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Intrepid01:
You can be write about that. But one thing is certain from your posts on this thread, YOU ARE NOT INFORMED ON THE ISSUE OF PALESTINE-ISRAELI that has been on since 1948...I'll suggest you humble yourself and pick good books (books with unbiased opinion) on the issue. Maybe after then you would be able to make contributions devoid of emotions. Thank you Sir!

Oh I saw that word you used on me...It is also lending credence to the fact that you're not civil. Civilised people don't throw insults when they are called out. MR EDUCATED MAN you have a lot to learn, all of us though!

Oh look who's talking ''civil'' after calling people ''#uneducatedfools'' !!! I can see, that was very civil of you. For your information, it all started in the 19th century, probably in the beginning of the 19th century but the U.N tried to settle the rift in 1947, while Israel agreed to the settlement, your terrorist brothers rejected it and decided to start unleashing terror and mayhem on the world. It didn't start in 1948 as you ignorantly and foolishly claim, rather it was 1948 the Jews States declared independence of the State of Israel. Go and be educated.

funreadingbooks:
Please stop. You are disgracing intelligent Christians. The guy you are arguing with is telling the simple plain fact. Yes, according to the Bible the Israelites were given that land. But 2000 years ago, they killed the son of God and God punished them by destroying them and scattering them from the land. They can't come back 2000 years later and start to claim land that others have since settled on. That is why they had to buy the land from the current owners of the land in 1948.

Imagine some people came to your village in 1948 to buy land. Your elders sold to them. Then small small they start to encroach on land that you didn't sell to them. Then they establish their own government in your village and proclaim their independence. Will your village people accept?

I hope if i go through your posts, i wont find you anywhere supporting "Grazing Reserves"?

Kophschmerzen:
Priceless coming from a loser with the IQ of a doorknob. In saner climes, it will still be legal to abort everyone in your bloodline.

Go ask your harl.ot mother why she decided against aborting you, she will tell you it was because your uncle also slept with her when your drunken, useless father just raped her. Ask the whor.£ you call mother how many times she was gangraped by dogs. So does this make you a chimera? Oh yes! You are no human but a bastar. D formed by both animal and human sperm.

escodotman:
Stupid lies that you cooked up for the fools. Israel was the very first owner of the land which dates back thousands of years BCE!! When they faced war and were displaced, the Arab took the land in the 7th century and it remained in the Muslim control untill the crusade of 1099 which was followed by the Ottoman conquest in 1517. Later the Jews gathered themsleves in the 19th century and determined to return back to their rightful land and in 1947, United Nations lead a truce and partition for the Jews agency and the Arabs to divide the land and share Jerusalem between them. The Jews agency accepted the truce but the terrorist Arabs rejected it. In 1948, the Jews states declared the indepence of the State Of Israel! Since then, the terrorists have been waging an unending war with Israel and their brothers like you continue to wail. The irony of it though is that if lots like you were to leave Nigeria and choose to go to Israel or U.S that you hate so much, or go to Palestine or Iran, today, you hypocritic fools and nonentities would choose U.S or Israel!

Total horseshit!
How did you establish that Israel was the first owner of the land which dates back thousands of years BC ?
Kindly educate us.

Throwback:
I brought up the Iran deal to show and prove that America will not always have support for its actions by other world powers who are its allies, and will not always be right.

Apparently, I achieved my goal, hence your distress that I was able to prove so very effortlessly with a very recent political issue.

Maybe I was the one who created Israel in 1948.

I can already see I am debating with an ignorant religious maniac. You can continue arguing with history, but you cannot erase it.

After the present state of Israel was created in 1948, its first 5 Prime Ministers, starting from David Ben Gurion up to Golda Meir, were all migrants who were not born within Palestine, but were refugees from Ukraine, Poland, Russia, Austria, Germany etc.

Infact, they all changed their Slavic sounding names to sound Hebrew after arriving in the newly created Israel. And most Jews in Israel now, can only trace their origins inside Palestine to the 3rd or 4th generation, beyond which the traceability is directed outside towards Europe.

Meanwhile the Palestinians like Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abass, can trace their family's origin inside Palestine to over 20 generations before USA even existed, or Australia or New Zealand or Canada.

That the Jews existed at the time of Christ or in earlier times as part of the 12 tribes of Hebrew Israel, is no excuse for them to be grabbing land that currently belong to the Arabs.

Many countries and tribes that did not exist in blibical times now exist on land that belonged to some prehistoric people. Does it then mean that one day a tribe will begin to drag Egypt with the Arabs that migrated there over 1000yrs ago to occupy what had been previously occupied by Black Africans, the Greeks and later the Romans?

Will we one day see the Germans or French lose their land to some refugee tribe that will arrive and truly claim their own tribe once occupied those lands in prehistoric times or biblical times of the early Christian era, and is recorded in their own religious folklore?


