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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:51pm On Oct 19, 2017

oake:

Article 4 of the 10 Principles for the Establishment of Monolithic Leadership System stipulates a mandatory provision that "People shall faithfully revere the Great Leader and comrade Kim Il Sung". If this is not state religion, I wonder what it is.

POLITICAL RELIGION

And perhaps, is it not possible that it is the "totalitarian" nature of North Korea's government that is the cause of the country "doing so bad economically and otherwise" and not atheism as the OP so claimed?

That means we have to blame corruption in Nigeria as the major cause of our problems not religion right ? wink

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Jesuschrist419: 3:52pm On Oct 19, 2017

Dalam0n:

People believe that their leader is a diety and they worship him, instead of acknowledging you are busy trying to impress yourself with English. Na wa ooo.

if Kim is the God of north Korea, I think it's highly acceptable than that dead Jewish carpenter that send people to hell fire.. .

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:55pm On Oct 19, 2017

Jesuschrist419:
if Kim is the God of north Korea, what is bad? At least he is a living god and not some dead Jewish man

Kim is not a god of North Korea , there is no where in their constitution or in the Juche Ideology that refers to Kim or his ancestors as deities . I can see no atheist here understands what a cult of personality is , but its okay very little or nothing reasonable at all is expected from you guys grin

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Nobody: 3:55pm On Oct 19, 2017

oake:

Article 4 of the 10 Principles for the Establishment of Monolithic Leadership System stipulates a mandatory provision that "People shall faithfully revere the Great Leader and comrade Kim Il Sung". If this is not state religion, I wonder what it is.

And perhaps, is it not possible that it is the "totalitarian" nature of North Korea's government that is the cause of the country "doing so bad economically and otherwise" and not atheism as the OP so claimed?

Never take that Christard seriously. He never admits he's shiiting crap even when you show his reeking faeces to his face. He's incredibly dishonest and intellectually fraudulent.

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Nobody: 4:02pm On Oct 19, 2017

Dalam0n:

The thing weak me. Abeg stop mentioning science . . . . WAAATCH. The guy will come and mention you 20 times. I can't deal abeg.

You've met that lunatic. You go fear madness. grin

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by BlauGully: 4:03pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

Kim is not a god of North Korea , there is no where in their constitution or in the Juche Ideology that refers to Kim or his ancestors as deities . I can see no atheist here understands what a cult of personality is , but its okay very little or nothing reasonable at all is expected from you guys

Stop being so banally literalist. The Kim family are worshipped as gods. They are involved in mythology (it is alleged that Kim Jong-il was born on Mount Paektu at his father's secret base in 1942 (his actual birth was in 1941 in the Soviet Union) and that his birth was heralded by a swallow, caused winter to change to spring, a star to illuminate the sky, and a double rainbow spontaneously appeared.[56] - Wikipedia) There is no room for secular logic or criticism that breaches party line. The argument here is not that where or not the craziness in North Korea is a deific religion, but that claiming that North Korea is the result of an "Atheist Dark Age" is complete fallacy because North Korea's state control and cult function identically to the most conservative of religious states.

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Nobody: 4:11pm On Oct 19, 2017

OLAADEGBU:

Either you like it or not you are bound to worship one thing or the other. It's either we worship God or any of His creations. You can even worship yourselves as we all know that at the heart of atheism is the love and adoration of your sinful lifestyle.

"The Christian argument isn't about intelligent design, objective morality or the existence of God. It's about love for slavery, submissiveness, dementia, docility, retardation, stupidity, imbecility, bondage, psychological torture and sadomasochism."

I can play this game better than you, dolt. Let's go, Christardee. grin

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:12pm On Oct 19, 2017

BlauGully:

The Kim family are worshipped as gods.

Worshiped like gods not as gods . Atheists have troubles understanding English eh grin

. The quasi-worshipful adoration is due to god-like perception that has been created for the authority figure or political leader .

They are not deities , they are not gods to North Koreans , but they are venerated or worshiped like one

Same thing was done to Stalin and Hitler in the past and we know them as atheists not gods . In fact , its a common phenomenon for leaders of totalitarian governments .

