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Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 6:08pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Kay17:Yes indeed, God is all sufficient, that's why He doesn't need man, but man can not do without God, for outside of Him, man has no purpose. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Kay17: 6:23pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Emmanystone: The underlying premise is that God is self sufficient and by that character of self sufficiency man can not add or increase God. Hence man has no purpose to God and God wouldn't bother to create man as a result. God wouldn't need to create anything again for the reason of his self sufficiency. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 7:28pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Kay17:Lolzzz. No girl. You got it all wrong. I think the question you shd be asking is 'Why did God create man?' He didn't create man because he is lacking something which only man can argument, or is there any other reason or purpose He did? Pls let me know because, your underlining premise is, 'If God is self sufficient, then He didn't need to create man'. You don't tell Him what or not to do. For instance, you and your likes, rejects Him all day. You not only reject Him, but proceed to malign Him. He gets nothing from you. Nothing in Him has diminished, (except you'd say it has, then you'd ve to tell me). Yet, His complacent love is still showered on you. You still freely breath His air, get warmth from His Sun. His rain still fall on you. When you have sex, you'd get pregnant and have a Child. What has He lost by your rejection of Him. It is from this premise you shd ask yourself if God really needs man, and if Yes, what for? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by budaatum: 7:34pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
The question, "What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life?" is flawed, in my opinion, or it does not mean what is implied. Wiki gives the following definition for life Life is a characteristic that distinguishes physical entities that do have biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from those that do not, either because such functions have ceased, or because they never had such functions and are classified as inanimate. Various forms of life exist, such as plants, animals, fungi, protists, archaea, and bacteria. It is further stated that: It is a challenge for scientists and philosophers to define life. This is partially because life is a process, not a substance. Any definition must be general enough to both encompass all known life and any unknown life that may be different from life on Earth. From the above, one can see the difficulty. It does not help also that many might understand the question implied is actually "What is the purpose of living?" but since that is not what op asked, let me not deviate (unless op wants to say that is what is meant). |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Nobody: 7:48pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
budaatum: Sometimes, the meaning and purpose of something cannot be separated. So please, go ahead |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Kay17: 8:29pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Emmanystone: For what use was man created for? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 8:45pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Kay17:You are still at the point of 'Use'. When you use the word 'Use' you'll still be implying God has use for man. God has no use for man, for God was complete in Himself before He created man. Man adds nothing to God. We don't improve him. If we do, He wouldn't create and keep us in a different reealn from Himself. He created us for us. That's why He gave us everything to be like Him in our own realm. But to navigate our realm, we needed to depend on Him, for created the world and us. Ask yourself this. Why is the human baby the only creature that is so helpless at birth. Every other animal begins fending for themselves right from birth. Even a snake as seeminly vulnerable as it is, begins looking for food immediately it begins to breath, but a human child gets up to two years to know how to care for it self. Why? The reason is, God has made it so. We are helpless hence; depend on Him for everything. The Human baby can only cry out of helplessness to get attention, even adults. It is that helplessness that makes you think 'there's no God, for if there is, this and that shd be in place'. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by CuteMadridista: 8:54pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
^^^ "He created us for us" 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by CuteMadridista: 9:02pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