Does the religious folklore of the Jews called holy books, not record that even the Hebrews were a genocidal army that exterminated tribes as they marched on to occupy the already occupied promised land and create the biblical Israel that had long ceased to exist upon Roman conquest, before the Arabs even expanded into what is now known as Palestine?

Indeed the current Jewish state of Israel was created in 1948 as the solution to the Jewish refugee crises of Europe, and the country was ruled by such Jewish refugees that arrived from Eastern Europe.


All of these are historical facts that even I as a Christian cannot refute, except I was a religious ass-licker like you.

I throwback your question at you since I never claimed the Arab Palestinians are the sole owners of the disputed Jerusalem.

Is Israel recognised by the international community to be the sole owner of Jerusalem, or to be legally occupying some of the land it has grabbed in its attempt to forcefully expand beyond the refugee boundaries it was granted in 1948 for which the country was thereby created and later recognised and admitted to the UN in 1949?

The point is why is the rest of the developed world opposed to USA giving a unilateral recognition to Israel over a Jerusalem that is still disputed and for which negotiations on the partitioning is still ongoing?

Why was the rest of the developed world absent at the USA embassy ceremony in Jerusalem? Why was the ceremony only attended by 3rd world countries that depend on grants and aids received from the USA?

Is the rest of the world wrong and USA is right?

Is the rest of Europe who know the origins of the Jewish refugee crisis that resulted to the creation of Israel in 1948 wrong?

Is Britain who had the UN mandate to oversee Palestine and that allowed the current undisputed boundary of Israel to be carved out of Palestine, wrong for not supporting USA in its unilateral decision?

Finally, why were the Zionist Jews raising money in Europe and America to buy Arab lands in Palestine at a time Israel did not exist and at a time they were advancing the agenda of relocating Jews in Europe to Palestine? Why will a tribe be buying land that you claim belonged to it, yet they were paying the Arab land owners? Till today, the Arabs have never disputed the lands they sold to the Jews, because they know they were duly paid for it. Their grouse remains that the Jews should never have been allowed to form a country within an Arab populated Palestine.

And if the Jews were allowed to form a country from Paelstine, why must the Arabs be prevented from forming a country for their own land of Palestine that they occupy? Why must the Jews continue to encroach further into Arab lands outside of the recognized boundary of Israel in 1948?

Thank you.

Unfortunately, such an informative and educational piece would be like casting pearls before swine to the ignorant.
Nigeria Christians are so passionate about this issue, yet sooooo ignorant of the history of this dispute.

escodotman:
Oh look who's talking ''civil'' after calling people ''#uneducatedfools'' !!! I can see, that was very civil of you. For your information, it all started in the 19th century, probably in the beginning of the 19th century but the U.N tried to settle the rift in 1947, while Israel agreed to the settlement, your terrorist brothers rejected it and decided to start unleashing terror and mayhem on the world. It didn't start in 1948 as you ignorantly and foolishly claim, rather it was 1948 the Jews States declared independence of the State of Israel. Go and be educated.

Lol...I can see you're trying so hard to show that you are educated but the more you try the more you convince informed people that you are not informed. The saga between the two states started in 1948 when the state of Israel was declared an independent state.

Ooh you also opined that I'm a muslim, ooh my geez, because my view does not support the Zionist state of Israel? You just continue to show that you're not informed. Disagreeing with you and not supporting Israel does not make one a muslim. I am a Christian and for your information, there are Christians in Palestine and Israel is not a Christian state....YOU REALLY DO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN!!!! my uninformed friend!...I'm busy here joor

escodotman:
Stupid lies that you cooked up for the fools. Israel was the very first owner of the land which dates back thousands of years BCE!! When they faced war and were displaced, the Arab took the land in the 7th century and it remained in the Muslim control untill the crusade of 1099 which was followed by the Ottoman conquest in 1517. Later the Jews gathered themsleves in the 19th century and determined to return back to their rightful land and in 1947, United Nations lead a truce and partition for the Jews agency and the Arabs to divide the land and share Jerusalem between them. The Jews agency accepted the truce but the terrorist Arabs rejected it. In 1948, the Jews states declared the indepence of the State Of Israel! Since then, the terrorists have been waging an unending war with Israel and their brothers like you continue to wail. The irony of it though is that if lots like you were to leave Nigeria and choose to go to Israel or U.S that you hate so much, or go to Palestine or Iran, today, you hypocritic fools and nonentities would choose U.S or Israel!

You are finally beginning to discuss with historical viewpoints like someone who has been cured of the gross stupidity that religion causes.

Can you see what you typed yourself?

So after much studies that hopefully did not cause you a headache, you now know that current state of Israel was just created in 1948?

And are you still saying that Israel was the first owner of the land? The same land they committed genocide to the glory of God as they marched from Egypt to the promised land that was already occupied?

