princfred:
You are the one with a closed mind. Where are the Rehaps, orphanages and free secondary schools missionaries built? Where they stupid to build things that were cheap and affordable the poor? Imagine . Why didn't they start building things out of the reach of the poor in their names? Ask your selfish GO's those questions.

Now you're contradicting yourself. There are many rehabs and orphanages in Nigeria. You have constantly deviated from the point of this thread. Your points are finished.
Bye bye. When your missionaries build a free university, come and tell me.

delpee:
There's no need for all these arguments really. We all know how bad the situation would have been if the Church didn't start building universities at the time they did.

The private universities award scholarships to deserving indigent students. Babcock for instance takes care of those who lose parents while in school. The Adelekes award many scholarships to indigent students in their university.

In any case, the poor can decide not to pay tithes so that they don't help the rich inadvertently abi. Sadly it won't help them. The reality is that it will not stop the work of God. His divine purpose will always be fulfilled.

The work of God is to build schools?

Yea, we saw Apostle Paul's schools in Antioch when we went on pilgrimage last year....That of Apostle Peter could be seen in Samaria!!!

Ihateyoumod:


Keep kwayet...where did I say a jet will cover the running cost of a university......... U mentioned something's the university needed money to cover......so r u saying the cost of one or two of these things cannot be covered with the cost and maintenance of a jet.

Mind u some of these churches own more than one jet....so wht r u saying...

A church university is like covenant, redeemers can not be cheap because they had conformed and aligned with the standards of the world......... That's d point u r making here

So the maintenance cost of the Jets will cover for the universities expenses right? That's exactly what you're saying.
Aligned with the standards of this world. So they should create their own country and economy?
Have you ever seen a cheap private university before? Why are you typing like an illiterate?

Truth about your Prophets and Pastors putting in you Physical and spiritual bondages as follows unknown to you having designed it spiritually # Since you can't pay tithes, prophets and pastors turns you into an errand servant. 
He sends you to buy biscuits for his children, wash pants for his wife and clean his cars and shine his shoes. 

You sweep the church for free while awaiting your heavenly reward while the pastor fly private jets and drive flashy sedans. 

You are happy that your pastor is rich and argue for him in midst of your friends. At worst he makes you his driver or security officer for a patry sum. 

He runs to the UK at the slightest symptoms of headache but prays for you when you are sick and tells you to bring your sick mother to church for prayers instead of taking her to hospitals to waste money. 
She dies and he tells you that it was God's will while his mother has been in the UK for months receiving the best treatment that tithes can buy.

He buys a new land for a new church branch, you help to carry blocks and turn concrete, then collect blessings as reward. You are happy to be working for the salvation of your soul, heaven will pay.
The pastor lives his heaven on earth while you fast and party in night vigils without receiving peace and light and unbelievable power as Jesus Christ gives those who locate him. 

The new church building is completed on your sweat. 

He invites the president, governor, senator, house of representative member and every other person who made sure that you are poor by design and evil oppression and who are not born again or even what we call enemies of Jesus Christ . 

The whole area is policed with guns and armored cars. You are comfortably seated at the back of the reception back while straining your neck to see who and who came to the event.

The president and governor and senator plus their contractor friends donate hundreds of millions for the new Church with stolen or evil gotten wealth while you cheer from the back and wished you also have the same type of money.

The food they shared didn't get to you but you are happy the president and governor and senator and rich people came to your church. You even brag to others of how your pastor is well connected. 

You get home, hunger Knocks angrily on the belly door, your neighbor who my no be a born again bails you out while you wait for heaven to pay and reward you. 

10 years on the jobless list, pastor's children have been sent abroad for studies. Age is no longer on your side, pastor hooks you up with another aunty that sweeps the church for free with no education just like you and Weds you both on a Friday evening church service and you are happy. Your children starts the circle all over again.
God have mercy!!! How long will the circle go till help comes to the poor who worship their so called pastors and prophets and not Jesus Christ and remain in evil bondages physically and spiritually and emotionally without knowing their suffering and pretend loads in false humility ?

