Ykol:
Through Jesus Christ our lord
Amen!!amen!!amen
By the grace of all mighty God
Amen!! Amen!!!Amen!!!
Pastors dress na em dey fine pass but it hard for my people to buy soap
Pastors na em dem dey give respect pass but dem go dey do bad bad!!!!!
RIP Fela anikulapo kuti

Pastors are the minisers of gospel and deserved to be taken good care of, but it is evil for any one of them to enrich themselves at the expense of the poor congregation.

bozzyjoan:


I Am talking about tithe and u r here talking abt 10 comandment.Jesus gave us a new commandment which he said and i qoute " A new commandment that i give unto u,that ye love one another as i have loved u, that ye also love one another. If u love christ u wil KP his commandment and my frnd u knw what if u truely blv wat u read in malachi u wnt b here aruguing with me as if it was me that wrote doze words. So bro Pay your tithe or u dnt pay dat is your business. Keep d 10 commandment and dnt pay tithe u knw where u r heading with dat verse.

The ten commandments and all other commandments from the Genesis to Malachi don't interest you because they are of no importance anymore. but "pay tithe" as a "commandment" in Malachi is where your interest lie. That is the commandment that if you don't obey,you will go to hell.

People like you is why pastorprenure is a lucrative business in Nigeria

Culin:


Have you eaten today? Abi na your slow brain no make you understand wetin I type?

Ask ur mum and papa that first

ebenholer:

Do not expect anyone to convince u on this, heart changing work can only be done by the holy spirit.
In Mark 12:41, Jesus and His observation of the widow's gift teaches us that there are no excuses for not giving either in form of offering or tithing.. We may say that our income is too small or that the church does not really need our money; but what a great deal of blessing would come to the Lord’’s work everywhere if we would first set aside that which belongs to Him –- which after all is His due! –- look up 2 Corinthians 8:5.

You see, I'm not against giving to the church, as I've explained earlier.

2Cor. 8:5
KJV:And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

Mark 12:41
KJV:And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

Absolutely nothing wrong giving to the church, even more than 10%. Please note that this clarification is on tithe payment as done in Mal 3:10 among the Israelites. Your references are basically on giving to the church, which I have absolutely nothing against.

You see I'm a Christian too, and give donations at free will, but do not impress a doctrine that is not of Christ on me.

I will appreciate if you must respond, please do it in accordance to tithing and not the general willful giving, which everyone, not just Christians should imbibe. So, we do not go back and forth without purpose.

I'm willing to learn here.

eagleonearth:
What human beings should understand is that there are deities and there is a supreme Deity that has priests. His priests close to Him definitely hear him and relate with him. When God called people who don't tithe ROBBERS, he wasn't joking. If you rob a bank and get caught, you will be jailed in Kirikiri and you think you will go free when you rob the Almighty??. And if you're not born again, tithe or not, no heaven for you. If you're born again, it's devilish for you not to tithe. Take 9 portions and release just one. If you find it hard, you're not worthy of heaven. Critique me all you can, I've said what I said.

How on earth do people who call themselves Christians happily sleep at night after preaching the exact opposite of what is in the bible?... Since when did dreams and visions and revelations supersede what's clearly written in the bible?... What sort of end time Christianity is this?... What is left is for the Church council of 2018 to now set up a committee to re-write/upgrade the bible.

It is understood that the church needs funds to offset operational costs, it is also understood that giving a tithe/a tenth of one's income to the running of the church is a noble deed which God would certainly reward, but mounting the exalted altar and preaching to believers that whosoever does not pay tithe will be condemned to hell, that is obviously a lie from the pulpit.

By saying that a new covenant believer MUST pay a tithe in order to make heaven, that basically amounts to a denial of the sacrifice made by Christ on the cross. Any individual who says Christ's death on the cross did not 'fulfil the laws' on behalf of mankind, any person who still argues/preaches that Christ's death on the cross did not cancel the debt of the laws as conveyed in Colossians 2:14, such a person isn't different from the Jewish rabbis who till today do not still believe Jesus as the messiah; such a person is simply not a Christian.

The practice of MANDATORY tithing was a Mosaic laws given to the Jews, there is no other place where tithing was mandatory in the bible besides in the Mosaic laws. And that mosaic covenant ended the day Christ was nailed to the cross. In the book of Acts 15:5-11, after the Gentiles had received the word of God and were saved, the church council made up of the hypocritical Pharisees and Sadducees and Scribes brought up a decree that the Gentile Christians must be physically circumcised and made to keep the laws of Moses which includes the mandatory tithing requirements. But the Apostles led by Peter stood up in the council and shot down the proposition; these where the exact words of Apostle Peter: "Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?"

