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Re: The Middle Path by kkins25(m): 8:39pm On Dec 18, 2017
Sarassin:
Sure, you could send a PM.
Dear sir, anticipating your response
Re: The Middle Path by kkins25(m): 8:44pm On Dec 18, 2017
CorrectHead:




In the quoted verse, try to know who was speaking. She (the wife of King Nebuchadnezzar, the father of the King) was only talking based on her knowledge. She has always been exposed to gods and can only refer to what she knew.


That is why the Bible remains authentic, if it was forged by people like you, efforts would have been made to replace gods with God.

But it would have made no sense because she doesn't know of Yahweh. But we know she was just as ignorant as sukkot cheesy cheesy cheesy tongue
So you who was born 2K years later knows what she means better than what the Bible portrays it right?? SMH.
Re: The Middle Path by tjmc: 9:57pm On Jan 13, 2018
Good day sarassin.
smiley
There is something I noticed. Whenever I'm meditating I notice that my head seem to shift ton the right but in actual sense it it where it's supposed to be. Also I notice that there is this cracking or tingling sensation inside my head. What could this possibly mean

Am I doing anything wrong. I do sit on a chair in my room while doing it.

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Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 7:45pm On Jan 14, 2018
tjmc:
Good day sarassin.
smiley
There is something I noticed. Whenever I'm meditating I notice that my head seem to shift ton the right but in actual sense it it where it's supposed to be. Also I notice that there is this cracking or tingling sensation inside my head. What could this possibly mean

Am I doing anything wrong. I do sit on a chair in my room while doing it.

Hello tjmc

It is not unusual during meditative practice to have the experiences you highlighted here, it reflects that you are making progress in your practice. Keep your focus on the point where you feel the sensation and try to maintain your breathing pattern. If it becomes uncomfortable at any time, then you simply stop. Good luck.

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Re: The Middle Path by Nostradamus: 3:05pm On Jan 21, 2018
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Re: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 8:42pm On Jan 21, 2018
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Re: The Middle Path by Nostradamus: 10:40pm On Jan 21, 2018
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Re: The Middle Path by Nostradamus: 10:51am On Jan 22, 2018
Nostradamus:
ok bro. will message you asap.
just sent an email now, thanks in anticipation of your reply.
Re: The Middle Path by swegiedon(m): 1:04pm On Jan 22, 2018
nostradamus i just sent you mail
Re: The Middle Path by Nostradamus: 2:54pm On Jan 24, 2018
swegiedon:
nostradamus i just sent you mail
ok will reply you shortly.
Re: The Middle Path by yosmen: 8:14pm On Jan 28, 2018
how do u deal with serious headaches during meditation and the rise of energy withing the spine
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 1:17am On Jan 29, 2018
yosmen:
how do u deal with serious headaches during meditation and the rise of energy withing the spine

You should not really be experiencing severe headaches during your meditative practice, it is indicative of an energy blockage. You also mentioned energy rising within the spine, it seems to me you may inadvertently be practising a "Kundalini" meditation. If it is possible can you detail the sequence and steps you take in your meditative practice? It will help to identify any areas you are going wrong, if any.

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Re: The Middle Path by Heisenberg77: 9:56pm On Jan 29, 2018
Interesting thread Sarassin, I like how you filter out the noise in the thread and focus on only the substance. Keep it up. I am one who loves to read about the occult and esoteric knowledge even though I do not practice. However, I have always been interested in reading stuff like this right from my youth. I understand if you do not know about this but if If you do, can you throw more light on the Olympic spirits and planetary intelligence? Who/what are these entities? Are they good angels, fallen angels or demons? Are they higher than the arch-angels?

Also, who were the ancient gods worshiped by ancient great civilizations in Egypt, Babylon, Sumeria, Aztec etc? I am talking about gods like Osiris, Anubis, Isis? Where these gods arch-angels, angels, fallen angels or demons? If these were arch-angels or any other good angel, then my next question is do angels usually demand worship? Most ancient civilizations had lots of encounters with various entities, who they said taught them a lot. What entities are these? And why did these entities choose to teach man stuff when conventional knowledge has it that angels do not usually interfere with human activities. Why did these angels (that is if they are) choose to give unsolicited knowledge?

