Before the regions were dissolved

Good a thing it's now understood that it was Gowon, and not Ironsi who dissolved the regions.

I think with the above understanding pressed home and stamped, I can now take my leave from this thread and allow you Yorubas sort yourselves out on the issue of discus of the thread, before you brought the diversion.

BabaRamota1980:


Read what i said....if the FG is vacating.....
I dont need to say much.

What you termed sentiment is what security analysts will call factor for consideration.

You talk about security in an airport where luggage are regularly stolen HahahahaYou have not said anything about tthe fact that we have foreigners handling security at the airport TODAY

You cannot choose which facts you like or find convenient.

Nigerians are totally corrupt and corrptible so airport security cannot be any different whoever owns the airport.

Security should be provided by the police. However flights to the US were suspended until the US were allowed to have a say in what happens in Ikeja airport.

If you are not aware find out. Life is not abot armchair theories but fact based reality.

Ownership of airport has very little to do with secuirty. hat is a FG function just like ownership at even more sensitive installations in the oil industry. Security at heathrow airport is rovided by the goverment mainly. The government does not own the airport.

0monnak0da:
When you say "too expensive" do you have a figure in mind. Do you have any facts?

Again whether it is "necessary" should be based on facts i.e. feasibility studies that model population growth, economic growth and the current capacity. by capacity I mean runway capacity i.e what is the maximum possible traffic volume that Ikeja can handle and what are the future projections.
Personally not only do I think it is necessary I think there is need for at least two more airportsin the SW but that is just me

I believe the Lekki airport will serve as the second main international gateway into the SW.

0monnak0da:



You talk about security in an airport where luggage are regularly stolen HahahahaYou have not said anything about tthe fact that we have foreigners handling security at the airport TODAY

You cannot choose which facts you like or find convenient.

Nigerians are totally corrupt and corrptible so airport security cannot be any different whoever owns the airport.

Security should be provided by the police. However flights to the US were suspended until the US were allowed to have a say in what happens in Ikeja airport.

If you are not aware find out. Life is not abot armchair theories but fact based reality.

Ownership of airport has very little to do with secuirty. hat is a FG function just like ownership at even more sensitive installations in the oil industry. Security at heathrow airport is rovided by the goverment mainly. The government does not own the airport.

My brother, Im talking about geo-political security abeg. Physical security is what you are describing.

Physical security is the result of implementing a policy on security. Those who guard the airport are employees of a contractor and can be released or retained. The entity responsible for dictating that policy will be Western Governors.

Think broadly beyond ordinary security agent abeg.

BabaRamota1980:


My brother, Im talking about geo-political security abeg. Physical security is what you are describing.

Physical security is the result of implementing a policy on security. Those who guard the airport are employees of a contractor and can be released or retained. The entity responsible for dictating that policy will be Western Governors.

Think broadly beyond ordinary security agent abeg.

Talk is very cheap on the internet . Let us leave all these PhD theses of geological and celestial security.

We are talking about concessioning of an airport.

That same Celestial security applies to the FPSO s that are billion dollar installations off the coast of Nigeria .

Total's Egina is a more than $3 billion installation. so let us not use bluster or bamboozle that would work with the uninformed.

With respect your "geopolitical" security is just hullaballoo

The governors will not have any say in dictating airport security that is total nonsense.

There will be Immigration,NDLEA,DSS, police and customs as Well as the Airforce and NIA at the airport AS USUAL


Their command structure will have nothing to do with airport ownership as is the case elsewhere.
There are cases where private companies print currency and other government documents under security cover of the government.
Nuclear power plants are run by private businesses but the government ensures the security of the plant and nuclear material

Ownership of sensitive businesses and their security can be successfuully separated

Para-military presence at the Airport is part of physical security at the borders or point of entry. That part of it is national security and will not go away.

If FG vacates concessions at that airport it makes good sense that Yoruba Governors step in as primary caretaker.

