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Fyi0:
I agree with you right there that it is a very big shame on your organization.
I asked clear questions which you have up until now been unable to answer not even one of them.
I have always grown up having JWs as friends. I have a house full of "Awakes" and "Watch towers".
I always have welcomed JWs, what marvels me anyway is how they refuse to welcome others, such hypocrisy.

I always have asked these questions members if your organization whenever they come visiting yet none of them have been able to give an answer to any of them. They stutter, run round circles and quickly vanish, just like you're doing now.
I didn't know that there was an appropriate place of answering questions pertaining to the faith.

Yeah, shame on a globally recognized form of worship that was declared extremist by the courts if law in Russia.

Thanks my friend, God bless you!

Riofidelio:
Thanks my friend, God bless you!

And bless you too. I will earnestly path for you.

Fyi0:
1. If Jesus was resurrected as an invisible spirit, like the Watchtower teaches, why did Jesus say he was going to raise his physical body from the dead (John 2:19-22)?

2. If Jesus, the man, ceased to exist at his death and was raised from the dead as Michael the Archangel, why did Michael deceive the apostles into believing that they were witnessing Jesus in a resurrected physical body (Luke 24:39)?

3. If Jesus is now living in heaven as an invisible spirit creature, like the Watchtower teaches, why did Paul write many years after the ascension of Christ that he is dwelling in heaven in a physical body (Colossians 2:9)? Note: The Greek word, somatikos, means physical, tangible body.

4. If Jesus is now Michael the Archangel, why does 1 Timothy 2:5 say that the mediator between God and men is the man, Christ Jesus, and not the spirit, Michael the Archangel?

5. Can you show me a verse in the bible that clearly says Jesus is the Archangel Michael? How can Jesus be Michael since Hebrews chapter 1 stresses the superiority of Jesus over the angels and that all the angels worship him? Why would Jehovah command that the entire angelic realm worship another angel? Note: The Watchtower bible changes the word worship, in Hebrews 1:6, to “do obeisance to”. However, see section below on the New World Translation.

6. Since the Watchtower was wrong in the past about many of its teachings and the light continues to get brighter (Proverbs 4:18), how do you know that the current teachings are correct and won’t change?

7. Why did the Watchtower magazine (Nov 15, 1981, p. 21) say to “come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” when Jesus never directed us to an organization for salvation but to him?

8. When you joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses, did you read information for and against the Watchtower so you could make an educated and well rounded decision based on both points of view?

9. Has anyone become a Jehovah’s Witness after reading the bible alone without the aid of Watchtower material?

10. If I were to join the Jehovah’s Witnesses, would it be okay for me to do research into the Watchtower’s past by reading non-Watchtower material?

11. Since the Watchtower was in error many times in the past, are you obligated to believe that all the current teachings are God’s truth?

12. If Jesus’ invisible presence began in 1914, like the Watchtower teaches, why was the Watchtower teaching in 1929 that Jesus’ invisible presence began in 1874? How did they finally figure out that that teaching was false?
Reference: Prophecy, 1929, p. 65.

13. Since the Watchtower claims to be God’s prophet ( The Watchtower , April 1, 1972, p. 197) and have falsely predicted

16. Why did Hebrews 1:6 in the 1970 version of the New World Translation say, “Let all God’s angels worship him” and not “do obeisance to him” like the new versions say?

17. Why does the New World Translation insert the word “other” four times into Colossians chapter 1 when it isn’t in the Greek manuscripts at all? Doesn’t this change the meaning of the text?

18. Why does the New World Translation place the comma in Luke 23:43 in a different location than it does every other time when Jesus says, “Truly I tell you”?

19. Can you show me a list of Greek scholars who approve of the New World Translation’s New Testament translation?

20. Can you show me a list of the people who were on the New World Translation Committee along with their credentials in the ancient Biblical languages?

21. If the Watchtower’s teaching that the 144,000 were filled in 1935 is correct, can you explain how Jesus, his apostles and their immediate followers couldn’t get 144,000 converts in 1800 years, but the Watchtower got 6 million converts in 125 years?

22. Why does the Watchtower teach that only 144,000 people are born-again when 1 John 5:1 says that everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God?