That’s the *travesty cum irony* of the Church via prophets and pastors and current society of this generation ! 
God have mercy to those who deserve mercy and liberate them from the bandages of prophets and pastors who also knows who is revealing the things unknown after the creation of the world hence in the realm of the spirit there is no distance# check us out! 

I have given you our all inclusive justice prayer points, please pray all inclusive justice prayers if you stand for justice*

Ihateyoumod:


Accept it ur church has conformed and aligned itself to the standards of the world, guess who sets d standards of the world??....Satan.....u all have been brainwashed by Satan that's y u believe the church cannot offer cheap education.

Wow. There's actually someone who thinks a private jet and it's maintenance cost can fund a private university.
#ThisIsNigeria!

drealtruth:
Thanks for the swift response I did a little research and I found this link http://www.davidoyedepofoundation.org/portal/scholarship/register/ but it's not opening.

you should apply for the AAI scholarship in CU. it is fully funded by Jim ovia foundation. visit admission page of Covenant you would see it there.

DrayZee:

Now you're contradicting yourself. There are many rehabs and orphanages in Nigeria. You have constantly deviated from the point of this thread. Your points are finished.
Bye bye. When your missionaries build a free university, come and tell me.

Keep trying to deceive yourself. How many of those Rehaps , orphanages and schools for blind deaf or physically challenged were built by your so called GO saints? You want to make mouths with the ones missionaries built and left deceptive mumu. Mention.

They did not build free uni's but what they did build were free or affordable and they built it for people not even their race while we are here preaching that churches should build things the poor of their own race can afford not just to favor the rich and you are bleating about.

Wantedmiller:


where did they got the money to build all those buildings...... I mean the church

you are talking about building maintenance!

A building means nothing without the right things in the building. It means zilch.
The buildings are the cheapest aspects of a university in the long run. Will the building be like that forever? Will students just sit in the building and play ludo?
That's why I find it ridiculous when governors claim to build world class hospital, without any plans of putting world class staff, training and retraining of staff, and updating equipments regularly. The whole purpose becomes defeated. At the end of the day, it still turns out to be a primary health center
A lot of world class universities are several small campuses, scattered around. The buildings themselves are not impressive. They even appear small and you're like- "Is this the Harvard?", but its not about the buildings. That's the smallest thing to achieve. It's about the quality of lecturers, research etc there.
Let's be real here.
I fully support church universities paying tuition. Some subsidies here and there from the church, but tuition is a must for standard to be kept.
Even our public institutions can't improve until they review their tuition. Despite the heavy subsidies by the govt, salaries are paid by the govt. Yet the schools are in a deplorable state.
I would rather the private unis maintain their standard.
They have scholarships in place for members. I'm not sure of the criteria for awarding scholarships, but i would hope it should strictly be by merit. Even if you're a poor member, you should totally merit the scholarship before you're given. Because you're poor is no excuse for you to be given a scholarship. You should also be brilliant.
The only thing my moral mind may not agree with is that scholarships should be given only on the basis of financial disability. The scholarships should be open to both the poor and the rich, and only deserving students should be given- by considering an aptitude test, waec, jamb etc.

princfred:
Keep trying to deceive yourself. How many of those Rehaps , orphanages and schools for blind deaf or physically challenged were built by your so called GO saints? You want to make mouths with the ones missionaries built and left deceptive mumu. Mention.

They did not build free uni's but what they did build were free or affordable and they built it for people not even their race while we are here preaching that churches should build things the poor of their own race can afford not just to favor the rich and you are bleating about.

Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.
Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

DrayZee:

So the maintenance cost of the Jets will cover for the universities expenses right? That's exactly what you're saying.
Aligned with the standards of this world. So they should create their own country and economy?
Have you ever seen a cheap private university before? Why are you typing like an illiterate?

There are no cheap universities anywhere, either private or public. For example the FG spends average of N430, 000 per year on each UI undergraduate.

CodeTemplar:
There are no cheap universities anywhere, either private or public. For example the FG spends average of N430, 000 per year on each UI undergraduate.