Are the European Caucasians the first owner of the land now known as the USA? Are the Anglo Saxons whom we call English, the first occupiers of what is now called England in Britain? Are the English the first occupiers of Australia?

So what relevance is there that the Jews once occupied the region later known as Palestine, when they themselves were not the first occupiers? Was it the Arabs that chased the Jews out of a land that they themselves committed genocide to occupy as reported in their religious books?

Of what relevance is the prehistoric occupation of Palestine by Jews to the current Arab occupants who have existed there for about 1000yrs?

Why were the Zionist Jews buying land from the Arabs to accommodate Jewish migrants relocating from Europe?

Since you have embraced knowledge and illumination, and freed yourself from the religious bondage of ignorance, can you please read up on this Jewish settlement called Kfar Tavor formerly know as an Arab settlement called Meshah.

As at 1881, census showed that Meshah was a village of 100 Arab Muslims only. Then after it was bought from the Arabs by the Jews in 1901, it was renamed to its present name of Kfar Tavor in 1903. By the 1922 census the village was recorded as having 274 Jews only.

That is the kind of changes that occurred, but even the Arabs are not challenging the Jews for the land they know that they sold to them. They are challenging why the British would have firstly even allowed the Jews to carve out a section of Palestine to form their country that even still comprises of Arab Muslim and Arab Christian natives. Secondly they are challenging the Israeli government's deliberate further encroachment into Arab territory of what was left of Palestine after Israel was created in 1948.

Read about the First Aliyah that brought migrant Jews to settle in such villages like Kfar Tavor, and read about the Jewish Colonization Association that oversaw this planned relocation of Jews to majority Arab occupied Palestine.

Read about the aftermath of the 2nd world war that led to Jewish refugees all flocking to Palestine to occupy lands the Zionists had bought in preparation for the eventual creation of Israel out of Palestine in 1948, and the continued migration of more and more Jewish refugees to that same territory.

Throwback:
Facts and history are there in Britain to show its Celtic/Druid past, but today it is occupied by the Anglo-Saxons who are also known as English and who consolidated their hold on the unified English country at about the 10th to 11th century, which is the same time the Arabs have been native to the geographical area called Palestine.

Facts and history are there in Egypt to reflect the different civilizations that have occupied it in succession. Does that mean Egypt is not presently an Arab nation that has existed with its present ethnicity for over 1000yrs? The city of Alexandria in Egypt was named by the Greeks after Alexander the great.

Facts and history are there in the USA to show its red Indian past, but today it is occupied by English, Scot, Dutch, German, French, Irish, Italian, Jewish and African migrants. Many states in the USA still bear red Indian names like Ohio, Massachusetts, Idaho, Dakota, Arkansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Wyoming etc. The red Indians are still there in USA, but has that stopped it from being a white man's country that has existed for over 300yrs?

Facts and history are still there in Australia to show its Aborigines past and the Aborigines still exist there. Does that stop it from being a British country populated by Englishmen who are the land owners?

So why is the case of the Arabs in Palestine different when it is known even to the Jews that they bought lands from the Arab natives to increase the land holdings of the minority Jewish natives in preparation of the massive arrival of Jewish migrants as planned by the Zionist agenda to later create a Jewish nation within the Palestine that was dominated by the Arabs?

And if they did create their Jewish state of Israel that is still inhabited by Arab land owning natives living on their own land within the boundary of Israel, why then did the Jews begin to violently grab land that was never sold to them or that was not natively inhabited by the small Jewish population that have also been present in Palestine before the Jewish refugee relocation from Europe?


I repeat, you cannot refute history, so continue to hold on to your religious arguments where justice is not necessary in the need to carry out misguided religious obligations of support for a land grabbing genocidal tribe that is even recorded in their own religious books.

I have been keenly reading your posts and I must confess that you are intelligent but all you have been writing is total trash and you have tried such much to rewrite history upside-down just to get sympathy

NORSIYK:
I have been keenly reading your posts and I must confess that you are intelligent but all you have been writing is total trash and you have tried such much to rewrite history upside-down just to get sympathy

It is trash because it is not historical fact that it happened, or you wish it did not happen so you can have some religious victory and peace that does not regard justice?

Throwback:
It is trash because it is not historical fact that it happened, or you wish it did not happen so you can have some religious victory and peace that does not regard justice?

Has Palestine ever been a country before?

NORSIYK:
Has Palestine ever been a country before?

Nope it was not country, else its government would have duly opened a refugee camp to receive the Jews and keep them limited to a refugee camp!

Nope it was not a country, else the Jews who were buying land from the Arabs they met on ground, would have been forced to use such lands only for private enterprise and would not have nursed the ambition of carving out a country of refugees out of another sovereign country.

But it was a territory Arab landowners surrounded by other Arab nations and Lebanon.