Thank you for your anticipated reply.

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Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 2:19pm On Jan 30, 2018
Heisenberg77:
Interesting thread Sarassin, I like how you filter out the noise in the thread and focus on only the substance. Keep it up. I am one who loves to read about the occult and esoteric knowledge even though I do not practice. However, I have always been interested in reading stuff like this right from my youth. I understand if you do not know about this but if If you do, can you throw more light on the Olympic spirits and planetary intelligence? Who/what are these entities? Are they good angels, fallen angels or demons? Are they higher than the arch-angels?

Also, who were the ancient gods worshiped by ancient great civilizations in Egypt, Babylon, Sumeria, Aztec etc? I am talking about gods like Osiris, Anubis, Isis? Where these gods arch-angels, angels, fallen angels or demons? If these were arch-angels or any other good angel, then my next question is do angels usually demand worship? Most ancient civilizations had lots of encounters with various entities, who they said taught them a lot. What entities are these? And why did these entities choose to teach man stuff when conventional knowledge has it that angels do not usually interfere with human activities. Why did these angels (that is if they are) choose to give unsolicited knowledge?

Thank you for your anticipated reply.

Thank you for your kind words, these are great questions. I will try to do justice to them in several parts.

Planetary Intelligence is a very complex and complete system unto itself and no practitioner has truly learned his craft without an understanding of its aspects.

Planetary Intelligentsia, planetary spirits and Olympic spirits are archetypal, they express the sum total of all sentient behaviour Divinely dictated and to study them is to study a system that recognises and works with the influence, evocation and invocation of these planetary Lords, Kings, Presidents and entities. The Olympic Spirits in particular preside over the natural world, there are seven chief Olympic spirits, each corresponding to each of the planets of our solar system, and having under them provinces numbering 196, they are much closer to the material realm than the Intelligences but they are by no means fallen angels, their place of abode is in the first tier of the highest Divine realm on par with the Archangels, along with planetary intelligentsia they are entirely benign as distinct from planetary spirits who can, and do undertake work of a positive or negative nature.

The theurgy here is that the ancients in their wisdom observed that many human characteristics bore direct relation to the influence of the planets, we each of us possess a special and profound responsiveness of our psyche to the luminaries presided over by the Olympic spirits and planetary intelligence, due to the existence in the deepest mind of each individual, of counterparts which are reflections, as it were, of the universal archetypes of the planets. To simplify - our consciousness at its deepest level represents a microcosm of planetary intelligentsia.

The Olympic spirits as opposed to say planetary intelligence or planetary spirits are much more easily evoked and the experience can be intensified by directing the forces which derive from, or are associated with, one or another of the traditional seven planets; Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sol, Venus, Mercury and Luna. These seven still encompass within their number every aspect of human life, activity and aspiration.

In the human psyche these forces are represented in the “Tree of Life” by the seven planetary Sephiroth, from the third through the ninth; Binah, Chesed, Geburah, Tiphareth, Netzach, Hod and Yesod which correspond to the planets in this order.

The planetary intelligentsia of the universe are beyond our intervention both in scope and in their mode of being. But their counterparts in the depths of our psyche are within our reach by certain special meditative and ritual methods and when one of the counterparts is stirred by our action, it produces effects of the same character as those which typify its cosmic masterpiece. This then takes us into exclusive domain of Planetary Magic.

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Re: The Middle Path by foxe(m): 5:30pm On Jan 30, 2018
Sarassin:


Thank you for your kind words, these are great questions. I will try to do justice to them in several parts.

Planetary Intelligence is a very complex and complete system unto itself and no practitioner has truly learned his craft without an understanding of its aspects.

Planetary Intelligentsia, planetary spirits and Olympic spirits are archetypal, they express the sum total of all sentient behaviour Divinely dictated and to study them is to study a system that recognises and works with the influence, evocation and invocation of these planetary Lords, Kings, Presidents and entities. The Olympic Spirits in particular preside over the natural world, there are seven chief Olympic spirits, each corresponding to each of the planets of our solar system, and having under them provinces numbering 196, they are much closer to the material realm than the Intelligences but they are by no means fallen angels, their place of abode is in the first tier of the highest Divine realm on par with the Archangels, along with planetary intelligentsia they are entirely benign as distinct from planetary spirits who can, and do undertake work of a positive or negative nature.

