So this thread has finally been turned to a board room of irrelevant banter?

Hairyrapunzel:

You said God's original plan was to renovate the earth where wild animals will start eating grass. So I asked you to show me the verse in the Bible where God made this statement. You still have not shown it. If there isn't a passage say so.

Pick any Bible translation of your choice and start verifying. The garden of Eden was the example of how each nuclear family should have a home with their own garden and harmless animals. Genesis 2:15-17 After Adam and Eve left Eden they lost control over most of the bigger animals and many became dangerous. Genesis 1:26,3:23,24 People started building houses close to one another in fear of wild animals that's why we're now living in cities where gardens are scanty,yet it's not only animals that pose a threat to our lives we also have evildoers around us so God's plan now is to clean the earth of the evildoers.Psalms 37:9-11Even we'll start building houses with big gardens full of fruitful trees for each single couple. Isaiah 65:21-25 But before all these people need to know God's intention in all lands that's why God chose Israel and gave them all these information, they have the golden opportunity to spread this GOOD NEWS and become those that God will use as rulers throughout the Earth.Genesis 12:3 Israelites lost that chance due to killing God's Prophets and finally God's only begotten Son. Matthew 23:37 We need a government that all the officials will be righteous that's why Jesus commissioned a preaching and teaching program to gather faithful,loyal and honesthearted people out of which God will select the ruling class.Matthew 10:3-22 Let's stop there for now, you can ask further questions from my brothers and sisters because those assigned to teach US all have taught them all these things. My response isn't just for you alone but for those who are following this thread all along so read your Bible and learn what God is planning for you and i!

Riofidelio:
Pick any Bible translation of your choice and start verifying. The garden of Eden was the example of how each nuclear family should have a home with their own garden and harmless animals. Genesis 2:15-17 After Adam and Eve left Eden they lost control over most of the bigger animals and many became dangerous. Genesis 1:26,3:23,24 People started building houses close to one another in fear of wild animals that's why we're now living in cities where gardens are scanty,yet it's not only animals that pose a threat to our lives we also have evildoers around us so God's plan now is to clean the earth of the evildoers.Psalms 37:9-11Even we'll start building houses with big gardens full of fruitful trees for each single couple. Isaiah 65:21-25 But before all these people need to know God's intention in all lands that's why God chose Israel and gave them all these information, they have the golden opportunity to spread this GOOD NEWS and become those that God will use as rulers throughout the Earth.Genesis 12:3 Israelites lost that chance due to killing God's Prophets and finally God's only begotten Son. Matthew 23:37 We need a government that all the officials will be righteous that's why Jesus commissioned a preaching and teaching program to gather faithful,loyal and honesthearted people out of which God will select the ruling class.Matthew 10:3-22 Let's stop there for now, you can ask further questions from my brothers and sisters because those assigned to teach US all have taught them all these things. My response isn't just for you alone but for those who are following this thread all along so read your Bible and learn what God is planning for you and i!

You chose to build your beliefs on mere speculations?
I am still waiting for the bible passage where God said his original plan was to renovate the earth.

Hairyrapunzel:

You chose to build your beliefs on mere speculations?
I am still waiting for the bible passage where God said his original plan was to renovate the earth.

Sorry i'm not the one responsible for your lack of understanding! Go and present my response to someone else who will explain to you in the way you can understand, let them know your question and read the answer i've given i'm sure they'll know what questions should follow! Better still if you're not interested in all of these why not just walk away and go choose what you want to believe?

salvation101:
whether greek mythology or not, the Bible talks about Saints going to heaven. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for his followers and he will come back to take them and where he is they will also be forever. He said in his father's house are many mansions.

