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Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by AtYourCervix: 9:01am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
Nope he can continue. We Christians have someone in us called the Holy Spirit that leads and guides us, he can keep running his mouth but nothing will change undecided
Y'all talk to the same holy spirit that guides you and tells you the truth but y'all can't agree on anything despite being revealed the "truth" to by this spirit. its almost as if every one of you lots believe you have it while not really having it
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by doyinbaby(f): 9:04am On Jun 01, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:

CHRISTIANS SHOULDN'T WEAR GLASSES OR EVEN GO TO THE HOSPITAL..

SHEY GOD IS A MIRACULOUS BEING?

HE CAN ALWAYS DO MAGIC.

THE EXISTENCE OF HOSPITALS (MODERN MEDICINE) IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT YOUR FAVORITE DEITY IS POWERLESS. A WEEK OLD BABY CAN ACHIEVE BETTER THAN ALL YOUR DEITIES PUT TOGETHER.
atheist
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:04am On Jun 01, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:

CHRISTIANS SHOULDN'T DO IVF MAN.. THEY SHOULD HAVE FAITH AND ALLOW THE WILL OF GOD IN THEIR LIVES.



OR EVEN IF THEY DO.. THEY SHOULD BE HONEST ABOUT IT AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS. CHURCHES CAN AT LEAST -ONCE IN A WHILE- SPONSOR COUPLES WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT.

THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THESE THINGS, THEY JUST PREFER TO BE CRIMINALS, LIARS, AND HYPOCRITES.
seun i think this is a good advice. They should be honest about it. It would help cut a lot of risk they go through covering up. Eg false prophets milking them, prophets sleeping with the desperate wives etc.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:06am On Jun 01, 2018
I would have loved to explain something about faith and putting faith to work on this thread. But seeing that this thread wasn't created as an Avenue to seek higher knowledge and given that most participants of this thread lack the requisite ability to grasp the knowledge (epignosis) of God's word I'll give you just what you need considering your current state:

Belief in Jesus christ and confess his finished work on calvary that you might be saved.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:07am On Jun 01, 2018
AtYourCervix:
Y'all talk to the same holy spirit that guides you and tells you the truth but y'all can't agree on anything despite being revealed the "truth" to by this spirit. its almost as if every one of you lots believe you have it while not really having it
spartan117:
I would have loved to explain something about faith and putting faith to work on this thread. But seeing that this thread wasn't created as an Avenue to seek higher knowledge and given that most participants of this thread lack the requisite ability to grasp the knowledge (epignosis) of God's word I'll give you just what you need considering your current state:

Belief in Jesus christ and confess his finished work on calvary that you might be saved.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:08am On Jun 01, 2018
It is all about your faith and how knowledgeable you are in the promises of God. Like I always say, "hospitals is not meant for the new creation."

The new creation have a sound health policy in Christ. If you know and believe it, you will walk in it
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by awesomeJ(m):
Seun:
HardMirror, you are at risk of actually convincing Christians who need IVF not to try it based on your ironic argument. This is quite dangerous.
When there are more informed friends and mentors the Christians take their influence from, who says hardmirror's opinion counts for anything?
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:16am On Jun 01, 2018
wildimagination:
I think Christian shouldnt board a plane when travelling, they should just walk on water,
Christians shouldnt even work, they should just get one burger or pizza from burger kings or McDonald's and make it multiply to a couple of thousand to eat for the next ten years..
Heck!!!! Why don't we just go to war with slight shots like david.
Look, using acetaminophen or sulphodoxamine for ur headaches or fever respectively doesn't mean u doubt God..or God never answered ur prayers... At the end of the day, we all channel our faiths differently...
Some pple go around with annointing oil, and chlothes prayer they call mantle. it's just a channel of faith.

oils don't heal, neither do mantles...the rod of Moses never did wonders,It's just a channel... Channel ur faith which Eva way u like...and if u are one of those that think we are no different from dogs, goats, salmonella and E.coli...and u wanna live ur life on chance as each day comes. That's still fine...because at the end of the day...the sun will still shine on both the righteous and unrighteous...
irrelevant. Children have life and life should be from god not a laboratory process. Do you know what scientists are doing now? It all starts with ivf, then gene editting then mass producing humans in laboratories. Seems you are out of touch with latest developments. Christians doing ivf are abusing the santity of life. Why is it just difficult to trust God and let him give you children. Or has it become too difficult of him that we now have to be helping God? Think and be honest with yourself. Since when has it become difficult for god to give children and yet ivf works when u cant pray anymore
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:17am On Jun 01, 2018
awesomeJ:
When there are more informed friends and mentors the Christians take their influence from, who says hardmirror's opinion for anything?
that is why you have been unable to tell us what your christian mentors think about ivf
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:19am On Jun 01, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
It is all about your faith and how knowledgeable you are in the promises of God. Like I always say, "hospitals is not meant for the new creation."