Take a look at the type of people on this page. Will they want to believe if you tell them that?
They don't know their education is being subsidized. Heck, some don't even get the concept of a subsidy.

DrayZee:

Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults. Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

You wey be professor of research but cant mention any. Imagine goat. And one shouldn't need to research first before knowing such humanitarian structures by churches it should be staring in our faces just like the ones build by missionaries do.

princfred:
You wey be professor of research but cant mention any. Imagine goat. And one shouldn't need to research first before knowing such structures by churches it should be staring in our faces just like the ones build by missionaries do.

I've modified. Sha lemme type it again.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.

HigherEd:

you should apply for the AAI scholarship in CU. it is fully funded by Jim ovia foundation. visit admission page of Covenant you would see it there.

The good news about this scholarship is that as expensive as it is people still chose private over some public uni

AlphaMajestic:


ur one the people DATs always displaying foolishness anywhr dy like...oyibo Pple paid for the same oyibo Pple to teach u...so wat is not free about it ..if government pay teachers for government school to be free..is it not free then...is it until buhari comes to d class wid Cain Nd chalk DAT u will knw wat free is..mugu

your mouth is too sharp , haba, you are a terrorist

DrayZee:

Take a look at the type of people on this page. Will they want to believe if you tell them that?
They don't know their education is being subsidized. Heck, some don't even get the concept of a subsidy.

That's one attribute of most public uni graduates. Their ability to adjust their perception of any situation to suite their ego. Nigeria needs reorientation from the spiritual angle.

leye4u:
Nairaland is filled with with popular educated olodos.....write a business plan of just 10years on the running of a standard university.... You guys are just tooooo ignorant,and you wonder why 95percent Nigerian Bizs fail in less than 5years,financial illiteracy is a curse in africa

Now you are talking...

It's a business not a mission university...

DrayZee:

Bye bye. It's obvious you have nothing reasonable to say, that's why you resort to insults.
Habitation of Hope by RCCG.
Conduct your own research and learn. Don't type uninformed.
Peace.

With how many branches and serving how many? Imagine if it were as renowned as the uni by receiving as much focus by the church as given to the uni? Then you wouldn't have to mention it before a lot people know it.

Op can you tell me what the school fees of the university students are used for? Nigerian universities don't have a problem generating revenue from students, their problem is with corruption from the oga's at the top. There are at least thousands of students in any given Nigerian university, and these students pay nothing less than 30k(i stand to be corrected) as school fees, multiply this 30k with the amount of students and then tell me if the universities are not making profit after selling their various operating costs and taxes( if any).
#justmyopinion #justsaying

HigherEd:
It is sad that once again a Nigerian who ought to be a responsible mentor for Nigerian youths has towed the unfortunate path of Ignorance. In his recent music video, Fahlz called out Nigerian Churches for building universities with money of the poor yet made it unavailable for the poor due to "expensive" tuition.

This is one of the numerous emotional blackmail that churches in Nigeria are being subjected to. It is sad because one wonders if much of these accusers even realise what it takes to fund a mediocre university not to talk of a good one. In much of these debates and attacks against churches, most seem to abandon the facts rather they go feed on the lies and propaganda against the church which is an easy target because most churches rightly do not have PR teams or many individuals knowledgeable enough to defend them.

How Much Does It Cost To Run A Nigerian University
We would be using federal and state universities as a guide here due to the unavailability of data from mission universities.
In their underfunded states, the University of Ibadan's annual wage bill stands at 800 million naira/month translating to 10 billion naira/annum. Capital allocation to the university also stands at 1 billion naira/annum. While Tetfund's annual allocation stands at 2 billion naira per annum. Therefore all FG induced funding stands at 13 billion naira for a total number of 29,783 students which put total FG subsidy of UI at N437,000.00 per annum. This is excluding the IGR made by the university.
State universities on the other hand have a typical wage bill profile of about 5 billion a year. Example would be the likes of Lautech and EkSu with 390> million naira and 450 million naira as wage bill respectively.