Your friend "Removetheturban" is well educated so when talking about English he knows how to construct good sentences but he's just one of our brothers and all of US do humble ourselves whenever we sense greater wisdom,that's what led each one of US into Jehovah's witnesses organization in the first place.God's attributes are many but HE has four angels standing right before HIS throne with four of those attributes LOVE POWER WISDOM JUSTICE. Revelations 4:7 Any religious group that's not able to master these four qualities without misplacing any can't win the heart of a Jehovah's witness! So there are many out there who are presently worshipping in the wrong place but because Jehovah's attributes are in their veins they'll fall in to worship Jehovah. Many are also worshipping with US now by chance but in their veins Jehovah's attributes is absent, they'll surely leave the organization that's why Jesus said it's His father that draws men to Him and He will teach them! John 6:44,66-68

True Christians entrenched in disapproving Antichrist! I wonder if a true Christian in the first century will have time for frivolous issues e.g "Who are Pharisees?" because true Christians have so many things to tell others about Christ and God's Kingdom so they can't be wasting their precious time talking about Pharisees! But on the other hand the Pharisees were spending their precious time, energy and resources all in a bid to disapprove Christianity! Act 14:19,17:5-9,18:12,2 Corinthians 11:24. Today many claiming Christians from different religious groups are agitating spending their time, energy and resources only to disapprove one single group! "Who are Jehovah's witnesses?" and many who couldn't stand in public to discuss scriptural matters are coming up on social media to display their grievances against Jehovah's witnesses.Praise Jehovah and may God bless the one who threw this question into the air!

Riofidelio:
Well some Bible translations calls them "Saints" and others calls them "Holy ones", they're the "Born Agains". Whenever you read about heavenly hope it's referring to them and they're never coming to leave here again. This is the result of credulity and stubbornness, but if you say it's not so please explain each Bible text that i've explained and give them a better explanation for example (1) What did Jesus meant in Matthew 5:3,5 11:11?(2) Matthew 20:20-23(3)What is Paul saying in 1Corinthians 11:27:30.Please let's have a balance view of what you've read and meditate upon from the Bible, of course any sincere and honesthearted listener will know that you really have a comprehensive overview of the Bible's message! Thanks

chai... Where do i even start with you on this.

1. Matt5:3,5 why did u omit 8 dat said blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God? Dont also omit 10-12
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. note
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

If suffering persecution makes you qualified for reward in heaven, d question is are people still being persecuted for righteousness sake? Do they no more have rewards in heaven?

Secondly, Jesus said among those born of woman non was greater than John. But the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater.. That is talking about those who have been translated into heaven and not men existing on earth.

As u can see, the matt 20 u shared already invalidates ur doctrine. We can see that the mother of the young men understood that they were going to be translated into heaven but she made an impossible request of Jesus having them sit by his two sides on the throne wch was a selfish request.

Riofidelio:
If Jesus actually resurrected in the flesh how come those who knew Him well can't recognize Him again? Luke 24:15-32,John 20:11-16 Well for the sake of those who may be following this thread, Jesus' body has been taken away by Angels just like Moses body but since Jesus has been Born of the Spirit at His baptism, His resurrection will be in the Spirit. That's why His former close confidants couldn't recognize Him again but to make them understand that He has been raised from the dead, Jesus have to keep materialising in the form they can recognise and know for certain that Jesus is now alive! John 20:26-29 Jesus presented a materialised body to help Thomas (a humble and loyal disciple with little faith) New Heavens and Earth! Please it's not to be taken literally otherwise you have to explain how the SEA could be NO MORE! Revelations 21:1 compare with Revelations 12:16 Please explain what's the meaning of the (1)woman (2) water from the Dragon's mouth(3)the Earth that swallowed the water. Then you can convince me you fully know the interpretation of what you read!

Whose account should we believe now, ur or the scripture? Thise is Luke 24:38
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

How come u say Angels took his body away? Where did u get that from?

Riofidelio:
Your friend "Removetheturban" is well educated so when talking about English he knows how to construct good sentences but he's just one of our brothers and all of US do humble ourselves whenever we sense greater wisdom,that's what led each one of US into Jehovah's witnesses organization in the first place.God's attributes are many but HE has four angels standing right before HIS throne with four of those attributes LOVE POWER WISDOM JUSTICE. Revelations 4:7 Any religious group that's not able to master these four qualities without misplacing any can't win the heart of a Jehovah's witness! So there are many out there who are presently worshipping in the wrong place but because Jehovah's attributes are in their veins they'll fall in to worship Jehovah. Many are also worshipping with US now by chance but in their veins Jehovah's attributes is absent, they'll surely leave the organization that's why Jesus said it's His father that draws men to Him and He will teach them! John 6:44,66-68

