obaaderemi:
Sonny, it doesn't quite work that way. This is from a Little Indian source:

https://www.tuko.co.ke/273976-richest-county-kenya-2017-2018.html

Nairobi
It’s impossible to give a full list of richest
counties in Kenya without mentioning
Nairobi. Notably, this is the richest
county in Kenya 2018. Despite having a
large population and a revenue of about
sh 1.5 billion, Nairobi has a low GDP per
capita of $1,790 .

I have exposed them on this before and they never gave me a response.
For God sake, Lagos has a higher GDP per capital than the rest of Nigeria. Rivers state (PH) also has too and definitely so does Abuja.
This clearly tells that there are more opportunities in such places.

Since over a year ago, I was shocked when I discovered that Nairobi's income per capital is lower than other counties. It doesn't make any sense.

This speaks volumes of the large population of wretched people all over Nairobi who are highly concentrated in the slums and the concentration camp houses.

This is why only a fool takes a city like Nairobi serious. The place is just so fake.

I actually watched a CNN documentary of a Nairobi bus driver, in spite of all the sky scrappers concentrated in one part of Nairobi, the city did not still look fascinating.. Pictures can be very deceiving.
In the documentary, I could see patchy roads all over the city.

rvp2018:
Pray do tell us the correct pronunciation.. RUN as I know is pronounced more as ran.. with past tense RAN.. more like REN

These guys though,even simple grammatical issues like present,past and future tense is a problem to them to understand.You wonder how they survived in their primary education stages.

gallivant:
Harare Zimbabwe looks better than Abuja.

Kigali rwanda too.

gallivant:


Lusaka Zambia

In Africa Nairobi is only rivalled by Cape town,Johannesburg,Cairo,Lagos and Rabat.

Not Lusaka Zambia.

jaycent:
Here is the Abuja? Even your Nairobi can't stand Abuja!

Am in Nairobi but I admit that Abuja is also a pretty beautiful city just like Nairobi.

obaaderemi:
That's why they dare not post their pictures here. And yes HIV prevalence is high there. Kisumu has a HIV prevalence of about 25%! But that doesn't account for the slim figures of most Kenyans. I think that's more about their gene,especially the kalenjins and lunjes.

Hahaha, very true..
Since we started this thread, many Nigerians have shown themselves. Only one Kenyan has actually showed himself. The remaining skinny sissies like TashaMaria & KiberaWalker (aka TayserMahiri & NairobiWalker) cannot dare to show themselves...

You know, I love the west african genes which is more bulky, with a better musculature... Can't you see how our black american descendants look like?

West Africans like the Hausa-fulanis who tend to be skinnier just like East africans tend to have a very good looking face to cover up.

Kenyans tend to have neither. Lol, neither face nor stature

Though I know that Kenyan Kalenjins are the ones who tend to look very skinny. The Kikuyus tend to look better but they are too short.

And yet we have a well known rugby team. We are a nation of 42 tribes!

nwoke37:


No mind these Kenyans sha... Abuja is already one of the most beautiful cities in Africa and it's just getting started... Imagine 30 years from now

The problem with Kenyans is that they think that the beauty of a city lies with the number of highrises it has.

How can anyone take a place like Nairobi serious when there are slums and concentration camp houses in every corner of the city?

Most European cities do not have any highrises, yet they are still ranked as the most beautiful in the world.

Thank you for doing justice to Abuja. Abuja is too neat, well planned and structured to compare Nairobi.

Take a look at the kind of low income houses that litter the length and breadth of the Nairobi! Yet they are so expensive.
Mind you, these are not even the slums oh.
Thousands of people living in one building, and they want to compare Nairobi to Abuja?

Daejoyoung:

Are you Kidding me? ln all of Africa, no country comes close to Naija when it comes to architecture.

