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progress69:
There is something I have noticed from Nigerians in Diaspora, and i really dont know how this can be checked. They get majority of their news from social media, facebook in particular. I can boldly tell you that many of them are ill informed and are super ignorant of the real happenings in Nigeria.

I have gotten into serious argument with many, tje lastest one is Buhari approved money for presidential jet.
I have tried all my best to say no, its for 12 super Tucano fighter jets, but they still wouldnt have any of it. Despitr telling them the US confirmed payment directly to their treasury account, they keep shouting is election money.
I support the government in regulating social media cps too many lies and false news come from there, unfortuantely, even educated people fall for it.

You are very correct. They are the Lazy Youth President Buhari was referring to the other day.

progress69:
There is something I have noticed from Nigerians in Diaspora, and i really dont know how this can be checked. They get majority of their news from social media, facebook in particular. I can boldly tell you that many of them are ill informed and are super ignorant of the real happenings in Nigeria.

I have gotten into serious argument with many, tje lastest one is Buhari approved money for presidential jet.
I have tried all my best to say no, its for 12 super Tucano fighter jets, but they still wouldnt have any of it. Despitr telling them the US confirmed payment directly to their treasury account, they keep shouting is election money.
I support the government in regulating social media cps too many lies and false news come from there, unfortuantely, even educated people fall for it.

The technic the Book Haram and herdsmen are using doesn't require whole fighter jets in the first place. They seem to live among the people and operate segments which require more of troops on the ground and surveillance, so I don't what fleet of fighter jets will be doing when Nigeria is not yet Syria.

mapet:
Nope! Nigeria DID NOT pay in a hurry, but stuck to the agreed terms and deadlines,. If we do not want to continue to be #lazyNigerianYouths, then let's dig and ascertain the true position of things. As far back Nov/Dec 2017, we were all aware that negotiations was about rounding up and the terms of agreement were in public domain. Even on NL it was posted https://www.nairaland.com/4311963/fg-rejects-us-conditions-sale
So, we did know that Feb was the deadline or the deal was off....and probably for good.

Makes me wonder, this was a deal Obama put off, we had an opportunity in Trump putting it back on the table....and we think we will continue to have that "life-line"?

the good thing is the US has received the funds the should make sure quality avionics and accessories are delivered with the aircraft. Another good thing is that the procurement was done on a government to government basis not thru middle men like we do with russian equipment we buy

SalamRushdie:
That's no excuse ..will the US govt ever break it's laws because of a deadline by another country? Hell no!!!

There are good reasons why we have those Lawson place you know , they are not there for decoration

lol the US will break its laws if it had to and it often does not with millitary procurement though cos She is self reliant but with other commodities

SalamRushdie:
That's no excuse ..will the US govt ever break it's laws because of a deadline by another country? Hell no!!!

There are good reasons why we have those Lawson place you know , they are not there for decoration

lol the US will break its laws if it had to and it often does not with millitary procurement though cos She is self reliant but with other commodities of need

abeggnow:
lol the US will break its laws if it had to and it often does not with millitary procurement though cos She is self reliant but with other commodities of need

Go away zombie

SalamRushdie:
Go away zombie

And you are

FreddyKruger:

Why rush to pay for an aircraft whose delivery to the country is 2 years from now. And why would a 2 year upfront transaction have a deadline? Why should your government which claims to fight corruption withdraw funds from the ECA without notifying the legislature? Don't you know that's corruption and high handedness which is an impeachable offence on the executive arm? As for the rest of the questions, i didn't care to answer because they are irrelevant to the discourse. I won't beat you...your ignorance is having a toll on you already.

I CAN REALLY FEEL AND SEE THE LEVEL OF YOUR IGNORANT,WHY WOULD A GOVERNMENT LISTEN TO A CORRUPT LAWMAKERS WHO ARE YET TO SIGN 2018 BUDGET TO LAW,BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVES REFUSED TO BRIBE THEM WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THEM IF THE EXECUTIVES ASK THEM FOR APPROVAL OF MONEY,THEY WOULD LIKE THE EXECUTIVE TO BRIBE THEM..THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO PAY WITHOUT THE BAD PEOPLE KNOWLEDGE....THE ENEMIES OF PROGRESS LIKE U.