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Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by tintingz(m): 9:16pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Emmanystone:In a nutshell, God has no reason for creating humans? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Kay17: 9:23pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Emmanystone: I would rephrase my question what use does God have for man to have use for himself? |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 10:12pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Kay17:I see this as dishonesty. What is 'What use does God have for man to have use for himself? Lolzzz. Kay, ask yourself this. How many years has it been since you decided there was no God? How has that affected God? Has it taken anything from God? If it has then you shd know you are useful to God, if not shouldn't it tell you God doesn't need you to be God? How many yrs did you spend on earth while believing there was God? of what use were you to God then? Let's get personal before going general. Of what use are you to God today? Do you think God created man to compliment Himself? Stop being dishonest and ask the right question, you shall get the right answers. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 10:24pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
tintingz:The question i expected her or you to ask is, Why did God create man?'. Not making it seem like man can help God or God created man to help accomplish something. Man is very important to God, but God can do absolutely without Man. He was the last thing God created. Shouldn't that teach you something? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 10:28pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:Yes he did. If not, what do you do for Him? You personally, what have you ever done to add to God? And, if there's one single human being who has done anything to improve God, let me know. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by tintingz(m): 11:06pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Emmanystone:That was my question, why did God create humans? Any reason? |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 11:12pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
tintingz:My ba3 is out now. We shall do this tomorrow. Good nite. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by budaatum: 11:14pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
Perspectives:"Meaning" and "purpose" hardly ever mean the same thing. Try it with "combustion engine", see what you come up with. That said, "Purpose of life"? None really. Most living things, humans specifically, just occupy space and consume resources to remain alive. In effect, one could say the sole purpose of life is to live. If humans weren't in existence, the planet would most likely go on much better than with them in it. Even birds and goats probably serve a better purpose, birds by spreading seeds and goats by mowing the grass. Trees however help maintain a balance between CO2 and Oxygen. There is one important difference between human beings and trees and birds. Birds and trees don't choose a purpose while human beings can. Some humans choose to make the world less bad than if they did nothing, whilst some choose to make the world much worse than it would have been if they actually ate, slept and eventually just died. Regardless, all living things contribute towards the making of manure, in the end, whether they choose it as a purpose or not. Whether that manure makes up for what they consume is debatable though. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 9:23am On Mar 26, 2018 |
tintingz:The question 'WHY DID GOD CREATE MAN' or, 'WHAT IS MAN'S purpose ON Earth?'. Let's see what the creator who created man says. WHY DID GOD CREATE MAN?=== FOR FELLOWSHIP, FOR RELATIONSHIP. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis:2:19 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. Genesis:3:8 God created man to have a family of a different specie to do things together with. He created man to have a different kind of interaction, from the one he has with Angels. Something like this, YHWH== 'Adam, i will create, you will name". Adam== Yes, Lord. YHWH comes in the cool of the day for a visit. Adam: Lord, this is a beautiful garden, so many fruits. I get confused from choosing which one to eat sometimes YHWH: Oh, that should not be a problem, you can all of them except that one over there, it is poisoned, and poison kills. Adam: Okay Lord. YHWH: What did you call that creature over there? Adam:, Oh, Lion, i called it Lion. YHWH: That's great work you are doing here. Did you See fellowship? PURPOSE= MANDATE ==Genesis 1:26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. The operative word in that verse is LET. This means allow them, do not interfere with, give them room, right, space, opportunity, power, and absolute authority to rule, dominate, the earth. The Earth was created for man just like man was created for the earth. Man was put in a garden fully stock with what he needed for sustanance, that's why every human baby is born without the innate ability to care for itself until after a time on earth. Every thing visible and invisible was already created and functional before man drew his first earth's breath. God saw this day when men will begin to think they can help and add to Him, or without them He(God) can not function, hence, He made man last. You can say to me, But, God needs man to fellowship with Him, without which God will be lonely. Man is very important to God. The question then will be, how was God coping before He created man? And how did He cope after Man declared independence and left? How is God coping now since very few persons actually fellowships with Him? There are so many so-called Christians or believers actually don't fellowships with Him, has it changed Him in anyway? Who actually benefits from that time together, Man or God?/ GOD HAS NO NEED FOR MAN, BUT MAN HAS EVERY NEED FOR GOD. Without his Complacent love, the rain won't fall on you, His sun won't shine on you. You'll plant crops they wont yield any fruits. You'll have sex and not have kids. Be grateful to God that even when you reject and insults Him everyday, he still loves you. But that love expires the day you draw your ladt breath. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by terrezo2002(m): 9:34am On Mar 26, 2018 |