How does John 12:32 read in ur Bible

Riofidelio:
True Christians entrenched in disapproving Antichrist! I wonder if a true Christian in the first century will have time for frivolous issues e.g "Who are Pharisees?" because true Christians have so many things to tell others about Christ and God's Kingdom so they can't be wasting their precious time talking about Pharisees! But on the other hand the Pharisees were spending their precious time, energy and resources all in a bid to disapprove Christianity! Act 14:19,17:5-9,18:12,2 Corinthians 11:24. Today many claiming Christians from different religious groups are agitating spending their time, energy and resources only to disapprove one single group! "Who are Jehovah's witnesses?" and many who couldn't stand in public to discuss scriptural matters are coming up on social media to display their grievances against Jehovah's witnesses.Praise Jehovah and may God bless the one who threw this question into the air!

a JW actually created dis thread.

Riofidelio:
Just pray to God in any language of your choice,tell God you want to know more and fully understand HIS words i'm sure the next knock on your door will be those whose feet you're expecting! Romans 10:13-15 God bless you

Serious, I guy don't be ridiculous. That i should pray to see one?

All i need is where i can get Awake magazine.

salvation101:
chai... Where do i even start with you on this.

1. Matt5:3,5 why did u omit 8 dat said blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God? Dont also omit 10-12
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. note
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

If suffering persecution makes you qualified for reward in heaven, d question is are people still being persecuted for righteousness sake? Do they no more have rewards in heaven?

Secondly, Jesus said among those born of woman non was greater than John. But the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater.. That is talking about those who have been translated into heaven and not men existing on earth.

As u can see, the matt 20 u shared already invalidates ur doctrine. We can see that the mother of the young men understood that they were going to be translated into heaven but she made an impossible request of Jesus having them sit by his two sides on the throne wch was a selfish request.

I've told you that before you can fully understand the Bible you'll need our help! OK let's pick take it one by one. I only asked of Matthew 5:3/5 the first mentioned heaven and the second inherit the earth so please explain what Jesus meant by these two different destinations. You said "those who has been translated into heaven" yet Jesus said "no man has gone to heaven" John 3:13 The scriptures clearly made us to understand that those going to heaven MUST be born by water and spirit! Please when Jesus was talking there's just one born again on Earth that day and He has not died so as to proceed on the journey to heaven and it's none other than Jesus Himself.The next set of born agains were chosen on Pentecost so when and who are those that "have been translated to heaven" before God started redeeming humans with the baptism by spirit? James and John asked for sit beside Jesus in His glory, eeyaaa! That's a bit difficult for you to understand but i want you to know that nobody can sit next to a King in his palace if not one of the corulers in the kingdom,that's exactly what these two guys and their mother want Jesus to assure them! Matthew 20:20 John the Baptist is greater than all prior to him because he saw the Messiah,spoke with Him and have the privilege to Baptize the Messiah but those in the kingdom are greater than John. Matthew 11:11 It's because he didn't have the opportunity to become a Christian and live up to the day of Pentecost when the second set of Born Agains were chosen so John the Baptist is not going to heaven!

salvation101:


Whose account should we believe now, ur or the scripture? Thise is Luke 24:38
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

How come u say Angels took his body away? Where did u get that from?

If you're not humble you'll never understand God's word Solomon said you should dig as someone searching for hidden treasures(Proverbs 2:1-5) but when you meet someone who has taken his time to do the digging you must learn from him how to become wise or even wiser! Jesus died and was resurrected,His body wasn't found in the tomb,even Mary Magdalene who knew Him well asked (materialised) Jesus "where have you laid his body?" John 20:15,16 Please if Jesus resurrected in the same body how come Mary Magdalene couldn't recognize Him not until He called her as usual that she recognized the voice! Well Moses has given US much info before the arrival of Jesus,Moses said God will raise a prophet like himself and everyone must listen or believe in that prophet! Deuteronomy 18:15 So let's consider the similarities (1)both were willing to save God's people.(2) mediators of covenants.(3)spoke with God directly(4) 40 days and 40 nights without food(5)led God's people out of slavery(6)died and had no tomb because their bodies were not found. So it's exactly what happened to Moses that happened to Jesus the only difference is that Jesus has become a life giving Spirit now(1 Corinthians 15:43-45) yet something must be seen before those loyal and honest Jews who happens to be His followers could truly believe that He has been resurrected! Paul said Born Again are buried in flesh but they resurrected in spirit! Please take note of verse 44

Riofidelio:
Sorry i'm not the one responsible for your lack of understanding! Go and present my response to someone else who will explain to you in the way you can understand, let them know your question and read the answer i've given i'm sure they'll know what questions should follow! Better still if you're not interested in all of these why not just walk away and go choose what you want to believe?