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Chetimah:
I CAN REALLY FEEL AND SEE THE LEVEL OF YOUR IGNORANT,WHY WOULD A GOVERNMENT LISTEN TO A CORRUPT LAWMAKERS WHO ARE YET TO SIGN 2018 BUDGET TO LAW,BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVES REFUSED TO BRIBE THEM WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THEM IF THE EXECUTIVES ASK THEM FOR APPROVAL OF MONEY,THEY WOULD LIKE THE EXECUTIVE TO BRIBE THEM..THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO PAY WITHOUT THE BAD PEOPLE KNOWLEDGE....THE ENEMIES OF PROGRESS LIKE U.

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I almost died reading this garbage you posted. Instead of coming online to spew trash u should use the energy to look for a good English tutor so u learn your spellings and adjectives coupled with line spacings, instead of coming here to murder English with your stupidity. Your foolishness has been ignored henceforth.

mapet:
he Super Tucano costs more than $10 million each and the price can go much higher depending on the configuration.

You mean you did the math and you found it convenient to ignore this bit?

Would the configuration cost 3 times the original price of the plane? There is something the Presidency is not telling us....!

mapet:
Your Point #1 is arguably rebuted by the provision of the law that gives the President executive powers to make "anticipatory budgetary spendings" in special cases within the first 6months pending the budgetary approval; provided it is not up 25% of the total budget.

Your Point #2 so stands logic on the head. You mean we will buy Tucano planes @ say $10m, $12m, $14m, $18m or whatever price you choose and that should be it? What about the weapons (guided missiles, guns and stuffs)? Are those given free? What about service agreements, stock of parts and stuffs? Do you think it stands to reason not to prepare to stock those?


I will imagine that these are some of the things you should have "googled" before joining the band-wangon to make "point #s" that sort of stand logic on the head.

You're an agent of darkness you and the 3 zombies liking your comment. Your comment and flawed attempt at a justification argument is entirely without merit and totally bereft of any reason or logic.
Let's visit my first point again: If you know anything at all about government and constitutional law you would have heard of the phrase "checks and balances".
We run a democracy not a dictatorship. Section 80 of the 1999 Constitution can not be superseded by your "unreferenced" quote. The President can not willy nilly dip his hands into the National coffers without due procedure. We are not a banana republic as people like you seem to think. The law clearly mandates the involvement of the National Assembly (Even in war times) which we are not. So no my perverse minded friend there is no justification,legal precedent or grounds for what President Buhari did.

The second point: Your response is laughable. Please do your research. If you are unable let me help you.
A Super Tucano Aircraft costs between $9-14 Million max. This costs a maximum of $168 Million for 12 units. Remaining $328 Million. Even factoring in delivery,maintenance and other logistics how can you say it costs twice as much to maintain machinery than to buy it? Either way this is a moot point and not the subject matter as we are not privy to private discussions between the parties.
What we do know however is the law which holds every citizen of Nigeria to account. A law clearly broken by the dictatorial tendency of President Buhari.
I am no fan of the National Assembly however the calls for an impeachment of the President is very well justified.

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[/quote]img][/img][img][/img][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]arbage you po[s][/s]sted. Instead of coming online to spew trash u should use the energy to look for a good English tutor so u learn your spellings and adjectives coupled with line spacings, instead of coming here to murder English with your stupidity. Your foolishness has been ignored henceforth.

hmmm I really appreciate your concerns about my English and misspellings....professor wole soyinka...I see were ur ENGLISH AND WRITING AS TAKEN YOU SO FAR...HOW MANY($-€-£)been add to your account??you better wake up from ur slumber and move frm ur parent's house..to know what life is SAYING..as grammars brought food or add(€-£-$) to ur account...so when u see your mates doing good don't be bitter about it,is not a crime to criticize when you see ur ENEMIES doing something good try to give them some accolades,when they do something bad criticize is allowed...don't always spitting trash.

Krucifax:
You're an agent of darkness you and the 3 zombies liking your comment. Your comment and flawed attempt at a justification argument is entirely without merit and totally bereft of any reason or logic.
Let's visit my first point again: If you know anything at all about government and constitutional law you would have heard of the phrase "checks and balances".
We run a democracy not a dictatorship. Section 80 of the 1999 Constitution can not be superseded by your "unreferenced" quote. The President can not willy nilly dip his hands into the National coffers without due procedure. We are not a banana republic as people like you seem to think. The law clearly mandates the involvement of the National Assembly (Even in war times) which we are not. So no my perverse minded friend there is no justification,legal precedent or grounds for what President Buhari did.