If Governments are finding it hard to fund universities how would fahlz expect churches to do so exclusively?
Until recently Lautech was enmeshed in a serie of Industrial actions which was a result of the two owner state's inability to pay subvention for the university. Adekunle Ajasin on the other hand witnessed an internal crisis when state government had to hike the fees students where paying. All these are testament to the fact that university education is severely expensive to fund. So the intelligent questions that Fahlz should be asking is how state governments funded with Oil revenue, Compulsory Tax and a predictable income regime are finding it nearly impossible to properly fund single universities across their various states. Not why should churches who are funded by Voluntary donations and a nonconsistent income regime must fund free education.

There Are No Free Church Universities Anywhere In The World.
While most of the advocates of free church university education are quick to cite old missionaries as the reason why today's church must give free education it is curious as to why they refuse to cite free church universities in adavanced nations of the world today which currently practices free education. They cunningly make it sound as though tuition fees was invented by Nigerian pastors. But it is indeed far from the truth. The fact is that majority of the conventional churches across the globe funded or founded by churches charge way higher than their counterparts in Nigerian universities. Exceptions would be made of university cum seminaries which are usually also funded by churches.

"Church Universities Are Funded By The Poor" - A lie invented by Mischievous individuals
Half truths are equal to lies, to say that church universities are funded by the poor is to insinuate that they are exclusively funded by them. But that would be a lie because the obvious truth is that they are equally funded by the rich and middle class who in some cases don't even bother applying. Much of these self appointed advocates of the poor are in the reality hypocrites using poor people as a pawn in a dirty war game against the church.
University education is expensive everywhere and where it is free someone must be paying for it. Many of the hyocritic advocates of the poor make it seem as though poor people sell off their inheritances to gift to churches so as to build schools "that are for the rich". But in reality what most church members give to churches or university donations are negligible funds such as 50 - 500 naira. How many 50/100 naira notes are you going to pull together to replace one 800,000 required to educate one kid?


Nigerian Churches Should Continue Their Good works In The Higher Education Sector And Ignore Detractors.
The fact of the matter is that Nigerian churches provided over 30 universities which has given thousands of Nigerian youths the opportunity to study in a country with one of the lowest university per populations in the world. They've done that and have equally saved Nigeria millions in foreign exchange which erstwhile was lost to education tourism. They've funded researches in millions, owned research institutes which helped in curbing infectious disease and now even one now has a startup laboratory.


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The rich and the poor funded to build the university together. Don't be sentimental as against the rich. People will be sounding it as if the poor were robbed to build schools that the rich did not contribute to. A and B was called to build a sophisticated and better school of learning. Both A and B contributed without constrianed feeling...After the project, it was seen and understood that such standard can only be run by not-a-cheap cash. B was able to afford it, A was'nt (but A can stand a chance in terms of scholarship and other incentives). Hurray! ...and they each lived happily everafter!!!

princfred:
I guess, in your stupid logic, those missionaries who didnt tell the people this your mumu talk but built free/ affordable things for them must be stupid. A typical black goat reasoning. If you were a missionary thats what you would have told Africans then. Blacks can't even take of their people in a humane sense but they blame some whites for seeing them as inhumane semi-animals.

Thats why their brand f Christianity has not changed the country. Inhumane selfish brand that cant bring socialistic distribution of wealth to uplift the poor like it complemented capitalism in the west.

Mr Ignorant, just think for once before you say trash.

Those 'missionaries' you keep saying are majorly Catholics, Adventists, Baptists Anglicans etc. They all still exist and all have schools today...and those schools aren't free neither are they affordable to you and the 'poor'...and that's why you will keep complaining. In fact, Babcock (Owned by the Adventist Church,) is one of the most expensive private schools in Nigeria.

Infact, I challenge you to show me 10 free Universities that have been built by missionaries.

If Winners for example, want to begin an outreach in a remote village in the North and they build a secondary or primary school, do you, in your ignorant mind, expect them to pay a fee in such school?

princfred:
With how many branches and serving how many? Imagine if it were as renowned as the uni by receiving as much focus by the church as given to the uni? Then you wouldn't have to mention it before a lot people know it.

