olutop:

I have managed Erb's palsy and Foot drop dt is majorly caused by ur lack of profesionalism, I see dem on 1st contact and discharge dem without nobodyz approval, hail and healthy....

Yonce:



LMAO. . . . Is this something they tell you guys alot in school?

My mother's a nurse and everyday she keeps saying"I'm waiting for them to inject you with their madness so you'll eventually turn against me. I know it will happen soon"

chioma134:
A thousand likes

frankpro27:


Lol. As a Pharm. D holder. I do everything a doctor does in the hospital aside surgery. Wat can u say about dat? I make nothing less than a million every month. Nd doctors don't knw anything about drugs, aside name Nd usage. Most of dem don't even knw the dosing, not to talk of side effect, mechanism of action Nd interactions. I personally ve a photocopying machine for all d blunders I receive as prescriptions from doctors. This war is just starting

worlexy:
Your ignorance at work again, Erb's palsy is a nerve injury (overstretching) as a result of birth trauma.
Who conducts deliveries in the hospitals? Johesu(Midwives)

What's the treatment for Erb's palsy, physical corrections of the abnormal posture of the hand from waiter's tip position to normal position, something an illiterate can do, it's just like removing the thumb from the mouth of a child that sucks, with time the child will stop. So why are you boasting that you treat Erb's palsy as if you perform surgical repair on the injured nerve !

Yonce:






As a pharm D holder you DO NOT KNOW OR DO EVERYTHING a doctor knows or does. And you probably never will.

And a doctor knows everything about drugs like a pharmacist. The only thing doctors are not bothered with during Medical School is "How these drugs are manufactured in factories."

As early as year 4 medical students are required to pass a mandatory course on Pharmacology. They learn about EVERYTHING pertaining drugs. Including proper dosage, drug interactions, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, side effects, adverse effects.
Mind you they learn all these alongside other demanding fields like Microbiology, Histopathology etc.
This is as early as year 4. . . They basically learn over half of what it took you 6 years to study in less than 1 year.

I'm not trying to take anything away from your profession but don't undermine others to uplift yourself.

olutop:

Who make decisions on the kind of delivery to use, I am appy you did not mention Foot drop and fail back surgery syndrome dt is caused majorly by ur incompetence.....Y dnt you manage Erbz palsy den let see, or advise ur patiebts with erb to go to d illiterate, you guys dnt know and you wnt accept dt u dnt know

sogodihno:


you are saying nonsense, learning what someone learn in 6 years in less than a year? And u think they will have same depth of knowledge about it?

Is this one a doctor too? our health sector won't be better soon. SMH.

worlexy:
I will not be the one teaching you basic things that you ought to know if you actually did the basic medical science courses as you claimed. If you want to know how foot drops or other things happen, go and read on them but let me guide you a bit, quacks and people like you who don't know their boundary conduct deliveries at home and in your shops, and most of these delivery end up as obstructed labour in which the head of the baby compresses the sciatic nerve against the bony pelvis and causes foot drop post partum. if you work in the tertiary health centre you will know that such places are referral places that manage complicated cases referred from people who have mismanaged these people. That's probably why you must have been seeing foot drops and Erb's palsy. But your ignorance and laziness won't allow you to ask questions and find out from patients how and where their problems started

Yonce:


Wow. That's really insightful.

So they do not diagnose, treat, prescribe and manage patients? Who does that exactly anyway?The CONSULTANT NURSE perharps?

Yonce:



Believe it or not bro.
They learn everything except the manufacture and chemical compositions.

Same way they learn Anatomy, physiology, medical biochemistry, hematology etc.
After graduation they can chose to further in these departments including Pharmacy cause they're already grounded in the foundation.

Again I'm not trying to undermine any professional in these areas they have my respect.

frankpro27:


Lol. That's for those in the hospital setting. Outside hospital u can do that. Hahahaha. U guys shud hug transformer

sogodihno:
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They should go and further now, and become pharmacist, spewing nonsense with so much boldness, am sure u are a medical student, graduate first, before saying nonsense now.

further in pharmacy[b].

They should go and further now, and become pharmacist, spewing nonsense with so much boldness, am sure u are a medical student, graduate first, before saying nonsense now.

further in pharmacy.

They should go and further now, and become pharmacist, spewing nonsense with so much boldness, am sure u are a medical student, graduate first, before saying nonsense now.

further in pharmacy ..... my foot

frank41:



I strongly concur with you boss....there is no way two captains can be in the same ship/boat....weda they like it or not.