The second point: Your response is laughable. Please do your research. If you are unable let me help you.
A Super Tucano Aircraft costs between $9-14 Million max. This costs a maximum of $168 Million for 12 units. Remaining $328 Million. Even factoring in delivery,maintenance and other logistics how can you say it costs twice as much to maintain machinery than to buy it? Either way this is a moot point and not the subject matter as we are not privy to private discussions between the parties.
What we do know however is the law which holds every citizen of Nigeria to account. A law clearly broken by the dictatorial tendency of President Buhari.
I am no fan of the National Assembly however the calls for an impeachment of the President is very well justified.

Your first submission in a supposed intellectual discussion is ". "You are an agent of darkness" D ;
People are you are those who struggle with use of intellect and get frustrated. Thank you for tell us about "checks and balances".....unfortunately the discussion left that elementary level "years ago", yet you're still clutching at straws. Let me keep this simple, I will give you as assignment. My "unreferenced" quote is what you should go find out. Unfortunately, many of you are simply ignorant kids, you make lame arguments that shows limitations in knowledge.

Let's look at your first submission again. Do you think the law is as static. Does the National Assembly have a say over ECA? what does the law say about provision for expenses pending the approval of the budget How do salaries and basic expenses come from during the period?

2. Your second analysis on the Tunaco planes is a daft as it comes. All you needed to do was to look at other submissions people have made here and get a good sense of this deal. Stop demonstrating your lack of knowledge and exposure. The scope of this project is not some random pricing you lot picked up from google. Planes are not sold empty. Planes are not sold without softwares, licensing, stocks and parts that will last a defined period, training of local experts, weaponry (stock of bombs and missiles) and service arrangements. Have you seen the scope of this project before went into lame calculations of "between $9-14 Million max"?

What I find baffling is the your lack of control on your emotions and resort to curses. I wish you channel that energy to use of your faculty

laudate:
Would the configuration cost 3 times the original price of the plane? There is something the Presidency is not telling us....!

It depends on how you are looking at it. You need to unpack what you call "configuration". The Presidency needs "not tell us" what we can figure out, if we look critically. Projects of this nature requires you acquire the planes, acquire knowledge and expertise on maintenance, retrofitting and servicing. It requires you stock up a defined level of parts for serving and replacements. It requires you stock up weapons (bombs and missles) in large quantities, especially now that we are at war and will be for a while more.

Feel free to pick some of this from reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-usa/nigeria-says-u-s-agrees-delayed-593-million-fighter-plane-sale-idUSKBN1EL1EN

mapet:
It depends on how you are looking at it. You need to unpack what you call "configuration". The Presidency needs "not tell us" what we can figure out, if we look critically. Projects of this nature requires you acquire the planes, acquire knowledge and expertise on maintenance, retrofitting and servicing. It requires you stock up a defined level of parts for serving and replacements. It requires you stock up weapons (bombs and missles) in large quantities, especially now that we are at war and will be for a while more.

Feel free to pick some of this from reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-usa/nigeria-says-u-s-agrees-delayed-593-million-fighter-plane-sale-idUSKBN1EL1EN

In global supply chain circles, whoever did the procurement and negotiation for these planes, that led to a 3-fold increase in the final cost of the planes, would be sacked on the spot. Training and maintenance/first-level servicing skills are often offered as a free bundle alongside the price, for such machinery, for a limited period of time. Unless we can see a breakdown of the BoQ, or spares along with their prices, it would be premature to attribute the 3-fold increase, to just these things.

As for parts and spares, it is unlikely that parts would be bought for every single item or every single plane in the fleet. What often happens, in the case of heavy-duty machinery and specialised equipment, is that where multiple units are ordered together at the same time, parts are bought for a percentage of them - maybe half of them. It is unlikely that all planes in the fleet would go bad at the same time, or develop identical faults within the same period, except if there is a design flaw. There is also a warranty which lasts for like 6 months - 1 year on sich specialised equipment. I still say, there is something the Presidency, is not telling us.....

laudate:
In global supply chain circles, whoever did the procurement and negotiation for these planes, that led to a 3-fold increase in the final cost of the planes, would be sacked on the spot. Training and maintenance/first-level servicing skills are often offered as a free bundle alongside the price, for such machinery, for a limited period of time. Unless we can see a breakdown of the BoQ, or spares along with their prices, it would be premature to attribute the 3-fold increase, to just these things.