The more reason the native Palestinians were irked that Britain that oversaw the territory, allowed Jewish refugees to come from Europe where the Arabs and Muslims played no part in the situation that led to a European Jewish refugee crisis, to form a country out of an Arab territory.


Now my own double question.

Are the Arabs of Palestine the owners of their own land, for which they can trace their ancestry from the present time to the past that exceeds 100s of years?

Who did the Jewish refugees meet in the territory called Palestine and who did the Jewish Zionists buy land from in Palestine?

Throwback:
You are finally beginning to discuss with historical viewpoints like someone who has been cured of the gross stupidity that religion causes.

Can you see what you typed yourself?

So after much studies that hopefully did not cause you a headache, you now know that current state of Israel was just created in 1948?

And are you still saying that Israel was the first owner of the land? The same land they committed genocide to the glory of God as they marched from Egypt to the promised land that was already occupied?

Are the European Caucasians the first owner of the land now known as the USA? Are the Anglo Saxons whom we call English, the first occupiers of what is now called England in Britain? Are the English the first occupiers of Australia?

So what relevance is there that the Jews once occupied the region later known as Palestine, when they themselves were not the first occupiers? Was it the Arabs that chased the Jews out of a land that they themselves committed genocide to occupy as reported in their religious books?

Of what relevance is the prehistoric occupation of Palestine by Jews to the current Arab occupants who have existed there for about 1000yrs?

Why were the Zionist Jews buying land from the Arabs to accommodate Jewish migrants relocating from Europe?

Since you have embraced knowledge and illumination, and freed yourself from the religious bondage of ignorance, can you please read up on this Jewish settlement called Kfar Tavor formerly know as an Arab settlement called Meshah.

As at 1881, census showed that Meshah was a village of 100 Arab Muslims only. Then after it was bought from the Arabs by the Jews in 1901, it was renamed to its present name of Kfar Tavor in 1903. By the 1922 census the village was recorded as having 274 Jews only.

That is the kind of changes that occurred, but even the Arabs are not challenging the Jews for the land they know that they sold to them. They are challenging why the British would have firstly even allowed the Jews to carve out a section of Palestine to form their country that even still comprises of Arab Muslim and Arab Christian natives. Secondly they are challenging the Israeli government's deliberate further encroachment into Arab territory of what was left of Palestine after Israel was created in 1948.

Read about the First Aliyah that brought migrant Jews to settle in such villages like Kfar Tavor, and read about the Jewish Colonization Association that oversaw this planned relocation of Jews to majority Arab occupied Palestine.

Read about the aftermath of the 2nd world war that led to Jewish refugees all flocking to Palestine to occupy lands the Zionists had bought in preparation for the eventual creation of Israel out of Palestine in 1948, and the continued migration of more and more Jewish refugees to that same territory.

Why is this guy trying to distort facts like this? Behave like someone who can read and comprehend for once and not someone who is intellectually deficient to understand a simple write-up for once! The write-up never said Israel was not in existence before, it rather said they were Jews and the STATE OF ISRAEL was declared an independent nation in 1948!! Israel's existence dates back to thousands of years BCE. You also ignorantly agreed said Israel and the Arabs were not original occupiers, when you formerly and wrongly said the Arabs were the original rightful owners of the land in dispute. Can you see you don't even know what you are saying? If Israel and Palestine were the both not original owners of the land, that they both migrated there as suggested by you, what now gives Palestine to start protesting because of an embassy that U.S moved somewhere?

meccuno:
[s][/s] trash as usual

Yes trash because it's too challenging to read and understand

Intrepid01:
Lol...I can see you're trying so hard to show that you are educated but the more you try the more you convince informed people that you are not informed. The saga between the two states started in 1948 when the state of Israel was declared an independent state.

Ooh you also opined that I'm a muslim, ooh my geez, because my view does not support the Zionist state of Israel? You just continue to show that you're not informed. Disagreeing with you and not supporting Israel does not make one a muslim. I am a Christian and for your information, there are Christians in Palestine and Israel is not a Christian state....YOU REALLY DO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN!!!! my uninformed friend!...I'm busy here joor

If you like, you can support your terrorist friends for all I care. Imagine a Muslim senator raising the issue that Nigeria went to attend the opening ceremony of U.S in Jerusalem!! That's why those people in the senate are never taken serious by Nigerians, including the police. This is the same U.S that dontes 1billion dollars to Nigeria every year, out of which the thief would probably collect his constituency project windfall!! The same Israel and U.S that assist Nigeria in terms of security, armed forces and weapons to combat insurgency that the senaotr's brothers in faith have unleashed on Northern Nigeria and now Middle Belt. It is ignorance and only uninformed people like you and the Islamic fanatic senator who defend people that their only contribution to the world and humanity is terrorism, bombing, mayhem. If I should choose between who renders help to Nigeria with $1billion yearly and some Islamic fundamentalists who kill innocent people including children, then there can be only one choice.