23. Why is there only one judgment period from God to test the endurance and worthiness of the 144,000 before they are guaranteed of eternal life, but the other sheep have to endure through this life, the 1000 year millennium plus pass an unknown final test before they are counted worthy of eternal life? Why is salvation so much easier for the 144,000?

24. If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not part of the 144,000 with a heavenly hope, why does Jesus say in Matthew 8:11 that they will be in the kingdom of heaven?

25. According to Jesus in John 17:3, how many true Gods are there? Would you say that whatever is not true is false? Doesn’t the New World Translation call Jesus “a god” in John 1:1? Since there is only one true God and all others must be false, is Jesus a true God or a false god?

26. If Jesus was God’s Master Worker in creation, why does Jehovah say, in Isaiah 44:24, that He created all things by Himself?

27. If Jesus is a created being, why does he get twice as much worship, in Revelation 5:12, as Jehovah gets in Revelation 4:11?

28. If Jehovah created Jesus, why does John 1:3 say that all things came into existence through Jesus and apart from him not even one thing was made? Doesn’t this place Jesus outside the realm of created things?

29. If everlasting life comes by taking in knowledge (John 17:3), how long do I have to study with the Jehovah’s Witnesses to be assured that I have enough knowledge to live forever? 1 year? 5 years?

30. If we pay for our personal sins when we die, like the Watchtower teaches, how will the great crowd who survive Armageddon pay for their sins since they will never die but go right on living into the millennium?

I don't know if they teach all this things or not, But am confident even yourself is in error Your Jesus said remove the stick in your own eyes first if you want to remove the log in the eyes of others.



Lol

Your question 1 and 27 is a topic I really like to discuss with xtians , Was Jesus not created ?

Regarding question 1: Why does Jesus still have a dishonored body full of scars in heaven and not one of glory ?

Fyi0:
And bless you too. I will earnestly path for you.

Am a spectator here, can you kindly clarify some of those things I pointed out above

Riofidelio:
Every household has a bully to fight outsiders na,let's just agree that enimooko and unbitchable are just those brothers of mine who won't take shit from outsiders but i'm sure you can never recognize them if not because you say things they disliked about their Faith as they'll speak and do things nicely everywhere they go as befitting people having Faith. Thanks and God bless you!

look, dey wont take shit from outsiders but u were d first to insult on this thread, but now u making it look am d one who caused a stir . Seems its hard for you guys to defend your doctrine without one of you trying to derail the thread with insults.. Dis would be the 3rd of such thread av been in

salvation101:
look, dey wont take shit from outsiders but u were d first to insult on this thread, but now u making it look am d one who caused a stir . Seems its hard for you guys to defend your doctrine without one of you trying to derail the thread with insults.. Dis would be the 3rd of such thread av been in

Please! Please!! Please!!! I'm sorry and i meant every word of it. And please forget the defending stuff because everyone will continue to say or let's say "mimick" what their teachers (Pastors or GB) taught them so just stick to yours if someone's presentation sounds unreasonable to you! Our forefathers worship idols here in Africa before the Europeans and Arabs brought Churches and Mosques respectively and ever since then we've been playing the "i know this,i know that through the Holy Spirit" thing.So i believe if a presentation is efficient and convincing today it's enough to change hearts but if it's not then there is no need cursing or abusing one another, it's more reasonable to just walk away!

Fyi0:
And bless you too. I will earnestly path for you.

fyi0: Let me address Q25.. indeed NWT is very correct. Jesus is a god. The original Greek manuscript proves it. John1:1 reads: "in beginning was the word, & the word was with ('with' means toward or facing) the god & god was the word". Trinitarian s fraudulently changed small letter "god" to big letter "God" to alter the meaning of the verse. Acts28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Yet,they altered John 1:1 & left Acts 28:6 intact. Very fraudulent.
Q17: The Bible agrees with itself. In ur Bible, John chapter 1 says "in the beginning" but in the Greek manuscript reads "in beginning". U can see that insertion of "the" , in the beginning. Hebrew1:2 says "God has spoken to us by His son through whom he made the universe". Collosians 1:15, 1Cor11:3 & 15:24,27 clarified that Jesus is under the authority of God Almighty, his Father. NWT is correct.