The complete confidence of the totally ignorant! You have jokes. Kikuyu's say he who has never left home thinks his mum is the best cook.
Those banal designs are only impressive to Dangotelanders,trust me!

wait until abuja is ranked by serious city índices as anything but one of worst place to live before comparing which ranks regularly tops outside rsa

nwoke37:


Abuja is like first world inside a 3rd world country.. In upcoming years Abuja might even dust Capetown

Abuja should first try to catch up to cities like Bloemfontein.

sufferNsmiling:
see the real abuja

See your beautiful Nairobi

sufferNsmiling:
see the real abuja

Your wonderful Nairobi

sufferNsmiling:
see the real abuja

Aggrieved IPOD

rvp20182:
Abuja is slightly better than Lagos - in the worst cities to live in. You'll only see the same picture of the same places..but dig deeper..and youll find a city that lack the basic infrastructure.
Below are The top 15 worst cities to live in Africa 2018. From least worst (15) to worst (1)
15. Harare, Zimbabwe
14. Lagos, Nigeria
13. Abuja, Nigeria
12. Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso
11. Antananarivo, Madagascar
10. Tripoli, Libya
9. Niamey, Niger
8. Bamako, Mali
7. Nouakchott, Mauritania
6. Conakry, Guinea Republic
5. Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo
4. Brazzaville, Congo
3. N’Djamena Chad
2. Khartoum Sudan
1. Bangui Central African Republic

Abuja has good infrastructure, much better than Lagos. There's piped water,underground sewage,beautiful wide roads, etc.. everything you would expect to find in a modern city( i also heard the city also has almost 24 hour supply of power).... The problem with Abuja is that it's closer to the North, Boko Haram has already attacked it previously.. so there's a security threat. Also before Abuja was built, villagers used to live on that land.. so what you'll find now is that on the outskirts of Abuja, you have villagers who are poor and live in tenement houses that hardly have facilities like toilets, piped water, tarred roads, electricity.

Abuja is pretty expensive.. It's a city for the rich, even some middle class Nigerians can't afford housing in the city..
Even Aljazeera mentioned Abuja as one of the most modern cities in Africa

Here's the article by Aljazeera about Abuja: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/nigeria-clearing-locals-abuja-capital-180408072143042.html

I know - Abacha did spend billion of dollars there - mostly to escape coup down south in Lagos - and it appears apart from keeping the power stranglehold for northern muslims - Abuja which was suppose to solve Lagos mess is not any better. Obviously for a city to consistently appear among-st the worst cities in Africa and World..something clearly is wrong.

I do't know enough about Abuja but my theory is ever since Abancha invested there - the city has struggled to maintain the infrastructure & it's probably has crumbled.

And please expensive city doesn't make it MONACO or Switzerland. The most expensive city I Know of include the likes of JUBA where a tent can cost of lots of dollars - and list of many war torn cities like those.

Why should ABUJA be expensive - it got nothing going for it - apart from being federal capital of Nigeria? It has no oil nor industry no tourist resorts - it not cape town or monaco or name it. It expensive because LEGO city like those are by nature non sustainable - Nigeria should have sorted LAGOS issues - rather than running away from problems - only to spend lots of billion dollars and have that brand new city ranked as worse as LAGO

nwoke37:


Abuja has good infrastructure, much better than Lagos. There's piped water,underground sewage,beautiful wide roads, etc.. everything you would expect to find in a modern city( i also heard the city also has almost 24 hour supply of power).... The problem with Abuja is that it's closer to the North, Boko Haram has already attacked it previously.. so there's a security threat. Also before Abuja was built, villagers used to live on that land.. so what you'll find now is that on the outskirts of Abuja, you have villagers who are poor and live in tenement houses that hardly have facilities like toilets, piped water, tarred roads, electricity.

Abuja is pretty expensive.. It's a city for the rich, even some middle class Nigerians can't afford housing in the city..
Even Aljazeera mentioned Abuja as one of the most modern cities in Africa

Here's the article by Aljazeera about Abuja: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/nigeria-clearing-locals-abuja-capital-180408072143042.html

rvp20182:
I know - Abacha did spend billion of dollars there - mostly to escape coup down south in Lagos - and it appears apart from keeping the power stranglehold for northern muslims - Abuja which was suppose to solve Lagos mess is not any better. Obviously for a city to consistently appear among-st the worst cities in Africa and World..something clearly is wrong.

