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NORSIYK:
So who were the Jerusalem that the Romans sacked , the Arabs or Jews?

The Jews were the ones sacked by the Romans in Jerusalem, Just as the Jews also sacked tribes and committed genocide as recorded in their own holy books to occupy the same land from the tribes that predated them.

That was the way of the world even till the middle ages.

That was how white America came to be by forcefully and violently displacing the native Red Indians.

That was how Anglo-Saxon (English) Britain came to be by sacking the native Druids.

That was how Australia came to be with the English sacking the native Aborigines.

Now in this modern world that does not tolerate territorial conquest, the refugee Jews from Europe want to repeat a theft that their ancestors were also guilty of?

And you say the Native Arabs should remain friendly and let go of land they have been occupying for the past 100s of years till date before refugees arrived from Europe?

Efewestern:
Read what you just typed, and ask yourself if it makes any sense.

** Palestine already existed in that territory for about a 1,000 years, how can you say they were created to destroy some Jewish state (which state if I may ask?, Prior to 1948 was there any nation known as Isreal?). What you know as isreal today is an artificial creation by Bristish government

How can you people just come on social media to distort history and throw facts into the bin like this... Israel a creation of British government? Was there anything like British when Israel built The Pyramid of Egypt that is one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world today, thousands of years BCE? How come the same Israel is a ''creation by the British government''? What you typed, does it make sense to you?

Demmzy15:
Call it whatever you like, we know your likes, whenever the irrefutable truth has been spilled on your face you begin to resort to personal attacks. Israel has killed over 60 people, no Israeli has been killed yet Muslims are the terrorists.

Sorry to burst your bubble, when Muslims took over Jerusalem from the Crusaders, they were helped by Arab Christians and Jews. So don't worry, those Khazars that call themselves Jews will be sent back to Europe. Heck, Netanyahu's is from Poland for crying out loud!!!

Jerusalem belongs to Israel alone, like Benjamin Netanyahu said Jerusalem can never be shared with the Arabs. Israel have come to stay for good whether you and your fellow Muslims like it or not, long time ago Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey have accepted the glaring reality, Saudi Arabia has also started mending their relationship with the Jewish state.

escodotman:
How can you people just come on social media to distort history and throw facts into the bin like this... Israel a creation of British government? Was there anything like British when Israel built The Pyramid of Egypt that is one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world today, thousands of years BCE? How come the same Israel is a ''creation by the British government''? What you typed, does it make sense to you?

Has anybody told you that the Hebrew/Jewish tribe did not exist or that they were not slaves in Egypt before they went on to commit genocides to occupy the promised land that was already occupied by other tribes?

The kingdom of Israel existed as were also many kingdoms then that don't exist anymore including the vast Babylonia and its glorious city of Babylon with its hanging gardens that are recorded as a world wonder just like the Pyramids in Egypt.

The old Babylonia is now Iraq, an Arab Muslim country. And the Arabs expanded there from the Arabian peninsular, long after Babylonia had ceased to exist.

So does it mean Babylonia still exist, since you claim Israel that was just created by European Jewish refugees in 1948 from what was land bought from Arabs, has always existed because it existed as a kingdom in the past?

Who were the leaders of this imaginary Israel in this AD calendar times leading up to the middle-ages to the Victorian era?

There was a vast and flourishing kingdom called Timbuktu in present day Northern Mali, but no such kingdom exist now. What exist now is Mali.

What exist now is Palestine, and Jewish refugees from Europe are dragging it with the native Arabs who the Jews were buying land from.

The current Israel remains a country that was created by majority European Jewish refugees with British approval in 1948.

The Jews played a fast one on the Arabs of Palestine territory.

Even Britain certainly regrets its role in the whole crises.

NORSIYK:
Jerusalem belongs to Israel alone, like Benjamin Netanyahu said Jerusalem can never be shared with the Arabs. Israel have come to stay for good whether you and your fellow Muslims like it or not, long time ago Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey have accepted the glaring reality, Saudi Arabia has also started mending their relationship with the Jewish state.

So your own problem and focus of argument is religion inspired?

So what does Israel plan to do about the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians that are native to land that is even within already accepted Israeli territory?

The Jewish Zionists who were buying land from the Arabs then before Israel was created, should have been boasting then that they will not share an Arab populated Jerusalem with the Arabs.

Now that they feel they have well positioned themselves after their land theft, they can make boasts proudly.

Imagine refugees boasting after the takeover.