We have a precedence to reference in the circumstance of Babalakin taking over concession of Domestic Wing at the airport. You should go back and review the attempts by Stealer Oduah when she was Aviation Minister and her collusion with President Jonathan to sack Babalakin's contract and re-award the concession contract. Guess what they had in mind? To remove the Yorubaman and give it to an Iboman. They did not succeed. Imagine such a strategic place of value in Yorubaland in hands of Ibo.

To model for you the value of an airport and its importance in culture and economy of society you look at Akanu Ibiam International Airport. A true domestic scale airport embellished to status of international grade....but nonetheless, if that Airport can operate at parity level with Ikeja domestic airport, half the problem of Igboland will be solved. It will bring access and investment options, then employment and redistribution of wealth. The scale of economies will change for Alaibo. They are a dependent and vulnerable society now because accessibility to their region is deficient.

This is a taste of geo-political strategizing.

Oduah gained insight into the value of control and power in facility management of an airport and realized an Iboman need to have that power, not Yoruba. This is why they went for Babalakin.

Now, jump to the present. I repeat, if FG vacates facility management in MMIA, Yoruba should step in and take it over. Western Governors have solid vision and I commend this step.

BabaRamota1980:
Para-military presence at the Airport is part of physical security at the borders or point of entry. That part of it is national security and will not go away.

If FG vacates concessions at that airport it makes good sense that Yoruba Governors step in as primary caretaker.

We have a precedence to reference in the circumstance of Babalakin taking over concession of Domestic Wing at the airport. You should go back and review the attempts by Stealer Oduah when she was Aviation Minister and her collusion with President Jonathan to sack Babalakin's contract and re-award the concession contract. Guess what they had in mind? To remove the Yorubaman and give it to an Iboman. They did not succeed. Imagine such a strategic place of value in Yorubaland in hands of Ibo.

To model for you the value of an airport and its importance in culture and economy of society you look at Akanu Ibiam International Airport. A true domestic scale airport embellished to status of international grade....but nonetheless, if that Airport can operate at parity level with Ikeja domestic airport, half the problem of Igboland will be solved. It will bring access and investment options, then employment and redistribution of wealth. The scale of economies will change for Alaibo. They are a dependent and vulnerable society now because accessibility to their region is deficient.

This is a taste of geo-political strategizing.

Oduah gained insight into the value of control and power in facility management of an airport and realized an Iboman need to have that power, not Yoruba. This is why they went for Babalakin.

Now, jump to the present. I repeat, if FG vacates facility management in MMIA, Yoruba should step in and take it over. Western Governors have solid vision and I commend this step.

This is an interestinng perspective which I do no share. There is nothing stopping them getting an airport of their own , newer and better or buying the airport from the FG.

Concessioning will not achieve any of those things you are suggesting because the competence to manage an airport at the standard we aspire to is presently not available in our people

Given the track record of APC they act in their own personal interest and that of their families as we have seen in Lagos with Alpha Beta and Waste Management in Lagos. Concessioning will only entrench mediocrity

The more rational strategic approach in Nigeria is to pursue Human Capital Development in the SW so that you have firms that are indispensible not holding things you cannot manage .

What we should aim for is to ensure that our people are the best and fear no competition

0monnak0da:


This is an interestinng perspective which I do no share. There is nothing stopping them getting an airport of their own , newer and better or buying the airport from the FG.

Concessioning will not achieve any of those things you are suggesting because the competence to manage an airport at the standard we aspire to is presently not available in our people

Given the track record of APC they act in their own personal interest and that of their families as we have seen in Lagos with Alpha Beta and Waste Management in Lagos. Concessioning will only entrench mediocrity

The more rational strategic approach in Nigeria is to pursue Human Capital Development in the SW so that you have firms that are indispensible not holding things you cannot manage .