I do't know enough about Abuja but my theory is ever since Abancha invested there - the city has struggled to maintain the infrastructure & it's probably has crumbled.

did you read the article?
Abuja is much much much better than Lagos

The infrastructure hasn't crumbled yet.. The city is just getting started.. there's a whole lot more infrastructure to be built

Abuja doesn't have a soul yet like Lagos.. It's a place i would advice retirees to go... Abuja is much slower than Lagos

Why is it rank as lowly as Lagos. You can pick any reputable city ranking and it sits down there comfortably as one worst city. We can add one more adjective- most expensively built worse city. How did you guys manage to achieve that - build a new EKO CITY or is Centenary City that everyone agree is as worse as JUBA or BANGUI . Just how do you guys manage to pull these things!!

nwoke37:
The infrastructure hasn't crumbled yet.. The city is just getting started.. there's a whole lot more infrastructure to be built

Abuja doesn't have a soul yet like Lagos.. It's a place i would advice retirees to go... Abuja is much slower than Lagos

rvp20182:
I know - Abacha did spend billion of dollars there - mostly to escape coup down south in Lagos - and it appears apart from keeping the power stranglehold for northern muslims - Abuja which was suppose to solve Lagos mess is not any better. Obviously for a city to consistently appear among-st the worst cities in Africa and World..something clearly is wrong.

I do't know enough about Abuja but my theory is ever since Abancha invested there - the city has struggled to maintain the infrastructure & it's probably has crumbled.

And please expensive city doesn't make it MONACO or Switzerland. The most expensive city I Know of include the likes of JUBA where a tent can cost of lots of dollars - and list of many war torn cities like those.

Why should ABUJA be expensive - it got nothing going for it - apart from being federal capital of Nigeria? It has no oil nor industry no tourist resorts - it not cape town or monaco or name it. It expensive because LEGO city like those are by nature non sustainable - Nigeria should have sorted LAGOS issues - rather than running away from problems - only to spend lots of billion dollars and have that brand new city ranked as worse as LAGO

Stop saying rubbish/bant with so much audacity Abacha as nothing to do with Abuja

rvp20182:
Why is it rank as lowly as Lagos. You can pick any reputable city ranking and it sits down there comfortably as one worst city. We can add one more adjective- most expensively built worse city. How did you guys manage to achieve that - build a new EKO CITY or is Centenary City that everyone agree is as worse as JUBA or BANGUI . Just how do you guys manage to pull these things!!

From what I've seen Abuja is ranked low because of terrorism and crime (Boko Haram) and not infrastructure like Lagos. It also seems ranking also includes the villages on the outskirts of Abuja

The city suffers from high crime rates from intercommunal violence. The British Foreign Office tells travelers: "You could get kidnapped or find yourself caught up in a terrorist or other violent incident."

http://www.businessinsider.com/mercers-quality-of-living-index-worst-cities-2016-3#no-20-lagos-nigeria--the-countrys-largest-city-battles-environmental-threats-such-as-riptides-annually-citizens-are-also-under-continual-threats-to-their-personal-safety-including-the-kidnapping-of-students-and-murder-10

Eko Atlantic or even Dubai could be built and be beautiful but have high terrorism and crime rates and still be rated as among the worst livable cities

rvp20182

They are many indicators - that make ABUJA - one worst cities - those are just the highlight. Not having 24-7 electricity is one of them. Now you're building new cities - that will have the same fate - you guys are doomed. Sort the basics.

nwoke37:


From what I've seen Abuja is ranked low because of terrorism and crime (Boko Haram) and not infrastructure like Lagos. It also seems ranking also includes the villages on the outskirts of Abuja


http://www.businessinsider.com/mercers-quality-of-living-index-worst-cities-2016-3#no-20-lagos-nigeria--the-countrys-largest-city-battles-environmental-threats-such-as-riptides-annually-citizens-are-also-under-continual-threats-to-their-personal-safety-including-the-kidnapping-of-students-and-murder-10