As for parts and spares, it is unlikely that parts would be bought for every single item or every single plane in the fleet. What often happens, in the case of heavy-duty machinery and specialised equipment, is that where multiple units are ordered together at the same time, parts are bought for a percentage of them - maybe half of them. It is unlikely that all planes in the fleet would go bad at the same time, or develop identical faults within the same period, except if there is a design flaw. There is also a warranty which lasts for like 6 months - 1 year on sich specialised equipment. I still say, there is something the Presidency, is not telling us.....

The Lebanese Army received the first two A-29B Super Tucano light attack aircraft from the U.S. on Oct. 31 during a handover ceremony held at Hamat Air Base, north of the capital Beirut.

The two aircraft are the first of six that will be provided by the U.S. to the Lebanese Army within the framework of the military aid program to the country.

“The A-29’s advanced technology provides [Lebanese Armed Forces] precision-guided munitions and advanced precision-strike capability,” said U.S. Ambassador Elizabeth Richard during a speech at the event. “The LAF will now be able to conduct joint combined arms maneuvers in all conditions, day and night, in a way that greatly reduces the risk of collateral damage and the danger to noncombatants.”


In all, the aid is worth about $240 million, including basic cost of the aircraft ($204 million), the cost of ammunition and armament ($10 million) and the cost of the training ($12 million)

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/02/us-delivers-first-a29-super-tucano-aircraft-to-the-lebanese-army/

Lebanon paid $240 million for 6 Super Tucano = $240 million ÷ 6 = $40 million

That's $40 million/1 Super Tucano.

That's 4 times the so-called $10 million unit Cost


Nigeria is buying 12 = $496 million ÷ 12 = $41 million

That's $41 million/1 Super Tucano

Obviously, we paid almost the same amount Lebanon paid for each Super Tucano. So, is the Lebanese government hiding something also?

On top of that, have you factored in the fact that hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircraft are part of the cost apart from training, guns, bombs, missiles, radar/avionics and so on?


Oga laudate, shey this ipobian comment and type of argument is really coming from you or ipobs hijack your handle ni? The sky is always the limit per whatever options and requirements you desire....


It's OK to be suspicious and cynical about government actions based on our history, but we shouldn't when facts are available to draw from, we can not even pull such shady shenanigans directly with the US government, that's asking the FBI to investigate, indict and levy sanctions..

This is a government to government transaction with zero middlemen to cut corners and or wiggle out corrupt funds and the US government acknowledge the payments.

deomelllo:
Lebanon paid $240 million for 6 Super Tucano = $240 million ÷ 6 = $40 million

That's $40 million/1 Super Tucano.

That's 4 times the so-called $10 million unit Cost


Nigeria is buying 12 = $496 million ÷ 12 = $41 million

That's $41 million/1 Super Tucano

Obviously, we paid almost the same amount Lebanon paid for each Super Tucano. So, is the Lebanese government hiding something also?

On top of that, have you factored in the fact that hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircraft are part of the cost apart from training, guns, bombs, missiles, radar/avionics and so on?


Oga laudate, shey this ipobian comment and type of argument is really coming from you or ipobs hijack your handle ni? The sky is always the limit per whatever options and requirements you desire....

IPOBian comment? From my moniker? God forbid bad thing! But was the specs of the Tucano that Lebanon bought for 40 million USD, the same as the one Nigeria ordered? We need to compare the BoQ, o! If we are able to do so, and they are identical, all that would be left would then be to compare the base model Tucano, with the type that Lebanon & Nigeria bought, to see if we can justify the huge difference in costs!

laudate:
IPOBian comment? From my moniker? God forbid bad thing! But was the specs of the Tucano that Lebanon bought for 40 million USD, the same as the one Nigeria ordered? We need to compare the BoQ, o! If we are able to do so, and they are identical, all that would be left would then be to compare the base model Tucano, with the type that Lebanon & Nigeria bought, to see if we can justify the huge difference in costs!

laudate:
Would the configuration cost 3 times the original price of the plane? There is something the Presidency is not telling us....!