WHO CARE ABOUT BLOODY RELIGION?

NORSIYK:
Going by your analysis the land originally belongs to the Jews and why are you guys (Muslims) find it difficult to accept.

Originally belonged to the Jews? How?

Because the many tribes the Jews killed to occupy the promised land are not original?

Has white America let go of the land that belonged to the Red Indians they met there and that are still there?

Have the English let go of the Australia they met Aborigines occupying?

Or are you saying America is giving the Jews what they once occupied, but same America is still holding on to Red Indian land?

Was it the Arabs that sacked the Jews from a land that the Jews also previously sacked to occupy? Did the Arabs meet any Israel nation in a land that was then already known as Palestine?

Why are the Jews finding it difficult to accept that because land was sold to refugees, it does not give you the authority to carve out a country from a Palestine that was Arab dominated.

And why would an acclaimed owner be buying land that belonged to it?

escodotman:
How can you people just come on social media to distort history and throw facts into the bin like this... Israel a creation of British government? Was there anything like British when [s] Israel built The Pyramid of Egypt that is one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world today, thousands of years BCE? [/s] How come the same Israel is a ''creation by the British government''? What you typed, does it make sense to you?

Was there any nation known as isreal prior to 1948?, was The current isreal state not a British creation?, Jews as a people existed for a long time no doubt, thats not the reason for this arguement , what we are disputing here is the territory, who owns the land they are illegally occupying.

@bolded, another lie from you, Jews didn't build any pyramid

https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids

KingOfAmebo:
Read between the lines...Nigeria have been ravaged by Boko haram or Fulani Herdsmen and Buhari has made it open in the past of his mission to islamize Nigeria...maybe Christians in Nigeria will eventually wake up when all Churches are destroyed and no place to worship.

Mere seeing the way you reason from the nonsense you keep typing is enough evidence to show how slow you are. It's either that you absolutely can't reason like a matured man or that you are totally misinformed and therefore swimming in religious delusion, or both, which is even worse. How can you come on a public forum such as this and be showing your warped reasoning? Isn't it even shameful to you? Gosh! You're so shameless

You better go and play with whatever childish play you're used to, you're not making sense here at all.

escodotman:
The whole of your family including your father are not half as educated as I am. Bastar. D

Bros I dont mean to insult you but you are a blockhead

escodotman:
You want a map before 1947 showing Israel? Then show us the map showing Palestine about 2000 BCE!

You just won't stop blabbing. The guy keeps presenting facts and Salient points and rather than for you to counter them, you keep giving very dumb and childish replies. It's now obvious that you're not ready for the truth neither are you even ready to learn..
you have a brain right inside your skull, why don't you make good use of it?

NORSIYK:
Jerusalem belongs to Israel alone, like Benjamin Netanyahu said Jerusalem can never be shared with the Arabs. Israel have come to stay for good whether you and your fellow Muslims like it or not, long time ago Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey have accepted the glaring reality, Saudi Arabia has also started mending their relationship with the Jewish state.

In Islam making peace with enemy doesn't mean you accept or support him, this is what many people including Muslims don't understand. We have our prophecies and its bound to happen, mark my words. We would recover Jerusalem, it has happened before. This isn't the first time we've lost it, the last time it was recovered back not even by an Arab but a Kurd. So enjoy, Muslims are coming!

Throwback:
Imagine a world that did not have the Israel-Palestine conflict. Imagine what peace the Middle-East and the world would have had?

Have you ever asked yourself why you never heard of Arab-Christian conflict in the modern world until the Israel-Palestinian conflict started?

Imagine if there was no American inspired conflict in any part of the world?

Even you wouldn't be this hateful and frustrated.

Religion has taken its toll on your reasoning and objectivity

Imagine how you have absconded from your argument of Jewish ownership of Arab land, only to settle for religious fanaticism and taken solace that your are fighting a religious cause that does not value Justice?

Every human is my brother, even if I don't share their religious belief. It is obvious you are a religious maniac not different from the Muslim terrorists you have been berating.

Continue to argue with history, and tell me how you would react if a refugee tribe comes to your village that has existed for 100s of years, and claim that their fore fathers that your own fore fathers never met there, are the original owners of the land so you should take your leave for their own takeover.

I ask you again to show you how shallow and empty headed you are, why were the Jews raising money all over Europe and USA to buy lands in Palestine from Arab land owners?