That make sense - but why would Dubai spend billion of dollars building a new city - without working on the security of the city. Or you think a city is concrete ugly jungle I see in most of Nigeria? You talk terrorism - like it cannot be defeated - look at Nairobi - we had a lot of that - but we invested more than 150M dollars (or around 500B NAIRA!!) in CCTV & such technology everywhere - number plate recognition - chinese gave us latest phone tracking & secure radio communication etc - now terrorism or kidnapping in Nairobi has reduce to nearly zero.

Nairobi & Mombasa is now under serious camera surveillance...we have managed to foil so many attacks from Alshabab. These are intelligent cameras..with facial recognition...number plate recognition...and we continue to make heavy investment in security.

Why are you spending 1.6 billion dollars on military...how is that suppose to provide security to 200M people. Poor Kenya without oil is spending 1B on the army.We spend another 2B plus on the police.

Boko Haram is home-grown terror - why hasn't nigeria defeated those idiots? With you oil - you cannot even beat Uganda - who have latest fighter jets - SUkhois!

nwoke37:
Eko Atlantic or even Dubai could be built and be beautiful but have high terrorism and crime rates and still be rated as among the worst livable cities

rvp20182

rvp20182:
That make sense - but why would Dubai spend billion of dollars building a new city - without working on the security of the city. Or you think a city is concrete ugly jungle I see in most of Nigeria? You talk terrorism - like it cannot be defeated - look at Nairobi - we had a lot of that - but we invested more than 150M dollars (or around 500B NAIRA!!) in CCTV & such technology everywhere - number plate recognition - chinese gave us latest phone tracking & secure radio communication etc - now terrorism or kidnapping in Nairobi has reduce to nearly zero.

Nairobi & Mombasa is one under serious camera surveillance...we have managed to foil so many attacks from Alshabab.

Why are you spending 1.6 billion dollars on military...how is that suppose to provide security to 200M people. Poor Kenya without oil is spending 1B on the army.We spend another 2B plus on the police.

Boko Haram is home-grown terror - why hasn't nigeria defeated those idiots? With you oil - you cannot even beat Uganda - who have latest fighter jets - SUkhois!

corruption is a major part to why Boko Haram hasn't been defeated. The president gave $2 billion dollars for buying of weapons and such to the army but they squandered it, they each took their own share..
I even heard the military gives weapons to Boko Haram

rvp20182:
That make sense - but why would Dubai spend billion of dollars building a new city - without working on the security of the city. Or you think a city is concrete ugly jungle I see in most of Nigeria? You talk terrorism - like it cannot be defeated - look at Nairobi - we had a lot of that - but we invested more than 150M dollars (or around 500B NAIRA!!) in CCTV & such technology everywhere - number plate recognition - chinese gave us latest phone tracking & secure radio communication etc - now terrorism or kidnapping in Nairobi has reduce to nearly zero.

Nairobi & Mombasa is now under serious camera surveillance...we have managed to foil so many attacks from Alshabab. These are intelligent cameras..with facial recognition...number plate recognition...and we continue to make heavy investment in security.

Why are you spending 1.6 billion dollars on military...how is that suppose to provide security to 200M people. Poor Kenya without oil is spending 1B on the army.We spend another 2B plus on the police.

Boko Haram is home-grown terror - why hasn't nigeria defeated those idiots? With you oil - you cannot even beat Uganda - who have latest fighter jets - SUkhois!

Another issue you forgot is the fulani herdsmen... cows are becoming more valuubale than human lives.. And the president isn't doing anything about it, because he's fulani

The security infrastructure of Nigeria is a complete mess

Then something need to give. Kenya we got corruption - but it the usual 5-10% - not Nigeria 100%. We have nearly defeated alshabab - apart from remote places. We long dealt with kidnapping. The technology to deal with some of these issues are now very cheap - in kenya rather than get 4G licence fee from Safaricom - we told them to give to Huawei - who deployed intelligent cameras & tech all over Nairobi & Mombasa - that make crimes in Nairobi very easy to detect and deter....now nearly 4yrs after west gate....we have had lots of calm...from when grenades exploded daily...to now..when it not happened in nearly 4yrs.

