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| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 10:42am On Mar 27, 2018*. Modified: 11:03am On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Your evidence to show that Moses wrote the book of Genesis is WHAT? The name of Moses was ONLY attached to the book according to tradition . There is NO evidence to show that Moses wrote the book. The fact is that Moses did NOT write the book. This is why I keep telling you that you need his spirit to understand anything about God. You read scripture as a novel but forgetting that the inspirer of those words was spiritual.So your God's back parts are the past and his face is the future abi? So John saw God's face when the verse very clearly said that no man can see God's face and live abi? Can you see how foolish you are? Or have you now turned your God to a liar like yourself? |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 10:44am On Mar 27, 2018 |
superhumanist:He is a usless remixer. His God's back parts are now the past while his face is now the future. Despite his God saying that no man cam see his face and live he still said John daw his face. See how he is remixing things uselessly. ![]() |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 10:54am On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:Face >>>>>> future. I wrote it in black and white and not in Chinese. You even wrote what i said @ the bolded but how you twisted it and read it your own way is amazing ![]() |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 11:02am On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:BUT your God said no man can see his face na. Now you are saying John saw his face. Well done. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 12:36pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:His face in that context was his literal face but regarding his hinderparts he was referring to HIS GOODNESS OR HIS GLORY. Did you not read that scripture where moses asked to see him and God said moses can only see his goodness and if anyone sees his face (real face) they would die. No mortal can see God and live. Only a spiritual man can see a spiritual God and this is why He has given us his spirit to help us comprehend him. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 12:57pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:The problem is you are a liar. Moses asked to see God's glory according to the verse and God told him he will show him his goodness. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Then Yahweh according to the verse now said that no man can see his face and live. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen God showed Moses his back parts but refused to show him his face according to the story. It is your own opinion and making that says God's back parts are the past. You also forgot that you said John saw his face which you claim is the future. Now you are shamelesslying lying thathis face here means hos real face. You are shameless as always. But other parts of the bible say Moses saw God face to face. So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11). Jacob also saw God's face. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30). |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 1:52pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:The problem with you is that you are not just a liar but also an ignorant dummy. The bible says moses SPOKE to God face to face and not SAW . This means to speak DIRECTLY TO and without an intermediary and not to see. When God spoke to moses DIRECTLY through the burning bush did moses see his face or the burning bush? Ode who cannot think. When God spoke to moses directly and gave him the commandments did moses see his face or did he see thick clouds? Jacob wrestled with an angel sent by God and not God himself. As ignorant as you are and as spiritually dead as you are, you now want to use literal translation based on your spiritually dead nature to explain what you do not even understand to me. Ogbeni go and sleep. Since God specifically said he would show his goodness to moses can you then tell me what the goodness of God is if not his creation? Is his goodness his face or his hinder parts? |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 2:14pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Too many words but no meaning at all. The bible said Jacob said he SAW God face to face. Go and argue with the writers of the bible. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30). Where did God in the verse say that he will NOT show Moses his goodness? According to the verse Yahweh only said Moses will not see hos face. No where in the verse did it say Yahweh said Moses will not see his goodness. In fact it says that hos goodness will pass before thee. Saying that his back parts are the past and his face the future is your own making. Remember you said Moses saw hos back parts which you claim to be his past and that John saw his face whichyou claim to be the future but the same verse said no one can see his face and live so how did John see his face and live if we are to go by your lie lie that his face means the future? If his face means the future then John can not see it and live as stated clearly in the verse. You remain a shameless liar. Now you want to turn your God to a liar just like you are. Weldone. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by budaatum: 4:17pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:How else can one interact with the figments of one's imagination? Just convince oneself (or allow oneself to be convinced), it is a spirit with no manifestation outside of the imagination and lie through ones teeth to validate it, basically. The Queen summed the process up prettily: "I can't believe that!" said Alice. "Can't you?" the Queen said in a pitying tone. "Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes." Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871) Try it Dalaman, and you too will go to heaven when you die. Make sure you try it with heaven too though, and redefine death to mean, 'everlasting death', or 'life' rather, for half-an-hour a day. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by superhumanist(m): 6:15pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:If you don't know, I am enjoying and bookmarking that comment of his. He will still change mouth and say that it means another thing. I have read debates about seeing God and I have never come across butterflyleo's time-travel interpretation before. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 6:30pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