escodotman:
Why is this guy trying to distort facts like this? Behave like someone who can read and comprehend for once and not someone who is intellectually deficient to understand a simple write-up for once! The write-up never said Israel was not in existence before, it rather said they were Jews and the STATE OF ISRAEL was declared an independent nation in 1948!! Israel's existence dates back to thousands of years BCE. You also ignorantly agreed said Israel and the Arabs were not original occupiers, when you formerly and wrongly said the Arabs were the original rightful owners of the land in dispute. Can you see you don't even know what you are saying? If Israel and Palestine were the both not original owners of the land, that they both migrated there as suggested by you, what now gives Palestine to start protesting because of an embassy that U.S moved somewhere?

Kindly show us here a 1947 world map of the Middle-East, that shows anywhere called Israel. No state of Israel existed at the time the Arabs expanded into what was already known globally as Palestine. The current state of Israel was CREATED in 1948 from lands that the Jews had bought from Arabs within a territory that was populated by Arabs

The Greeks were the rulers of Egypt at a time of the dynasty of Ptolemy in the BC date era. Kindly show me where in Egypt is Greek today apart from the City of Alexandria that kept its Greek name as Jerusalem kept its historic Hebrew name, despite transitioning between many civilizations and ethnicities.

There is nothing like original owner of the land. The question is who was the current owner of the land in this modern world where many nations including USA and England exist on lands that were previously occupied by other tribes/nations.

In this modern world the current owners of Palestine were the majority tribe of native Arabs and sprinklings of minority native Jews. The majority Arabs trace their existence on the land to 100s of years. The takeover of Palestine by refugee Jews who Britain allowed to carve out the current country called Israel in 1948, is the sole reason for the conflict. A situation no other tribe or nation would allow on its territory, more-so when perpetrated by a refugee tribe whose claim is that their fore fathers whom the current occupants never met, used to once exist there almost 2000yrs earlier.


I ask you again, why were Jewish Zionists raising money in Europe and America to buy land from the Arabs who were the majority natives of Palestine?

I already gave you a historic village, Kfar Tavor (renamed from the Arabic, Meshah), that transitioned from being owned and populated by Arab Muslims, to being bought in 1901and owned and populated by Jews.

Yet you still want to argue with recent history.

So because the Anglo-Saxons are not the original occupants of England, are you saying a refugee tribe that is seeking asylum should go there and buy lands from the English and then try to carve out a country out of the existing area called England?

Are you also saying Black refugees should go and displace the Arabs in Egypt that they have occupied for about a 1000yrs?

The Arabs are the current owners of Palestine before a dispute ensued. They are the current owners that the Jewish refugees had to buy land from then formed a country that caused the dispute.

It should be the Jews begging for tolerance, accommodation and consideration.

Throwback:
Kindly show us here a 1947 world map of the Middle-East, that shows anywhere called Israel. No state of Israel existed at the time the Arabs expanded into what was already known globally as Palestine. The current state of Israel was CREATED in 1948 from lands that the Jews had bought from Arabs within a territory that was populated by Arabs

The Greeks were the rulers of Egypt at a time of the dynasty of Ptolemy in the BC date era. Kindly show me where in Egypt is Greek today apart from the City of Alexandria that kept its Greek name as Jerusalem kept its historic Hebrew name, despite transitioning between many civilizations and ethnicities.

There is nothing like original owner of the land. The question is who was the current owner of the land in this modern world where many nations including USA and England exist on lands that were previously occupied by other tribes/nations.

In this modern world the current owners of Palestine were the majority tribe of native Arabs and sprinklings of minority native Jews. The majority Arabs trace their existence on the land to 100s of years. The takeover of Palestine by refugee Jews who Britain allowed to carve out the current country called Israel in 1948, is the sole reason for the conflict. A situation no other tribe or nation would allow on its territory, more-so when perpetrated by a refugee tribe whose claim is that their fore fathers whom the current occupants never met, used to once exist there almost 2000yrs earlier.


I ask you again, why were Jewish Zionists raising money in Europe and America to buy land from the Arabs who were the majority natives of Palestine?

I already gave you a historic village, Kfar Tavor (renamed from the Arabic, Meshah), that transitioned from being owned and populated by Arab Muslims, to being bought in 1901and owned and populated by Jews.

Yet you still want to argue with recent history.

So because the Anglo-Saxons are not the original occupants of England, are you saying a refugee tribe that is seeking asylum should go there and buy lands from the English and then try to carve out a country out of the existing area called England?

Are you also saying Black refugees should go and displace the Arabs in Egypt that they have occupied for about a 1000yrs?

The Arabs are the current owners of Palestine before a dispute ensued. They are the current owners that the Jewish refugees had to buy land from then formed a country that caused the dispute.

