God is One as All is One =

The Universe is not a twoneverse; it is united except for those who seek to divide us. Science and religion or theories and faiths divide the Universe with uncertainty(When they ultimately lead to the same path) while the single truth of Oneness simply, absolutely, or most certainly unites us All. If theories and faiths were true they would be called Truth. There is no greater power or strength than One or =. Am I a theist or an atheist? I am simply a "Trueist" who loves the Truth and Follows Nothing Else But the Path of Truth. Albert Einstein died searching for an equation that unifies energy or everything, a unified field theory UFT or theory of everything TOE. He reduced or simplified the universe to his most famous equation e = mc2 then unfortunately got lost and went the other way. Had he simply reduced his own equation to its simplist or single Truth, to =, he would have found the proof or truth he was looking for.
It was C or the speed of light that stood in his Way.
Equal or =, mathematically or empirically, is the equation for Truth, the Truth that unites us all..When all is equal, all is truly One. Equal cannot be challanged, it can only be obscured. It is the equation's single absolute.

God is One as All is One =

I hereby Call on My Good friends Sarassin and LoJ To Add their Own Truths to this Thread.

Its time to Kill the gods we created in our heads and become more harmonious with the Natural order and Cosmic Intelligence that Created Us. When you meditate, You see yourself aligning with that Divine Cosmic purpose of Existence. Some might say We can't be Certain of what the Messages or the Emotions we receive during meditation Translates to Or really Mean As one is "UN-conscious" at that time. But Reality couldn't exist without the uncertainty principle. If we knew every event of the past and future, we'd never be conscious of the Now. Uncertainty exists because we can't consciously perceive the entire UNiverse. If we did, We'd perceive no separation or unknowable "chances" Like "God"s. If you were conscious of the entire UNiverse, you couldn't perceive yourself as separate from anything, you'd have no time or relativity. You would be.... UN-conscious.
Meditation Connects You to Your "God Self". And when you Go so deep into meditation, The Ultimate Truth Begins To Reveal itself to You which eventually is that - One is All as All is One.

Oneness Is The Ultimate Truth.

Keep swimming in delusion with fancy words, you're either theist or atheist. There's no middle ground.

Lirqur:
Keep swimming in delusion with fancy words, you're either theist or atheist. There's no middle ground.

Thank you for your Comment My Friend, But first try and google what Pantheism is, And you are welcome To comment again with A Clearer View. Thanks again and I Hope you Find your Truth My Friend.

MrMystrO:

Thank you for your Comment My Friend, I Hope you Find your Truth.

Oh true that, I forgot. We are all here to find our truth.
Salaam.

Pantheists, Share Your Truths.

Still waiting for your submission Sarassin...

Hmmm

MrMystrO:
God is One as All is One =

The Universe is not a twoneverse; it is united except for those who seek to divide us. Science and religion or theories and faiths divide the Universe with uncertainty(When they ultimately lead to the same path) while the single truth of Oneness simply, absolutely, or most certainly unites us All. If theories and faiths were true they would be called Truth. There is no greater power or strength than One or =. Am I a theist or an atheist? I am simply a "Trueist" who loves the Truth and Follows Nothing Else But the Path of Truth. Albert Einstein died searching for an equation that unifies energy or everything, a unified field theory UFT or theory of everything TOE. He reduced or simplified the universe to his most famous equation e = mc2 then unfortunately got lost and went the other way. Had he simply reduced his own equation to its simplist or single Truth, to =, he would have found the proof or truth he was looking for.
It was C or the speed of light that stood in his Way.
Equal or =, mathematically or empirically, is the equation for Truth, the Truth that unites us all..When all is equal, all is truly One. Equal cannot be challanged, it can only be obscured. It is the equation's single absolute.

God is One as All is One =

So long as our current conceptions of God as defined by the major religions persist man will never be free, he will never grow up into full dignity of his personhood. God, that God is against man.

Mujtahida:

So long as our current conceptions of God as defined by the major religions persist man will never be free, he will never grow up into full dignity of his personhood. God, that God is against man.