Now you build EKo City - and there is no electricity, no security, no water, no sewage, there is kidnapping, there is terror, there is okada and yellow ugly shared taxis (dafno) - and then it again like ABUJA - get the dubious rank as one worst cities to live in . Then lets build another city....as new one decay!

Sort the basics - electricity 24-7 - that nearly every country should deal with!

nwoke37:

corruption is a major part to why Boko Haram hasn't been defeated. The president gave $2 billion dollars for buying of weapons and such to the army but they squandered it, they each took their own share..
I even heard the military gives weapons to Boko Haram

Is Kenya industrilizng?
what percentage does manufacturing contribute to Kenya's gdp?

rvp20182:
Then something need to give. Kenya we got corruption - but it the usual 5-10% - not Nigeria 100%. We have nearly defeated alshabab - apart from remote places. We long dealt with kidnapping. The technology to deal with some of these issues are now very cheap - in kenya rather than get 4G licence fee from Safaricom - we told them to give to Huawei - who deployed intelligent cameras & tech all over Nairobi & Mombasa - that make crimes in Nairobi very easy to detect and deter....now nearly 4yrs after west gate....we have had lots of calm...from when grenades exploded daily...to now..when it not happened in nearly 4yrs.

Now you build EKo City - and there is no electricity, no security, no water, no sewage, there is kidnapping, there is terror, there is okada and yellow ugly shared taxis (dafno) - and then it again like ABUJA - get the dubious rank as one worst cities to live in . Then lets build another city....as new one decay!

Sort the basics - electricity 24-7 - that nearly every country should deal with!

Abuja has a central sewage system and piped water... that's not a major issue in Abuja.... Other cities in Nigeria though lack these facilties..

Eko Atlanitc and Centenary city are planned to have 24/7 power.. they're building power plants there. They both have central sewage system and piped water.. i though you saw the pics of underground pipes being laid in eko Atlantic...

Plus these projects are handled and financed by the private sector and not the government unlike tatu city

Industry/Manufacturing has since independence average around 10% - sometimes rising as high as 17% - and now it low as 8%. It struggling now - unlike say Ethiopia - who have a lot going for them - Kenya gov is working on manufacturing as it top 4 priority the next 5yrs - the idea is to raise it share of contribution to 20%. It going to be tough because we don't have Ethiopean fundementals ...really cheap labout (half kenya)...real cheap power (about 3-4 times cheaper)...and gov willing to dole out incentives..tax holidays/ free land/... so we will not probably attrracting low cost manufacturing...but we have huge consumer market...very good infrastructure & have dealt with bureaucratic bottleneck...so in my estimation we will probably still however around 10% of GDP - which isn't bad - because it has kept pace with overall gpd growth.

Ethiopia have very strong fundamentals to attract low cost export-oriented manufacturing from China. Kenya will struggle ...but we can still hack it..coz apart from power & labour & tax incentive...we beat Ethiopia in others stuff like logistics/domestic consumer market/more productive labour market.

nwoke37:
Is Kenya industrilizng?
what percentage does manufacturing contribute to Kenya's gdp?

Will EKO City also handles it police & military Seriously the country need to be fixed - not band aids. Tatus is private. Konza is gov.

nwoke37:

Abuja has a central sewage system and piped water... that's not a major issue in Abuja.... Other cities in Nigeria though lack these facilties..

Eko Atlanitc and Centenary city are planned to have 24/7 power.. they're building power plants there. They both have central sewage system and piped water.. i though you saw the pics of underground pipes being laid in eko Atlantic...

Plus these projects are handled and financed by the private sector and not the government unlike tatu city