It should be the Jews begging for tolerance, accommodation and consideration.

You want a map before 1947 showing Israel? Then show us the map showing Palestine about 2000 BCE!

Throwback:
Nope it was not country, else its government would have duly opened a refugee camp to receive the Jews and keep them limited to a refugee camp!

Nope it was not a country, else the Jews who were buying land from the Arabs they met on ground, would have been forced to use such lands only for private enterprise and would not have nursed the ambition of carving out a country of refugees out of another sovereign country.

But it was a territory Arab landowners surrounded by other Arab nations and Lebanon.

The more reason the native Palestinians were irked that Britain that oversaw the territory, allowed Jewish refugees to come from Europe where the Arabs and Muslims played no part in the situation that led to a European Jewish refugee crisis, to form a country out of an Arab territory.


Now my own double question.

Are the Arabs of Palestine the owners of their own land, for which they can trace their ancestry from the present time to the past that exceeds 100s of years?

Who did the Jewish refugees meet in the territory called Palestine and who did the Jewish Zionists buy land from in Palestine?

There has never been a nation known as Palestine ever in the history of the world. Nations have governments, armies, currencies, laws and everything else. Palestine is the mythical “ghost nation” created by modern-day Muslims in an attempt to try and undo and destroy the legitimate Jewish state of Israel that has existed for the last 3,500 years.

Throwback:
Kindly show us here a 1947 world map of the Middle-East, that shows anywhere called Israel. No state of Israel existed at the time the Arabs expanded into what was already known globally as Palestine. The current state of Israel was CREATED in 1948 from lands that the Jews had bought from Arabs within a territory that was populated by Arabs

The Greeks were the rulers of Egypt at a time of the dynasty of Ptolemy in the BC date era. Kindly show me where in Egypt is Greek today apart from the City of Alexandria that kept its Greek name as Jerusalem kept its historic Hebrew name, despite transitioning between many civilizations and ethnicities.

There is nothing like original owner of the land. The question is who was the current owner of the land in this modern world where many nations including USA and England exist on lands that were previously occupied by other tribes/nations.

In this modern world the current owners of Palestine were the majority tribe of native Arabs and sprinklings of minority native Jews. The majority Arabs trace their existence on the land to 100s of years. The takeover of Palestine by refugee Jews who Britain allowed to carve out the current country called Israel in 1948, is the sole reason for the conflict. A situation no other tribe or nation would allow on its territory, more-so when perpetrated by a refugee tribe whose claim is that their fore fathers whom the current occupants never met, used to once exist there almost 2000yrs earlier.


I ask you again, why were Jewish Zionists raising money in Europe and America to buy land from the Arabs who were the majority natives of Palestine?

I already gave you a historic village, Kfar Tavor (renamed from the Arabic, Meshah), that transitioned from being owned and populated by Arab Muslims, to being bought in 1901and owned and populated by Jews.

Yet you still want to argue with recent history.

So because the Anglo-Saxons are not the original occupants of England, are you saying a refugee tribe that is seeking asylum should go there and buy lands from the English and then try to carve out a country out of the existing area called England?

Are you also saying Black refugees should go and displace the Arabs in Egypt that they have occupied for about a 1000yrs?

The Arabs are the current owners of Palestine before a dispute ensued. They are the current owners that the Jewish refugees had to buy land from then formed a country that caused the dispute.

It should be the Jews begging for tolerance, accommodation and consideration.

The Palestine only came to be after world War one, the name ‘Palestine’ was applied to the territory that was placed under British Mandate; this area included not only present-day Israel but also present-day Jordan.

How come the so called Koran never made mention of Palestine or Jerusalem in its text unlike the holy Bible that mentions over 600 times of Israel and Jerusalem

NORSIYK:
The Palestine only came to be after world War one, the name ‘Palestine’ was applied to the territory that was placed under British Mandate; this area included not only present-day Israel but also present-day Jordan.

I know Jordan too was part of Palestine.

Palestine was the name given to the territory by the Romans after they sacked Jerusalem as a response to Jewish insurrection to Roman domination.

That name has existed for almost 2000yrs.

Intrepid01:
Lol...I can see you're trying so hard to show that you are educated but the more you try the more you convince informed people that you are not informed. The saga between the two states started in 1948 when the state of Israel was declared an independent state.

Ooh you also opined that I'm a muslim, ooh my geez, because my view does not support the Zionist state of Israel? You just continue to show that you're not informed. Disagreeing with you and not supporting Israel does not make one a muslim. I am a Christian and for your information, there are Christians in Palestine and Israel is not a Christian state....YOU REALLY DO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN!!!! my uninformed friend!...I'm busy here joor

An Arab Christian by the border!