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:02pm On Oct 19, 2017

BlauGully:

Actually, some of the most intelligent moments in human history have seen huge explosions in atheism, such as Pre-Platonic Greece with Democritus and the like, ancient India (which may or may not have had ancient Greek scholarly contact), ), and the Enlightenment, the French Revolution and the rise of Socialism.

I can see that atheists enjoy taking credits for what the deists did . The credits for Religious skepticism , Age of Enlightenment , French Revolution are meant for the deists mostly not atheists .

Atheism does not reject religion , arouse skepticism/religious skepticism or question religious authority . Religious skeptics were mostly deists since religious skepticism is an integral part of deism as a philosophical position .

The Islamic Golden Age (many Islamic scientists, poets and mathematicians were atheists, with many more taking an extremely critical take on the Quran, such as with the Mutazliah school

Wow

. Only very few of them .

Most of the critics of Islam never identified as atheists .Some wrote heretical books about Islam just like early Christianity faced heresies like Arianism , Luciferianism etc . Those who were indeed Muslim and authors of heretical books were often seen as critics of Islam because their views were grossly unorthodox .

Its very possible that other critics of Islam were Christian converts or were adherents of pagan religions that were practiced by non-Muslim communities in the Arab world .

An adherent of another religion can be a critic of another religion .

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:15pm On Oct 19, 2017

BlauGully:
... with many more taking an extremely critical take on the Quran, such as with the Mutazliah school)...

And I just discovered the Mu'tazilites or adherents of the Mu'tazili school were Islamic theologians who tried to take a rational view of the problem of evil - they tried to reconcile the justice of an all-powerful God with the reality of evil in the world.

This is congruous with my post which precedes this one . Critics of Islam who were mathematicians , scientists , poets were mostly Muslims themselves , Christian coverts and adherents of pagan religions in non-Muslim communities in the Arab world not atheists .

Felixomor , atheists at work again grin

. Trying to mislead people again cheesy

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by felixomor: 5:39pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

And I just discovered the Mu'tazilites or adherents of the Mu'tazili school were Islamic theologians who tried to take a rational view of the problem of evil - they tried to reconcile the justice of an all-powerful God with the reality of evil in the world.

This is congruous with my post which precedes this one . Critics of Islam who were mathematicians , scientists , poets were mostly Muslims themselves , Christian coverts and adherents of pagan religions in non-Muslim communities in the Arab world not atheists .

Felixomor , atheists at work again . Trying to mislead people again

Lol.
Their Trademark is brand new monikers grin

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by oake(m): 5:39pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

POLITICAL RELIGION

The theory of political religion concerns governmental ideologies whose cultural and political backing is so strong that they are said to attain power equivalent to those of a state religion, with which they often exhibit significant similarities in both theory and PRACTICE.
So, what differentiates it from a religion?

KingEbukasBlog:
That means we have to blame corruption in Nigeria as the major cause of our problems not religion right ?

I will get your point if you tell me that "totalitarianism" is synonymous to "corruption". grin

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Jesuschrist419: 5:58pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

I can see that atheists enjoy taking credits for what the deists did . The credits for Religious skepticism , Age of Enlightenment , French Revolution are meant for the deists mostly not atheists .

Atheism does not reject religion , arouse skepticism/religious skepticism or question religious authority . Religious skeptics were mostly deists since religious skepticism is an integral part of deism as a philosophical position .

Wow . Only very few of them .

Most of the critics of Islam never identified as atheists .Some wrote heretical books about Islam just like early Christianity faced heresies like Arianism , Luciferianism etc . Those who were indeed Muslim and authors of heretical books were often seen as critics of Islam because their views were grossly unorthodox .

Its very possible that other critics of Islam were Christian converts or were adherents of pagan religions that were practiced by non-Muslim communities in the Arab world .