Life only makes a meaning to the living. If you were nothing before you were created to be a living soul, then life can only be defined from the perspective of the creator. If there was no creator, life will not have meaning to the creatures. If God is the beginning of life, then the best definition of life is God. God said I am the God of the living. So the simplest definition of life is God. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 10:13am On Mar 26, 2018 |
budaatum:Sir, meaning can well be purpose. As a matter of fact, another word for purpose can be meaning. Meaning and purpose can be used interchangeably. These words are the synonyms of Purpose, intention, import, meaning, reason, significance, content, and even sense. So, YES, Meaning and purpose are the same. budaatum:Now, let me put down my Bible and face life from your point of view. Really? There's no purpose to Life? Why then are you living? Why haven't you killed yourself and get it done with? Why do you eat when you are hungry? Why do you sleep when you get overworked and fatigued? Why do you medicate yourself when your body breaks down? Why are sciencetist killing fellow humans in Laboratories using them as Lab Rats for experiments? Why is there Center for Disease Control? Why won't they allow us to just die off. Why fight to preserve humanity? Why protect the earth? Why are scientists trying by all means to find a cure to Cancer and other terminal diseases? Why do you strive to become someone in life? You go to school, try to come out wirh good grades to get a better job. You want to start a business and achieve a level of comfort. You marry and want children, when you don't have, you see the doctors, you do fertility this and that. Why? Why do you strive to build homes and live a good life? WHY ALL THESE IF THERE'S NO PURPOSE TO LIFE? REALLYYYYYY. PLSSSSSSSSSS. budaatum:The question will still be WHY? budaatum:I will really appreciate if you'd sincerely answer my WHY questions. budaatum:But, i thought you said there was no purpose? What then are they choosing from? Guy, i think you just tied yourself in robes with this your assertion. You codedly just said, to those who have a purpose, they try to make the world leas bad, but those who feel there's no purpose to life, seek to desrroy it because they believe they are here to eat, sleep and just die. Take a peek at the Chinese Government and some atheists regimes that had come and gone and you'd see these tensencies. budaatum:If humans are here primarily to fertilize the soil with manure, why then don't we allow our sick children die and contribute manure for us? Why medicate them? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 10:15am On Mar 26, 2018 |
terrezo2002:Godbless you Sir |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by terrezo2002(m): 10:20am On Mar 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Amen. God bless you too Sir |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by budaatum: 11:14am On Mar 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Guess I was stuck in a literal frame hoping for non-ambiguity. In religious discussions it helps to be specific. Thanks for the educating. Emmanystone:I live because I was born, basically. The fundamental purpose of my being alive is to live. That's not to say I have no purpose for living. I have chosen to do something with my life time like most afteral. Emmanystone:To live. Emmanystone:Perhaps you should have read the entire lot before jumping to conclusions? Emmanystone:Guy, I see you have not yet learned to deal with my paradox and contradictions. Existence is full of them. Emmanystone:To live, basically. To extend ours and our progeny's life. And in that living a purpose, by which to live, arises. Living is the purpose, all we do - caring for China, teaching our kids atheism, lab rats, fertility, gods, evolution etc - are all about living, to ensure we do not die. You should see the extent trees go to to not die. And they produce fruit and seed to increase their numbers. A purpose above that? Eternal life, perhaps. It would explain why some religions convince themselves its a possibility. Seems borne of an innate fear of death, in my opinion. The facts though are thus: "From earth thou came. To earth shall thou return." |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by HCpaul(m): 11:32am On Mar 26, 2018 |
if you do play video games very well, whatever those gaming characters thinks about life is what life actually is. It's just an illusion to us and a comic relief to those using us as a pawn in their intelligent game. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 11:59am On Mar 26, 2018 |