Very Right.. Lovely Contribution! Are you a pantheist?

MrMystrO:
I hereby Call on My Good friends Sarassin and LoJ To Add their Own Truths to this Thread.

Gosh, can't believe I missed this thread, I should be along as soon as opportuned.

MrMystrO:


Very Right.. Lovely Contribution! Are you a pantheist?

Well I don't like tags. Used to be a Christian, jettisoned it and now I believe in the universe, in nature. My views of God are kinda pagan and earth bound

vaxx:

Hey

Thanks for dropping by

Mujtahida:

Well I don't like tags. Used to be a Christian, jettisoned it and now I believe in the universe, in nature. My views of God are kinda pagan and earth bound

I see.. Well that's Good enough.. As long as you can Rationalize the meaning of your Existence with a Broad concept of your perception of the Universe, It'll definitely Do

I really didn't like tags also, But since i don't want to identify as an atheist and after going through all the sub branches of theism, i think Pantheism sticks more to me than all others because it is the one that easily makes more rational sense to me. I identify with it Easily.. so to speak.

Sarassin:


Gosh, can't believe I missed this thread, I should be along as soon as opportuned.

Wow thanks sir.. Your contribution is duly awaited.

I've always wondered if pantheists also hold the same beliefs as universalists. Do they?

MrMystrO:


Wow thanks sir.. Your contribution is duly awaited.

Thanks MrMystrO, it's probably better that I kick off with my understanding of what Pantheism stands for, I do not see that there’s a universal pantheistic definition. Rather I consider the term more a catch-all for a very wide range of theological and philosophical disciplines emanating from different schools of thought as wide and divergent as Heraclitus of Ephesus to Marcus Aurelius, Nietzsche to Spinoza and even Wordsworth. That said, as a practitioner of Tantra I find that Pantheism is also a form of an expression of the Vedanta, therefore, for me Tantra is the ultimate expression of Pantheism. That is a cosmic-view that I identify with.

To further elaborate, the great Poet John Donne in his acclaimed poem, ‘No man is an island’ wrote :

“ Every man is a part of the continent, a part of the main………..any man’s death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind….”

And the Pre-Socratic Greek Philosopher Heraclitus taught that:

“moreover we step into the river and out of the river as different beings” and then he went on to say:
“Gods are mortal, humans immortal, living their death, dying their life.”

These two streams of thought, one modern and one ancient for me sums up the total Pantheistic view, one represents the inter-connectivity and inter-dependence of beings in a closed system, and the other quite simply, that everything changes, nature itself is change flowing ever onwards, and even the nature of the flow changes.

I think of the Pantheist concept of Divinity more as a moving spirit or awareness that permeates the universe, that is sentient, and represents the sum total of all that has been before, all that is, and all that will be. Not unlike the Christian God, but not as a universal after-thought but rather fore-thought and most definitely without the subjective anthropomorphism and the earth-bound limitations of a religious deity. And then imagine that any sentient being forms a part of this awareness.

Sarassin:


Thanks MrMystrO, it's probably better that I kick off with my understanding of what Pantheism stands for, I do not see that there’s a universal pantheistic definition. Rather I consider the term more a catch-all for a very wide range of theological and philosophical disciplines emanating from different schools of thought as wide and divergent as Heraclitus of Ephesus to Marcus Aurelius, Nietzsche to Spinoza and even Wordsworth. That said, as a practitioner of Tantra I find that Pantheism is also a form of an expression of the Vedanta, therefore, for me Tantra is the ultimate expression of Pantheism. That is a cosmic-view that I identify with.

To further elaborate, the great Poet John Donne in his acclaimed poem, ‘No man is an island’ wrote :

“ Every man is a part of the continent, a part of the main………..any man’s death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind….”

And the Pre-Socratic Greek Philosopher Heraclitus taught that:

“moreover we step into the river and out of the river as different beings” and then he went on to say:
“Gods are mortal, humans immortal, living their death, dying their life.”