Why is it that most Jews cannot trace their history in Palestine beyond the 3rd/4th generation, beyond which they have to trace it to Ukraine, Poland and Austria?

Why is it that the first 5 Prime Ministers of the nation of Israel that did not exist in any world map before 1948, were all Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe?

Lastly, why are the white Americans the owners of USA they only began to occupy 300yrs ago? Why are the Anglo Saxons the owners of England they began to occupy about 1700yrs ago? Why are the English the owners of Australia and New Zealand that they began to occupy less than 400yrs ago?

So why are the Arabs not the owners of Palestine that they have occupied for over 1000yrs?

Can you prove that even your own tribe have occupied the village you lay claim to for up to 1000yrs?

So why is Palestine that accommodated Jewish refugees who had been buying land from the Arabs, be said to be owned by Israel that only existed after Jewish refugee settlement?

For once, spare your brain from the corruption and bias of religion and think like a reasoning human with a conscience.

If refugees can form their own country, why won't the recorded land owners who sold the Jews some of the land, form their own country in peace without Israel running like a puppet up and down to secure American support over their illegalities?

The only hope of Israel is USA and their continued partiality, beyond that they know they have to deal with a fair and impartial UN and EU who know more about the origins of the whole issue.

All I see here is power tussle, the Jews sacked the Canaanites from their homes and then got sacked by the romans where as the romans were exterminated by the Ottoman Arabs.
the number of years one occupied the land is inconsequential here since the people with the power would occupy it and claim as theirs and after so many century it begins to feel and known as theirs.
this can be said to have happened in the named places in your post. the red Indians with power can tussle the whites and heaven won't fall.
my point is that neither the Palestinians nor the Israelites ideally has a claim on the land since they are not the original owner of the land.
nevertheless Jerusalem belongs to Israel since according to UN, Israel is a state and Palestine isn't, thus has every POWER to choose any where within its territory as its capital. please don't start telling me that Jerusalem is within the territory of a country that isn't in existence.
furthermore, this tussle can be liken to the case of Biafra and Nigeria. if peradventure Nigeria decides to relocate its capital to port Harcourt, a land chosen by the Biafra to be its future capital, will you then tell me that Nigeria shouldn't exercise its full POWER ?.

Throwback:
Cameroun has been rightly decided legally to be the owner of Bakassi. The Europeans carved out the countries in Africa, and their documents already suggest that Bakassi is part of Cameroun, so enough of the complaint over what you never put in place to begin with.

Why would I complain over how such judgement was given by the world court that relied on documentary evidence?

The people of Bakassi own their land, but the land is within the territorial boundary of Cameroun. So the people should have accepted to become Camerounians after the judgment, just as some other villages along the Northern borders with Cameroun were also swapped in both directions between the 2 contesting countries.

Palestine is the owner of their section of Jerusalem while Israel is the owner of its own occupied section.

Even till now, the Jews themselves know that they cannot claim ownership of all of Jerusalem.

It is the Jews that modern history of the last 150yrs records as having migrated to the region known as Palestine to buy lands from the land owning Arabs who were the majority on the land, with a very insignificant minority Jews existing.

The Jews were allowed to form the present Israel from the land of Palestine, as war refugees who had escaped the persecutions in Europe and as Zionist migrant who had bought various parcels of land from the Arab land owners. The Palestine region was till that time, a British mandate, so the UK allowed the Jewish settlers to carve out the areas of Palestine that they bought or already populated as natives.

And upon forming their own nation state, have prevented the native Palestinians from having a country of their own on their own land that they have existed for over a thousand years, long before the Europeans formed USA or the Anglo-Saxons departed mainland Europe to dominate as the present English tribe over the original Britons of Britain. Even long before these same English tribe later departed Britain to settle in New Zealand or Australia, the Arabs have existed as the natives of Palestine with no country or nation called Israel existing. Also long before the Jewish refugees began arriving from Ukraine, Poland, Austria etc, to occupy land that had been bought by the Zionists from Arab natives.


If the current nation of Israel was allowed to exist as a creation of post world war 2 Jewish refugee crises, why not remain within the undisputed boundaries of that nation? Why extend into Arab lands that were never sold to Jewish Zionists that planned to establish Israel and that were never populated by the minority Jews that also were native to Palestine before the Zionism agenda started?


Why must the land grabbing by the refugee Jews be tolerated after they had been allowed to establish a nation inside Palestine, within a boundary that was not contested with them?

Drop the religious garb and embrace objectivity in your argument.