The new creation have a sound health policy in Christ. If you know and believe it, you will walk in it
if only christians know how devilish ivf is. They think all technology is from god. Ivf is the first step, now scientists are already growing full organisms in the laboratory, editing the genes of embryo. And yet christians are pallying with this demonic creation of children in the laboratory
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:22am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
I would have loved to explain something about faith and putting faith to work on this thread. But seeing that this thread wasn't created as an Avenue to seek higher knowledge and given that most participants of this thread lack the requisite ability to grasp the knowledge (epignosis) of God's word I'll give you just what you need considering your current state:

Belief in Jesus christ and confess his finished work on calvary that you might be saved.
just say you realise you dont have a good argument. Stop being lofty as if you know anything special, if you do you would share it to help those who would open this thread. Varmoos if you have nothing to say about ivf. We aint here to talk about salvation
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:22am On Jun 01, 2018
HardMirror:
if only christians know how devilish ivf is. They think all technology is from god. Ivf is the first step, now scientists are already growing full organisms in the laboratory, editing the genes of embryo. And yet christians are pallying with this demonic creation of children in the laboratory
Your sudden concern about the welfare of Christians is quite laughable undecided
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:24am On Jun 01, 2018
HardMirror:
just say you realise you dont have a good argument. Stop being lofty as if you know anything special, if you do you would share it to help those who would open this thread. Varmoos if you have nothing to say about ivf. We aint here to talk about salvation
Young man like I always tell you, you lack the requisite ability to grasp the epignosis of God's word, attempting to explain these things to you in your current state will be a fruitless endeavor. What you need now in your life is the salvation of your soul.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:25am On Jun 01, 2018
doyinbaby:
Yes......if after 5yrs of trying to have a child and no success do IVF..,...... Christian couples should be advised to adopt.if they have done everything possible to have children and still no success..... I hate seeing Christians in their sixties childless
was abraham not 100years old? Yet he never lost his faith. Tho he tried to help God. Dont try and help god. Without faith no one can please God. Start reading your bible and stop being a half baked christian
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:26am On Jun 01, 2018
HardMirror:
was abraham not 100years old? Yet he never lost his faith. Tho he tried to help God. Dont try and help god. Without faith no one can please God. Start reading your bible and stop being a half baked christian
If only you knew what faith is embarassed
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:28am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
Young man like I always tell you, you lack the requisite ability to grasp the epignosis of God's word. What you need now in your life is the salvation of your soul.
old man, you have nothing sensible to contribute. What you need is proper education. I opened a thread to discuss ivf and faith, you had nothing to say but to preach to me. Thousands of christians are searching of answers if not millions. They are childless and dont know if they should go for ivf and this is all you can say? You think this is about me? Shut up if you have nothing to contribute and stop trying to sound smart without substance to show for it
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:31am On Jun 01, 2018
doyinbaby:
don't Christians wear glasses.,go to hospital for treatment,take antibiotics so how is IVF different
why shld christians be wearing glasses? Did any of the disciples wear glasses? Did abraham wear glasses? Why wear glasses now?
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:31am On Jun 01, 2018
HardMirror:
old man, you have nothing sensible to contribute. What you need is proper education. I opened a thread to discuss ivf and faith, you had nothing to say but to preach to me. Thousands of christians are searching of answers if not millions. They are childless and dont know if they should go for ivf and this is all you can say? You think this is about me? Shut up if you have nothing to contribute and stop trying to sound smart without substance to show for it
Hmm, you've raised valid points. I feel their pain but I know that they have the ability to understand God's Word and gain knowledge (epignosis) once they are properly taught the word of God. But I'm more concerned about you because you lack this ability, what you need now is the salvation of your soul time is running out.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:32am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
Hmm, you've raised valid points. I feel their pain but I know that they have the ability to understand God's Word and gain knowledge (epignosis) once they are properly taught the word of God. But I'm more concerned about you because you lack this ability, what you need now is the salvation of your soul time is running out.
what ability? Ability to lie to myself?
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:34am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
Nope he can continue. We Christians have someone in us called the Holy Spirit that leads and guides us, he can keep running his mouth but nothing will change undecided
lol. What does the holy spirit say about ivf. Stop beating about the bush. You seem to be lost your urself
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 9:37am On Jun 01, 2018
HardMirror:
what ability? Ability to lie to myself?
I'm glad you asked!