I follow the bible and not mere man made interpretation of a verse. Where is the verse that said God's original plan is to renovate the earth?

Do you know you are arguing from silence?

salvation101:
How does John 12:32 read in ur Bible

(John 12:32)When Jesus get back to heaven as a Spirit being He will draw all the Born Agains to Himself because it was at His request that God granted men to become Spirits who will go and live in heaven though He's not the one to sellect.However because the Jews who are supposed to rule with Him failed to meet up with the number requested 144,000 Revelations 14:1(as most of them refused to become Christians)the invitation was blown open to other nationalities, that's why Jesus said "all sort of men" Please read Matthew 22:1-14 prayerfully with meditation. Whoever is not granted by God to become a Born Again Christian but stubbornly assume that he/she must belong simply because he/she is doing all that Jesus commanded will loose everything! Matthew 22:13/14 compare to 1Corinthians 11:27-30 You can know better than me if you're willing to learn!

Reality12:


Serious, I guy don't be ridiculous. That i should pray to see one?

All i need is where i can get Awake magazine.

At every corner in Lagos and other big towns!

Riofidelio:
I've told you that before you can fully understand the Bible you'll need our help! OK let's pick take it one by one. I only asked of Matthew 5:3/5 the first mentioned heaven and the second inherit the earth so please explain what Jesus meant by these two different destinations. You said "those who has been translated into heaven" yet Jesus said "no man has gone to heaven" John 3:13 The scriptures clearly made us to understand that those going to heaven MUST be born by water and spirit! Please when Jesus was talking there's just one born again on Earth that day and He has not died so as to proceed on the journey to heaven and it's none other than Jesus Himself.The next set of born agains were chosen on Pentecost so when and who are those that "have been translated to heaven" before God started redeeming humans with the baptism by spirit? James and John asked for sit beside Jesus in His glory, eeyaaa! That's a bit difficult for you to understand but i want you to know that nobody can sit next to a King in his palace if not one of the corulers in the kingdom,that's exactly what these two guys and their mother want Jesus to assure them! Matthew 20:20 John the Baptist is greater than all prior to him because he saw the Messiah,spoke with Him and have the privilege to Baptize the Messiah but those in the kingdom are greater than John. Matthew 11:11 It's because he didn't have the opportunity to become a Christian and live up to the day of Pentecost when the second set of Born Agains were chosen so John the Baptist is not going to heaven!

See how u are analyzing Bible like it was written in English language..
U also talk about inheriting heaven and tried to separate it from verse 10 downward where inheriting heaven was also mentioned. Is the place talking about more than one heaven? No body has been translated into heaven is different from no body has ascended (by human will).. The Bible in d book of Hebrews told us that Enoch didn't see death but was translated, d question now is to where?

salvation101:
a JW actually created dis thread.

It's God's Holy Spirit that put this question in his heart because now i can say wholeheartedly that what Jehovah promised HIS faithful worshippers is true.Isaiah 54:17 Though i know the answers to most questions asked but how i'm just connecting the quotations with convincing explanations i can't understand myself.Matthew 10:19,20 Just as my people do say "whoever is making noises and calling it a song of course he himself can hear it"

Riofidelio:
If you're not humble you'll never understand God's word Solomon said you should dig as someone searching for hidden treasures(Proverbs 2:1-5) but when you meet someone who has taken his time to do the digging you must learn from him how to become wise or even wiser! Jesus died and was resurrected,His body wasn't found in the tomb,even Mary Magdalene who knew Him well asked (materialised) Jesus "where have you laid his body?" John 20:15,16 Please if Jesus resurrected in the same body how come Mary Magdalene couldn't recognize Him not until He called her as usual that she recognized the voice! Well Moses has given US much info before the arrival of Jesus,Moses said God will raise a prophet like himself and everyone must listen or believe in that prophet! Deuteronomy 18:15 So let's consider the similarities (1)both were willing to save God's people.(2) mediators of covenants.(3)spoke with God directly(4) 40 days and 40 nights without food(5)led God's people out of slavery(6)died and had no tomb because their bodies were not found. So it's exactly what happened to Moses that happened to Jesus the only difference is that Jesus has become a life giving Spirit now(1 Corinthians 15:43-45) yet something must be seen before those loyal and honest Jews who happens to be His followers could truly believe that He has been resurrected! Paul said Born Again are buried in flesh but they resurrected in spirit! Please take note of verse 44