The theurgy here is that the ancients in their wisdom observed that many human characteristics bore direct relation to the influence of the planets, we each of us possess a special and profound responsiveness of our psyche to the luminaries presided over by the Olympic spirits and planetary intelligence, due to the existence in the deepest mind of each individual, of counterparts which are reflections, as it were, of the universal archetypes of the planets. To simplify - our consciousness at its deepest level represents a microcosm of planetary intelligentsia.

The Olympic spirits as opposed to say planetary intelligence or planetary spirits are much more easily evoked and the experience can be intensified by directing the forces which derive from, or are associated with, one or another of the traditional seven planets; Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sol, Venus, Mercury and Luna. These seven still encompass within their number every aspect of human life, activity and aspiration.

In the human psyche these forces are represented in the “Tree of Life” by the seven planetary Sephiroth, from the third through the ninth; Binah, Chesed, Geburah, Tiphareth, Netzach, Hod and Yesod which correspond to the planets in this order.

The planetary intelligentsia of the universe are beyond our intervention both in scope and in their mode of being. But their counterparts in the depths of our psyche are within our reach by certain special meditative and ritual methods and when one of the counterparts is stirred by our action, it produces effects of the same character as those which typify its cosmic masterpiece. This then takes us into exclusive domain of Planetary Magic.


sir, why is blood sacrifice so important in ATR, what is the significance of blood in performing rituals?
Re: The Middle Path by Heisenberg77: 6:33pm On Jan 30, 2018
Sarassin:


Thank you for your kind words, these are great questions. I will try to do justice to them in several parts.

Planetary Intelligence is a very complex and complete system unto itself and no practitioner has truly learned his craft without an understanding of its aspects.

Planetary Intelligentsia, planetary spirits and Olympic spirits are archetypal, they express the sum total of all sentient behaviour Divinely dictated and to study them is to study a system that recognises and works with the influence, evocation and invocation of these planetary Lords, Kings, Presidents and entities. The Olympic Spirits in particular preside over the natural world, there are seven chief Olympic spirits, each corresponding to each of the planets of our solar system, and having under them provinces numbering 196, they are much closer to the material realm than the Intelligences but they are by no means fallen angels, their place of abode is in the first tier of the highest Divine realm on par with the Archangels, along with planetary intelligentsia they are entirely benign as distinct from planetary spirits who can, and do undertake work of a positive or negative nature.

The theurgy here is that the ancients in their wisdom observed that many human characteristics bore direct relation to the influence of the planets, we each of us possess a special and profound responsiveness of our psyche to the luminaries presided over by the Olympic spirits and planetary intelligence, due to the existence in the deepest mind of each individual, of counterparts which are reflections, as it were, of the universal archetypes of the planets. To simplify - our consciousness at its deepest level represents a microcosm of planetary intelligentsia.

The Olympic spirits as opposed to say planetary intelligence or planetary spirits are much more easily evoked and the experience can be intensified by directing the forces which derive from, or are associated with, one or another of the traditional seven planets; Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sol, Venus, Mercury and Luna. These seven still encompass within their number every aspect of human life, activity and aspiration.

In the human psyche these forces are represented in the “Tree of Life” by the seven planetary Sephiroth, from the third through the ninth; Binah, Chesed, Geburah, Tiphareth, Netzach, Hod and Yesod which correspond to the planets in this order.

The planetary intelligentsia of the universe are beyond our intervention both in scope and in their mode of being. But their counterparts in the depths of our psyche are within our reach by certain special meditative and ritual methods and when one of the counterparts is stirred by our action, it produces effects of the same character as those which typify its cosmic masterpiece. This then takes us into exclusive domain of Planetary Magic.



Thank you very much Sarassin for taking out the time to reply. I got from you that the Olympic spirits are on par with the arch-angels. If you have the time please give an answer to who the ancient gods were, were they demons, fallen angels or arch-angels or non?