These two streams of thought, one modern and one ancient for me sums up the total Pantheistic view, one represents the inter-connectivity and inter-dependence of beings in a closed system, and the other quite simply, that everything changes, nature itself is change flowing ever onwards, and even the nature of the flow changes.

I think of the Pantheist concept of Divinity more as a moving spirit or awareness that permeates the universe, that is sentient, and represents the sum total of all that has been before, all that is, and all that will be. Not unlike the Christian God, but not as a universal after-thought but rather fore-thought and most definitely without the subjective anthropomorphism and the earth-bound limitations of a religious deity. And then imagine that any sentient being forms a part of this awareness.

This is Gold. You're definitely the most enlightened Being i have come across on this forum.. Possibly in my life. Still i do have a few questions..

Let's start with this one. In the two streams of pantheist thought that you highlighted, Which one resonates more with you? i kinda find the one centered on Change i.e. Everything changes and is change ever flowing onwards..i kinda find that resonating with me more than the closed system concept. Which one do you believe a more Universal Truth between the two?

festwiz:
I've always wondered if pantheists also hold the same beliefs as universalists. Do they?

I'm sorry but I'm not really familiar with the ideas of universalists, Could you elaborate on it a bit?

Lol, the simple truth is whether God exist or not, neither can be proven. However, if God actually exist, we do not know even a single thing about Him or Her, His/Her true nature, how He/She works, His/Her purpose, whether we're special to Him/Her, whether we're just like minute cells in His/Her body, thinking that we matters, when in the real sense we may not, Perhaps we're just His/Her slaves, perhaps, some of us are just minor characters to His/Her major characters in His/Her play, like millions of people that perished in the cause of David, Solomon, Jesus, Paul, Mohammed, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Gbagbo, Gaddafi and many popular men in History of humanity. We may never know. So the best thing is to live life to the fullest, enjoy it while it last, who knows, we might even be like a computer/game simulation, just for the fun of whoever or whatever created us.

mubbyzhe:
Lol, the simple truth is whether God exist or not, neither can be proven. However, if God actually exist, we do not know even a single thing about Him or Her, His/Her true nature, how He/She works, His/Her purpose, whether we're special to Him/Her, whether we're just like minute cells in His/Her body, thinking that we matters, when in the real sense we may not, Perhaps we're just His/Her slaves, perhaps, some of us are just minor characters to His/Her major characters in His/Her play, like millions of people that perished in the cause of David, Solomon, Jesus, Paul, Mohammed, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Gbagbo, Gaddafi and many popular men in History of humanity. We may never know. So the best thing is to live life to the fullest, enjoy it while it last, who knows, we might even be like a computer/game simulation, just for the fun of whoever or whatever created us.

Which is exactly why I don't accept "goddidit" as an answer to any question

if this entity being conjured as an answer is Unknown then using an unknown to answer a question we don't have an answer to makes no sense!

CuteMadridista:


Which is exactly why I don't accept "goddidit" as an answer to any question

if this entity being conjured as an answer is Unknown then using an unknown to answer a question we don't have an answer to makes no sense!

What I'm yet to understand is that, there's external force which is controlling our activities, imagine a situation when we think so much about certain things, and such things worked for us at the least probable way. But whether it is "Goddidit" thingy, or our thoughts and body is a force working with nature, I'm yet to know and I'll like to know

mubbyzhe:

What I'm yet to understand is that, there's external force which is controlling our activities, imagine a situation when we think so much about certain things, and such things worked for us at the least probable way. But whether it is "Goddidit" thingy, or our thoughts and body is a force working with nature, I'm yet to know and I'll like to know

Hmmmm, I don't want to hijack this thread but let me end by saying when I believed in a god I got favourable outcomes at roughly the same rate as when I stopped believing in a god, dare I say I got even better results as a nonbeliever due to going all in without expecting some invisible entity to provide help for me

Honestly I've come to the conclusion that if there's a creator, then such a creator does not interfere in our affairs or if it does its doing it so randomly, unpredictably and undetectably that we might as well just assume he's not interfering and chalk it up to chance instead


This is my final post here as I don't want to derail the thread too much

MrMystrO:


This is Gold. You're definitely the most enlightened Being i have come across on this forum.. Possibly in my life. Still i do have a few questions..