What we should aim for is to ensure that our people are the best and fear no competition

While I will not argue against the need for urgent development in workforce and productivity, the management of facilities in our region, where feasible, must be owned by us, regardless that our capacity level to do good job is unimpressive. There is no other people with a more impressive capacity than we have. Therefore we cannot loose the interest to a people with far less capacity and will do worse. Again, look at the Akanu Ibiam Airport in the hands of an Ibo contractor. If it rains too heavy the airport floods. If the heat from sunlight is too intense the pavement cracks and chips, resulting pot holes.
They have not been able to solve the problem of migratory seasonal birds and risks to airplanes. If they can treat their own like that, imagine the kind of neglect MMIA will be in few years later. The devil you see and know is better than the one you dont know.

BabaRamota1980:


While I will not argue against the need for urgent development in workforce and productivity, the management of facilities in our region, where feasible, must be owned by us, regardless that our capacity level to do good job is unimpressive. There is no other people with a more impressive capacity than we have. Therefore we cannot loose the interest to a people with far less capacity and will do worse. Again, look at the Akanu Ibiam Airport in the hands of an Ibo contractor. If it rains too heavy the airport floods. If the heat from sunlight is too intense the pavement cracks and chips, resulting pot holes.
They have not been able to solve the problem of migratory seasonal birds and risks to airplanes. If they can treat their own like that, imagine the kind of neglect MMIA will be in few years later. The devil you see and know is better than the one you dont know.

The flaw in your reasoning here is that you assume the airport must be owned and/or managed by Nigerians - personally, I think that would be a huge mistake, as MMIA is just too important as a gateway to the entire SW to be handed over to anyone without the deep pockets needed to seriously upgrade the airport's infrastructure, or the long time-horizons required to bring it up to par by international standards. We are talking about hundreds of millions of US$ here, more than Nigeria's entire budget for roads this year (and no, I'm not exaggerating, as a single underground station in London cost more than $1 billion to renovate). I don't see how Odua Investment Group can come up with that kind of money without taking on serious risks, e.g. by borrowing abroad at steep interest rates, and the alternative would be to be so starved of funds after acquiring the concession that they're forced to squeeze the airport for every drop of profit they can get, even at the expense of upkeep and investment.

There are plenty of privately run companies across the world who specialize precisely in the management of airports, one (Gatwick) even being a consortium headed by a Yoruba man (Adebayo Ogunlesi). These are the sorts of companies we want to have bidding for this concession, and if it were me, I'd even limit the bidding to only such companies with proven track records and bullet-proof finances. The last thing we want is to repeat the mistake made with the DISCOs under GEJ, where under-capitalized Nigerian companies with connections took on obligations they lacked the resources to cope with, only to find that their immediate cash-flows were insufficient to cover the cost of the borrowing they did to buy the assets.

BabaRamota1980:


While I will not argue against the need for urgent development in workforce and productivity, the management of facilities in our region, where feasible, must be owned by us, regardless that our capacity level to do good job is unimpressive. There is no other people with a more impressive capacity than we have. Therefore we cannot loose the interest to a people with far less capacity and will do worse. Again, look at the Akanu Ibiam Airport in the hands of an Ibo contractor. If it rains too heavy the airport floods. If the heat from sunlight is too intense the pavement cracks and chips, resulting pot holes.
They have not been able to solve the problem of migratory seasonal birds and risks to airplanes. If they can treat their own like that, imagine the kind of neglect MMIA will be in few years later. The devil you see and know is better than the one you dont know.

Your argument is incoherent and self contradictory.

Must be owned by us Who is us Tinubu? Fowler? Their family?


owned by us ? Why? so that? Who has the Lekki concession helped?


I do not see how the Akanu Ibiam thing buttresses your argument.


I know the other folk for their sentimentality not us.

Airports can be traded on the stock market for all I care.

If the issue is a political one then we can tak about federalism and to whom the airport pays tax. That is a different matter.

I am afraid you seem to be driven by emotion and not analysis.

In a world of globalization I have no problem with the Imo State government or Beyonce buying the Airport as long as they run it properlly and pay tax locally.