Or are you saying that even Israel is mad to admit that Eastern Jerusalem is a territory of the Arab Palestine?

Ask yourself a simple question. What has stopped Israel from occupying the whole of Jerusalem as a capital city since the current state of Israel had been created since 1948 after the 2nd world war Jewish refugee crisis?

Have you even bothered to look at the ethnic and religious composition of the state of Israel? The Jews are unable to get rid of the Arab Muslim and Arab Christian land owners that still exist as natives within the very heart of undisputed Jewish territory.

Your argument is biased, you gone back to a thousand years, forgetting that this Jews were the original inhabitants of those lands. After they were dispersed by the Roman Empire, they were scattered around Europe. Before the outbreak of both world wars, the Jews have been systematically buying the lands from the Arabs, bear in mind that there were still minority Jews that were still living in those lands. After the world wars, a state was created both states and the Arabs refused and went to war that they lost! Why didn't the Arabs accept the initial agreement? Whose fault is it that the Arabs lost wars against the Jewish state. That doesn't change the fact that Israel is becoming a rogue state and it is practicing an apartheid system of government.
Both people are at fault and the world owes the Palestinians their own statehood.

Vickygirk:
All I see here is power tussle, the Jews sacked the Canaanites from their homes and then got sacked by the romans where as the romans were exterminated by the Ottoman Arabs.
the number of years one occupied the land is inconsequential here since the people with the power would occupy it and claim as theirs and after so many century it begins to feel and known as theirs.
this can be said to have happened in the named places in your post. the red Indians with power can tussle the whites and heaven won't fall.
my point is that neither the Palestinians nor the Israelites ideally has a claim on the land since they are not the original owner of the land.
nevertheless Jerusalem belongs to Israel since according to UN, Israel is a state and Palestine isn't, thus has every POWER to choose any where within its territory as its capital. please don't start telling me that Jerusalem is within the territory of a country that isn't in existence.
furthermore, this tussle can be liken to the case of Biafra and Nigeria. if peradventure Nigeria decides to relocate its capital to port Harcourt, a land chosen by the Biafra to be its future capital, will you then tell me that Nigeria shouldn't exercise its full POWER ?.

@cancelled, that's an oxymoron. There's nothing like Ottoman Arab, Ottomans were mostly Turks, Greek and Roman Muslims. There was no extermination by Muslims, Muslims started having confrontations with the Romans around 631 AD and then Roman empire officially ended in 1453 AD which is over 800 years difference.

osaigbovo16:
Your argument is biased, you gone back to a thousand years, forgetting that this Jews were the original inhabitants of those lands. After they were dispersed by the Roman Empire, they were scattered around Europe. Before the outbreak of both world wars, the Jews have been systematically buying the lands from the Arabs, bear in mind that there were still minority Jews that were still living in those lands. After the world wars, a state was created both states and the Arabs refused and went to war that they lost! Why didn't the Arabs accept the initial agreement? Whose fault is it that the Arabs lost wars against the Jewish state. That doesn't change the fact that Israel is becoming a rogue state and it is practicing an apartheid system of government.
Both people are at fault and the world owes the Palestinians their own statehood.

If the Romans/Europeans were the ones that sent them out, what now concerns the Arabs there? Why kill them? Don't you know that even while the Jews were persecuted it was still the same Muslim empire that took them in and protected them. And what initial agreement are you talking about? How would you feel if someone came into your home and then split your home in 54/46 taking the larger part even when he isn't the majority and at the same time displacing almost a million of your people? Tell you wouldn't fight for your home, that's human instinct. Any reasonable person would fight!

Demmzy15:
If the Romans/Europeans were the ones that sent them out, what now concerns the Arabs there? Why kill them? Don't you know that even while the Jews were persecuted it was still the same Muslim empire that took them in and protected them. And what initial agreement are you talking about? How would you feel if someone came into your home and then split your home in 54/46 taking the larger part even when he isn't the majority and at the same time displacing almost a million of your people? Tell you wouldn't fight for your home, that's human instinct. Any reasonable person would fight!

The Jewish State was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine, a slightly larger area to accommodate the increasing numbers of Jews who would immigrate there. [51] [unreliable source? ][53] The Jewish State included three fertile lowland plains – the
Sharon on the coast, the Jezreel Valley and the upper Jordan Valley . The bulk of the proposed Jewish State's territory, however, consisted of the Negev Desert . [49] The desert was not suitable for agriculture, nor for urban development at that time.



