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herzern:
Polytechnics nowadays are poo!

I don't know about the 19's, but the present polytechnics in Nigeria are nothing but overrated secondary schools. This does not even exclude the FG owned Polytechnics.

To start off :

*Polytechnics are overcrowded : The urge for naive secondary school leavers to leave home to a higher institution makes most percentage of them resort to Polytechnics after failed admission process/exercise in Universities. This has made most polytechnics turn into a money making venture where different unknown,unaccredited,unapproved and unofficial undergraduate programs take place to admit more than their carrying capacity. Most of these programmes are often termed DPP,DPA (daily UG part-time programmes)

*Polytechnics are lowly funded : It's a clear/undeniable truth that the educational sector gets poorly funded by FG. The case is worse with polytechnics as they are often neglected when it comes to allocation of funds to tertiary institutions.


AS I TYPE THIS TO YOU, OVER 1,200 STUDENTS ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MASS COMMUNICATION, THE POLYTECHNIC, IBADAN ND 1 (WHICH IS JUST A CLASS) WITH LESS THAN 10 TOTAL LECTURERS IN THE WHOLE OF THE DEPARTMENT. that's almost half of the total number of students admitted for UG programmes in the University of Ibadan.

Like I said earlier, Polytechnics are poo!!!

SuperSuave:
I dey cum

I quite agree with most of your points as they apply to most polytechnic graduates (not all) but the ones I totally disagree with are:
How many undergraduate and post graduate students read to understand these days? especially not when you're studying an engineering course where you have to cram design formulas and other shītz you might never even use in the field. We all know the common slogan among students these days, be it polytechnic or university is "LA CRAM LA POUR". Most people are chasing the certificate and high grades that they forget one of the most important things is the ability to perform.

How many of the things you studied in your first to third year do you still remember vividly? I disagree with you on this one, Initially i thought it was just necessary stress on student but it was not as think, all those LAPLACE TRANSFORM, PROPAGATION COEFFICIENT then, the application are there in the industry

Can you mention how many federal or state universities you know of that use 2015 or above model of vehicles for their practical? I'm not disputing the fact that universities teach practical even though not all while rarely will you see a polytechnic that doesn't involve their technology students in constant practical.

"How will they be able to handle a modern vehicle after graduation."

very silly statement. Show me a mechanical engineering graduate from a university that can open a repair shop without having field knowledge. What's the essence of the industrial training university and polytechnic students go for if not to learn and familiarize themselves with how things are being done live in field.

Keep on dusting your certificate everyday with the hope of getting that dream job because you have B.Sc while that polytechnic graduate is out there gaining field experience day in day out.

P.s: It's only in Nigeria that I've seen that there's a big dichotomy between HND and B.Sc. The total credit units offered from ND 1 to HND 2 is equivalent and sometimes more than that of a university but never below.

Do you know that HND is equivalent to a bachelors degree in the US an some part of the world and that you can proceed for your masters program without PGD?

SuperSuave:
I dey cum

I quite agree with most of your points as they apply to most polytechnic graduates (not all) but the ones I totally disagree with are:
How many undergraduate and post graduate students read to understand these days? especially not when you're studying an engineering course where you have to cram design formulas and other shītz you might never even use in the field. We all know the common slogan among students these days, be it polytechnic or university is "LA CRAM LA POUR". Most people are chasing the certificate and high grades that they forget one of the most important things is the ability to perform.

How many of the things you studied in your first to third year do you still remember vividly?

Can you mention how many federal or state universities you know of that use 2015 or above model of vehicles for their practical? I'm not disputing the fact that universities teach practical even though not all while rarely will you see a polytechnic that doesn't involve their technology students in constant practical.

"How will they be able to handle a modern vehicle after graduation."

very silly statement. Show me a mechanical engineering graduate from a university that can open a repair shop without having field knowledge. What's the essence of the industrial training university and polytechnic students go for if not to learn and familiarize themselves with how things are being done live in field.

Keep on dusting your certificate everyday with the hope of getting that dream job because you have B.Sc while that polytechnic graduate is out there gaining field experience day in day out.

P.s: It's only in Nigeria that I've seen that there's a big dichotomy between HND and B.Sc. The total credit units offered from ND 1 to HND 2 is equivalent and sometimes more than that of a university but never below.

Do you know that HND is equivalent to a bachelors degree in the US an some part of the world and that you can proceed for your masters program without PGD?

blogbuilder:
This post is not created to promote hatred and disparity but to promote creativity and self development.
Gone are the days when polytechnic students are rated as the best in the field of practical but reverse is the case in this generation has polytechnic student no longer participate fully in practical.

The reasons include

(1)LACK OF SELF CONFIDENCE
Although 70% of Nigeria student lacks confidence to compete with their international counterpart after graduation but most polytechnic student feel empty after graduation due to the confidence they lack in themselves . Most of them don't believe in what they can achieve. Whenever they are vying for something with their University counterparts, they started having this feeling of emptiness in them...