Let's start with this one. In the two streams of pantheist thought that you highlighted, Which one resonates more with you? i kinda find the one centered on Change i.e. Everything changes and is change ever flowing onwards..i kinda find that resonating with me more than the closed system concept. Which one do you believe a more Universal Truth between the two?

Thank you very much. The question you ask is quite loaded, I believe each is a universal truth, change is constant and universal it represents the ultimate expression of Divine will but I would be loathe to diminish the second axiom on the interdependence of things because change is calibrated by awareness as illustrated by the ancient Chinese philosopher Zhuang Zhu who neatly sums it up in the following story:

“Once upon a time, I, Chuang Chou, dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was Chou. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man. Between a man and a butterfly there is necessarily a distinction. The transition is called the transformation of material things.”

For me, the Pantheistic ideal embodies the principles of change and interdependence, the material form is secondary this of course leads us to the third and final axiom which is “transformation.”

mubbyzhe:
Lol, the simple truth is whether God exist or not, neither can be proven. However, if God actually exist, we do not know even a single thing about Him or Her, His/Her true nature, how He/She works, His/Her purpose, whether we're special to Him/Her, whether we're just like minute cells in His/Her body, thinking that we matters, when in the real sense we may not, Perhaps we're just His/Her slaves, perhaps, some of us are just minor characters to His/Her major characters in His/Her play, like millions of people that perished in the cause of David, Solomon, Jesus, Paul, Mohammed, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Gbagbo, Gaddafi and many popular men in History of humanity. We may never know. So the best thing is to live life to the fullest, enjoy it while it last, who knows, we might even be like a computer/game simulation, just for the fun of whoever or whatever created us.

I can see your point my good friend, But I think the real problem with us humans is trying to give this entity, this Ultimate Intelligence we call God, a personality. I think when you do that, you try to place it in a bracket, like you're trying to make it Something you can Understand thereby limiting the Nature of its existence. It is just way bigger than any personality you can think of ascribing to it Because whenever you try to give something a personality, you do so within the confines of your imagination, Your limited human mental construct. I think that is where the problem with the idea behind your post lies. When you have transcended that level of trying to give this being a personality, then you might come to Perceive it a little better than you do And probably grasp the Idea behind the Pantheistic attempt to Perceive(Note i didn't use the word understand or Explain) This entity. Pantheism is an idea that perceives God as everything that was everything that is and everything that will be And so you can never ever try to fit that in the small box and confines of the human Mind. It is Virtually Impossible. Maybe when you begin Understand that What we call God is something that Should be perceived(or felt) and NOT understood, then you can start your journey into Pantheism From there. Many Thanks for your contribution.

MrMystrO:


I'm sorry but I'm not really familiar with the ideas of universalists, Could you elaborate on it a bit?

They seem sort of similar to me.

pan·the·ism- /ˈpanTHēˌizəm/

noun

1. a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.

2. worship that admits or tolerates all gods.

WHILE

Universalism is a theological and philosophical concept that some ideas have universal application or applicability.[ citation needed]A community that calls itself universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine

CuteMadridista:


Which is exactly why I don't accept "goddidit" as an answer to any question

if this entity being conjured as an answer is Unknown then using an unknown to answer a question we don't have an answer to makes no sense!

I think it helps if we understand our true antecedents and our relationship to the universe. It has been shown that all matter in the universe is composed of basic building blocks, or atoms.

We are composed of matter. Mostly like clouds of electricity vibrating with wave patterns. Take a man and squeeze the empty spaces out of him, and you are left with a little pile of solid substance no larger than a flyspeck. We are hollow and our insubstantial bodies are strung together with electromagnetic and nuclear forces that simply create the illusion of matter. The only real difference between the living and the non-living is that the atoms of life are organised. They are arranged into self-replicating patterns that defy cosmic chaos by constantly repairing and replacing themselves feeding on order.

