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Riofidelio:
A round of applause for wisdom! This is the first time you've reasoned like a creature made in God's image! Yes oooooooo suchlike men today are those from different backgrounds that formed our own Governing Body. Even though their contemporaries won't notice their virtuous works, generations coming will evaluate all their achievements and glorify God for supporting men with HIS Holy Spirit during the time MORONS like you were busy watching Magic and furiously criticizing their good works!

Riofidelio:
Jesus is the ONLY person who has the right to say i belong to no sides but He still maintain where He's standing "Worship of the Jews" John 4:22. So my friend anybody who can't come out publicly to declare which side he/she belongs is just like those 450 prophets of Baal who were against Elijah's ideology "there can't be numerous forms of worship for ONE single GOD!" Satan is the one behind not coming out to declare where you belong because if you do then people can easily look at your form of worship and point to seeming faults whereas if you're truly worshipping the God that sent Jesus you shouldn't be hiding "spiritually speaking". Matthew 5:14-16 compare to John 3:19-21 There's nothing like "balance approach" when discussing how to distinguish between right and wrong in worship! We're all know what most of the so called Gospel and Pentecostal churches do say about the white garment churches,please there is no place to hide on this matter!

Riofidelio:
A round of applause for wisdom! This is the first time you've reasoned like a creature made in God's image! Yes oooooooo suchlike men today are those from different backgrounds that formed our own Governing Body. Even though their contemporaries won't notice their virtuous works, generations coming will evaluate all their achievements and glorify God for supporting men with HIS Holy Spirit during the time MORONS like you were busy watching Magic and furiously criticizing their good works!

enimooko:
B. who den takes the credit? -

1. To God be the Glory

2. To Jesus be the Glory

3. To the anointed brethren of the first century- well done

4. To the ancient dedicated congregations scattered in different parts of the world - well done

You said you are a Pentecostal:
1. All doctrines copied and refined from the orthodox church
2. lies to say holy spirit told us this, holy spirit told us that
3. quickly tuns to Wikipedia as the independent source of information to attack JW
4. uses wiki information that is influenced by the religious encyclopedia and silent apologist scholars of religion but hypocritically denies it
5. Did not watch the video link at




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnI4eoSvwo .....but pretends to have watched it





A disgruntled man and a L I A R

Riofidelio:
Jesus is the ONLY person who has the right to say i belong to no sides but He still maintain where He's standing "Worship of the Jews" John 4:22. So my friend anybody who can't come out publicly to declare which side he/she belongs is just like those 450 prophets of Baal who were against Elijah's ideology "there can't be numerous forms of worship for ONE single GOD!" Satan is the one behind not coming out to declare where you belong because if you do then people can easily look at your form of worship and point to seeming faults whereas if you're truly worshipping the God that sent Jesus you shouldn't be hiding "spiritually speaking". Matthew 5:14-16 compare to John 3:19-21 There's nothing like "balance approach" when discussing how to distinguish between right and wrong in worship! We're all know what most of the so called Gospel and Pentecostal churches do say about the white garment churches,please there is no place to hide on this matter!

enimooko:
Well I can assure you having taught for 9.5years - Articles of the Greek orthodox Church that if you ask a knowledgeable Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a demented Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a catholic you'll hear their own side and If you ask a protestant you'll hear their own side!
A scholar might decide to use all the sides of the different churches and anyone that disagrees with the conservative narratives of church history, events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and become a global idea

enimooko:
Are Pentecostals part of false religion that teaches tithing, (40million) purgatory, Limbo and the trinity...and how can I trust that That does not require wasting organisation resources Mmmmhhh, you and your bros often lie a lot....I don't know


oh please what is Christendom? Who coinrd the word and what does it mean?