You raised objections per 3 times the original cost and I showed you facts that Lebanon paid 4 times the unit cost.

I do understand the need to shift your goal post to SPECS, but you should have inserted specs into your initial comment about cost and even going by available facts, Nigeria is getting beyond what other countries are getting because apart from mounted guns, precision and guided bombs and missiles, radar, avionics, cameras and so on, we're getting ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircrafts.


lol @ ipob hijacking your handle. No disrespect, this is just the kind of comments ipobs litter NL with..

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deomelllo:
You raised objections per 3 times the original cost and I showed you facts that Lebanon paid 4 times the unit cost.

I do understand the need to shift your goal post to SPECS, but you should have inserted specs into your initial comment about cost and even going by available facts, Nigeria is getting beyond what other countries are getting because apart from mounted guns, precision and guided bombs and missiles, radar, avionics, cameras and so on, we're getting ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircrafts.


lol @ ipob hijacking your handle. No disrespect, this is just the kind of comments ipobs litter NL with..,

My initial response was actually made in response to another poster's direct comment. Prior to that, someone had posted a screenshot of the cost of a Tucano jet, showing that it costs about $9 million to $14 million USD, per plane. This just threw up a lot of questions, when compared with the total amount that Nigeria was reported to have spent on the jets. Hope this clarifies the issue.

laudate:
My initial response was actually made in response to another poster's direct comment. Prior to that, someone had posted a screenshot of the cost of a Tucano jet, showing that it costs about $9 million to $14 million USD, per plane. This just threw up a lot of questions, when compared with the total amount that Nigeria was reported to have spent on the jets. Hope this clarifies the issue.

lol..


Hence why I asked if ipobs stole your handle because ipobs have been running around NL with that basic and elementary wikipedia conclusion. We both know the basic unit cost is just normally the beginning because it's never the final figures after options and specs requirements are added.


I know you are a quality and intelligent poster, but still shocked at your innitial and subsequent comments.


Going by the specs and what we asked the US for according to the US government, we are getting way more than other countries are getting, our options are very comprehensive and well thought out.


The fact that this is a government to government deal means there's little room for any kind of shady moves.

laudate:
In global supply chain circles, whoever did the procurement and negotiation for these planes, that led to a 3-fold increase in the final cost of the planes, would be sacked on the spot. Training and maintenance/first-level servicing skills are often offered as a free bundle alongside the price, for such machinery, for a limited period of time. Unless we can see a breakdown of the BoQ, or spares along with their prices, it would be premature to attribute the 3-fold increase, to just these things.

As for parts and spares, it is unlikely that parts would be bought for every single item or every single plane in the fleet. What often happens, in the case of heavy-duty machinery and specialised equipment, is that where multiple units are ordered together at the same time, parts are bought for a percentage of them - maybe half of them. It is unlikely that all planes in the fleet would go bad at the same time, or develop identical faults within the same period, except if there is a design flaw. There is also a warranty which lasts for like 6 months - 1 year on sich specialised equipment. I still say, there is something the Presidency, is not telling us.....

Are you for real? Global Supply chain circles? wtf is that? This is when I see knowledge grossly misapplied. Bros, spare me this supply chain explanation, it is contextually not what is in play...... You rightly argue in part that since we do not have a breakdown analysis of the scope (BoQ you call it)of this project........., one would expect you to surmise that without the scope you can hardly argue the absolute cost, yet came to the conclusion a 3-fold increase. You cannot be making assumptions when you do not and cannot put the scope of the project into perspective. You are just making things up. Look up reports and get a sense of the coverage of this project.

This is a govt-govt deal for Christ's sake. This is not a middle-man/black-market weapons contract. If you cannot see beyond your limited view and want to reduce this to some charade reminiscent of your company's procurement contract, then good luck.

laudate:

deomelllo: :
You raised objections per 3 times the original cost and I showed you facts that Lebanon paid 4 times the unit cost.