Yonce:



Lol calm down and type with
reason. Don't be so mad, it's unbecoming

Doctors can take postgraduate courses in pharmacology for your information.
There's a department of Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics. . . .it's under Internal Medicine in some teaching hospitals now.
They train residents and even lecture pharmacology. And yes, they're Medical Doctors with MD attached to their names.

I'm sorry if that makes you mad but it's the reality.

Yonce:



This is your reply??

I was waiting for something actually interesting since you've passed yourself as a know-it-all despite proclaiming to the whole world that you're nothing but a quack.

Just an advice; stick to what you were trained to do. Don't go about killing unsuspecting patients.
Human life is priceless.

sogodihno:


so clinical pharmacology is the same as pharmacy? let me enlighten you and save u futher embarrassment of speaking gibberish next time. Pharmacy is made up of five departments
1. Pharmacology
2.Pharmaceutical chemistry
3. Clinical pharmacy and pharmacy administration
4. Pharmaceutics and microbiology
5. Pharmacognosy.

u see your pharmacology is just one out of five, the only way to further in pharmacy(not pharmacology) is to go and obtain jamb form and become a pharmacist first. No shortcut.

AlphaT1:

I told my MBBS colleague of mine some days ago that if not for people like him I would think reading MBBS in Nigeria makes one myopic and stupid that you can't even use google to get information. We are both HSE professionals. We discussed at length objectively pointing out the issues, JOHESU has its blame no doubt about that but NMA as the head of the health sector has really bastardized the health sector. From the ministers of health to commissioners of health, CMDs, MDs, boards of health institutions etc. are all doctors yet our hospitals keep deteriorating only for NMA to turn and blame JEHOSU instead of holding their colleagues (who are leaders of the sector) accountable.

Whenever I hear NMA saying 'international best practice' I wonder whether they have their own definition of the phrase. Because in developed world like UK, US, and Canada hospitals are headed by administrators who can be anybody with requisite administrative skills, the doctors and other health workers concentrate on offering clinical services as a team with mutual respect for one another. The USA surgeon general for instance, is a nurse, NMA cannot allow this happen in Nigeria yet still quote international best practices. The head of WHO is a biologist from Ethiopia.
The consultant cadre issue, according to NMA would confuse the patient, as if Nigeria or JOHESU invented it; this is obtainable in the UK, US, and Canada that are ranked among the top 10 ..so which one is NMA's international best practices?
NMA also does not allow any non-medical doctor to do MPH in Nigeria, only doctors are qualified to do it; a program that any science graduate can do even at Harvard and the likes. This is pathetic. You cannot continue to suppress and oppress someone and expect him/her not to react at some point.
It is the right of every civil servant to rise to the peak of his or her career (which is director) but NMA oppressed other health workers for many years saying that if others get to the director level, it will confuse the patient. I dont know how! JOHESU had to go to court to get judgement some few years ago.
I can go on and on and on ......
The crisis in the health sector is as a result of failure of our leaders aided by the NMA who has refused to carry the others along as the head of the team. Just recently the Canadian medical association rejected their pay increase insisting that the govt must increase that of allied health workers first. The opposite is d case in Nigeria.

worlexy:
JOHESU can lie sha, don't they lock up chairs, Tables, instruments, theatre, laboratories etc anytime they go on strike just so that those than can use those things wouldn't have access to them while JOHESU are away. Do all those materials belong to them, are they their personal properties? If anyone wants to go on strike, just handover with proper documentation all the hospital equipments and materials under your care to the concerned authorities and withdraw your services. No more, no less!

frankpro27:


Lol. As a Pharm. D holder. I do everything a doctor does in the hospital aside surgery. Wat can u say about dat? I make nothing less than a million every month. Nd doctors don't knw anything about drugs, aside name Nd usage. Most of dem don't even knw the dosing, not to talk of side effect, mechanism of action Nd interactions. I personally ve a photocopying machine for all d blunders I receive as prescriptions from doctors. This war is just starting

olutop:

I ask my patients, and they always point out doctors to be the cause, My own Doctors have d final say on d delivery method to use b4 d midwives go ahead, maybe SVD, CS or induce.
let us leave all these causr we all have faults
all we need is mutual respect and togetherness and let gv our patient the best, every1 is important in the health sector.

malikberry100:
Bro thats to show you how powerful johesu is in all the tertiary hospital in the country,we must win the fight these time or strike continue,im proudly johesu.