Lol. After everything na like dis your argument end.
Branches. Because I look like their managing director.
Master of insults. Go lie down joor.

ladygudhead:
The rich and the poor funded to build the university together. Don't be sentimental as against the rich. People will be sounding it as if the poor were robbed to build schools that the rich did not contribute to. A and B was called to build a sophisticated and better school of learning. Both A and B contributed without constrianed feeling...After the project, it was seen and understood that such standard can only be run by not-a-cheap cash. B was able to afford it, A was'nt (but A can stand a chance in terms of scholarship and other incentives). Hurray! ...and they each lived happily everafter!!!

They'll still find fault in this. I don't know where their anger is coming from. The people that donated, I've not seen any complain to me. It's those that will walk out of church when they hear donate that are commenting

MxFactor:
Why can't the church open its universities to the poor and the rich without collecting fees?

This comment doesn't make any sense sir.
Since you are looking for a university which the poor can afford....Go to KWASU or UNIOSUN(schools funded by the state government ooo) go and check the tuition fees if the poor can afford it talkless of a private university making theirs free

Run the schools from the money, donations collected on sundays, wednesday services, special sundays.

Lemme ask you this sir
Do you donate to the church??
Do you pay your offerings during a Wednesday services??
Do you pay your tithes??
Do you pay your offerings on Special Sundays

If you have a No as an answer for any or the question...Please shut up!!!!!

There are some people here that are against tithe paying saying that the pastor extorts
their money
And they are one of the people spouting nonsense here about making the tuition less expensive
You don't pay common offerings and you are here disgracing yourself
The pastor can as well use his money while the students use for free the school's infastructures that most federal and state universities doesn't have

ladygudhead:
The rich and the poor funded to build the university together. Don't be sentimental as against the rich. People will be sounding it as if the poor were robbed to build schools that the rich did not contribute to. A and B was called to build a sophisticated and better school of learning. Both A and B contributed without constrianed feeling...After the project, it was seen and understood that such standard can only be run by not-a-cheap cash. B was able to afford it, A was'nt (but A can stand a chance in terms of scholarship and other incentives). Hurray! ...and they each lived happily everafter!!!

aunty ur an imbe_cile...ur account shd be named ladybadhead....I hope u will one day endorse a deal like dis as d poor client...and I will defnitely be dia to join u and shout...Hurray!...monkey

henribj:
Op can you tell me what the school fees of the university students are used for? Nigerian universities don't have a problem generating revenue from students, their problem is with corruption from the oga's at the top. There are at least thousands of students in any given Nigerian university, and these students pay nothing less than 30k(i stand to be corrected) as school fees, multiply this 30k with the amount of students and then tell me if the universities are not making profit after selling their various operating costs and taxes( if any).
#justmyopinion #justsaying

Thank God it's your opinion. Let me let you know that yearly salaries of academic and non-academic staff alone will gulp all that money and still not be completed. Electricity, equipment and general maintenance will take much more than that amount. Federal university fees are being subsidized. They're meant to be paying nothing less that 400k in some universities.
And really, can you compare the funding from the Federal Government to that of a single church. Really?

DrayZee:


They'll still find fault in this. I don't know where their anger is coming from. The people that donated, I've not seen any complain to me. It's those that will walk out of church when they hear donate that are commenting

One is already calling me names up there.

CodeTemplar:
But let us reasonable oh, How can a church extort a follower and the follower still goes there ? Use what God gave you na.

brain you mean?

AlphaMajestic:


aunty ur an imbe_cile...ur account shd be named ladybadhead....I hope u will one day endorse a deal like dis as d poor client...and I will defnitely be dia to join u and shout...Hurray!...monkey

hahaa .Your sense of reasoning is poor.

ladygudhead:
One is already calling me names up there.

Seen. That's how you know that they're empty. Insults are all they can come up with.

CodeTemplar:
But let us reasonable oh, How can a church extort a follower and the follower still goes there ? Use what God gave you na.

please understand what is going on. the devil is at work. after all Christ did,people like falz still crucified him. don't waste your time defending the church. the attackers know the truth. they are on a mission