Peacefullove:
I don't know if they teach all this things or not, But am confident even yourself is in error Your Jesus said remove the stick in your own eyes first if you want to remove the log in the eyes of others.



Lol

Your question 1 and 27 is a topic I really like to discuss with xtians , Was Jesus not created ?

Regarding question 1: Why does Jesus still have a dishonored body full of scars in heaven and not one of glory ?

That's quite an interesting question you got there!
I will be unable to sufficiently exhaust the this topic here online because it will lead us straight to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

However, the long and short of it all is that Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity came to earth in human form, through the womb of the Blesses Virgin Mary.
Therefore Jesus is fully Divine and fully human.
This is not difficult to see or comprehend as the Bible is replete with many passages about this.

I hope you I have clarified you with these few points.

Feel free however to quote me if you do not feel so.

Riofidelio:
Please! Please!! Please!!! I'm sorry and i meant every word of it. And please forget the defending stuff because everyone will continue to say or let's say "mimick" what their teachers (Pastors or GB) taught them so just stick to yours if someone's presentation sounds unreasonable to you! Our forefathers worship idols here in Africa before the Europeans and Arabs brought Churches and Mosques respectively and ever since then we've been playing the "i know this,i know that through the Holy Spirit" thing.So i believe if a presentation is efficient and convincing today it's enough to change hearts but if it's not then there is no need cursing or abusing one another, it's more reasonable to just walk away!

who even knows d goal of removetheturban for creating these threads sef. He don even delete him account. Most of the things I now know about JW folks, I learnt from his threads. The JW we see on d Street do not like arguing but over here on d internet, it's a different ball game. Well, wat would anyone even gain from endless unfruitful debates, u can only silence me with facts and a superior argument and not with intimidation mba, it only changes the debate from logical reasoning to ego battle

Riofidelio:
Oh you're welcome back my friend,please it's needless pointing accusing fingers at one another as we all believe we're trying our best regarding Faith. No matter the profile name anyone gives himself/herself can't change nothing, we're all nice people fighting for a beneficial course (Faith) but let's do so with love in as much as we're aware that other has gotten their own beliefs and the right to do so! God bless you.

I wish I have a stamp. I will place it all over this post. It is indeed the right thing we need to do.

Peacefullove:
You don't make any sense .

Catholics do not adhere to sola scriptura which many Protestant folks follow . a Catholic can believe John 14 vs 6 and still intercede through Mary believed as the mother of God , does it matter ?

someone told me, when one is judgemental and dogmatic, it only exhibit smallness of the mind and smallness of spirit and heart. learned or unlearned we want to guide against judgementalism and dogmatism.

I am wondering maybe and I doubt Prophet Isaiah will have the mind to argue up till the extent of becoming judgemental and dogmatic with the scientist of nowadays despite being inspired to write that the earth is circular back then long before the scientist prove the sphericity of the earth.

Isaiah was simply inspired to write, he wrote and moved on with his life.

achorladey:
I wish I have a stamp. I will place it all over this post. It is indeed the right thing we need to do.

Yes! The right thing we all need to do,most people don't know that this is what the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses taught all our members to be doing but out of enthusiasm couple with annoyance when faced with series of confrontations most of US start arguing with those who just wish to criticize our beliefs. To be candid we're only instructed to make presentations and before our householder becomes uncomfortable or annoyed due to our presentation we should peacefully take our leave!

salvation101:
i sent screenshot of our first encounter around January. We had an argument nd dat was d first time dat muniker showed up and started stalking me. Also on dis thread after u promised Emiooko of checking my message, d next moment d muniker showed up again

Mtcheeww!!. A housefly thinks herself a bird.

salvation101:
who even knows d goal of removetheturban for creating these threads sef. He don even delete him account. Most of the things I now know about JW folks, I learnt from his threads. The JW we see on d Street do not like arguing but over here on d internet, it's a different ball game. Well, wat would anyone even gain from endless unfruitful debates, u can only silence me with facts and a superior argument and not with intimidation mba, it only changes the debate from logical reasoning to ego battle

He's not in Nigeria,he lives far away in Asia and we've been chatting through WhatsApp ever since we met on Nairaland. You're right because our GB never asked US to continue arguing with those who finds our presentations unappealing! When we preach and you're not OK with what we're saying, we're asked to switch over quickly to the next person because the time left now is shorter than ever! Those who finds our presentations appealing still have a lot to learn so we need not waste time where the message isn't yielding fruits to concentrate all our time, energy and resources on those who are willing.Please this is the instruction given to all members of Jehovah's witnesses worldwide!

unbitchable:
Mtcheeww!!. A housefly thinks herself a bird.