The airport is not one of those things that has any so called geopolitical signifcance


The most important thing now is to raise our human capital game to world class.
Education Education Education

Let us concession to an entity with a track record in airport management and strategize for a skill transfer so that our people can get the most important skills and jobs .

The most important thing to my mind is jobs for our people.

Truthcat:
Just mention one single ibo in Lagos govt, from the governor to the commissioners, mention just one ibo.

Once there was Ben Nwabueze, Lagos Finance Commisioner
Both Ndubisi Kanu and Ebitu Ukiwe once governed Lagos

And others
cc lzaa onyeoga

immhotep:

Once there was Ben Nwabueze, Lagos Finance Commisioner
Both Ndubisi Kanu and Ebitu Ukiwe once governed Lagos

And others
cc lzaa onyeoga

Mumu, lol, so two Yorubas no once govern anambra and imo respectively. Dabo aliyu once govern anambra state , Adekunle lawal and Sunday Ajibade once govern imo . When typical igbo man is jubilating cos administrators once sent to lagos . The last I checked, only one igbo now remain in Lagos house of assembly. . Una wailing just start. Go and bring your children to learn Yoruba and stop giving us 2015 news when we are in 2018. All you said here was once. That was when we don't care, but now that we care about our state, all that are over.

Westbestside:
Mumu, lol, so two Yorubas no once govern anambra and imo respectively. Dabo aliyu once govern anambra state , Adekunle lawal and Sunday Ajibade once govern imo . When typical igbo man is jubilating cos administrators once sent to lagos . The last I checked, only one igbo now remain in Lagos house of assembly. . Una wailing just start. Go and bring your children to learn Yoruba and stop giving us 2015 news when we are in 2018. All you said here was once. That was when we don't care, but now that we care about our state, all that are over.

ermm but Lagos population is 51% Igbo

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Westbestside:
Mumu, lol, so two Yorubas no once govern anambra and imo respectively. Dabo aliyu once govern anambra state , Adekunle lawal and Sunday Ajibade once govern imo . When typical igbo man is jubilating cos administrators once sent to lagos . The last I checked, only one igbo now remain in Lagos house of assembly. . Una wailing just start. Go and bring your children to learn Yoruba and stop giving us 2015 news when we are in 2018. All you said here was once. That was when we don't care, but now that we care about our state, all that are over.

And a I am pretty sure you are not a Lagosian

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immhotep:

ermm but Lagos population is 51% Igbo

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Yes, you are right. On nairaland.

immhotep:

And a I am pretty sure you are not a Lagosian

cc lzaa onyeoga

No, I am an anambrianian

Westbestside:
Yes, you are right. On nairaland.

Greetings to your Igbo landlord and Igbo wife

Cc lzaa onyeoga

I asked you to name one ibo man in Lagos govt, but you couldn't. Owners of Lagos are the ones in charge, not some of few which are accidental appointments before I was born. I'm glad you said "was" and will never happen again. Yoruba made mistake appointing Ben Nwabueze many years ago and quickly corrected it. Those other two mentioned were coup military dictator appointees, not elected govt officials, and don't really count. Three ibos ever appointed, and the reps, so much for owning Lagos.

Believe it, there will never be an ibo in Lagos govt, not now, not ever.

immhotep:

Once there was Ben Nwabueze, Lagos Finance Commisioner
Both Ndubisi Kanu and Ebitu Ukiwe once governed Lagos

And others
cc lzaa onyeoga

immhotep:

Greetings to your Igbo landlord and Igbo wife

Cc lzaa onyeoga

You mean the landlord that is begging people to cater for his kids

MicroBox:
Even though its a good moves, South western people need to debate on a collective Name and not Odua or Odudua of some sort.
The name Odua or Odudua sound Traditional (More or less like Idol worshippers/believers).
Let them deliberate on All-Inclusive name while the project is ongoing.

This one is an oponu.

Why don't we call it Pastor Adeboye or Imam Dauda. How is that for modern?