Also, I find fascinating the fact that in the spiritual realm there are all these entities, be they angels, arch angels, demons, Olympik spirits, planetary intelligence and spirits etc, with all their accompanying positions/titles (presidents, kings, princes, etc). I have often wondered the functions of all these entities. Why were they created? I would appreciate it if you can give a possible explanation. Since we are told that these entities usually will not interfere with the activities of humans, except called upon/invoked, then we can safely say their primary function is not for we humans. So they must have a higher purpose. What exactly are their day to day functions?

I have read explanations saying many of these entities like the angels were created to watch over the universe, meaning things like taking care of the earth's rotation/revolution, ensuring that all the physical laws of the universe are maintained, and ensuring the cosmos behaves like it should etc. However, I find it hard to believe these are their only functions, because how many entities does it take to do all that? I mean, I can understand having a spirit ruler of a planet, but why are there presidents and governors under that same spirit just for one planet? Also, with all these different authorities and dominions and powers, are they plagued by the same jostle for positions like we humans are accustomed to on earth? Do they have angelic coups for example? Say some of the princes trying to unseat a king? Do they compete for power? Say for example a guardian angel runs across an Olympic spirit in the regular discharge of his duties, will they engage in some kind of spiritual brawl and try to establish who is boss? In a nut-shell, how do the activities and influence of all these entities overlap? I remember the story in the bible in the book of Daniel about the arch-angel Gabriel being held up for 3 weeks by an angel prince of Persia. Clearly this entity wanted to make a point as if to prove he is boss, and it took Michael to come rescue Gabriel. What do you think of this story?

Pardon me for these deluge of questions. These questions are things I regularly think and theorize about in my mind. I have always been interested/fascinated in the study of angels and the spiritual hierarchies. I can understand if you do not have possible explanations for everything, but would appreciate the ones you can answer.
Re: The Middle Path by yosmen: 10:11am On Jan 31, 2018
[quote author=Sarassin post=64598571]

You should not really be experiencing severe headaches during your meditative practice, it is indicative of an energy blockage. You also mentioned energy rising within the spine, it seems to me you may inadvertently be practising a "Kundalini" meditation. If it is possible can you detail the sequence and steps you take in your meditative practice? It will help to identify any areas you are going wrong, if any.[/quot

true, had energy blockage had to change focus to the heart Chakra and it stopped, am working on awakening my kundalini using kriya guess its a long walk thing
Re: The Middle Path by yosmen: 10:30am On Jan 31, 2018
The planetary spirits and planetary magic above the Olympic spirits, what are the basic invocation, evocation methods, does it require the use of keys n sigils? Highlight pls
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 12:58pm On Feb 01, 2018
Heisenberg77:


Thank you very much Sarassin for taking out the time to reply. I got from you that the Olympic spirits are on par with the arch-angels. If you have the time please give an answer to who the ancient gods were, were they demons, fallen angels or arch-angels or non?

Also, I find fascinating the fact that in the spiritual realm there are all these entities, be they angels, arch angels, demons, Olympik spirits, planetary intelligence and spirits etc, with all their accompanying positions/titles (presidents, kings, princes, etc). I have often wondered the functions of all these entities. Why were they created? I would appreciate it if you can give a possible explanation. Since we are told that these entities usually will not interfere with the activities of humans, except called upon/invoked, then we can safely say their primary function is not for we humans. So they must have a higher purpose. What exactly are their day to day functions?

Broadly speaking, philosophically I take the Neoplatonist pantheistic view of the derivation of reality from a single principle of the One.

In my view, the ancient gods for the most part were men of preternatural abilities who lived at the dawn of civilisation who later came to be deified as a result of their deeds. But there were other elements at work often glimpsed throughout the history of mankind who very often are the tell-tale signs of the “Demiurge”. Chief amongst these are spirit entities such as teaching angels who have throughout the history of mankind made themselves known to man.

The Demiurge presents as the creator of the universe, responsible for its design and smooth operation, much as we see the serpent in the mythical garden of Eden who ran the place, maintained it and repatriated precious stones to his divine overlords, the Demiurge shapes and maintains the physical world but it is not the “One”, being itself an emission of the One. The Demiurge represents the mind and consciousness that reflects the unquantifiable essence of the “One” into the experience called the material world and the Universe.