Any Christian who preaches today that we Nigerians as Gentile Christians are still under the Laws of Moses by threatening believers with Malachi 3:8-10, such a person is simply contradicting the Gospel of the original Apostles who were with Jesus. I find it extremely disheartening that we still have a lot of Nigerian ministers of the word who read these things but still go ahead to threaten believers with curses of the laws of Moses even though the bible in the book of Galatians 3:13 clearly states it that Christ through his death on the cross has saved us believers from the curse of the law.

The lure for money is truly capable of derailing anything.. God help us all!

ebenholer:

Either giving is not mechanical or electrical , the point still stands at God/Jesus loves giving even cheerful giving. Can u ask who the money Jesus was supervising in the book of Mark meant for, for the poor u think, priest or others? There was no record of the woman who gave all questioning how the money she gave was going to be spent.

Yea ,emphasis on "cheerful". I agree 100%.

I didn't know Jesus supervised money , where can I find his in the bible, thamks

Femsyn:


You see, I'm not against giving to the church, as I've explained earlier.

2Cor. 8:5
KJV:And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

Mark 12:41
KJV:And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

Absolutely nothing wrong giving to the church, even more than 10%. Please note that this clarification is on tithe payment as done in Mal 3:10 among the Israelites. Your references are basically on giving to the church, which I have absolutely nothing against.

You see I'm a Christian too, and give donations at free will, but do not impress a doctrine that is not of Christ on me.

I will appreciate if you must respond, please do it in accordance to tithing and not the general willful giving, which everyone, not just Christians should imbibe. So, we do not go back and forth without purpose.

I'm willing to learn here.

Tithing is a form of giving. You can give the act of giving any name, but will still remain surrending portions of our earnings to God either in tithing form or offering form. Do not be confused my brother, giving in any form is one of the basis of our spirituality, Christ himself was given as a sacrificial lamb to wipe off the sins of world...John 3:16

olowolekana:
Baba Adeboye is spot on. The Bible is a living word of God. It's clear that anyone who fails to pay tithes and offerings won't go to Heaven. The word of God is clear. If you need any clarification, seek God.

Where exactly in the bible?... Give me 1 verse and I will give you 10 verses to prove that you are wrong. By the way, a most simple way to seek God as you advised is through his word in the bible, so please let's focus on the bible only and not some 'dream' or 'vision' or some 'revelation' seen by one person in 2018.

0monnak0da:
Yea ,emphasis on "cheerful". I agree 100%.

I didn't know Jesus supervised money , where can I find his in the bible, thamks

Mark 12:41

ebenholer:

Tithing is a form of giving. You can give the act of giving any name, but will still remain surrending portions of our earnings to God either in tithing form or offering form. Do not be confused my brother, giving in any form is one of the basis of our spirituality, Christ himself was given as a sacrificial lamb to wipe off the sins of world...John 3:16

You don't have the answer to my questions.

Shalom.

EnEnPeecee:
this dady freezer na ogu go punish u

Na Ogun you dey worship now?

Culin:


Shun sir! I hail thee, professor or Linguistics! Professor of stupidity.

You don't need to insult mi for a simple correction. It shows ur level of breeding. I'm sure you can't tell mi that if I were standing before you

Buckubuck:

You don't need to insult mi for a simple correction. It shows ur level of breeding. I'm sure you can't tell mi that if I were standing before you

Will you Keep quiet there, oga corrector, you want to tell me you didn't know what I meant. Jesus Christ's defender. Carry your sabi sabi and go and correct someone who needs it.

Pastor Adeboye nnnow!
Haba, you fall my hand o.

Why threatening people with heaven and hell fire over tithe when the Jesus Christ death on the cross of Calvary has redeemed us all from the law for those who accept Jesus as their personal Saviour

Even though church need money to run things but it should be voluntarily.
People are hungry... So much poverty in the land.

And I'm still confuse why he has refused to step down, old age is counting on him.

Pastor Adeboye is a man of God. Don't think u can joke wit his anointing. Any pastor dat tells u nt to pay ur tithe might nt b receiving instructions from God. Point of correction the scripture abt d tithe was God himself speaking. Jesus has nt come to eradicate d instructions of his father.