Riofidelio:
"Your comments are well noted and clearly understood" But one thing you're not clarifying is (why God's servants in the past are always adhering to the "organizational concept"?) You said you believe in Jesus but Jesus Himself still confirmed the authenticity of organizational setting as having divine approval before establishing a brand new one (Christianity)! At John 4:22 Jesus clearly told the Samaritan woman "you worship what you don't know but we worship what we know because Salvation originates with the Jews" of course Jesus never said that both the worship practiced in (Mount Zion) Jerusalem and that in (Mount Gerisim)Samaria is OK. Undoubtedly Satan who complicated the worship making Israelites to have different opinions based on one single worship (Mosaic law covenant) can still cause the same to happen to Christianity, that's why Jesus instructed Christians (those ready to do what He said not just those who love to be called "Christians" since that group name has been generally accepted) that many will come in His name "false leaders" and mislead many "deceived congregants". He also said by these all(other religious groups including those falsely claiming Christians) will know that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves.John 13:35 So it's clear my friend that Jesus came to establish another UNIQUE group and Satan is battle prepared to complicate issues by creating his own groups misrepresenting Jesus' own( Matthew 13:24-30)but only those who are conscious of their spiritual needs can IDENTIFY that one and only group by studying the Bible,meditating on what they read,praying for guidance and paying rapt attention to the signs Jesus mentioned to help in identifying true Christianity! 2Corinthians 2:11

achorladey:
A scholar(writers in the Jws organisation) might decide to use all the sides of the different bible scholars commentary and anyone that agrees with the conservative narratives of Jehovah's witnesses history, all other that disagree with the Jws events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys(Governing body) to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and become a global idea. As it is captured in this picture below.

Riofidelio:
"Your comments are well noted and clearly understood" But one thing you're not clarifying is (why God's servants in the past are always adhering to the "organizational concept"?) You said you believe in Jesus but Jesus Himself still confirmed the authenticity of organizational setting as having divine approval before establishing a brand new one (Christianity)! At John 4:22 Jesus clearly told the Samaritan woman "you worship what you don't know but we worship what we know because Salvation originates with the Jews" of course Jesus never said that both the worship practiced in (Mount Zion) Jerusalem and that in (Mount Gerisim)Samaria is OK. Undoubtedly Satan who complicated the worship making Israelites to have different opinions based on one single worship (Mosaic law covenant) can still cause the same to happen to Christianity, that's why Jesus instructed Christians (those ready to do what He said not just those who love to be called "Christians" since that group name has been generally accepted) that many will come in His name "false leaders" and mislead many "deceived congregants". He also said by these all(other religious groups including those falsely claiming Christians) will know that you're my disciples if you have love amongst yourselves.John 13:35 So it's clear my friend that Jesus came to establish another UNIQUE group and Satan is battle prepared to complicate issues by creating his own groups misrepresenting Jesus' own( Matthew 13:24-30)but only those who are conscious of their spiritual needs can IDENTIFY that one and only group by studying the Bible,meditating on what they read,praying for guidance and paying rapt attention to the signs Jesus mentioned to help in identifying true Christianity! 2Corinthians 2:11

achorladey:
Since you don't know research on it very well. When you know the meaning of Christendom, please feel free to quote me.

enimooko:
OK, but are Pentecostals part of false religion that teaches tithing, (PMBs 40million) purgatory, Limbo and the trinity

...and since you and your bros often lie a lot....(Hillary Clinton will win the election) am not sure to believe that you don't know what is Christendom?

Who coined the word and what does it mean? - Ode

Is there any other religious movement that has attracted so much patronage on Nairaland.com? I know what some will say and I know how some will react. Testosterone rising....

achorladey:
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Salvation102:

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Ken4Christ:
But Jesus taught about hell in such a way that even idiots can understand what he meant. But you twist his messages to your own destruction. You don't believe he even rose from the dead bodily. If you don't believe an event that already happened with infallible witnesses, how can you believe what you haven't yet seen. If you want us to go on doctrinal issues, I am ready but we will focus on one topic at a time. I will suggest you choose from the following.

1. Doctrine of born again.
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ
3. Doctrine of hell fire

I am waiting. Meanwhile, TB Joshua is not my Pastor and I am not one of his adherent.

according to what you think you have advantage in abi?

enimooko:
Is there any other religious movement that has attracted so much patronage on Nairaland.com? I know what some will say and I know how some will react. Testosterone rising....






Meanwhile News from the governing body at https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

Question: "How and when was the canon of the Bible put together?"

Answer: The term “canon” is used to describe the books that are divinely inspired and therefore belong in the Bible. The difficulty in determining the biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.

Compared to the New Testament, there was much less controversy over the canon of the Old Testament. Hebrew believers recognized God’s messengers and accepted their writings as inspired of God. While there was undeniably some debate in regards to the Old Testament canon, by A.D. 250 there was nearly universal agreement on the canon of Hebrew Scripture. The only issue that remained was the Apocrypha, with some debate and discussion continuing today. The vast majority of Hebrew scholars considered the Apocrypha to be good historical and religious documents, but not on the same level as the Hebrew Scriptures.