Every archetypal entity, God, spirit or Archangel of Divine emission has its own divine tasks just as we have ours, they exist primarily to fulfil their divine assignations just as we do. They lead their own existence just we lead ours, occasionally our realms overlap because they may require us to assist them in carrying out their own tasks just as we often entreat spirits of a higher realm for assistance or indeed, spirits of a lower realm. But we are not their primary concern, their primary function is to deliver a higher and more complete experience of the tangible and intangible worlds in a manner unfathomable to us, to the Divine.

For these entities time has no standards in the way we understand it. If we entreat a planetary spirit or even an Archangel for help, it can just as easily alter your past in order to effect the changes in your future, the implications are clear, they are not bound by our concepts of time and space, their functionality is the pure aspiration to the Divine.

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Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 2:39pm On Feb 01, 2018
Heisenberg77:

I have read explanations saying many of these entities like the angels were created to watch over the universe, meaning things like taking care of the earth's rotation/revolution, ensuring that all the physical laws of the universe are maintained, and ensuring the cosmos behaves like it should etc. However, I find it hard to believe these are their only functions, because how many entities does it take to do all that? I mean, I can understand having a spirit ruler of a planet, but why are there presidents and governors under that same spirit just for one planet? Also, with all these different authorities and dominions and powers, are they plagued by the same jostle for positions like we humans are accustomed to on earth? Do they have angelic coups for example? Say some of the princes trying to unseat a king? Do they compete for power? Say for example a guardian angel runs across an Olympic spirit in the regular discharge of his duties, will they engage in some kind of spiritual brawl and try to establish who is boss? In a nut-shell, how do the activities and influence of all these entities overlap? I remember the story in the bible in the book of Daniel about the arch-angel Gabriel being held up for 3 weeks by an angel prince of Persia. Clearly this entity wanted to make a point as if to prove he is boss, and it took Michael to come rescue Gabriel. What do you think of this story?

Pardon me for these deluge of questions. These questions are things I regularly think and theorize about in my mind. I have always been interested/fascinated in the study of angels and the spiritual hierarchies. I can understand if you do not have possible explanations for everything, but would appreciate the ones you can answer.

True, there are myriad Angelic and Planetary beings dedicated to “looking after” the various planets as well as the smooth running of the universe. But these entities are the exceptions rather than the norm, indeed it is not what we think, it is more about attending to their own kind. In this respect the concept of “Jacob’s ladder” in the Christian bible is simply sublime, if your inner vision were to be opened you would see that there is a continuous and perpetual movement of celestial spiritual beings between the physical plane and the spiritual plane and that spirit entities in the material world far outnumber our physical population here on earth.

The appellations; President, Kings, e.t.c are more for our understanding, do not think of them in the sense of “Rulers” consider them more as fulfilling duties of their aspects to those who invoke them.

There is no duality in the heavenly realm, witness the story of the Rabbi Elisha known as "Aher" who reputedly visited the heavenly orchard to find the Archangel Metatron seated on the throne of the Supreme Being. Upon Rabbi Elisha's inquiry as to whether there was now duality in heaven, the Supreme Being ordered that Metatron be lead out and given 400 lashes with a hot fiery rod simply to demonstrate that there was no duality in heaven.

There is no rebellion in the heavenly realm, the very idea itself is ludicrous. The heavenly realms exists as the highest state of perfection, it is the “perfection of perfection” access to that realm is in itself perfection, there is no possibility of anything less. There are no “Fallen Angels” per se, Angels and demons are virtually the same, all that differs is their assignation. Planetary intelligence, Archangels, spirits et al do not jostle or jockey for position or power, they carry out their duties within clearly defined parameters and can only be accessed or invoked within their own strata.

Within our minds as the microcosm of the different realms lies the correspondences, in the very highest realm is the Divine abode, in its most transcendent universal nature, in this realm resides causal forces.