NORSIYK:
There has never been a nation known as Palestine ever in the history of the world. Nations have governments, armies, currencies, laws and everything else. Palestine is the mythical “ghost nation” created by modern-day Muslims in an attempt to try and undo and destroy the legitimate Jewish state of Israel that has existed for the last 3,500 years.

Read what you just typed, and ask yourself if it makes any sense.

** Palestine already existed in that territory for about a 1,000 years, how can you say they were created to destroy some Jewish state (which state if I may ask?, Prior to 1948 was there any nation known as Isreal?). What you know as isreal today is an artificial creation by Bristish government

Throwback:
I know Jordan too was part of Palestine.

Palestine was the name given to the territory by the Romans after they sacked Jerusalem as a response to Jewish insurrection to Roman domination.

That name has existed for almost 2000yrs.

So who were the Jerusalem that the Romans sacked , the Arabs or Jews?

NORSIYK:
There has never been a nation known as Palestine ever in the history of the world. Nations have governments, armies, currencies, laws and everything else. Palestine is the mythical “ghost nation” created by modern-day Muslims in an attempt to try and undo and destroy the legitimate Jewish state of Israel that has existed for the last 3,500 years.

There has been no known nation called Palestine, but there has always been a territory called Palestine since the Romans sacked the Jews.

The Jews were not sacked by Arabs who arrived hundreds of years later.

There has been no Jewish state since the Romans sacked it and the ownership transitioned between many empires and inhabitants that culminated in the current Arab inhabitants.

The same Arab inhabitants the Jews were buying land from. The same land you are trying to convince us has always been Jewish from 3500yrs ago till date.

Why would the Jews buy Arab Muslim land to create Jewish villages if you are claiming that the Jewish state of Israel has always existed for the last 3500yrs?

All you have said above only suggests that you don't even know anything about Zionism or the Jewish Colonization Association.

Remind me again why the Jews would want to colonize a territory they where buying lands from the Arab, if there has been an existing Jewish state for the past 3500yrs till now?

Remind me what was the government of this Jewish state for the almost 2000yrs since the Romans sacked the Jews and named the area Palestine?

Who were their leaders and why does this Jewish state only exist in your mind and not in world maps of that interval that ended in 1948?

Why were Jews refugees in Europe?

Efewestern:
Read what you just typed, and ask yourself if it makes any sense.

** Palestine already existed in that territory for about a 1,000 years, how can you say they were created to destroy some Jewish state (which state if I may ask?, Prior to 1948 was there any nation known as Isreal?). What you know as isreal today is an artificial creation by Bristish government

Why Israel also has existed over 3000 years

escodotman:
Stupid lies that you cooked up for the fools. Israel was the very first owner of the land which dates back thousands of years BCE!! When they faced war and were displaced, the Arab took the land in the 7th century and it remained in the Muslim control untill the crusade of 1099 which was followed by the Ottoman conquest in 1517. Later the Jews gathered themsleves in the 19th century and determined to return back to their rightful land and in 1947, United Nations lead a truce and partition for the Jews agency and the Arabs to divide the land and share Jerusalem between them. The Jews agency accepted the truce but the terrorist Arabs rejected it. In 1948, the Jews states declared the indepence of the State Of Israel! Since then, the terrorists have been waging an unending war with Israel and their brothers like you continue to wail. The irony of it though is that if lots like you were to leave Nigeria and choose to go to Israel or U.S that you hate so much, or go to Palestine or Iran, today, you hypocritic fools and nonentities would choose U.S or Israel!

The Jews weren't the first to get there, people who were there were massacred. And you deceptively tried to pin the exile of Jews on Muslims which is a huge deception. The Romans were the ones that chased many Jews out not Muslims, haven't you wondered why the Romans were in charge during the time of Christ?

After the departure of christ, the Jews revolted and they were defeated with thousands killed from both sides, the Romans exiled most of the men involved and their families. They then destroyed the temple, all this happened under Emperor Titus in 70 AD. Prophet Muhammad was born 500 years later, this same Romans who persecuted the Jews then embraced Christianity and were known as Byzantines. They persecuted Jews and other Christians like Nestorians, Arians and Copts.

It was Muslims in the 7th century as you rightly said that restored order when they took most parts of Palestine and Syria from the Byzantines. Jerusalem remained with Muslims for 400 years until the Byzantines invited the crusaders, I'm surprised you're praising the crusaders, you should read about what they did even in Jerusalem, you would be ashamed. The crusaders controlled Jerusalem for 86years and Muslims recovered it and controlled it till the first world war when the British took it over. Muslims gained control again and it was lost when Israel defeated Jordan in 1967.

But I'll tell you mehn, we would recover the lost lands again.

Throwback:
There has been no known nation called Palestine, but there has always been a territory called Palestine since the Romans sacked the Jews.

The Jews were not sacked by Arabs who arrived hundreds of years later.