superhumanist:Seriously I haven't as well. Making things up as you go is the name of the game. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 6:32pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:Your ignorance though not shocking is beyond childish to say the least. Where did I say God did not show moses his goodness? I asked you that since God showed moses his goodness is the goodness of God his hindparts? What was this goodness that God showed moses? Can you tell me then since you now have spiritual discernment as an atheist ![]() The glory of God is found in his creation. Isaiah 43:7 everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made. Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."How do we know the glory of God? It is through his creation. So let me ask you again, what is this goodness that God caused to pass before moses? ![]() Is Goodness now translated to face? God said " I will cause ALL my goodness to pass before you". That word ALL shows quantity. ALL of what? What is this ALL of his goodness Mr Ode dalaman? You are clearly showing here how you became an atheist. Your reading the bible like a novel brought you there. You forget that scripture confirms scripture and the same scripture needs a spiritual discernment. Something you never ever had. ![]() God said I WILL CAUSE ALL MY GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE YOU. His goodness ARE HIS WORKS. God said I will cause ALL MY WORKS TO PASS BEFORE YOU but will only allow you to see the beginning of my works and not the present or the future so nobody can see the future i have in store and yet live. That is what transpired. So again, using your atheist mind and logic, kindly tell me what ALL his goodness means? I am waiting. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.Cc superhumanist the second ode. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 6:36pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:Deep Ignorance is the name of your game. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 6:50pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Ogbeni, stop making things up. There are so many explanations used to explain away these verse but I've never come across your own type of nonsense. Back parts means past and face means future abi? Stop talking about spiritual discernment because nothing like that exist in reality. All you guys do is give your own personal interpretation and opinion and say it is from this elusive holy spirit. I can simply google and give you totally different explanations of this verse from other christians who claim they got it from the holy spirit but their explanations are totally different from yours. Stop yapping nonsense. From Genesis you've ran to Isaiah but you've forgotten that even Isaiah himself has claimed to have seen God. Another contradiction to the statement that o man can see God and live. In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple (Isaiah 6:1). So God said nobody will see the future and live , yet you said John saw the future. Stop displaying you madness for all to see pls. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 7:08pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:Lmao for the umpteenth time. John saw the future which was why he was able to write REVELATIONS . This face of God in that context is his creation or future creation/events as outlined by him and not his literal face. When Isaiah said he saw the lord in Isaiah 6:1 did he say he saw the literal face of God? Context is all there is. One place talks of his goodness and the other talks of a literal figure on a throne but not his face. If you say there are so many other explanations that is used to explain away those verses kindly list them here Mr ignorant liar. Drop the SO MANY other explanations here let's see ![]() You are such an ignorant dummy for sure. Isaiah clearly said the glory of God was his creation and that was why I put the scripture there for you. I am still waiting for you to tell me what God meant when he said I WILL CAUSE ALL MY GOODNESS TO PASS BEFORE YOU. And to tell me what this ALL MY GOODNESS was. ![]() You really need to stop spitting your usual nonsense everywhere in deep ignorance. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by superhumanist(m): 7:12pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Lol.....you are going to be shamed soon for your fake time travel interpretation |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 7:14pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
superhumanist:Shamed by who? You? Why not make an effort to say something sensible for once in your nairaland life. Roaming and drifting around saying inanities isn't intelligence its just you displaying your foolishness for all to see and laugh at as I have begun |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 7:20pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Superhumanist here is an assignment regarding revelations Revelations 1:1 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant JohnRevelations 1:10-19 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,Read both quoted scriptures taking note of the words in bold in verse 1 of chapter 1. Using this guide clearly tell me who or what John was talking about? ![]() |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 7:40pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Stop making nonsense up. There is no context there apart from the nonsense you just made up out of thin air. As I said I can show you pages upon pages from other christians that have explained this verse that is totally different from the nonsense you are spewing here. The bible said God showed Moses his back parts, ,you lie lie says God showed Moses the past and showed John his face which is the future. Continue. When Isaiah said he saw the lord in Isaiah 6:1 did he say he saw the literal face of God? Context is all there is. One place talks of his goodness and the other talks of a literal figure on a throne but not his face.He said he saw God sitting on his throne, Jacob clearly said he SAW God face to face. If you say there are so many other explanations that is used to explain away those verses kindly list them here Mr ignorant liar. Drop the SO MANY other explanations here let's seeOk let's go. Just a simple google search but I'll just drop a few here. 1. On this particular occasion when Moses witnessed God’s glory, God chose to exhibit such a glorious light that it would have caused death if seen directly. It was for Moses’s benefit that he received the vision, but it is not a literal description of God. http://bibleq.net/answer/5346/ 2. THE PASSAGE MEANS WHAT IT SAYS! IT IS A STRAIGHT PASSAGE! THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE GROUNDS FOR SPIRITUALIZING, ALLEGORISING, OR INTERPRETING NON-LITERALLY. BUT, SO CALLED BIBLE "EXPERTS" ROUTINELY DO EXACTLY THIS - THEY INTERPRET IT NON-LITERALLY. I AM CONVINCED THE REAL REASON FOR THIS IS THEIR COWARDESS AND/OR WICKEDNESS. SORRY TO BE SO NASTY ABOUT IT - THEY WILL NOT BRING THEMSELVES TO FACE UP TO GOD'S STARK, REAL, ACTUAL, REALITY. Exodus 31 reminds us God wrote the Ten Commandments with his finger! God has fingers. http://www.creationoutreach.com/id472.html 3. Therefore, to protect Moses, God was only going to reveal that portion of His majesty and power that was humanly possible to absorb. God communicated this plan to Moses in a way we can all understand: “You cannot look Me full in the face [it is impossible for you to know everything about Me], but I will allow you to see my back [I will reveal to you a small portion of My nature so as not to overwhelm you].” https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/God-Moses-face-to-face.html 4. Therefore, we can see that whenever God is seen in the Old Testament, it is the pre-incarnate Christ. Moses was seeing the Word before it was made flesh or became flesh in the Old Testament. https://carm.org/who-did-moses-see-in-exodus As you can see all of them are totally different from the nonsense you had up there. You are such an ignorant dummy for sure.You want me to explain your made up nonsense for you? Keep waiting. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by GoodMuyis(m): 7:45pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:And kingEbukasBlog told them last year. Now see how they arguing angrily, questioning DSM-IV manual |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Nobody: 9:56pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
superhumanist:so the only things you know are those you see, smell, hear or touch? Not different from beasts. Psalms 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 10:09pm On Mar 27, 2018*. Modified: 11:16pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
dalaman:Let me simplify by making bold what is obvious even to a child. What is this small portion of his nature that God revealed to moses? Are we talking about fingers or face? Stay on the path. What did the word do according to scripture. In genesis when the bible repeatedly said, and God said and it was so. And God said and again it was so. What was God saying? What did the word of God do in genesis? |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by superhumanist(m): 10:49pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
solite3:Tell me one thing you know that you can't see, touch, smell and hear. I await your "sensible" reply |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 11:15pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
superhumanist:There are several and even a dummy with access to google would know this. You on the landlord the hand must be lower than a dummy if even google could not help you. Tell me which of these you can see, touch, smell and hear 1. RADIO WAVES 2. DARK MATTER 3. ANTIMATTER 4. THE MIND 5. EMOTIONS 6. QUANTUM PARTICLES 7. THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE Several of these can only be perceived through their effects while we cannot see, touch, smell or hear them. So repeat your question again about one thing that we cannot see, touch, taste or smell. ![]() You obviously learned nothing in school. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by dalaman: 12:10am On Mar 28, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Ogbeni go and argue with the holy spirit that allowed your fellow christians to interpret the verse totally different from the way you did. None of them talked about God's nature or his back parts as the events that happened in the past and his face as the events that will happen in the future like you did. Go argue with the holy spirit and ask it questions. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by budaatum: 12:20am On Mar 28, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:I checked DSM-IV myself, since you refuse to provide any evidence to support your claim, and neither atheist nor atheism occur once in the entire 886 (915) pages of the document. Nor does freethinking, or unbelieving! The DSM-IV does include V62.89 Religious & Spiritual Problems and is listed as a category that can be used when the focus of clinical attention is a religious or spiritual problem. Examples include distressing experiences that involve loss or questioning of faith, problems associated with conversion to a new faith, or questioning of spiritual values that may not necessarily be related to an organized church or religious institution. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by budaatum: 12:44am On Mar 28, 2018 |
For those interested in decreasing their ignorance further, The “V code” will be a bane to Christian psychologists if it nurtures the tendency to assume that tenets of non-traditional faiths are believable only to the mentally ill or hyper-suggestible. I well remember one case where a psychiatrist against The Ramptha movement, whose leader J. Z. Knight speaks with the voices of ancient seers while in trance, said, “Any fool knows that is not true.” Christian psychologists may be convinced that psychiatrist was correct, but they should be cautious about expressing such an opinion lest someone apply the same judgment to statements made about faith in Jesus Christ. While the day of apologetics is not over, postmodern society will no longer allow using modal culture to assert proof for religious ideas. Boon and Bane for Christian Psychologists The category was called "Psychoreligious or psychospiritual problem" and was approved by the Task Force on DSM-IV in 1993, after changing its name to Religious or spiritual problem. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by budaatum: 12:51am On Mar 28, 2018 |
GoodMuyis:We are atheist. We question everything. And with some, it is rather wise that we do so. For some will say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ but they lie! |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by budaatum: 12:57am On Mar 28, 2018 |
dalaman:It's in their nature to twist the scripture to mean what they claim it means as suits them. It some form of humpty dumptyism which I doubt they can help. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 5:41am On Mar 28, 2018 |
dalaman: Now you confirm yourself to be a liar and an ignorant dummy. So none of them talked about God's nature yet your own post reads and I quote 3. Therefore, to protect Moses, God was only going to reveal that portion of His majesty and power that was humanly possible to absorb. God communicated this plan to Moses in a way we can all understand: “You cannot look Me full in the face [it is impossible for you to know everything about Me], but I will allow you to see my back [I will reveal to you a small portion of My nature so as not to overwhelm you].”So i asked you, what is this small portion of the nature of God that he revealed to moses you suddenly lost your ability to argue. ![]() Your ancestors must be proud of you. |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Butterflyleo: 5:42am On Mar 28, 2018 |
budaatum:You claim to question everything but do you question atheism? |
| Re: Chinese Woman Arrested For Preaching To President Xi by Nobody: 5:57am On Mar 28, 2018 |
superhumanist:I knew my great grand father and mother existed but I did not see, hear, smell of touch them. |
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