Most of those lands weren't fertile! The Israelis made them arable. I don't support actions of the Israelis but I don't like biased arguments.
The only reason Israel is as powerful as it is, is because they understand power play and have used it to their advantages. Israelis sponsored both world wars. That why many Arabs believe the holocaust is a hoax.

osaigbovo16:
Your argument is biased, you gone back to a thousand years, forgetting that this Jews were the original inhabitants of those lands. After they were dispersed by the Roman Empire, they were scattered around Europe. Before the outbreak of both world wars, the Jews have been systematically buying the lands from the Arabs, bear in mind that there were still minority Jews that were still living in those lands. After the world wars, a state was created both states and the Arabs refused and went to war that they lost! Why didn't the Arabs accept the initial agreement? Whose fault is it that the Arabs lost wars against the Jewish state. That doesn't change the fact that Israel is becoming a rogue state and it is practicing an apartheid system of government.
Both people are at fault and the world owes the Palestinians their own statehood.

If I was biased, I wouldn't have mentioned many times on this same thread that the Jews still had a minority native population in Palestine as evidence of their previous occupation of that territory.

You do not expect people who occupied a territory to accept that Jewish refugees from Europe will carve a country out of a territory they occupied as land owners.

The Arab natives were not selling their land to the Jews with the knowledge that they wanted to carve out a country out of it. They were selling land that they thought would be used for farming. Land they thought wasn't even as fertile as the Jews conditioned it to become.

Be careful when you use the term original inhabitant instead of predating inhabitant.

Did the Jews predate the Arabs on the land later known as Palestine in the modern history of the Christian era? Yes!

Did the Hebrew/Jew who entered Egypt as a family but departed as a slave nation, the original inhabitant of the land known as Palestine? No!

The Hebrew committed holy genocide to occupy that promised land forcefully and create their own kingdom named Israel.

The Arabs did not sack the Jews from the land, but came hundreds of years after the Jews had been sacked like they sacked to also occupy.

So why would you expect the Arabs of Palestine and the neighbouring Arab nations to just accept that a certain tribe that had last occupied the land almost 2000yrs earlier, has a right to return from Europe to carve out a country from a territory that many nations had since ruled over.

That there was no nation state in place by the Arabs in Palestine is not unusual when the territory was politically under British mandate.

Throwback:
You do not expect people who occupied a territory to accept that Jewish refugees from Europe will carve a country out of a territory they occupied as land owners.

The Arab natives were not selling their land to the Jews with the knowledge that they wanted to carve out a country out of it. They were selling land that they thought would be used for farming. Land they thought wasn't even as fertile as the Jews conditioned it to become.

Be careful when you use the term original inhabitant instead of predating inhabitant.

Did the Jews predate the Arabs on the land later known as Palestine in the modern history of the Christian era? Yes!

Did the Hebrew/Jew who entered Egypt as a family but departed as a slave nation, the original inhabitant of the land known as Palestine? No!

You will have to agree both people have claims to the land. The UN partitions of Palestine favoured the Arabs, they went to war and lost. In war the winning side always occupy. Same way the USSR occupied Eastern Europe.

The treatment of the Arabs by the Israelis is the problem. Israel isnt working towards a two state solution and with time this crisis will escalate.

osaigbovo16:
You will have to agree both people have claims to the land. The UN partitions of Palestine favoured the Arabs, they went to war and lost. In war the winning side always occupy. Same way the USSR occupied Eastern Europe.

The treatment of the Arabs by the Israelis is the problem. Israel isnt working towards a two state solution and with time this crisis will escalate.

It is the Arabs who have been wronged, so you don't expect them to be ecstatic over an agreement that robs them of their territory without any initial warning of war that would have been planned for.

The Arabs made a mistake to tolerate the migration of European Jews into their territory. This can be blamed on the fact that the British accepted it, while the Arabs of Palestine were not a sovereign state to have stood against it.

Indeed the Arab nations supporting the Palestinians, lost wars against the Israelis, that allowed them to consolidate their footprint in Palestine.

It is obvious that Israel is intent that it will somehow take over all of Palestine. How it intends to do that and ensure a Jewish nation is what is left to be seen.

osaigbovo16:
The Jewish State was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine, a slightly larger area to accommodate the increasing numbers of Jews who would immigrate there. [51] [unreliable source? ][53] The Jewish State included three fertile lowland plains – the
Sharon on the coast, the Jezreel Valley and the upper Jordan Valley . The bulk of the proposed Jewish State's territory, however, consisted of the Negev Desert . [49] The desert was not suitable for agriculture, nor for urban development at that time.