why unnecessary convolution when the scripture is already very clear in Luke 24

14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

salvation101:
See how u are analyzing Bible like it was written in English language..
U also talk about inheriting heaven and tried to separate it from verse 10 downward where inheriting heaven was also mentioned. Is the place talking about more than one heaven? No body has been translated into heaven is different from no body has ascended (by human will).. The Bible in d book of Hebrews told us that Enoch didn't see death but was translated, d question now is to where?

God bless you for that thought provoking question! "Enoch was taken" so said some translations. Of course God buried Enoch HIMSELF so that those wicked generation won't harm him! Jesus has answered it all because He clearly made US to understand that it's ONLY those Born by water and spirit that's going to heaven and without becoming Spirit beings you can't go to heaven! Moses recorded the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy(including the story of Enoch) and he has told US to "listen to Jesus" not for any additional laws but to fully understand all sacred secrets! Please whatever Jesus (the word) said should be considered to be the eye opener to all other information not fully understood before His arrival, that's why the Bible made US to understand that Jesus is the word of God and God said "listen to Him" So that if you've read something before in the scriptures the "word of God" has arrived to give you insight into the hidden secrets! Take for example who knew that there were dispute between God's angels and demons because of Moses' body? Was it not after God's Holy Spirit has empowered Jude (Jesus' half brother) who lived centuries later? Please whatever Jesus said is the final!

Riofidelio:
God bless you for that thought provoking question! "Enoch was taken" so said some translations. Of course God buried Enoch HIMSELF so that those wicked generation won't harm him! Jesus has answered it all because He clearly made US to understand that it's ONLY those Born by water and spirit that's going to heaven and without becoming Spirit beings you can't go to heaven! Moses recorded the Bible book of Genesis to Deuteronomy(including the story of Enoch) and he has told US to "listen to Jesus" not for any additional laws but to fully understand all sacred secrets! Please whatever Jesus (the word) said should be considered to be the eye opener to all other information not fully understood before His arrival, that's why the Bible made US to understand that Jesus is the word of God and God said "listen to Him" So that if you've read something before in the scriptures the "word of God" has arrived to give you insight into the hidden secrets! Take for example who knew that there were dispute between God's angels and demons because of Moses' body? Was it not after God's Holy Spirit has empowered Jude (Jesus' half brother) who lived centuries later? Please whatever Jesus said is the final!

you mean God buried him alive?
( Heb11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Do you mean he pleased God and God then buried him alive cos the Bible is clear here that he didn't see death.

salvation101:
why unnecessary convolution when the scripture is already very clear in Luke 24

14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.

15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

Hmmmmmmmmm Please what was "holden their eyes" not to recognize their teacher so that they should not know Him? And for what purpose? After all His enemies couldn't see Him again after His death and resurrection except ONLY His faithful followers.John 14:19 So why hiding Him and from whom?

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm Please what was "holden their eyes" not to recognize their teacher so that they should not know Him? And for what purpose? After all His enemies couldn't see Him again after His death and resurrection except ONLY His faithful followers.John 14:19 So why hiding Him and from whom?

this is just like you asking how Jesus walked upon water, how he knew wat Zacheus said, how he knew the woman that touched him for a miracle etc.. Its a supernatural event.

salvation101:
you mean God buried him alive?
( Heb11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Do you mean he pleased God and God then buried him alive cos the Bible is clear here that he didn't see death.