Culin:


Will you Keep quiet there, oga corrector, you want to tell me you didn't know what I meant. Jesus Christ's defender. Carry your sabi sabi and go and correct someone who needs it.

I understand you better now. Since ur skin is averse to learning, I apologise for invading ur bliss. You may now be rest assured that ur simpleness of mind is well documented.
It is because I know wat you meant that I felt the need to correct you. The purpose of correcting you was to make a general correction for those who do not know. If you observe, while you're the first to use that term on this thread, you're not the last; which goes to show the popularity of that misconception among members of redeemed church.

Femsyn:


You don't have the answer to my questions.

Shalom.

I don't expect to have answer to ur question but the holy spirit will. He alone can give u a better understanding to have a true view of biblical concepts on giving either in fixed-percent form (tithing) or at varying amount form.

Bible has caped it all that he who sow sparingly will definitely reap the same and when u sow bountifully u reap bountifully the same. Your giving habit cannot be limited by tithing, but tithing is just telling u the lowest level God expect u to give if at all u are convicted to give. People of God have willlingly given 100% of their salary instead of 10% as tithes to God. There is absolutely no part of our resources should be left in serving God even ur life is not precious than the glory awaiting u in heaven. It is high time we stop wasting time on unnecessities about whether tithing is compulsory or not. Give according to the measure of ur faith but your faith measure must be nothing less than 10% of your income each time.

Nasa28:


Are you a Pharisee? After death of Christ, we were able to approach God through Jesus

My brother, I am a firm believer in Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
God bless.

My point is, don't let anyone deceive you. The Holy Spirit expressly says that in the last days, people will gather around and tell themselves what their own ears are itching to hear. Even if they are stealing the tithes, who made me judge over them? Every man will face the Lord one on one on the last day.

Stand firm, obey God rather than men, my brothers in Christ. Tithes is biblical and the scriptures can never be broken.

nosagold:
My point is, don't let anyone deceive you. The Holy Spirit expressly says that in the last days, people will gather around and tell themselves what their own ears are itching to hear. Even if they are stealing the tithes, who made me judge over them? Every man will face the Lord one on one on the last day.

Stand firm, obey God rather than men, my brothers in Christ. Tithes is biblical and the scriptures can never be broken.

Per the bolded, it's nice to know that the scriptures "can never be broken"... just a quick question, what of the following instructions given by God? are Christians expected to obey them too since the scriptures can never be broken?

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

If you are not doing these, what could be your reasons?

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, it's nice to know that the scriptures "can never be broken"... just a quick question, what of the following instructions given by God? are Christians expected to obey them too since the scriptures can never be broken?

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

If you are not doing these, what could be your reasons?

Those things were done under the old covenant with Moses. When the blood of animals was the atonement for sins. But we have the blood of the Son of God, the Mediator of a better covenant. That is why we have so much freedom in Him. The only reason why I'm replying you is so that people will not be deceived. Christ Jesus gave instructions about the new order of things for us just as the Father told Him.
Please before you read a passage, read some verses before that so you can understand the context.
This is the last time I will reply. God bless.

nittasha:
dnt blaspheme a man of God notwithstanding wat he says

Am I a man of Satan? Am I not a man of God? Let him stop canvassing for funds thru lies.

AllforJesus7:


You are the one who is drunk or you are the one living in delusion.


It is clear that Jesus commanded it in Matt 23 vs 23.

Are you also without understanding? Jesus Christ death ended the requirement of the law. Rom 10:4

Don't allow yourself to be deluded. Heb 7:8-12

8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

The law has been set aside (heb 7:18), included in the law is its requirement that you pay tithe. It was a sin not to do so, but the law has been changed after Christ paid with his blood and set the law aside. No true christian is under the law. The Matthew you quoted is when Christ was alive and the law was then effective. Christ's death ended it.

Let him stop that rubbish.

nosagold:


Those things were done under the old covenant with Moses. When the blood of animals was the atonement for sins. But we have the blood of the Son of God, the Mediator of a better covenant. That is why we have so much freedom in Him. The only reason why I'm replying you is so that people will not be deceived. Christ Jesus gave instructions about the new order of things for us just as the Father told Him.
Please before you read a passage, read some verses before that so you can understand the context.
This is the last time I will reply. God bless.