Most of those lands weren't fertile! The Israelis made them arable. I don't support actions of the Israelis but I don't like biased arguments.
The only reason Israel is as powerful as it is, is because they understand power play and have used it to their advantages. Israelis sponsored both world wars. That why many Arabs believe the holocaust is a hoax.

Fertile or not, would you have anyone come and split your home? From what you've tried to justify up there is like saying North Africa should give up the Sahara desert because it's a desert, who told you nothing can be done on a desert? Even the desert you speak about, the Israelis use it today, so how is it useless?

We have people who believe the holocaust is a hoax not just some Arabs. If Arabs as whole believed it to be a sham, they wouldn't have allowed the Jews initially and besides, many Muslims know for sure the holocaust happened. And by the way, when did you conduct a poll in the Arab to know what they think about the holocaust?

Demmzy15:
Fertile or not, would you have anyone come and split your home? From what you've tried to justify up there is like saying North Africa should give up the Sahara desert because it's a desert, who told you nothing can be done on a desert? Even the desert you speak about, the Israelis use it today, so how is it useless?

We have people who believe the holocaust is a hoax not just some Arabs. If Arabs as whole believed it to be a sham, they wouldn't have allowed the Jews initially and besides, many Muslims know for sure the holocaust happened. And by the way, when did you conduct a poll in the Arab to know what they think about the holocaust?

I used "many" not all. Be as it may, the shit has happened. The way forward is peace. I don't see the Arabs winning another war with the Jews. They formed a strategic alliance with the Saudis. We have to understand that this problem in the middle east is all about dominance, why would the Saudis support Israel over Iran? All this shit is politically motivated.

escodotman:
You want a map before 1947 showing Israel? Then show us the map showing Palestine about 2000 BCE!

Did I ever claim there was a Palestine territory that existed before the Romans sacked the Jews in the 1st century?

Palestine began to exist with the sacking of the Jews by the Romans in the 1st century till now, but you would have us believe that a nation called Israel continued to exist in the Middle-East from the time of Moses till the current Palestine conflict, yet you cannot show us a map form a year before 1948 with Israel on it.

Even when I used the analogy of Babylonia to explain to you like a child, that many kingdoms and empires that previously existed, no longer exist in the modern world, you still stick to your imaginary Israel that existed after its sacking by the Romans almost 2000yrs ago?

I asked you who were the leaders of this imaginary Israel nation that existed as Europe was also developing into kingdoms and democracies, but you cannot answer.

If this imaginary Israel existed, why were the Jewish Zionists buying land from the Arab natives of Palestine that the Jewish refugees from Europe later created Israel from in 1948?

You see stupidity and you choose to embrace it comfortably.

osaigbovo16:
I used "many" not all. Be as it may, the shit has happened. The way forward is peace. I don't see the Arabs winning another war with the Jews. They formed a strategic alliance with the Saudis. We have to understand that this problem in the middle east is all about dominance, why would the Saudis support Israel over Iran? All this shit is politically motivated.

Yeah, I agree its politically motivated. The only solution to this problem and I would be frank with you, is for those European Jews to return back to their home countries. Heck, leaders of today's Israel had origins from Europe. Netanyahu is from Poland, Ben Gurion is from soviet union and changed his to sound Jewish, golda meir is from Ukraine and doesn't even believe God exists, yet uses the bible for usurpation of Palestinians.

One thing is, the Arabs can lose 100 wars and still get back on their feet but Israel can't afford to lose one because that would be the end. So they can enjoy themselves and develop all the weapons, God's time is the best!

Demmzy15:
Yeah, I agree its politically motivated. The only solution to this problem and I would be frank with you, is for those European Jews to return back to their home countries. Heck, leaders of today's Israel had origins from Europe. Netanyahu is from Poland, Ben Gurion is from soviet union and changed his to sound Jewish, golda meir is from Ukraine and doesn't even believe God exists, yet uses the bible for usurpation of Palestinians.

One thing is, the Arabs can lose 100 wars and still get back on their feet but Israel can't afford to lose one because that would be the end. So they can enjoy themselves and develop all the weapons, God's time is the best!