Eeyaaaa Not again! God buried him just like Moses who died without a single person to witness his death! It was the same thing that happened to Enoch and Moses.He did not see death simply means "he didn't live up to the age limit of his time" please check people's age before they become old during Enoch's time and compare to his age at the time God took him! God didn't want some to face what Adam and his descendants must face oldage, sickness and death,Eunoch happens to have that favour so only God knows how to hide people without allowing them to experience death. That's why the Bible book of Revelations said Death,Sea and Grave all released all those dead in them.Revelations 20:13,14 Please Eunoch,Moses and Elijah are both in their graves now awaiting the resurrection but only God knows where and how they got there!

salvation101:
this is just like you asking how Jesus walked upon water, how he knew wat Zacheus said, how he knew the woman that touched him for a miracle etc.. Its a supernatural event.

Jesus lived in the flesh,suffered in the flesh and died in the flesh but was raised a Spirit so the flesh is gone that's why He was materialising for His friends to get the sense that He's alive again and ready to return home where He formerly lived as a Spirit being. Please it's simple but if you don't want the explanation to come from a Jehovah's witness i can understand that so try to know how to explain these things before a none believer that's all!

Riofidelio:
Jesus lived in the flesh,suffered in the flesh and died in the flesh but was raised a Spirit so the flesh is gone that's why He was materialising for His friends to get the sense that He's alive again and ready to return home where He formerly lived as a Spirit being. Please it's simple but if you don't want the explanation to come from a Jehovah's witness i can understand that so try to know how to explain these things before a none believer that's all!

prove biblically that Jesus resurrected in the spirit and not in the flesh cos according to Luke account, Jesus himself declared that he was flesh and not spirit

Riofidelio:
Eeyaaaa Not again! God buried him just like Moses who died without a single person to witness his death! It was the same thing that happened to Enoch and Moses.He did not see death simply means "he didn't live up to the age limit of his time" please check people age before they become old during Enoch's time and compare to his age at the time God took him!

you are contradicting scripture. The Bible said he didn't see death and you are trying to explain that away of didn't d Bible say he didn't see death? Moses saw death nd its recorded in scripture but Enoch never did. Secondly, Elijah too was taken by an heavenly chariot, was he also buried

salvation101:
prove biblically that Jesus resurrected in the spirit and not in the flesh cos according to Luke account, Jesus himself declared that he was flesh and not spirit

I've answered you but it's like you don't want the sacred secrets to be solved by one of Jehovah's witnesses.They can't easily recognize Him again,Paul said the last Adam (Jesus) became a life giving Spirit. 1Corinthians 15:45 Jesus Himself warned a disciple who taught He's still the same to stop clinging onto Him because He has not ascended to the Father where the Born Agains could cling onto Him as they usually do before His death. John 20:17 Jesus handed over the care of His mother to John before His death because He's no more returning home with them anymore after His resurrection. I'm sure if it's one of your Pastors that's given you all these explanations you'll just be shouting Hallelujah but since it's coming from a member of the vilified Jehovah's witnesses you won't just take it. Well i can understand but if you feel like knowing more please humbly welcome a free home Bible study with one of Jehovah's witnesses it won't cost you a dime!

salvation101:
you are contradicting scripture. The Bible said he didn't see death and you are trying to explain that away of didn't d Bible say he didn't see death? Moses saw death nd its recorded in scripture but Enoch never did. Secondly, Elijah too was taken by an heavenly chariot, was he also buried

Jesus said Lazarus has gone to sleep! but since His followers are not yet having the wisdom Jesus plainly told them in the language of a layman "Lazarus has died" of course if they grasp what Jesus (the word of God) meant easily and someone in the 21st century now tells you that Jesus meant Lazarus died surely you'll keep arguing saying He said Lazarus has slept! Please i'm sorry if i've given you a tough time but you need to listen and learn how to understand certain scriptures otherwise you'll find it difficult to preach about God's Kingdom because all these sacred secrets needed to be understood before you can preach and teach with efficacy! God bless you.

Riofidelio:
I've answered you but it's like you don't want the sacred secrets to be solved by one of Jehovah's witnesses.They can't easily recognize Him again,Paul said the last Adam (Jesus) became a life giving Spirit. 1Corinthians 15:45 Jesus Himself warned a disciple who taught He's still the same to stop clinging onto Him because He has not ascended to the Father where the Born Agains could cling onto Him as they usually do before His death. John 20:17 Jesus handed over the care of His mother to John before His death because He's no more returning home with them anymore after His resurrection. I'm sure if it's one of your Pastors that's given you all these explanations you'll just be shouting Hallelujah but since it's coming from a member of the vilified Jehovah's witnesses you won't just take it. Well i can understand but if you feel like knowing more please humbly welcome a free home Bible study with one of Jehovah's witnesses it won't cost you a dime!

who should we believe, Jesus or you? Jesus said he was not a spirit and you are saying he was or alu know better? Infact when they saw Jesus they thought it was a spirit and were afraid , the same way they acted the day he walked on water but he told them not to be afraid for he was the one..