DatIjebuBoi:
with your post I can see the problem with the nig health sector is myriad of issues including lack of regulation,arrogance on both sides of the divide.now you claim u can do everything I doctor can do except surgery,aren't you encroaching on his turf and you expect him not to react? and u said you know because your father is a doctor.sorry but how are u different from all these auxiliary nurse.Secondly if its actually that pharmacists are doctors without surgical knowledge ONLY,in countries where health care is profit based I don't think there would be need for G.P so as to maximise profit,but that is not the case.I don't think you would be pleased if a nurse or pharmacy technician says they can do everything pharmacists do except drug production.there are reasons why this boundaries where created and I think they should be respected.Everyone keeps talking about doctors mistake,is it only doctors that make mistakes.don't nurses make them,don't pharmacists make them,don't physios make them.

worlexy:
Your ignorance at work again, Erb's palsy is a nerve injury (overstretching) as a result of birth trauma.
Who conducts deliveries in the hospitals? Johesu(Midwives)

What's the treatment for Erb's palsy, physical corrections of the abnormal posture of the hand from waiter's tip position to normal position, something an illiterate can do, it's just like removing the thumb from the mouth of a child that sucks, with time the child will stop. So why are you boasting that you treat Erb's palsy as if you perform surgical repair on the injured nerve!

To understand the gibberish to just typed well, go and read on what Shoulder Dystocia means and its possible complications then you will understand how ignorant you are

shegzieflex:


Good response. When they are frustrated to prove to all that they know so much, they end up displaying their ignorance even the more!

ozo13:
most of all u said are true but I don't agree with some of ur assertions.
MPH (master in public health) is offered by non MBBS holders in Nigeria. U can check unilorin website.majority of the MPH students are not medical Doctors.
Also What some of ur senior colleagues that want to be addressed as a consultant want is jus base on year of service/experience and not necessarily going to your post graduate schools .i stand to be corrected anyway cos I stand for the truth"in senator dino voice
On the hospital administrator, I think JOHESU have an eye on it too .that's why JOHESU is asking for deputy CMAC position or so.on this I think d NIgeria constitution gave Doctors this position/advantage.my opinion: d thing should be given to an administrator and other guys can be asked to join the committee as it is done in saner clime.
Solution to all ds health sector fracas is to invite all stake holders both medical Doctors and JOHESU guys to the table let all find a lasting solution.
But I jus dey laugh guys wn dey have to gang up with cleaners ,gate men , generator guys in this fight.that's telling u how things have degenerated in this our country.

phantom:
We are still on this NMA vs JOHESU thing years after! Na wa o! This country is cursed!
Let me just leave this here......there should be mutual respect for one another.
Anyone should be able to head the hospital with AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEGREE, johesu or nma.
Why? Because the hospitals should be run as a business...they should be self funding. Thats what you get in saner climes. Govt should divest itself, play a minimal role in funding but a major role in REGULATION.
As regards consultancy position for johesu,i have no issues with it BUT the NMA will not sit and let that happen by rising through the ranks as a civil servant.
The murses,pharmacists and lab TECHNOLOGISTS MUST be willing to attain extra post graduate training the way the doctors do in a particular area of their respective fields. Otherwise it will not be fair to a medical consultant to earn the same with a "consultant" radiographer who was promoted to that level because,lets not kid ourselves,thats the aim of JOHESU.
Lastly, JOHESU should know that we (doctors)CREATED them and we can EXSANGUINATE them.
If this rubbish "superiority" battle continues, all it takes is for the doctors WHO ACTUALLY TREAT the patients to REJECT any test result not ratified by a pathologist with his stamp or a radiology report by a radiologist(NOT RADIOGRAPHER BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE) and see these people respect themeselves and the boundaries.Some states are already adopting that pathologists and radiologists MUST have their stamps to ratify results. This will curb quackery. It means if you bring a test result or radiology report without a doctors stamp(pathologist or radiologist as the case may be), you will be refused treatment until the right thing is done.

God bless the nigerian health sector!
NB: the radiographer takes or acquires the images of the body....the radiologist is the doctor who looks at those imagesvand diagnoses what is wrong with the patient and refers to another doctor colleague to treat. Please in this patient flow, who should sit,close his mouth and be humble? Nigerians,you be the judge! Im out
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