budaatum:You evaded every of my queries. So you primarily eat to grow fat in other to increase the manue in the soil when you die? Again, why then do you not succum to death so that you can fulfill the purpose of giving manure to the soil, but fight very hard medicating yourself to stay alive? Lolzzz, but you said the fundamental purpose of your being is to live(what does this even mean?). This is completely senseless. budaatum:Why is living important to you? budaatum:What conclusion might it be? budaatum:Maybe you should stop being Coy. budaatum:What then is the meaning of all that? Why do you need to have a progeny? Why do you need to teach your Chilsren atheism? For what? If life has no meaning/purpose, why are these things important to us? No wonder atheists are so depressed and bitter with everyone and everything. I went to reddit and read how atheists admits to their misery. No single one is free from depression. Some want to just commit suicide fearing a very dangerous disease may torment them in future. Oh, what a life. budaatum:Sir, shouldn't the bolded tell you that everything on earth has a purpose? Trees fight not to die, because at creation, their purpose was spoken into them, to provide food and shelter for man and beast. Lolzzzz, not believing in eternal life doesn't invalidate it. It has nothing to do with what you choose to believe. YHWH, decided He wld create the earth, He did. He decided humans will be part of the creation after creating all the animals, here we are. If he had decided you came as a Lizard, you'd ve been a reptile. But, alas, he decided you are human and male, there you are. He chose your date of birth, your gender, race, nationality, tribe and kinsmen. skin colour, height, parentage and siblings, ultimately, he chose how long you'll live on earth. When tje day of your death comes, Oga, you go die. And He said you'll stand judgement, you will. He said if you are found wanting, you'd go.to Hellfire, you'd go there without any protest. You know when i laugh at you guys? When there's a natural desarter. All your bragaddasio melts into the storm and you begin to run here and there like Ants. If you become helpless in the face of aomething as minute as the wind, what will you do before an Angel with a drawn sword? budaatum:You are quoting from a Book you don't believe in o. In that book, you'd find it talking about eternal life you scorn and purpose you deceitfully deny. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by budaatum: 1:44pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
"Buda must not be a human being! Buda must not be buda. Buda is an atheist. And that's all that buda is!?" You are trying really hard to input your own meanings to what I wrote (or perhaps my writing is so bad!). Did you read buda's response on reddit? I responded to what I felt the need to. Too much words seemed to evoke miscomprehension. "Because, buda is an atheist!"? Buda is a human being, and like everyone else, I don't eat to grow fat. I eat to sustain my life. I do not succumb to death because I live to live. I am not depressed. And I love my life, and plan to ensure it continues till I die. I may be nonsense to you, but hey, that's your opinion. I'm big enough to know that "a thing is not just what someone says it is". I don't fill children's heads with stuff they must believe (that includes gods, big bangs, evolution etc). I in fact teach not to believe stuff, but to know by checking if things are true or false. To understand, is more important than believing the facts, I say and teach that, "a thing is not just what someone says it is". And I do so because it improves their quality of life in my opinion. To me, it's about teaching to be scientific, and not just believing things with no supporting evidence, or just because it is written in one book. Do not live by the writings in one book, I say, "but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of god" You would call it atheism. I call it building on solid foundations, where the rains and the storms will not blow or wash them away. There's a book that talks about talking donkeys and bushes too and all sorts of incredible things along with eternal life. But I wouldn't claim I have evidence that any of them are true. Nor would I go about deceitfully telling anyone they are true. That said, I don't believe Alice fell through a looking glass either, but you'd find me quoting Lewis Carroll often. Emmanystone: |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by 1stSonOfLucifer(m): 3:13pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:You're wicked ooo |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by jFrankNorfleet: 3:50pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Links please 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by tintingz(m): 8:05pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Your epistle is not convincing, so God created humans just to occupy this world and at the end he will throw some inside hell(Yahweh must be very bored before doing this) and you said God has no need for man? I have not even asked why he created Satan. If God has no need for man why then does he threaten people that reject him? Why is he concern about virgins? If you have logical reason why an Almighty God created humans, kindly buzz me. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 8:06pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
jFrankNorfleet:Link to resdit? www readit.com. |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by Emmanystone: 8:16pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
budaatum:The end of the matter is that you are meaningless, what that means is that, you are useless abi? |
Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by budaatum: 10:26pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Seems so, according to you at least Sigh. |
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