The next level is the world of the subtle elements and the home of the astral body as well as an innumerable population of spirits. It is also the home and origins of the subtle energy that has many names, i.e prana, chi, or if you prefer, the Holy Spirit and so on. At the higher spectrum of this level are the Archetypes, Planetary Intelligences, Angels, as well as the lower mythic aspects of various Gods, Goddesses, and other subtle beings that despite their spiritual nature display ego clinging. Yet, within this same level lies several stratum that differentiates the entities by their Archetypes, aspects, abilities and so on in order that cause and effect do not overlap.

The third and lowest level is of course the material world that we live in, which is not under discussion here.

Conflicts can occur for instance when entities with counter-intuitive aspects are invoked for a common cause but these conflicts have been erroneously given anthropomorphic properties leading to tales of battles and debauchery, but in fact where such conflicts are apparent, there is a hierarchy and an order to spiritual life. To quote Albert Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe".

*modification made*

Thanks.

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Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 2:41pm On Feb 01, 2018
yosmen:
The planetary spirits and planetary magic above the Olympic spirits, what are the basic invocation, evocation methods, does it require the use of keys n sigils? Highlight pls

I am not sure about posting invocatory methods of planetary intelligence on the forum.
Re: The Middle Path by yosmen: 3:23pm On Feb 01, 2018
Sarassin:


I am not sure about posting invocatory methods of planetary intelligence on the forum.

A yes or No answer will suffice me. Does such require the use of keys and sigils.?
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 3:34pm On Feb 01, 2018
yosmen:


A yes or No answer will suffice me. Does such require the use of keys and sigils.?

Yes, you need the seal, and the appropriate day and hour of the planet in question.
Re: The Middle Path by yosmen: 3:45pm On Feb 01, 2018
Sarassin:


Yes, you need the seal, and the appropriate day and hour of the planet in question.

thanks.

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Re: The Middle Path by Heisenberg77: 5:47am On Feb 04, 2018
Sarassin:


Broadly speaking, philosophically I take the Neoplatonist pantheistic view of the derivation of reality from a single principle of the One.

In my view, the ancient gods for the most part were men of preternatural abilities who lived at the dawn of civilisation who later came to be deified as a result of their deeds. But there were other elements at work often glimpsed throughout the history of mankind who very often are the tell-tale signs of the “Demiurge”. Chief amongst these are spirit entities such as teaching angels who have throughout the history of mankind made themselves known to man.

The Demiurge presents as the creator of the universe, responsible for its design and smooth operation, much as we see the serpent in the mythical garden of Eden who ran the place, maintained it and repatriated precious stones to his divine overlords, the Demiurge shapes and maintains the physical world but it is not the “One”, being itself an emission of the One. The Demiurge represents the mind and consciousness that reflects the unquantifiable essence of the “One” into the experience called the material world and the Universe.

Every archetypal entity, God, spirit or Archangel of Divine emission has its own divine tasks just as we have ours, they exist primarily to fulfil their divine assignations just as we do. They lead their own existence just we lead ours, occasionally our realms overlap because they may require us to assist them in carrying out their own tasks just as we often entreat spirits of a higher realm for assistance or indeed, spirits of a lower realm. But we are not their primary concern, their primary function is to deliver a higher and more complete experience of the tangible and intangible worlds in a manner unfathomable to us, to the Divine.

For these entities time has no standards in the way we understand it. If we entreat a planetary spirit or even an Archangel for help, it can just as easily alter your past in order to effect the changes in your future, the implications are clear, they are not bound by our concepts of time and space, their functionality is the pure aspiration to the Divine.

Thank you very much Sarassin for your very detailed explanation.
Re: The Middle Path by Heisenberg77: 5:57am On Feb 04, 2018
Sarassin:


True, there are myriad Angelic and Planetary beings dedicated to “looking after” the various planets as well as the smooth running of the universe. But these entities are the exceptions rather than the norm, indeed it is not what we think, it is more about attending to their own kind. In this respect the concept of “Jacob’s ladder” in the Christian bible is simply sublime, if your inner vision were to be opened you would see that there is a continuous and perpetual movement of celestial spiritual beings between the physical plane and the spiritual plane and that spirit entities in the material world far outnumber our physical population here on earth.

The appellations; President, Kings, e.t.c are more for our understanding, do not think of them in the sense of “Rulers” consider them more as fulfilling duties of their aspects to those who invoke them.