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:27

This is the ability I so often speak of, Christ in you the hope of glory!
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by HardMirror(op): 9:39am On Jun 01, 2018
spartan117:
I'm glad you asked!

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:27

This is the ability I so often speak of, Christ in you the hope of glory!
i dont know why you people like derailing threads. Can you address the op or just shut up.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m):
HardMirror:
i dont know why you people like derailing threads. Can you address the op or just shut up.
Before I can address that I must address this first, we're back to the issue of ability to grasp the epignosis of God's word, you need to be saved and receive christ (the Holy Spirit) to dwell inside you, this (christ) is the requisite ability I so often speak of without him the bible will be mere letters to you, you won't be able to find any meaning in it. The bible says "for the letter killeth, but the spirit gives life" If you keep trying to understand God's word without the spirit of the word dwelling in you, you will end up in error.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by Nobody:
HardMirror:
irrelevant. Children have life and life should be from god not a laboratory process. Do you know what scientists are doing now? It all starts with ivf, then gene editting then mass producing humans in laboratories. Seems you are out of touch with latest developments. Christians doing ivf are abusing the santity of life. Why is it just difficult to trust God and let him give you children. Or has it become too difficult of him that we now have to be helping God? Think and be honest with yourself. Since when has it become difficult for god to give children and yet ivf works when u cant pray anymore
In all technology development, there will always be good use and abuse...
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by KakiP(m): 10:21am On Jun 01, 2018
wildimagination:
That's the idea....it's about God...he's too much
keep dwelling in your wildimagination
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by Nobody: 10:32am On Jun 01, 2018
KakiP:
keep dwelling in your wildimagination
Who is this one?
If u don't have constructive argument..abeg go and sleep....don't come and drop points from monikers drawn from movie titles and funny quotes
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by AtYourCervix: 10:39am On Jun 01, 2018
[quote author=spartan117 post=68074912][/quote]as expected
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by spartan117(m): 10:42am On Jun 01, 2018
AtYourCervix:
as expected
Nothing less is expected from someone who has christ dwelling in him than the truth wink
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by hammer6F: 10:50am On Jun 01, 2018
Seun:
HardMirror, you are at risk of actually convincing Christians who need IVF not to try it based on your ironic argument. This is quite dangerous.
IF WAT I SAID IS NOT TRUE, Y DOES YOUR MOD FEEL THE NEED TO SILENCE IT?

HE SILENCE IT BECOS IT IS THE TRUTH.

DINO IS A CHRISTIAN ND THAT MAKES HIS MATTER WORST IN BUHARI EYE.

BUHARI ACTUALLY WANTED TO KILL HIM.
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by Evangkatsoulis: 10:52am On Jun 01, 2018
CAPSLOCKED:

CHRISTIANS SHOULDN'T DO IVF MAN.. THEY SHOULD HAVE FAITH AND ALLOW THE WILL OF GOD IN THEIR LIVES.



OR EVEN IF THEY DO.. THEY SHOULD BE HONEST ABOUT IT AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS. CHURCHES CAN AT LEAST -ONCE IN A WHILE- SPONSOR COUPLES WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT.

THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THESE THINGS, THEY JUST PREFER TO BE CRIMINALS, LIARS, AND HYPOCRITES.
And if the will of god in their life is to do IVF?
Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by vaxx: 11:19am On Jun 01, 2018
Lol , if you want you prayer answer , you should be able to apply this mathematical equation... This apply to the athiest only..

Re: Is It Right For Christian Couples To Do IVF If Prayers Are Not Working? by Uyi168: 12:08pm On Jun 01, 2018
Hardmirror,ur sig says it all..if prayers were effectective,ambulances would have been driving sick people to churches..
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