Your solution isn't feasible, cos this present Jews are from Europe does that mean they don't have ties to those lands. There was nothing like Palestine, before world War II Palestine was under Jordan. The Palestinians committed political suicide by siding with Hitler. Until there is a balance to checkmate Israel aggression. No hope for Palestine

osaigbovo16:
Your solution isn't feasible, cos this present Jews are from Europe does that mean they don't have ties to those lands. There was nothing like Palestine, before world War II Palestine was under Jordan.

Again, you're wrong, Palestine has always existed. Here is a map of Palestine in 1864 drawn by Samuel Augustus Mitchell
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/1864_Mitchell_Map_of_Palestine%2C_Israel_or_the_Holy_Land_-_Geographicus_-_Palestine-mitchell-1864.jpg

Jordan and Palestine were part of the Levant which is known as "Sham" or greater Syria. Under many Muslim empire Palestine was known as Jund Filastin which was bordered by Jordan which was known as Jund Al Urdun. Under the British it was called British Mandate of Palestine while Jordan was called Trans-Jordan. So both areas are different and they've never been put together, it's just like Lagos and Ogun are in South West but that does not mean Lagos is Ogun or under Ogun.

The Palestinians committed political suicide by siding with Hitler. Until there is a balance to checkmate Israel aggression. No hope for Palestine

And the issue of siding with the Germans, you need to read about this critically to understand. I'll try my best to make you understand. The British when they were controlling Palestine started allowing the Jews from Europe in large numbers into the area, this angered many Arabs, so they began to revolt against the British who acted very cruelly. So when the 2nd World War broke out, many Jews were allowed into the British army, some of these men were later military leaders of Israel during the wars due to their experiences. During this period, Jewish militias like the Haganah, Urgun and Stun militias were formed they harassed and killed many Palestinians and even British men but instead the British still focused on the Arabs leaving the Jews.

So the British perceived the Mufti of Jerusalem then, Hajj Al Amin to be a threat, so he was exiled. He then sought help from the Germans to fight the British and the Jewish militias. Mind you, no one actually knew that the Germans were exterminating ethnic minorities until after the allies started taking areas back from the Germans, even some Germans didn't even know Jews and others were even killed talk more of an Arab trying to find help for his people.

Unless under colonial rule, it is apparent display of idiocy to have a city or even assumed capital city without a country. Nobody is a Palestinian.

Demmzy15:
Again, you're wrong, Palestine has always existed. Here is a map of Palestine in 1864 drawn by Samuel Augustus Mitchell
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/1864_Mitchell_Map_of_Palestine%2C_Israel_or_the_Holy_Land_-_Geographicus_-_Palestine-mitchell-1864.jpg

Jordan and Palestine were part of the Levant which is known as "Sham" or greater Syria. Under many Muslim empire Palestine was known as Jund Filastin which was bordered by Jordan which was known as Jund Al Urdun. Under the British it was called British Mandate of Palestine while Jordan was called Trans-Jordan. So both areas are different and they've never been put together, it's just like Lagos and Ogun are in South West but that does not mean Lagos is Ogun or under Ogun.



And the issue of siding with the Germans, you need to read about this critically to understand. I'll try my best to make you understand. The British when they were controlling Palestine started allowing the Jews from Europe in large numbers into the area, this angered many Arabs, so they began to revolt against the British who acted very cruelly. So when the 2nd World War broke out, many Jews were allowed into the British army, some of these men were later military leaders of Israel during the wars due to their experiences. During this period, Jewish militias like the Haganah, Urgun and Stun militias were formed they harassed and killed many Palestinians and even British men but instead the British still focused on the Arabs leaving the Jews.

So the British perceived the Mufti of Jerusalem then, Hajj Al Amin to be a threat, so he was exiled. He then sought help from the Germans to fight the British and the Jewish militias. Mind you, no one actually knew that the Germans were exterminating ethnic minorities until after the allies started taking areas back from the Germans, even some Germans didn't even know Jews and others were even killed talk more of an Arab trying to find help for his people.

In 1917 through 1922 before Lord Belfour mandate, there was nothing such as Palestine and certainly Jordan was not yet created.

Demmzy15:
Yeah, I agree its politically motivated. The only solution to this problem and I would be frank with you, is for those European Jews to return back to their home countries. Heck, leaders of today's Israel had origins from Europe. Netanyahu is from Poland, Ben Gurion is from soviet union and changed his to sound Jewish, golda meir is from Ukraine and doesn't even believe God exists, yet uses the bible for usurpation of Palestinians.