Truthcat:
I asked you to name one ibo man in Lagos govt, but you couldn't. Owners of Lagos are the ones in charge, not some of few which are accidental appointment before I was born. I'm glad you said "was" and will never happen again. Yoruba made mistake appointing Ben Nwabueze many years ago and quickly corrected it. Those other two mentioned were coup military dictator appointees, not elected govt officials, and don't really count.

Believe it, there will never be an ibo in Lagos govt, not now, not ever.

LMAO
But you will perennially obsess and lose sleep over Igbos in Lagos.

Cc lzaa onyeoga

That's what you think, but we have a better plan for you, just wait with your tears basin beside you because you will cry hwen! If you are smart, you won't be an arse to people who hold you economically by the balls.

immhotep:

LMAO
But you will perennially obsess and lose sleep over Igbos in Lagos.

Cc lzaa onyeoga

Truthcat:
That's what you think, but we have a better plan for you, just wait with your tears basin beside you because you will cry hwen! If you are smart, you won't be an arse to people who hold you economically by the balls.

LMAO
Keep making dullard plans and getting high blood pressure.

Igbo amaka.

cc lzaa onyeoga

Me taking care of my home is with pleasure, but you reaching over your head is a recipe for high blood pressure. Save enough energy to wail for what's coming to you.

immhotep:

LMAO
Keep making dullard plans and getting high blood pressure.

Igbo amaka.

cc lzaa onyeoga

Truthcat:
Me taking care of my home is with pleasure, but you reaching over your head is a recipe for high blood pressure. Save enough energy to wail for what's coming to you.

You have been doing so since the 1960s yet Igbos are still taking over Lagos.
Keep trying
Eko oni baje rara.

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Your leaders are the ones who have been trying to take Lagos before independence and up till now. Yoruba are just waking up. You have land on leases that will return to Yoruba people, they will never be renewed to you. So you will never be able to take over Lagos.

immhotep:

You have been doing so since the 1960s yet Igbos are still taking over Lagos.
Keep trying
Eko oni baje rara.

cc lzaa onyeoga

Truthcat:
Your leaders are the ones who have been trying to take Lagos before independence and up till now. Yoruba are just waking up. You have land on leases that will return to Yoruba people, they will never be renewed to you. So you will never be able to take over Lagos.

very suffersticated plan, coming from a non-Lagosian LMAO


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You don't even know what being a lagosian mean, and you should keep quiet when Lagos is discussed because you are not from anywhere around Lagos.

immhotep:

very suffersticated plan, coming from a non-Lagosian LMAO


cc lzaa onyeoga

Truthcat:
You don't even know what being a lagosian mean, and you should keep quiet when Lagos is discussed because you are not from anywhere around Lagos.

but YOU are not from Lagos

How else can someone be from Lagos? Aside being Yoruba, most part of the island, lekki, Epe and ikorodu are Ijebuland, and that's on father side. Mama is pure Eko. Yaba cemetery is holding at least 8 generations of T***a and T****r's family. Above all, Yorubaland was Lagos colony, and all Yorubaland is still Lagos. So start focusing on your region, we don't want to hear anything from you about Lagos, as squatters, you shouldn't have opinions.

immhotep:

but YOU are not from Lagos

kayfra:


This one is an oponu.

Why don't we call it Pastor Adeboye or Imam Dauda. How is that for modern?

Ode.. That is exactly my claim, no religion undertone.
Olodo..Odua or Odudua sound extremely ancient and dark.
Mumu.. We need to do away with dark energy that has extremely affect development in Africa.

Truthcat:
How else can someone be from Lagos? Aside being Yoruba, most part of the island, lekki, Epe and ikorodu are Ijebuland, and that's on father side. Mama is pure Eko. Yaba cemetery is holding at least 8 generations of T***a and T****r's family. Above all, Yorubaland was Lagos colony, and all Yorubaland is still Lagos. So start focusing on your region, we don't want to hear anything from you about Lagos, as squatters, you shouldn't have opinions.

wait let confirm from Oba