Per the bolded, was tithing practiced by the early christians under the new covenant Jesus ushered in?

Do you remember how the controversy in the early church was resolved when some trouble makers were insisting that gentile christians had to be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Laws (including tithing) in order to be saved?

Do you recall the Apostles response to this controversy? It's in Acts 15... the difference between Judaism and Christianity was clearly spelt out there

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, was tithing practiced by the early christians under the new covenant Jesus ushered in?

Do you remember how the controversy in the early church was resolved when some trouble makers were insisting that gentile christians had to be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Laws (including tithing) in order to be saved?

Do you recall the Apostles response to this controversy? It's in Acts 15... the difference between Judaism and Christianity was clearly spelt out there

Those people just wanted to create confusion in the Church. Moses taught a circumcision made with hands, Jesus taught a Circumcision of the heart, not made with hands.

My guy, as I said before, Jesus has talked about everything concerning the new covenant and he did speak on tithes.

God does not delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, He does not need your money. He is in heaven, we are on earth. If we give or not, how will it affect him? But the Bible says "Honor God with your wealth and with the first fruit of your substance". Tithes are biblical, you can choose not to pay it but if you mislead people, you are bringing judgement upon yourself.

nosagold:



Those people just wanted to create confusion in the Church. Moses taught a circumcision made with hands, Jesus taught a Circumcision of the heart, not made with hands.

My guy, as I said before, Jesus has talked about everything concerning the new covenant and he did speak on tithes.

God does not delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, He does not need your money. He is in heaven, we are on earth. If we give or not, how will it affect him? But the Bible says "Honor God with your wealth and with the first fruit of your substance". Tithes are biblical, you can choose not to pay it but if you mislead people, you are bringing judgement upon yourself.

Do you know how God instructed tithes to be paid? If you are running contrary to God's instruction to do tithing the way you think as opposed to how exactly He instructed it.. do you know you are disobeying God?

First for the records, tithe was never paid monetarily. Even the glorious era of Solomon never changed the basis of what should be tithed.

TITHING PRINCIPLES THE WAY GOD INSTRUCTED SHOULD BE DONE WAS RECORDED IN THE MOSAIC LAWS IN DEUTERONOMY 14 V 22-29


22 “You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year.
23 And you shall eat before the Lord your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.
24 But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the Lord your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the Lord your God has blessed you,
25 then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses.
26 And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.
27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
28 “At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates.
29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.



Going by the above,

1) Tithe was never instructed by God to be paid monetarily
2) Tithe was meant to be offered up to God via the Priests (i.e Levites) and subsequently consumed by the tither, the Priest, the Widows and the Fatherless



Are you following God's instruction on tithing (which is unrealistic today - even the Jews cannot do it) or are you following the instructions of men telling you to pay monetarily

nosagold:


Those things were done under the old covenant with Moses. When the blood of animals was the atonement for sins. But we have the blood of the Son of God, the Mediator of a better covenant. That is why we have so much freedom in Him. The only reason why I'm replying you is so that people will not be deceived. Christ Jesus gave instructions about the new order of things for us just as the Father told Him.
Please before you read a passage, read some verses before that so you can understand the context.
This is the last time I will reply. God bless.

Tthes are under whch Covenant?

nosagold:



Those people just wanted to create confusion in the Church. Moses taught a circumcision made with hands, Jesus taught a Circumcision of the heart, not made with hands.

My guy, as I said before, Jesus has talked about everything concerning the new covenant and he did speak on tithes.

God does not delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, He does not need your money. He is in heaven, we are on earth. If we give or not, how will it affect him? But the Bible says "Honor God with your wealth and with the first fruit of your substance". Tithes are biblical, you can choose not to pay it but if you mislead people, you are bringing judgement upon yourself.

Per the bolded, yes of course. He made reference to tithing when admonishing the Pharisees for focusing on trivial matters at the expense of more critical priorities... and I wonder how that translates into approval for tithing (which was never done monetarily as per God's instruction) under the new Covenant...

Any records of Jesus collecting tithes from His followers? after all He is the Son of God...

If He never collected tithes...then by whose authority are these men of God who claim to follow Jesus collect tithes?

DEAR PEOPLE, DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY ANY THIEF.

A quick research on how Tithing was practiced by the Jews revealed that money was not at all involved in the process...neither was everyone eligible to pay tithe...e.g . fishermen or laborers...

Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.