(2)INABILITY TO DEVELOP ONESELF
As a matter of fact,most polytechnic in Nigeria lacks teaching facilities such as well unequipped laboratory ,library etc . unlike their University counterpart who consult textbook as recommended by their lecturers , most polytechnic student depend solely on the handout or material given to them by their lecturers therefore they limit them self to this material without developing themselves.

(3)LOW SELF ESTEEM
Some poly student do look down on themselves as if they are not real student.There's this saying that "whichever way you present yourself,that is the way you will be accepted".

(4)DISPARITY:
Due to the disparity between University and polytechnic graduates in the labour market.The morale of some polytechnic student drop whenever they think of this . That's the reason why some of them apply for direct entry after their ND/HND.... With PGD+HND, they are still not in the same level with their BSc counterparts.

(5)UNQUALIFIED ACADEMIC STAFF:
Leave it or take it , most polytechnics lacks qualified teaching staff.It is in polytechnic that you will see HND holder serving as teaching staff in the class room. The number of lecturers with PhD is nothing to write home about.. Most of the staffs don't develop themselves because they can reach the peak of their career(chief lecturer) with ordinary MSc unlike in the University where you will need to Obtain your Phd+many publications and a lot of research work to become a professor....
(6)POOR ACADEMIC CURRICULUM : How on earth can a student be offering 14-15 courses in a semester and the total day for the exam is a week or two.These makes them to read without understanding or to read just to pass their exams and this will affect in the nearest future.

(7)LACK OF RESEARCH
Most polytechnics in Nigeria still uses 19th century method of teaching to teach their student.For example,a mechanical engineering student that uses 1970 model Peugeot for their practical instead of modern cars.How will they be able to handle a modern vehicle after graduation.
Most of these poly students are not exposed to research.

SOLUTIONS
Development: Always develop yourself to be better than your university counterpart
Believe in yourself: Believe it that you can be better than your university counterpart
Proof yourself to people by displaying a marketable skills. Try to acquire skills relevant to your field... For example, as an engineering student, you can learn AutoCad or as a computer science student, you can learn programming...

Above it all, believe in yourself

herzern:
Polytechnics nowadays are poo!

I don't know about the 19's, but the present polytechnics in Nigeria are nothing but overrated secondary schools. This does not even exclude the FG owned Polytechnics.

To start off :

*Polytechnics are overcrowded : The urge for naive secondary school leavers to leave home to a higher institution makes most percentage of them resort to Polytechnics after failed admission process/exercise in Universities. This has made most polytechnics turn into a money making venture where different unknown,unaccredited,unapproved and unofficial undergraduate programs take place to admit more than their carrying capacity. Most of these programmes are often termed DPP,DPA (daily UG part-time programmes)

*Polytechnics are lowly funded : It's a clear/undeniable truth that the educational sector gets poorly funded by FG. The case is worse with polytechnics as they are often neglected when it comes to allocation of funds to tertiary institutions.


AS I TYPE THIS TO YOU, OVER 1,200 STUDENTS ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MASS COMMUNICATION, THE POLYTECHNIC, IBADAN ND 1 (WHICH IS JUST A CLASS) WITH LESS THAN 10 TOTAL LECTURERS IN THE WHOLE OF THE DEPARTMENT. that's almost half of the total number of students admitted for UG programmes in the University of Ibadan.

Like I said earlier, Polytechnics are poo!!!

herzern:
Polytechnics nowadays are poo!

I don't know about the 19's, but the present polytechnics in Nigeria are nothing but overrated secondary schools. This does not even exclude the FG owned Polytechnics.

To start off :

*Polytechnics are overcrowded : The urge for naive secondary school leavers to leave home to a higher institution makes most percentage of them resort to Polytechnics after failed admission process/exercise in Universities. This has made most polytechnics turn into a money making venture where different unknown,unaccredited,unapproved and unofficial undergraduate programs take place to admit more than their carrying capacity. Most of these programmes are often termed DPP,DPA (daily UG part-time programmes)

*Polytechnics are lowly funded : It's a clear/undeniable truth that the educational sector gets poorly funded by FG. The case is worse with polytechnics as they are often neglected when it comes to allocation of funds to tertiary institutions.


AS I TYPE THIS TO YOU, OVER 1,200 STUDENTS ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MASS COMMUNICATION, THE POLYTECHNIC, IBADAN ND 1 (WHICH IS JUST A CLASS) WITH LESS THAN 10 TOTAL LECTURERS IN THE WHOLE OF THE DEPARTMENT. that's almost half of the total number of students admitted for UG programmes in the University of Ibadan.

Like I said earlier, Polytechnics are poo!!!

HigherEd:
Hmm that's so sad. They have no reason to feel inferior. There is no proof anywhere in this Nigeria that a university graduate is necessarily better than a polytechnic graduate. And there is no proof that both class of graduates studied anything meaningful to even make a difference. The curriculum for both Universities and polytechnics are both redundant. I don't see myself ever making any dinstinction between a poly and uni grad as an employer.