I do understand the need to shift your goal post to SPECS, but you should have inserted specs into your initial comment about cost and even going by available facts, Nigeria is getting beyond what other countries are getting because apart from mounted guns, precision and guided bombs and missiles, radar, avionics, cameras and so on, we're getting ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircrafts.


lol @ ipob hijacking your handle. No disrespect, this is just the kind of comments ipobs litter NL with..,

My initial response was actually made in response to another poster's direct comment. Prior to that, someone had posted a screenshot of the cost of a Tucano jet, showing that it costs about $9 million to $14 million USD, per plane. This just threw up a lot of questions, when compared with the total amount that Nigeria was reported to have spent on the jets. Hope this clarifies the issue.

Arguing on this premise itself is very ignorant...... I had earlier asked those who posted that estimate that was the Nigerian Airforce invoiced through google search or wikipedia? Bros, we need to up the ante in our level of analysis. "Critique" is a "necessary pill", a necessary assessment tool, but when the basis of critique is faulty, any argument based on such is faulty

deomelllo:

laudate: :


In global supply chain circles, whoever did the procurement and negotiation for these planes, that led to a 3-fold increase in the final cost of the planes, would be sacked on the spot. sad Training and maintenance/first-level servicing skills are often offered as a free bundle alongside the price, for such machinery, for a limited period of time. Unless we can see a breakdown of the BoQ, or spares along with their prices, it would be premature to attribute the 3-fold increase, to just these things.

As for parts and spares, it is unlikely that parts would be bought for every single item or every single plane in the fleet. undecided What often happens, in the case of heavy-duty machinery and specialised equipment, is that where multiple units are ordered together at the same time, parts are bought for a percentage of them - maybe half of them. It is unlikely that all planes in the fleet would go bad at the same time, or develop identical faults within the same period, except if there is a design flaw. sad There is also a warranty which lasts for like 6 months - 1 year on sich specialised equipment. undecided I still say, there is something the Presidency, is not telling us....

The Lebanese Army received the first two A-29B Super Tucano light attack aircraft from the U.S. on Oct. 31 during a handover ceremony held at Hamat Air Base, north of the capital Beirut.

The two aircraft are the first of six that will be provided by the U.S. to the Lebanese Army within the framework of the military aid program to the country.

“The A-29’s advanced technology provides [Lebanese Armed Forces] precision-guided munitions and advanced precision-strike capability,” said U.S. Ambassador Elizabeth Richard during a speech at the event. “The LAF will now be able to conduct joint combined arms maneuvers in all conditions, day and night, in a way that greatly reduces the risk of collateral damage and the danger to noncombatants.”


In all, the aid is worth about $240 million, including basic cost of the aircraft ($204 million), the cost of ammunition and armament ($10 million) and the cost of the training ($12 million)

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/02/us-delivers-first-a29-super-tucano-aircraft-to-the-lebanese-army/

Lebanon paid $240 million for 6 Super Tucano = $240 million ÷ 6 = $40 million

That's $40 million/1 Super Tucano.

That's 4 times the so-called $10 million unit Cost


Nigeria is buying 12 = $496 million ÷ 12 = $41 million

That's $41 million/1 Super Tucano

Obviously, we paid almost the same amount Lebanon paid for each Super Tucano. So, is the Lebanese government hiding something also?

On top of that, have you factored in the fact that hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program for 12 aircraft are part of the cost apart from training, guns, bombs, missiles, radar/avionics and so on?


Oga laudate, shey this ipobian comment and type of argument is really coming from you or ipobs hijack your handle ni? The sky is always the limit per whatever options and requirements you desire....


It's OK to be suspicious and cynical about government actions based on our history, but we shouldn't when facts are available to draw from, we can not even pull such shady shenanigans directly with the US government, that's asking the FBI to investigate, indict and levy sanctions..

This is a government to government transaction with zero middlemen to cut corners and or wiggle out corrupt funds and the US government acknowledge the payments.