An adherent of another religion can be a critic of another religion .

deist are our distant cousins, what i know for sure is that deist don't believe in the supernatural but believe in God unlike theists that keep believing in flying horses, talking donkeys and snakes

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by BlauGully: 9:05pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

And I just discovered the Mu'tazilites or adherents of the Mu'tazili school were Islamic theologians who tried to take a rational view of the problem of evil - they tried to reconcile the justice of an all-powerful God with the reality of evil in the world.

This is congruous with my post which precedes this one . Critics of Islam who were mathematicians , scientists , poets were mostly Muslims themselves , Christian coverts and adherents of pagan religions in non-Muslim communities in the Arab world not atheists .

Felixomor , atheists at work again . Trying to mislead people again

Do you think thinly vailed ad hominem makes you sound like more of an authority or something? You just come off as arrogant. And If you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, you'd realise that I had mentioned the Mutazilah in ADDITION to atheists - I never claimed that they themselves were atheists, just that they took skeptical views on the Quran (And it's believed that numerous atheists in the Islamic world LIED that they were muslims of schools like Mutazilites to avoid persecution by governments - with good reason; the late Umayyad had a succession of leaders who brutally persecuted atheists and Mutazilis alike).

Any more reading comprehension skills than that and you'd have remembered that my comment was that Atheism bloomed in historical periods credited with scientific and academic proficiency, NOT that it was the cause ("deism" wasn't either) of said periods. A tiny bit more comprendé and you'd realise that arguing whether Atheists or deists had more influence over major social revolutions is not the focus of the subject topic. The opening post posits the childish fallacy that the North Korean cult state, for all it's social control and mythology, pushes Atheism, therefore atheism = tyranny. It's quite clear that you would rather shriek about the fact that Voltaire exists and how much you hate the idea that there is no creator being, while avoiding the travesty that is the opening topic. Cherry picking saves face, after all.

Also, god doesn't fucking exist.

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:31pm On Oct 19, 2017

BlauGully:

Also, god doesn't fucking exist.

In the same vein , I could claim that people in atheist nations lie about being atheists to avoid being killed by the ravaging blood thirsty atheist tyrants . mtcheew

Anyway , which god does not exist ? The universe, the totality of everything , Zeus , Julius Caeser, or the ancient Emperors of China and Japan .

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:33pm On Oct 19, 2017

Jesuschrist419:
deist are our distant cousins, what i know for sure is that deist don't believe in the supernatural but believe in God unlike theists that keep believing in flying horses, talking donkeys and snakes

No , the deists are your parents. You guys just say stupid things .

Deists are theists too and atheists can believe in the supernatural : superstition, magic , witchcraft , fairies , voodoo etc

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by Jesuschrist419: 10:50pm On Oct 19, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

No , the deists are your parents. You guys just say stupid things .

Deists are theists too and atheists can believe in the supernatural : superstition, magic , witchcraft , fairies , voodoo etc

hopefulLandlord, 1sharon, dalaman, martenz19, segunojo886, erisunday619. Please come and see this ignorance grin

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:33pm On Oct 20, 2017

Beware of the Discoverers of the River Niger

OLAADEGBU:
In 1945, atheists in North Korea established a religious free utopian society based on 'science and reason.' Today their progress can be seen from space.

It is not true that North Korea is an atheist nation, nor did its leaders attempt to make it so. Neither is reason the leading ideology of North Korea. North Korea constantly feeds its people an opiate and the leading ideology is the Kim family.

In a way, North Korea became one big religious nation – but it also became a grave full of lies. That’s because North Korean propaganda is like its own religion. The propaganda suggests that immortality is possible through its endorsement of Kim Il-sung’s ideology. The propaganda says that while your body will perish after death, the political life is immortal. Such beliefs made Kim Il-sung the only God in North Korea — and a belief system that would sometimes demand people’s lives.

So while North Korea refuted Marxist materialism – its official ideology made Kim Il-sung a God – and in a way, it left its people to be captivated by folk religion. Guardian

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:45pm On Oct 20, 2017

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:48pm On Oct 20, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

Political religions are used by totalitarian governments to subdue the masses . They are not the religion we know like state religions and personal religions

Humpty Dumptyism
‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory,”’ Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”’
‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument,”’ Alice objected.
‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’
Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by BlauGully: 11:29pm On Oct 20, 2017

KingEbukasBlog:

In the same vein , I could claim that people in atheist nations lie about being atheists to avoid being killed by the ravaging blood thirsty atheist tyrants . mtcheew

What are you even arguing about at this point?