MaconAwire:
I absolutely see no need for d comparism n backlash @o.p except u're a jobless b.sc holder with self esteem problems.....



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live n let's live!

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peace!

Mires:
To be very candid, the problem with equalization of BSc and HND in Nigeria is borned out of poor policy formulation.

Like the writer pointed out, how could NBTE allowed HND and BSc holders to lecture ND and HND respectively, while to NUC, MSc holder employed in the university is not a lecturer until he/she acquires PhD.

If the truth must be told, about 70% if not 80% of so called "lecturers" in polytechnics in Nigeria has BSc as academic qualification while less than 3% have PhD.

Permit me to say that until one has undergone rigorous academic exercises, one might hardly appreciates hard work in academics. Hence, the proliferation of what I called "nonsense" in polytechnics orchestrated by the people I choose to call teachers rather than lecturers. Till date, the level of sorting in an average polytechnic is alarming. Sexual harassment is more like a norm. Gangsterism is the order of the day. Personally, I see polytechnic as a vine without a vine yard. I know for sure, there are exceptional students from the vine, but I have a biased mind to products from the vine.

Mires:
To be very candid, the problem with equalization of BSc and HND in Nigeria is borned out of poor policy formulation.

Like the writer pointed out, how could NBTE allowed HND and BSc holders to lecture ND and HND respectively, while to NUC, MSc holder employed in the university is not a lecturer until he/she acquires PhD.

If the truth must be told, about 70% if not 80% of so called "lecturers" in polytechnics in Nigeria has Bsc as academic qualification while less than 3% have PhD.

Permit me to say that until one has undergone rigorous academic exercises, one might hardly appreciates hard work in academics. Hence, the proliferation of what I called "nonsense" in polytechnics orchestrated by the people I choose to call teachers rather than lecturers. Till date, the level of sorting in an average polytechnic is alarming. Sexual harassment is more like a norm. Gangsterism is the order of the day. Personally, I see polytechnic as a vine without a vine yard. I know for sure, there are exceptional students from the vine, but I have a biased mind to products from the vine.

NairaMaster1:
Really? So UI has a total number of 2,300

From remedial to 600 level?

Let me give you simple analysis

UI medical School

Assuming they have 50 students/ class

It means from 100L to 600L is 300 ( more than)

Law: 100L to 500L is 250 (for example)

Pharmacy: 100L to 500L is 250

Microbiology: 100 students/class = 500

Biochemistry: 500

Accountancy 500

Economics 500

BAM 500

Calculate and see, without OTHERS like:

Single honour, education, humanity etc.

Remember, UI Economics students are more than what I just quote.

I did MPH there so I know what I am telling you.

Let's us the university graduates not wallow in unhealthy pull down of these guys. I work with a lot of poly graduates and I see hard work and speed in them.

j0rdannkyle:
I too have a biased mind towards you and your ilk, especially when you write in this flawed and grandiloquent way. Tell me, did you not learn basic grammar in secondary school before going to the university?

obstead200:
dont mind him. I passed thru the university (Bsc, Msc and ongoing PhD) and I presently lecture in a polytechnic. Frankly, going by contents of academic curriculum, the polytechnics have richer content. I honestly can not find any equitable reason for the discrimination, other than the fact that the government made it so, both by policy formulation, interpretation and execution.
It is true that lots of poly lecturers are in their comfort zone hence they have no zeal to develop themselves via research cos they do not really need it beyond a certain level. This is also the fault of govt policy as mapped out in the polytechnics act.
But let the policy change. Let deserving polytechnics get converted to universities and u will see how these indolent lecturers will seat up and develop themselves once their comfort zone is threatened. They will kick against it at first, but once the govt resist intimidation and arm twisting , everyone will fall in line.

I dream of the day my school will get converted to a university

herzern:
Polytechnics nowadays are poo!

I don't know about the 19's, but the present polytechnics in Nigeria are nothing but overrated secondary schools. This does not even exclude the FG owned Polytechnics.

To start off :

*Polytechnics are overcrowded : The urge for naive secondary school leavers to leave home to a higher institution makes most percentage of them resort to Polytechnics after failed admission process/exercise in Universities. This has made most polytechnics turn into a money making venture where different unknown,unaccredited,unapproved and unofficial undergraduate programs take place to admit more than their carrying capacity. Most of these programmes are often termed DPP,DPA (daily UG part-time programmes)

*Polytechnics are lowly funded : It's a clear/undeniable truth that the educational sector gets poorly funded by FG. The case is worse with polytechnics as they are often neglected when it comes to allocation of funds to tertiary institutions.


AS I TYPE THIS TO YOU, OVER 1,200 STUDENTS ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MASS COMMUNICATION, THE POLYTECHNIC, IBADAN ND 1 (WHICH IS JUST A CLASS) WITH LESS THAN 10 TOTAL LECTURERS IN THE WHOLE OF THE DEPARTMENT. that's almost half of the total number of students admitted for UG programmes in the University of Ibadan.

Like I said earlier, Polytechnics are poo!!!