We are all subject to cosmic forces, we can consider the effect of the Lunar pull on our daily lives, for instance, a woman will only conceive when the moon is in the phase under which she was born, we are bombarded by cosmic emanations from interplanetary bodies, Mars for instance for it's aggressive yielding tendencies and Venus for love.

Life is in extremely close touch with matter, and at the highest levels this means that it not only takes energy and information from its surroundings but returns them as well. We struggle to understand the concept of Divine God, Supreme Being, The supernatural or whatever appellation we chose to describe our deities fundamentally as an exchange of energy at cosmic level and that we are at our very best when we are in resonance and sympathy with our cosmic surrounds.

CuteMadridista:


Hmmmm, I don't want to hijack this thread but let me end by saying when I believed in a god I got favourable outcomes at roughly the same rate as when I stopped believing in a god, dare I say I got even better results as a nonbeliever due to going all in without expecting some invisible entity to provide help for me

while that may be true, we do not know whether that's how "God" has designed it to be
Note: I'm not saying there's prove that God exists, I'm only letting you see the other side of it, if and only if God exist at all

CuteMadridista:

Honestly I've come to the conclusion that if there's a creator, then such a creator does not interfere in our affairs or if it does its doing it so randomly, unpredictably and undetectably that we might as well just assume he's not interfering and chalk it up to chance instead

Or what you called randomly, unpredictably, and undetectably, is His way of doing things or enjoying His creation. We are yet to know.
Note: this is also based on if and only if He exists.

CuteMadridista:

This is my final post here as I don't want to derail the thread too much

A'ight Bro, thanks for the reply, I just love the discussion about these religions and God(s). My take is still that, we're yet to know anything to make conclusion about any of it, and the best religion for now should be living your life to the fullest while it last.

MrMystrO:


I can see your point my good friend, But I think the real problem with us humans is trying to give this entity, this Ultimate Intelligence we call God, a personality. I think when you do that, you try to place it in a bracket, like you're trying to make it Something you can Understand thereby limiting the Nature of its existence. It is just way bigger than any personality you can think of ascribing to it Because whenever you try to give something a personality, you do so within the confines of your imagination, Your limited human mental construct. I think that is where the problem with the idea behind your post lies. When you have transcended that level of trying to give this being a personality, then you might come to Perceive it a little better than you do And probably grasp the Idea behind the Pantheistic attempt to Perceive(Note i didn't use the word understand or Explain) This entity. Pantheism is an idea that perceives God as everything that was everything that is and everything that will be And so you can never ever try to fit that in the small box and confines of the human Mind. It is Virtually Impossible. Maybe when you begin Understand that What we call God is something that Should be perceived and NOT understood, then you can start your journey into Pantheism From there. Many Thanks for your contribution.

I'm not giving God a personality, for I am yet to be sure if He exists at all. However, if and only it exists, we are yet to know, how is He, who or what is He, why is He, Are we part of He? are we separate of He? What does He want from Us? and many more other questions. Choosing to be a pantheist, you're already defining God and how he operates, however, I do not believe we have a substantial evidence to say so. Once again, whether you believe in God exists or not, whether you even "believe" (believe that He do influence our lives) in Him, the most important thing is to live this your life to the fullest while it last.

mubbyzhe:

I'm not giving God a personality, for I am yet to be sure if He exists at all. However, if and only it exists, we are yet to know, how is He, who or what is He, why is He, Are we part of He? are separate of He? What does He want from Us? and many more other questions. Choosing to be a pantheist, you're already defining God and how he operates, however, I do not believe we have a substantial evidence to say so. Once again, whether you believe in God exists or not, whether you even "believe" (believe that He do influence our lives) in Him, the most important thing is to live this your life to the fullest while it last.

True. Thank you for this.