For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in AD 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In AD 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with one book of the Apocrypha) and 26 books of the New Testament (everything but Revelation) were canonical and to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (AD 393) and the Council of Carthage (AD 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

The councils followed something similar to the following principles to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit:
1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle?
2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large?
3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching?
4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit?

Again, it is crucial to remember that the church did not determine the canon. No early church council decided on the canon.
It was God, and God alone, who determined which books belonged in the Bible. It was simply a matter of God’s imparting to His followers what He had already decided. The human process of collecting the books of the Bible was flawed, but God, in His sovereignty, and despite our ignorance and stubbornness, brought the early church to the recognition of the books He had inspired.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This piece above must have been secretly written by the JWs

hence,

The Muratorian Fragment thus confirms that most of the books now found in the Christian Greek Scriptures were already considered canonical in the second century C.E. Of course, the canonicity of the Bible books —that is, their right to be included in the divine library— does not depend on their being mentioned in a certain ancient list. What gives evidence that the Bible’s books are the product of holy spirit is their content. They all support the authorship of Jehovah God and are in complete harmony. The harmony and balance of the 66 canonical books of the Bible testify to their unity and completeness. Thus, you do well to accept them for what they truthfully are, Jehovah’s Word of inspired truth, preserved until our day. —1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

achorladey:
Initially I don't seem to get you right the first time. But from your last two post, it seems I do. But that is still not enough to throw insult. I am still following your conversation though.

achorladey:
What gives
evidence that the Bible’s books are the product of
holy spirit is their content. They all support the
authorship of Jehovah God and are in complete
harmony. The harmony and balance of the 66
canonical books of the Bible testify to their unity and completeness. Thus, you do well to accept
them for what they truthfully are, Jehovah’s Word
of inspired truth, preserved until our day.​—1
Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
How does this relate to religious patronage

enimooko:
Oh a certain @salvation102 believes a certain Church is entitled to to get credit for the bibles canon and are therefore holy ghost directed...and has continued to look for Wikipedia research that supports such patronage of religion....(Just a summary)

Ken4Christ:
1. Doctrine of born again.
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ
3. Doctrine of hell fire
I am waiting. Meanwhile, TB Joshua is not my Pastor and I am not one of his adherent.

salvation101:
nope.the men who compiled the canon are members of ur GB na. Iya e oponu,baba e olodo.

unbitchable:
never knew you could sling mud this much.
You couldn't have been dirtier and more ridiculously low especially in your exchanges with kolawole. What a shame!
You threw away the J in Jesu and was transformed into a barefaced demon. Where are your manners?, your attitude of polite restraint?.
Needless to say, beyond the pheripheral, there lies within a tendency of a monster waiting to be unleashed at a given switch.
I'm having a rethink.

Salvation102: [/quote]102versus101 [quote author=salvation101]

salvation101:
d 8 imbeciles u called GB cannot compile any material dat would not keep changing like ur doctrines,magazine nd nwt biblevil .

enimooko:

note that its always 102versus101

johnw47:
Gen_5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


because enoch walked with God-pleased God, God took enoch-translated enoch so that he would not die


false jw jozzy would say:

because enoch walked with God-pleased god, God took enoch-translated enoch so that he would die



duh jozzy, simple IQ test would leave you out of knowing it
and what has an IQ test to do with where God translated enoch to
it's just a matter of searching the scriptures and seeing if it's there,
nothing to do with IQ, oh one lacking in IQ

unbitchable:
never knew you could sling mud this much.
You couldn't have been dirtier and more ridiculously low especially in your exchanges with kolawole. What a shame!
You threw away the J in Jesu and was transformed into a barefaced demon. Where are your manners?, your attitude of polite restraint?.
Needless to say, beyond the pheripheral, there lies within a tendency of a monster waiting to be unleashed at a given switch.
I'm having a rethink.

unbitchable:
never knew you could sling mud this much.
You couldn't have been dirtier and more ridiculously low especially in your exchanges with kolawole. What a shame!
You threw away the J in Jesu and was transformed into a barefaced demon. Where are your manners?, your attitude of polite restraint?.
Needless to say, beyond the pheripheral, there lies within a tendency of a monster waiting to be unleashed at a given switch.
I'm having a rethink.

enimooko:
Is there any other religious movement that has attracted so much patronage on Nairaland.com? I know what some will say and I know how some will react. Testosterone rising....