Even this report puts a typical unit cost of each plane at about $34m. Our IPOB youth will not do diligent work.....be brandishing useless numbers #upandan

mapet:
Even this report puts a typical unit cost of each plane at about $34m. Our IPOB youth will not do diligent work.....be brandishing useless numbers #upandan

mapet:
Arguing on this premise itself is very ignorant...... I had earlier asked those who posted that estimate that was the Nigerian Airforce invoiced through google search or wikipedia? Bros, we need to up the ante in our level of analysis. "Critique" is a "necessary pill", a necessary assessment tool, but when the basis of critique is faulty, any argument based on such is faulty

mapet:
Are you for real? Global Supply chain circles? wtf is that? This is when I see knowledge grossly misapplied. Bros, spare me this supply chain explanation, it is contextually not what is in play...... You rightly argue in part that since we do not have a breakdown analysis of the scope (BoQ you call it)of this project........., one would expect you to surmise that without the scope you can hardly argue the absolute cost, yet came to the conclusion a 3-fold increase. You cannot be making assumptions when you do not and cannot put the scope of the project into perspective. You are just making things up. Look up reports and get a sense of the coverage of this project.

This is a govt-govt deal for Christ's sake. This is not a middle-man/black-market weapons contract. If you cannot see beyond your limited view and want to reduce this to some charade reminiscent of your company's procurement contract, then good luck.

There is nothing wrong with expressing scepticism or doubt, when bogus figures are being bandied around, without supporting facts. So stop gloating like a retar.d. The Nigerian govt gave a total sum for buying the planes, without a breakdown of the inputs and added components making up the sum. Other sources online showed that the unit cost of the Tucano planes, were vastly different from what the govt quoted. And you expect everyone to swallow it hook, line and sinker without any questions? Niggah, puh-leeze!

I respect people who make enquiries and confront issues with facts and verifiable info, instead of those who make excuses and try to gloss over issues, because they believe their leaders in govt are infallible. Deomelo went out of his way to bring additional factors to light, by giving a detailed breakdown, which you failed to do, and changed the narrative by shedding more light on the subject.

What did you do? You went on a fishing expedition prattling the word 'configuration,' up and down, as if that was a criteria for such widely divergent sums, being expended in the purchase of the Tucano. I have no apologies, for asking questions and querying the assumptions made on this thread. If it offends you...too bad! Now kindly do me a favour & get off my mentions, if you have nothing intelligent to say!

The US Federal Register revealed Nigeria has requested Paveway II and Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) laser-guidance kits and ammunition. It lists these items as “major defence equipment” valued at $29 million, while the “other” component of the deal, for the Super Tucanos, sensors, training and support, is valued at $564 million.

The weapons and ammunition includes 100 GBU-12 (500 lb) Paveway II Tailkits; 100 GBU-58 (250 lb) Paveway II Tailkits; 400 Laser Guided Rockets including Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) rounds; 2 000 MK-81 (250 lb) bombs; 5 000 2.75 inch (70 mm) Hydra 70 unguided rockets; 1 000 2.75 inch Hydra 70 unguided rockets (practice); and 20 000 rounds of .50 calibre machinegun ammunition.

What we requested and what we are getting.

Lebanon is also looking to double the LAF capabilities by procuring six additional A-29 aircraft, Commander of the Lebanese Air Force Brig. Gen. P.S.C Ziad ‎Haykal disclosed during the ceremony.

The A-29B will be equipped with the 12.7mm (.50-caliber) M3M machine gun, LM 70/7-SF-M9 MK2 multiple launcher (70mm), MK81/82 bombs and GBU-12/GBU-58 laser-guided bombs. The LAF will also likely equip the MK81 bomb with a guidance kit to “make it a smart bomb,” according to a military source.

The Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) from BAE Systems is expected to be delivered in May 2018 and supplied on the remaining four aircraft to the LAF, said Haykal.

What Lebanon is getting.


Obviously, we asked for more and we are getting more than Lebanon.

mapet:
Even this report puts a typical unit cost of each plane at about $34m. Our IPOB youth will not do diligent work.....be brandishing useless numbers #upandan

ipobs are just a damn useless, ignorant and unintelligent bunch, beats me why laudate is still referencing their flawed and ignorant wiki rubbish.

We don't reference their rubbish, we lecture them instead..

See my reactions below

laudate:
There is nothing wrong with expressing scepticism or doubt, when bogus figures are being bandied around, without supporting facts. So stop gloating like a retar.d. The Nigerian govt gave a total sum for buying the planes, without a breakdown of the inputs and added components making up the sum.