"Atheist nations"? By that, do you mean nations with a lot of atheists or somewhere like the Soviet Union? There are overwhelming historical archives on atheists in the ancient world who had to censor their beliefs on pain of death or persecution, and I don't think the switcharound is going to be that great of an argument against atheism, considering the overwhelming majority of countries with open atheists are secular democratic countries, Vietnam and China being exceptions to the rule.

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyway , which god does not exist ? The universe, the totality of everything , Zeus , Julius Caeser, or the ancient Emperors of China and Japan .

Quit with the weasel words.

Oxford Dictionary:

God
NOUN

1(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
Example sentencesSynonyms
2(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
‘a moon god’
‘the Hindu god Vishnu’

deism

ˈdeɪɪz(ə)m,ˈdiːɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun

belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

You don't get to define what "god" is and is not in the English language. There is NO supreme being or creator of the universe and there is absolutely NO evidence or modern reasoning to support this assertation.

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:42pm On Oct 23, 2017

budaatum:

Beware of the Discoverers of the River Niger

It is not true that North Korea is an atheist nation, nor did its leaders attempt to make it so. Neither is reason the leading ideology of North Korea. North Korea constantly feeds its people an opiate and the leading ideology is the Kim family.

In a way, North Korea became one big religious nation – but it also became a grave full of lies. That’s because North Korean propaganda is like its own religion. The propaganda suggests that immortality is possible through its endorsement of Kim Il-sung’s ideology. The propaganda says that while your body will perish after death, the political life is immortal. Such beliefs made Kim Il-sung the only God in North Korea — and a belief system that would sometimes demand people’s lives.

So while North Korea refuted Marxist materialism – its official ideology made Kim Il-sung a God – and in a way, it left its people to be captivated by folk religion. Guardian

North Korea promotes state's sponsored atheism. cool

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/religious-beliefs-in-north-korea.html

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 2:42pm On Oct 24, 2017

OLAADEGBU:

North Korea promotes state's sponsored atheism.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/religious-beliefs-in-north-korea.html

I hear you. However, I could only claim North Korea is an atheist nation if I fudged the facts or believed the propaganda. It is obvious that the Kim Jon family have deified themselves and created a religion to worship too.

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by rekinomtla(m): 4:31pm On Oct 24, 2017

Atheism, such a disgusting ideology.

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:27am On Oct 26, 2017

rekinomtla:

Atheism, such a disgusting ideology.

Even the devils would dear not make that mistake.

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by rekinomtla(m): 7:11am On Oct 27, 2017

OLAADEGBU:

Even the devils would dear not make that mistake.

Shows how lost an atheist is.

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:39pm On Oct 30, 2017

rekinomtla:

Shows how lost an atheist is.

And they don't even know it. undecided

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:20am On Jun 04, 2018

OLAADEGBU:

In 1945, atheists in North Korea established a religious free utopian society based on 'science and reason.' Today their progress can be seen from space.

The light is about to be switched on. Thank God for President Trump. cheesy

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:14am On Jun 13, 2018

Thank God for President Trump. The lights in North Korea are about to be switched on. May all 'Nairaland atheists' see the light of the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Re: Atheist Dark Ages by CAPSLOCKED: 8:30am On Jun 17, 2018

OLAADEGBU:

You should know the difference between islam and Christianity before you begin to mix up your facts.

ONE IS BASED ON VIOLENCE, GREED AND THE SUBJUGATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE OTHER IS ISLAM. undecided

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Re: Atheist Dark Ages by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:42am On Oct 10, 2019

CAPSLOCKED:

ONE IS BASED ON VIOLENCE, GREED AND THE SUBJUGATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE OTHER IS ISLAM.

Religion is different from Christianity.

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