Meanwhile News from the governing body at https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

Question: "How and when was the canon of the Bible put together?"

Answer: The term “canon” is used to describe the books that are divinely inspired and therefore belong in the Bible. The difficulty in determining the biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.

Compared to the New Testament, there was much less controversy over the canon of the Old Testament. Hebrew believers recognized God’s messengers and accepted their writings as inspired of God. While there was undeniably some debate in regards to the Old Testament canon, by A.D. 250 there was nearly universal agreement on the canon of Hebrew Scripture. The only issue that remained was the Apocrypha, with some debate and discussion continuing today. The vast majority of Hebrew scholars considered the Apocrypha to be good historical and religious documents, but not on the same level as the Hebrew Scriptures.

For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in AD 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In AD 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with one book of the Apocrypha) and 26 books of the New Testament (everything but Revelation) were canonical and to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (AD 393) and the Council of Carthage (AD 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

The councils followed something similar to the following principles to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit:
1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle?
2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large?
3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching?
4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit?

Again, it is crucial to remember that the church did not determine the canon. No early church council decided on the canon.
It was God, and God alone, who determined which books belonged in the Bible. It was simply a matter of God’s imparting to His followers what He had already decided. The human process of collecting the books of the Bible was flawed, but God, in His sovereignty, and despite our ignorance and stubbornness, brought the early church to the recognition of the books He had inspired.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This piece above must have been secretly written by the JWs

hence,

The Muratorian Fragment thus confirms that most of the books now found in the Christian Greek Scriptures were already considered canonical in the second century C.E. Of course, the canonicity of the Bible books​—that is, their right to be included in the divine library—​does not depend on their being mentioned in a certain ancient list. What gives evidence that the Bible’s books are the product of holy spirit is their content. They all support the authorship of Jehovah God and are in complete harmony. The harmony and balance of the 66 canonical books of the Bible testify to their unity and completeness. Thus, you do well to accept them for what they truthfully are, Jehovah’s Word of inspired truth, preserved until our day.​—1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

enimooko:
Oh a certain @salvation102 believes a certain Church is entitled to to get credit for the bibles canon and are therefore holy ghost directed...and has continued to look for Wikipedia research that supports such patronage of religion....(Just a summary)

Riofidelio:
Changing of course yet the evidence is there that those they gathered are exemplary citizens of a spiritual peaceful nation which they were able to liberate from virtually all sort of people including nations that are well known for terror and vicious lifestyles. So you can call them whatever you feel as long as they're able to organize these people and making them orderly! Let's see the evidence of your Holy Spirit the way these "8 imbeciles" and those that compiled the Bible in 400ad were able to do something that's noteworthy!

achorladey:
Picture this scenario in John 4:21, and don't just jump to verse 22 Jesus a publisher in the Jws organisation witnessing to the samaritan(the worldly)and Jesus spoke what is written in that verse 21. Who will Jesus be to you.... A false JW or perhaps an apostate. Add this to the scenario Matthew 24:1,2 Does Jesus look like someone ready to continue in the religion of the Jews? Jesus stick to Judaism because the covenant establishing it had not come to an end. When it ended do you not see the way christ disciples opposed it? Did Jesus ask his disciples to set up another organisation similar to Judaism after his death?

John 3:19-21 can the Jws organization as it is today beat their chest and say they do not practice vile things? Can they say authoritatively that they are in the light with "the light getting brighter and brighter concept they believe in when they change their policies and doctrines"?

When these things are said by Jesus christ he was not addressing them as an organisation he was more concerned on the indidviduals .......Nicodemus the seeker in question here. John 3:19-21

As for me who do I belong to........
So then, no more boasting about human leaders(who are leading God's people today. Do you still remember that watchtower study article its just over a year and three month old)! All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

let no one boast in men; for all things belong to you, 22 whether Paul or A·polʹlos or Ceʹphas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you; 23 in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.

salvation101:
i always knew dat u were one of dem no wonder d trolling. Well u just confirmed. How else would u av stumbled on dis page wen u r not even following me on d forum
Removetheturban aye?