Dnaz:

Nobody really cares about ur interpretation of scriptures. In protestianism everyone is his own pope that's why u keep breaking into several divisions because none of u have authority.
The scriptures can only be correctly interpreted in the light of Apostolic tradition and not on sola scriptural
The Church fathers were tutored by the Apostles themselves
Ignatius of Antioch by John
Polycarp of Smyrna by John
Clement of Rome by Paul
Linus by peter.
They went on to transfer these traditions to their successors until the 4th Century When the Catholic Church through them compiled the Canon of the new testament which is Just the traditions of the Apostles that were written down. They selected them from various circulating books because they knew which ones were in line with the Teachings of the Apostles. And they Knew the correct interpretations.
So u still wouldn't have the Christian Bible without the Catholic Church and the Church fathers

The Apostles baptised households and Christ explicitly said let the little Children come to me do not stop them
Christ was raised a Jew so the issue of his parents going to baptise him does not hold water

brocab:
James White had done a good job preaching the Word of God-James smashed it, he proved the bible is our only sauce to retrieve all truth-but because the Catholic's seeks after non scriptural knowledge, "God's Word had beating the Catholic's once again protesting against Him.
If you have watched the other video-you would have seen-the bible is actually turning people away from-false religion, just like Martin Luther done.
I never retrieved these video's from any Catholic sites, these you tube video's are open to the world.
This is the video you have refused to talk about below-so let me show it to you again-and lets hear your views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOJoU9aBIg

shadeyinka:

Christ was a Jew!? And you think baptism was a Christian affair? Didn't Jews baptize?

You are just repeating yourself.

Show me how any of the Apostles sanctioned bowing down before an image (you will say you don't worship them, I hear you) or veneration of Mary or the other saints.

It looks like I am rubbing it in, and yes I am. Just to show you that many traditions other than that of the Apostles have crept in (and you follow).

Don't forget that a Prostitute was once a virgin until she started a new tradition of whoredom. When a part of christ adopts a subtle form of idolatory, I don't know what else to call it.?

Live your life by what is written rather than the traditions of men!

Dnaz:

Paul said we should hold fast to the traditions they gave us not just the WRITTEN but also the ORAL form

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
2 Thessalonians 2:15

Mark 7:8
Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men

brocab:
Does this mean the Catholic's have rewritten their own doctrine, just to refuse the bible. Do you know how the books of the bible were written and later collected, compiled and authorized (canonized) the Bible?

shadeyinka:

And it didnt dawn on you that you have missed road with your traditions.



The scriptures already spoke of you. Traditions of MEN!

Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) make graven images?
Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) bow down to the graven image of Mary?
Can you justify why you (in the name of tradition) you pray to your saints?

Idolatry is what you seek to justify and the rest of the Body of Christ will not accept it!

9inches:


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Dnaz:


5 years of schooling in a catholic school doesnt mean u know poo.
u still have not done RCIA so u dont know poo. u only criticize what u dont understand
God is not against making images , he is against worshipping other gods be it an image or air or money
God even instructed moses to build the cherubium which is a graven image.so images can be used to worship God as long as the worship is meant for him
that being we dont worship images in the catholic church. we worship God alone, we honor the theotokos and the saints just like you honor your father and mother.cos we believe their souls is in union with christ in heaven who is in union with the church.Reason why we call it the communion of saints because to us though they are dead, they are alive in christ
if Mohammed understood Trinity like that its as pitiful as your defintion of born again. you are in no way different from him, u both have perveted the teachings of the Catholic Church and God have mercy on you both

It is also pertinent to know that Protestants learnt to abhor images (iconoclasm) from Islam

Exo20:4-6
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the eearth you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God

shadeyinka:

God is not against artworks but he is against any artwork you bow to like the image of Mary. Any artwork that receives obeisance of men is an IDOL!



Your church fathers through their tradition says you can bow down to the image of Mary but don't worship it!

You are not even ashamed to say the bolded.
How are you different from the ATR who feel that God is too big hence they worship him through images?

IDOLATRY!
Harlotry of the church!!
when GOD told moses to build the ark of covenant he was advocating idolatory too?
when he said mold a serpent and look up to it, he told them to practice idolatory too?

shadeyinka:

Show me one place where the children of Is real bowed before (not worship) the ark or the cherubims on it?

Looking for excuse to continue tradition inspired idolatory?

And the bronze snake was to be bowed to as you do the image of Mary?

