preference.

I would not say that so blatantly.

So then if your deductions are so clearly established why has he virtually sat in the bench all season.

Because na only you get eye Abe, Oga 2 know.

jihday:
I think I'm with you on this, minus ogbeche scoring in the Dutch league won't sway me. see depay and klassen guys who set the Dutch league on fire struggled with goals in the epl

But you prefer Chinese league...
This guy is very active n currently in form.. . So why not?

Danielnino00:
Meanwhile in CAF club competition, Akwa united are 2-0 down at home to Banjul Hawks while Plateau united are 1-0 up against Eding sport

MFM nko?

chrisooblog:
my brother you sef see am for purposes of winning an argument most bundesliga teams are worse than english championship teams yet a player from a far more inferior french league 2 is killing it in the premiership this life Sha!

How is Diabete killing it in the premiership when he has zero goal, zero assist and hasn't won any match since he joined?

Shukusheka:
How is Diabate setting the EPL ablaze?

thank you o, I was about typing same o

Icon4s:
I said "that's how we roll here". Meaning it is a norm here. I cannot support any one using harsh words against anyone here.

And I really understood you. I know you but a newbie will not understand that that your 'that's how we roll here' does not mean you support harsh words. That's the clarification Kog.45 wanted you to make so you'd not be misinterpreted.

Mujtahida:
You see ba. That's what I am saying. You have just said you didn't mean it as an insult but sincerely even though it wasn't directed at me I felt the bite of those words especially the word 'stinking'.

That's why I always say written communication and face to face communication are not the same. Abeg just appreciate the difference so that person no go dey vex with you over something wey you mean no harm.

I have gotten into enough altercations on NL to know that written communication is trash.

To be honest, I am far more blunt in reality than on this site, but the difference is, most of my bluntness is laced with sarcasm and humor, but I take no prisoners when I wan finish pesin.

I used the term 'stinking up', I could have used 'spoiling' or 'ruining', but stinking up has a little more bite than those words

jihday:
wait, do you mean Akwa united are loosing at home in uyo?

Yup

Mujtahida:
And I really understood you. I know you but a newbie will not understand that that your 'that's how we roll here' does not mean you support harsh words. That's the clarification Kog.45 wanted you to make so you'd not be misinterpreted.

Well, I didn't look at it from that angle.

But I have made my points clear.