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

R we supposed to accept whatever you are saying just because u r a jw member? Bible says even if its an angel that brings another gospel, we should reject it

Riofidelio:
Jesus said Lazarus has gone to sleep! but since His followers are not yet having the wisdom Jesus plainly told them in the language of a layman "Lazarus has died" of course if they grasp what Jesus (the word of God) meant easily and someone in the 21st century now tells you that Jesus meant Lazarus died surely you'll keep arguing saying He said Lazarus has slept! Please i'm sorry if i've given you a tough time but you need to listen and learn how to understand certain scriptures otherwise you'll find it difficult to preach about God's Kingdom because all these sacred secrets needed to be understood before you can preach and teach with efficacy! God bless you.

the Bible used sleep several times to describe death of a Saint expecially i the new testament. Here i the case of Enoch it was categorically mentioned that he didn't die so why trying to say what the Bible doesn't say? And u accept us to just accept it cos u r a jw?
The Greek word interpreted as translated means to transfer. Enoch didn't see death, he was transferred from one kingdom to another.. Or are you trying to say Elijah was also taken to the grave by the chariots of fire. Its easy to say one is not humble to understand scriptures but u should look inwardly too. Am sure u are holding on to dis dogma because dat is wat ur organization teaches but it isn't scriptural, u r already saying what the Bible never said. God buried Enoch? Haba. He buried him alive? Would the writer of Hebrew say Enoch dat existed even before Noah didn't see death wen he knows he was buried alive by God?

salvation101:
the Bible used sleep several times to describe death of a Saint expecially i the new testament. Here i the case of Enoch it was categorically mentioned that he didn't die so why trying to say what the Bible doesn't say? And u accept us to just accept it cos u r a jw?
The Greek word interpreted as translated means to transfer. Enoch didn't see death, he was transferred from one kingdom to another.. Or are you trying to say Elijah was also taken to the grave by the chariots of fire. Its easy to say one is not humble to understand scriptures but u should look inwardly too. Am sure u are holding on to dis dogma because dat is wat ur organization teaches but it isn't scriptural, u r already saying what the Bible never said. God buried Enoch? Haba. He buried him alive? Would the writer of Hebrew say Enoch dat existed even before Noah didn't see death wen he knows he was buried alive by God?

Jesus was talking to humans with no head knowledge about the Spirit Beings or Spirit realms so He must come to their level for them to grasp what was happening. John 3:12-15 After their baptized by Holy Spirit everything Jesus did and told them they fully understood with the help of the Holy Spirit. John 14:25,26 If He didn't come with a materialised body how can anyone convince Thomas that Jesus has been resurrected? Do you think after Jesus' resurrection He will still have holes on His palms? Come on my friend at resurrection you come up with an incorruptible(perfect) body!1corinthians 15:42-45 So Jesus actually did all that to help this humble,loyal and honesthearted Jews build a solid faith in the resurrection! Enoch was taken by God so that he won't suffer in the hands of his wicked contemporaries,he did not see death simply means God didn't allow him to live up to the oldage limit of his time. Genesis 5:21-27 Have you ever wondered why Jesus never resurrected any old man or woman? Well it's because they've expended their time limits! Please Enoch wasn't allowed to reach that time limit before God buried him in a safe place till God's Kingdom start operating and all of them will be brought back to life on a Paradise Earth. It's only the Born Agains that are going to RULE US from heaven, there they won't marry nor have children(Luke 20:35,36) but we who will live on Earth will continue with the earthly things! Isaiah 65:23 Please i'm not preaching a new gospel to you apart from what you can discern yourself from the Bible but if you must know even Jews who's family heritage and history is the Bible still need someone who has gotten the accurate knowledge to enlighten them. Luke 24:27,32 God bless you!