One thing is, the Arabs can lose 100 wars and still get back on their feet but Israel can't afford to lose one because that would be the end. So they can enjoy themselves and develop all the weapons, God's time is the best!

The silly blunder most people commit rests on the reliance of skewed political narratives sponsored by people with hidden agenda. There were Jews in a place later called Palestine who even subjugated by the Othman Empire. Almost all the jackasses that parade themselves as Palestinian leaders were refugees who were born outside the British mandate for Palestine. Even the King of Jordan family is not native to British mandate for Palestine. There are traditional names for Jews native to a place that later became British mandate for Palestine, Arab and North Africa especially places such as Morocco and Algeria. Even Arafat was not born in the British mandate for Palestine. He was an Egyptian whose uncle was former Motif of Jerusalem.

[quote author=Demmzy15 post=67620571]The Jews weren't the first to get there, people who were there were massacred. And you deceptively tried to pin the exile of Jews on Muslims which is a huge deception. The Romans were the ones that chased many Jews out not Muslims, haven't you wondered why the Romans were in charge during the time of Christ?

After the departure of christ, the Jews revolted and they were defeated with thousands killed from both sides, the Romans exiled most of the men involved and their families. They then destroyed the temple, all this happened under Emperor Titus in 70 AD. Prophet Muhammad was born 500 years later, this same Romans who persecuted the Jews then embraced Christianity and were known as Byzantines. They persecuted Jews and other Christians like Nestorians, Arians and Copts.

It was Muslims in the 7th century as you rightly said that restored order when they took most parts of Palestine and Syria from the Byzantines. Jerusalem remained with Muslims for 400 years until the Byzantines invited the crusaders, I'm surprised you're praising the crusaders, you should read about what they did even in Jerusalem, you would be ashamed. The crusaders controlled Jerusalem for 86years and Muslims recovered it and controlled it till the first world war when the British took it over. Muslims gained control again and it was lost when Israel defeated Jordan in 1967.

But I'll tell you mehn, we would recover the lost lands again.

Bros abeg why una de waste energy on this dumb people plssss liv them to remain in their ignorance

DerideGull:
In 1917 through 1922 before Lord Belfour mandate, there was nothing such as Palestine and certainly Jordan was not yet created.

During world war 1 britain was having it rough and so zoinist jews through lionel rothschild made a deal with the then british prime minister lloyd george to bring america into the war and in turn britain will promise palestine which was under the british mandate to the zionist jews so in april of 1917 american president in wildrow wilson declared war on germany in return the british government wrote the balfour declaration and addressed it lord lionel rothschild so after the was when germany was being pertisioned at the treaty of vassailles in france the jews brought out a document and said how about palestine for us ? It was at this point the germans realised that they had been sold by the jews and they understood the game and why america came into the war. Note that before the war there has never been a place the jews prospered and lived in peace as in germany. So 80 percent of the current state of israel is owned by the Rothschild in fact in sign on the flag of israel the so called star of david can be found on the family seal of the rothschild. So u can understand the germans feelings towards the jews later on in ww2 . before all these jews and arabs have co existed peacefully for 100s of years the problem start when jews from europe flooded palestine most especially the askenazi jews . the palestinians are just unlucky as the world is controlled by the banking families of the jews most especially the rothschild. They control america they own europe so it will be dificult for palestinians to ever get justice. The 13 bloodlines run everything including all the religions even saudis are all puppets so this is far from religious its a war between right and wrong and unfortunately the americans followed the money instead

Throwback:
Did I ever claim there was a Palestine territory that existed before the Romans sacked the Jews in the 1st century?

Palestine began to exist with the sacking of the Jews by the Romans in the 1st century till now, but you would have us believe that a nation called Israel continued to exist in the Middle-East from the time of Moses till the current Palestine conflict, yet you cannot show us a map form a year before 1948 with Israel on it.

Even when I used the analogy of Babylonia to explain to you like a child, that many kingdoms and empires that previously existed, no longer exist in the modern world, you still stick to your imaginary Israel that existed after its sacking by the Romans almost 2000yrs ago?

I asked you who were the leaders of this imaginary Israel nation that existed as Europe was also developing into kingdoms and democracies, but you cannot answer.

If this imaginary Israel existed, why were the Jewish Zionists buying land from the Arab natives of Palestine that the Jewish refugees from Europe later created Israel from in 1948?

You see stupidity and you choose to embrace it comfortably.

All you've been doing is a display of desperation while you are trying hard to make people fall in line with your foolishness