Matthew 7:6,Luke 6:45!

salvation101:
but u didn't say anything about his vulgarity since he has been displaying it here, isn't dat double standard?

Vulgarity? hahaha!!!
Eyes have been watching you for so long to realise you possess the quality, mindset and attitude of vulgarity. You speak and act vulgarly even in instances when you tried to mask it, but of course, in some instances, you couldn't. You went all out and make demons cringe.
You therefore shall not have peace if you don't want peace.

Riofidelio:
He's not in Nigeria,he lives far away in Asia and we've been chatting through WhatsApp ever since we met on Nairaland. You're right because our GB never asked US to continue arguing with those who finds our presentations unappealing! When we preach and you're not OK with what we're saying, we're asked to switch over quickly to the next person because the time left now is shorter than ever! Those who finds our presentations appealing still have a lot to learn so we need not waste time where the message isn't yielding fruits to concentrate all our time, energy and resources on those who are willing.Please this is the instruction given to all members of Jehovah's witnesses worldwide!

yeah but on nairaland, it's a whole different ball game... There is virtually no Jw member dat has defended his faith on dis thread without use of abusive language. Achorladey would av been the only person if not for my recent discovery

unbitchable:
Vulgarity? hahaha!!!
Eyes have been watching you for so long to realise you possess the quality, mindset and attitude of vulgarity. You speak and act vulgarly even in instances when you tried to mask it, but of course, in some instances, you couldn't. You went all out and make demons cringe.
You therefore shall not have peace if you don't want peace.

your cover has been blown boy! It's obvious in ur tone right now sef. Who is asking you for peace? Fool ursef all u want. All eyes on you now

You should equally know that when you make too little of sense and too much of nonsense, when your negative far outweighs your positive, there's bound to be consequences.

unbitchable:
You should equally know that when you make too little of sense and too much of nonsense, when your negative far outweighs your positive, there's bound to be consequences.

you opened this account to stalk me.. I became active on JW thread on d 8 of December 2017..
https://www.nairaland.com/4160125/jesus-god/16 and you replied me for the first time on that thread on 8th December
Dis ur muniker was created on December 29th..

salvation101:
who even knows d goal of removetheturban for creating these threads sef. He don even delete him account. Most of the things I now know about JW folks, I learnt from his threads. The JW we see on d Street do not like arguing but over here on d internet, it's a different ball game. Well, wat would anyone even gain from endless unfruitful debates, u can only silence me with facts and a superior argument and not with intimidation mba, it only changes the debate from logical reasoning to ego battle

Removetheturban's purpose was to correct misconceptions others may have had about his doctrinal beliefs and to discuss the fundamentals of christianity as all of his threads were indicative of this fact. You started well but you erred along the way. Few days ago, you created a thread, "the first of its kind" to malign & demonise jw, a shift from your original path of promoting & defending christianity. Therefore, I urge you t put in your best efforts.
Don't stop enjoy it

salvation101:
you opened this account to stalk me.. I became active on JW thread on d 8 of December 2017..
https://www.nairaland.com/4160125/jesus-god/16 and you replied me for the first time on that thread on 8th December
Dis ur muniker was created on December 29th..