I cannot be responsible for your coming up short, making lame analysis and submissions that beggars resonable and sound belief. Should I be responsible for you relying on unreasonable quotes you claimed someone submitted from wiki as a basis of your argument on cost when you could by yourself google to find a veritable comparative pricing? Nigerian govt gave a total sum for buying the planes, you say, without a breakdown of the inputs and added components making up the sum......this to me is the evidence of your inadequacies. It seems your limitation in rationalizing things knows no bounds. You want to be spoon-fed? you cannot reason or what? makes me wonder why should I even waste time with/on you.


Other sources online showed that the unit cost of the Tucano planes, were vastly different from what the govt quoted. And you expect everyone to swallow it hook, line and sinker without any questions? Niggah, puh-leeze!

Lemme guess, you mean the random one from wikipedia or google? You cannot be this shallow! I would have expected that you make a comparative analysis with similar military purchase with related scope. I ask again, was Nigerian Airforce invoiced from wikipedia?

I respect people who make enquiries and confront issues with facts and verifiable info, instead of those who make excuses and try to gloss over issues, because they believe their leaders in govt are infallible. Deomelo went out of his way to bring additional factors to light, by giving a detailed breakdown, which you failed to do, and changed the narrative by shedding more light on the subject.

....so you expect me to help your inadequacies like Deomelo has done? unfortunately I do not have that kind of patience. Unfortunately for you, I unlike you do not need to be spoon-fed on what should ideally be basic reasoning.

What did you do? You went on a fishing expedition prattling the word 'configuration,' up and down, as if that was a criteria for such widely divergent sums, being expended in the purchase of the Tucano.
prattling configuration? It is now that I see that you're dumber than I imagine. I can conclude that you do not read, neither do you diligently verify the facts you so claim; if not, you would have seen that the so-called google/wiki reference you and your dumb ipob ilks bandied left a rider.. "..... the price can go much higher depending on the configuration". I was only calling attention to the fact that you lot kept quoting $10m, are left out the concluding part

I have no apologies, for asking questions and querying the assumptions made on this thread. If it offends you...too bad! Now kindly do me a favour & get off my mentions, if you have nothing intelligent to say!

Obviously what am I going to do with your needless apologies. That you came up short in itself is comical enough.

mapet:
See my reactions below

I cannot be responsible for your coming up short, making lame analysis and submissions that beggars resonable and sound belief. Should I be responsible for you relying on unreasonable quotes you claimed someone submitted from wiki as a basis of your argument on cost when you could by yourself google to find a veritable comparative pricing? Nigerian govt gave a total sum for buying the planes, you say, without a breakdown of the inputs and added components making up the sum......this to me is the evidence of your inadequacies. It seems your limitation in rationalizing things knows no bounds. You want to be spoon-fed? you cannot reason or what? makes me wonder why should I even waste time with/on you.

Lemme guess, you mean the random one from wikipedia or google? You cannot be this shallow! I would have expected that you make a comparative analysis with similar military purchase with related scope. I ask again, was Nigerian Airforce invoiced from wikipedia?

....so you expect me to help your inadequacies like Deomelo has done? unfortunately I do not have that kind of patience. Unfortunately for you, I unlike you do not need to be spoon-fed on what should ideally be basic reasoning.

prattling configuration? It is now that I see that you're dumber than I imagine. I can conclude that you do not read, neither do you diligently verify the facts you so claim; if not, you would have seen that the so-called google/wiki reference you and your dumb ipob ilks bandied left a rider.. "..... the price can go much higher depending on the configuration". I was only calling attention to the fact that you lot kept quoting $10m, are left out the concluding part

Obviously what am I going to do with your needless apologies. That you came up short in itself is comical enough.

Who asked you for a long epistle? Was it because you were so desperate seeking for cheap attention, that you had to respond with this pathetic treatise? Niggah, puhl-eeze! You are even more comical than I thought?

laudate:
Who asked you for a long epistle? Was it because you were so desperate seeking for cheap attention, that you had to respond with this pathetic treatise? Niggah, puhl-eeze! You are even more comical than I thought?

....at least this put things in right perspective, especially where I should place you........a comic relief

mapet:
....at least this put things in right perspective, especially where I should place you........a comic relief

What right perspective? Oh, you were referring to your attention-seeking, bloated, self-righteous views? How pathetic. The word 'right' and your moniker, do not belong in the same sentence. You are well-known for that, on NL. Now, swerve....