There is no duality in the heavenly realm, witness the story of the Rabbi Elisha known as "Aher" who reputedly visited the heavenly orchard to find the Archangel Metatron seated on the throne of the Supreme Being. Upon Rabbi Elisha's inquiry as to whether there was now duality in heaven, the Supreme Being ordered that Metatron be lead out and given 400 lashes with a hot fiery rod simply to demonstrate that there was no duality in heaven.

There is no rebellion in the heavenly realm, the very idea itself is ludicrous. The heavenly realms exists as the highest state of perfection, it is the “perfection of perfection” access to that realm is in itself perfection, there is no possibility of anything less. There are no “Fallen Angels” per se, Angels and demons are virtually the same, all that differs is their assignation. Planetary intelligence, Archangels, spirits et al do not jostle or jockey for position or power, they carry out their duties within clearly defined parameters and can only be accessed or invoked within their own strata.

Within our minds as the microcosm of the different realms lies the correspondences, in the very highest realm is the Divine abode, in its most transcendent universal nature, in this realm resides causal forces.

The next level is the world of the subtle elements and the home of the astral body as well as an innumerable population of spirits. It is also the home and origins of the subtle energy that has many names, i.e prana, chi, or if you prefer, the Holy Spirit and so on. At the higher spectrum of this level are the Archetypes, Planetary Intelligences, Angels, as well as the lower mythic aspects of various Gods, Goddesses, and other subtle beings that despite their spiritual nature display ego clinging. Yet, within this same level lies several stratum that differentiates the entities by their Archetypes, aspects, abilities and so on in order that cause and effect do not overlap.

The third and lowest level is of course the material world that we live in, which is not under discussion here.

Conflicts can occur for instance when entities with counter-intuitive aspects are invoked for a common cause but these conflicts have been erroneously given anthropomorphic properties leading to tales of battles and debauchery, but in fact where such conflicts are apparent, there is a hierarchy and an order to spiritual life. To quote Albert Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe".

*modification made*

Thanks.



Thank you very much for your very detailed explanations. I have been reading about the arch angel Metatron. Some people are suggesting he was Enoch in the bible who was taken up bodily to heaven. This school of thought said he was made head of the angels after the ascension.
Re: The Middle Path by TomHagen: 2:12pm On Feb 13, 2018
Hi Sarassin
What is the meaning of a burning sensation at the position of the crown chakra?
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 5:03pm On Feb 13, 2018
TomHagen:
Hi Sarassin

What is the meaning of a burning sensation at the position of the crown chakra?

This could be the result of several things not least a medical issue. Can you tell me what practice you are engaged in?
Re: The Middle Path by TomHagen: 6:08pm On Feb 13, 2018
Sarassin:


This could be the result of several things not least a medical issue. Can you tell me what practice you are engaged in?
I am attempting to quieten my thoughts as per your guidelines.
I find the 4-2-4 breathing routine to be distracting.

I have adopted the model I read in a book. Just breathing normally and watching your thoughts float by without participating in them. It appears to be working as the thoughts are reducing but I'm not there yet.

Sometimes I also see images I cannot account for.

I don't think it's a medical issue.
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 7:04pm On Feb 13, 2018
TomHagen:
I am attempting to quieten my thoughts as per your guidelines.
I find the 4-2-4 breathing routine to be distracting.

I have adopted the model I read in a book. Just breathing normally and watching your thoughts float by without participating in them. It appears to be working as the thoughts are reducing but I'm not there yet.

Sometimes I also see images I cannot account for.

I don't think it's a medical issue.

Ok, all is clear. It’s not unusual to have images float through your mind when you are in the process of practising meditation, these are just images that your subconscious throws up whilst you are emptying your mind, again, pay no heed to these at this stage.

It seems to me you are exciting the crown chakra in isolation which in itself can be problematic, this is why I suggested the use of the mantras in the method I gave. This ensures that the chakras are activated in the right order from the bottom up culminating in the flowering of the crown chakra. I would suggest you incorporate the chanting into your practice.

If you already do the chanting of the mantras then I would further suggest that you chant only the first two or three lines. Do let me know how you get on.
Re: The Middle Path by 4amorc(m): 8:33pm On Feb 13, 2018

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