If you are so good at investigating and monitoring yourself, So why allow yourself to waste away on NL?. Go take up a job at the DSS HQ and make yourself useful for once, perhaphs, you might find somewhere to hide.

unbitchable:
Removetheturban's purpose was to correct misconceptions others may have had about his doctrinal beliefs and to discuss the fundamentals of christianity as all of his threads were indicative of this fact. You started well but you erred along the way. Few days ago, you created a thread, "the first of its kind" to malign & demonise jw, a shift from your original path of promoting & defending christianity. Therefore, I urge you t put in your best efforts.
Don't stop enjoy it

Hahahaha. Tot you denied abruptly dat u weren't JW? U av just been caught lying again. Doesn't surprise me though. Ur vulgarity and stalking didn't start after the thread I created but since February. So the vulgarity was also in defense of ur faith right? So u should keep on and show the world the stuff you are made of. U think u can intimate me? U must be joking boy

Who even made you removetheturban mouthpiece? His thread about Jesus being Michael was also about misconception or attack on the doctrine of other? His thread about Jesus not being God nko?

unbitchable:
If you are so good at investigating and monitoring yourself, So why allow yourself to waste away on NL?. Go take up a job at the DSS HQ and make yourself useful for once, perhaphs, you might find somewhere to hide.

if u are so good at vulgarity, u should av dropped religion for rap culture

achorladey:
someone told me, when one is judgemental and dogmatic, it only exhibit smallness of the mind and smallness of spirit and heart. learned or unlearned we want to guide against judgementalism and dogmatism.

I am wondering maybe and I doubt Prophet Isaiah will have the mind to argue up till the extent of becoming judgemental and dogmatic with the scientist of nowadays despite being inspired to write that the earth is circular back then long before the scientist prove the sphericity of the earth.

Isaiah was simply inspired to write, he wrote and moved on with his life.

You still don't make any sense neither did you answer my question. A Catholic believed in john 14 vs 6 , a Protestant also does . but a Catholic still intercede through Mary belived to be the Mother Of God , does it matter ? Will a Protestant agree the Catholic is right ? Would the Catholic clap for the Protestant who doesn't give honor to Mary ?

I need a response.



Also , why Can't Jesus just move on with his life without getting dogmatic and judgemental of the Pharisees and Sadducees party of his day ?

Fyi0:
That's quite an interesting question you got there!
I will be unable to sufficiently exhaust the this topic here online because it will lead us straight to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

However, the long and short of it all is that Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity came to earth in human form, through the womb of the Blesses Virgin Mary.
Therefore Jesus is fully Divine and fully human.
This is not difficult to see or comprehend as the Bible is replete with many passages about this.

I hope you I have clarified you with these few points.

Feel free however to quote me if you do not feel so.

I never asked all this

To get my point clear regarding why am questioning if the Jesus of Christianity is created or not is that, How did angels end up as " Sons of God " ? Does God have a wife ? . ( A)
This will reveal and take us to where am going.

Secondly, Am asking why Jesus was raised with a dishonored body full of scars , And not a glorified body.?

salvation101:
if u are so good at vulgarity, u should av dropped religion for rap culture

Who do we have here talking vulgarity? Is she not the barefaced hypocritical imp whose baggage of vulgarity is heavier than a thousand bags of shekels.. A two-tailed Judas Misscariot whose alternates 102&103 are testament of vulgarity. You are best advised to deactivate and come back as demon101,102 & 103, which aptly befits you.

unbitchable:
Who do we have here talking vulgarity? Is she not the barefaced hypocritical imp whose baggage of vulgarity is heavier than a thousand bags of shekels.. A two-tailed Judas Misscariot whose alternates 102&103 are testament of vulgarity. You are best advised to deactivate and come back as demon101,102 & 103, which aptly befits you.

no amount of grammar u speak now can erase the amount of embarrassment ur stupidity av caused ur society and fellow Jw on dis forum. Even if u deactivate, ur words are being quoted and thousands for years to come will still see them. U just disgraced Jehovah u claim to be a withness for

As a figure defending ur doctrines on this platform, you just proved dat withnessing for Jehovah hasn't erase ur baser traits.. Wat does anyone stand to gain from you then? It's just a waste of time... I can see how dat beastly part is revealing itself in d several other threads u av been commenting on

salvation101:
Who even made you removetheturban mouthpiece? His thread about Jesus being Michael was also about misconception or attack on the doctrine of other? His thread about Jesus not being God nko?

Much as we know, he never created a thread to malign the lifestyles, vices, pervasive opulence,or moneymongering of other religious groups. He strictly speaks of his dotrinal values &convictions. It would have been your wisest decision ever in your lifetime to create a counter thread addressing the issues rather than create a thread to demonize a group for social vices commom to All religious groups.. mumu.