There has been no Jewish state since the Romans sacked it and the ownership transitioned between many empires and inhabitants that culminated in the current Arab inhabitants.

The same Arab inhabitants the Jews were buying land from. The same land you are trying to convince us has always been Jewish from 3500yrs ago till date.

Why would the Jews buy Arab Muslim land to create Jewish villages if you are claiming that the Jewish state of Israel has always existed for the last 3500yrs?

All you have said above only suggests that you don't even know anything about Zionism or the Jewish Colonization Association.

Remind me again why the Jews would want to colonize a territory they where buying lands from the Arab, if there has been an existing Jewish state for the past 3500yrs till now?

Remind me what was the government of this Jewish state for the almost 2000yrs since the Romans sacked the Jews and named the area Palestine?

Who were their leaders and why does this Jewish state only exist in your mind and not in world maps of that interval that ended in 1948?

Why were Jews refugees in Europe?

Going by your analysis the land originally belongs to the Jews and why are you guys (Muslims) find it difficult to accept.

Throwback:
Nope it was not country, else its government would have duly opened a refugee camp to receive the Jews and keep them limited to a refugee camp!

Nope it was not a country, else the Jews who were buying land from the Arabs they met on ground, would have been forced to use such lands only for private enterprise and would not have nursed the ambition of carving out a country of refugees out of another sovereign country.

But it was a territory Arab landowners surrounded by other Arab nations and Lebanon.

The more reason the native Palestinians were irked that Britain that oversaw the territory, allowed Jewish refugees to come from Europe where the Arabs and Muslims played no part in the situation that led to a European Jewish refugee crisis, to form a country out of an Arab territory.


Now my own double question.

Are the Arabs of Palestine the owners of their own land, for which they can trace their ancestry from the present time to the past that exceeds 100s of years?

Who did the Jewish refugees meet in the territory called Palestine and who did the Jewish Zionists buy land from in Palestine?

Bro, it might shock you that many the Palestinians you see who are Arabs aren't really genetically Arabs. They were the Jews, Christians, Samaritans and other inhabitants that remained in the country when Arab Muslims came in the 7th century. They adopted Islam and the Arabic language, this is very similar to the Syrians, Lebanese (who are genetically the surviving Canaanites), Sudan and Egypt.

NORSIYK:
How come the so called Koran never made mention of Palestine or Jerusalem in its text unlike the holy Bible that mentions over 600 times of Israel and Jerusalem

Mumu, it's better to keep shut if you know nothing.

Demmzy15:
The Jews weren't the first to get there, people who were there were massacred. And you deceptively tried to pin the exile of Jews on Muslims which is a huge deception. The Romans were the ones that chased many Jews out not Muslims, haven't you wondered why the Romans were in charge during the time of Christ?

After the departure of christ, the Jews revolted and they were defeated with thousands killed from both sides, the Romans exiled most of the men involved and their families. They then destroyed the temple, all this happened under Emperor Titus in 70 AD. Prophet Muhammad was born 500 years later, this same Romans who persecuted the Jews then embraced Christianity and were known as Byzantines. They persecuted Jews and other Christians like Nestorians, Arians and Copts.

It was Muslims in the 7th century as you rightly said that restored order when they took most parts of Palestine and Syria from the Byzantines. Jerusalem remained with Muslims for 400 years until the Byzantines invited the crusaders, I'm surprised you're praising the crusaders, you should read about what they did even in Jerusalem, you would be ashamed. The crusaders controlled Jerusalem for 86years and Muslims recovered it and controlled it till the first world war when the British took it over. Muslims gained control again and it was lost when Israel defeated Jordan in 1967.

But I'll tell you mehn, we would recover the lost lands again.

Must you try to ''recover'' it through terrorism? Are you not ashamed of yourself as your brothers in faith have unleashed terror and bloodshed on the world, even in Northern Nigeria and now the Middle Belt?

NORSIYK:
So who were the Jerusalem that the Romans sacked , the Arabs or Jews?

Who told you Jews were the only inhabitants of Jerusalem? And don't you know Palestine is very big and contains many cities within it like Bethlehem, Jericho, Nablus, Hebron, Yaffa, etc

escodotman:
Must you try to ''recover'' it through terrorism? Are you not ashamed of yourself as your brothers in faith have unleashed terror and bloodshed on the world, even in Northern Nigeria and now the Middle Belt?

Call it whatever you like, we know your likes, whenever the irrefutable truth has been spilled on your face you begin to resort to personal attacks. Israel has killed over 60 people, no Israeli has been killed yet Muslims are the terrorists.

Sorry to burst your bubble, when Muslims took over Jerusalem from the Crusaders, they were helped by Arab Christians and Jews. So don't worry, those Khazars that call themselves Jews will be sent back to Europe. Heck, Netanyahu's is from Poland for crying out loud!!!