Dnaz:

No wahala , I ve to keep teaching you

Then Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the evening, He and the elders of Israel; and they put dust upon their heads.
Joshua 7:6
So u see how Joshua and the elders of Israel Venerated the Ark of The Lord. If it were Catholics, u ll scream idolatory
There is lot u are still ignorant of, even in the Bible

shadeyinka:

So the image of Mary is the Carrier of Mary's spirit?
You just proved that Marys image is an idol

Idolatory is Idolatory.

It cannot be justified.

shadeyinka:

I am not ignorant of what catholics believes: I spent 5 years of my Life in a Catholic School. Attended all your masses and learnt a lot of your doctrines.

I asked you to justify making graven images and bowing down to them (a direct violation of the scriptures)

Is this not idolatry?

Islam came up because of you guys.
You know what Mohammed saw?
He thought that the Trinity of God was God, Mary and Jesus. It shows how well you communicated Christ!

9inches:


Check the owner of the youtube channel. This video has been removed from every protestant site or channel because they realized James White was trashed in the debate. Not even a single non-Catholic site or channel, wow!

the second video, are they Catholics? What's your point?

shadeyinka:

Islam came up because of you guys.
You know what Mohammed saw?
He thought that the Trinity of God was God, Mary and Jesus. It shows how well you communicated Christ!

shadeyinka:

I am not ignorant of what catholics believes: I spent 5 years of my Life in a Catholic School. Attended all your masses and learnt a lot of your doctrines.

I asked you to justify making graven images and bowing down to them (a direct violation of the scriptures)

Is this not idolatry?

Islam came up because of you guys.
You know what Mohammed saw?
He thought that the Trinity of God was God, Mary and Jesus. It shows how well you communicated Christ!

brocab:
We all know first hand-If I had retrieved the video out from a Catholic site-the video wouldn't even exist, and for the second Video-are they Catholic's, I believe they were at one stage, as they have obviously studied Catholicism, because they know the in's and out's about the history of the Roman Catholic Church.
But you will never know this, because you aren't ready to listen to no body outside your self righteous behaviour.
James White is everywhere on you tube, not only the Catholic site, as you claim-but debating against the the JW's too, and everyone who is against the Word of God..

9inches:

The protestants are ashamed to leave the debate video on their platforms. James White is happy debating denominations he could easily defeat, like JW. I already told you, bring me any Catholic teaching from authentic Catholic source, not individual Catholics or ex-catholics who may or may not know a lot about the Church. Any church that started more than 1000 years after Christ is on its own a man made church and of course not of Christ. This is for no other reason other than the fact that Christ instituted His Church on earth before departure and gave His disciples authority with Peter the leader. Christ's Church was instituted in the first century, not after 1400 years of the Church's existence! The great commission and Authority Christ bestowed upon the Church has never transferred to anywhere. Read some history; don't allow individuals who have no solid foundation and history brainwash you into a Martin Luther acolyte.

brocab:
The problem with your asking, I don't have to leave this Page to find X Catholic's

9inches:
The problem with you is you don't know what you are arguing against.

9inches:
The problem with you is you don't know what you are arguing against.

brocab:
AND YOU DO? JUST LIKE YOUR FIRST POPE, SIMON MAGUS! Claiming it to be Simon Peter..

9inches:

You just confirmed my statement. Let me know when you have an argument on any authorized catholic teaching.

brocab:
Why do Protestants know the Word of God-and Catholicism don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnYSs89qpnU

brocab:
Who's arguing? Well if you had something I could go by, something with a little knowledge, I have watched your video's, and there is nothing in them that has anything to do with Christ.
Which of course it leaves me wondering about, trying to find something that may interest you, of course none of it does.
Those sites you have given me, I had told you, if they were about Christ I would be interested, don't you believe in Christ yourself well enough to even want to try and support your theories, you give me sites, without the message-sites that drag on and on, not going anywhere, and you expect me to follow up on What?
Give me directions that's in those sites, but if you were to prove you are a believer in Christ, then give me sites, that can prove your theory.
Don't leave me posted-give me something about your authorized Catholic teachings, did you like the 2 page truth about the Catholic Church,
it was a great finding-and it is detailed in scripture. Unless you can prove the bible is wrong, and your Church is right?
You ask why do protestants hate Catholic's, haven't you watched Lizzie, she hates protestants.
The problem is 9 inches, we can go on for ever with these theories of yours, I am still waiting for you to open up a door-to prove your facts, but it seems you keep on pushing your facts over to someone else, to explain for you, but they aren't explaining these facts-not the facts I need.
See what you don't understand is, God sent His Spirit to teach us all things, in Word and in truth.
{2 Timothy 3:15-17} From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

Dnaz:

Protties don't even know What the word of God is, they think its a book.
The Word of God is not Written and Mute rather it s incarnate and Living

9inches:


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