melody91:
lol ..I won't be forced to believe all they teach in your church is how to lie, mislead people with baseless facts,hypocrisy among others...you're just a bloody liar ...
proofs to where Seun was threatened or keep shut till eternity....

Different mouths share the same confession...

ButterflyLeo, the Christian Pinocchio.

Some sad fellow up there seeks relevance. Well, as proof has been provided which I was unwittingly called a liar for, then shame on them

Not surprised that all they do is pop up and disappear all over nairaland not really saying anything but their usual ramblings of imprudence with some form of self deception that they just laid a smart egg.

How sad.

Well I do know that chickens lay eggs so they should go figure.

Butterflyleo:




Now I know that you are beyond rëtãrded.

History never lies and here is why below.


.


Re – why seun may forbid the discussion of islam on Nairaland
:


Seuns words himself



The trigger that made all that above happen




Go back and format your head.

you're the retard here...the comments you quoted speaks of nothing but your intolerances ,your hatred towards other people's believe, you take delight in bad mouthing others..isn't there a part in your bible that says thou shall not judge? .. you're a very good example of the cankerous Christians mentioned in one of the posts..gullible grass eaters

enilove:


You don't know the true meaning of hypocrisy , that us your problem.

You opened a thread based on false allegation and lies against the Christians which should have been directed at the Muslims who you are soliciting for. Is that not hypocrisy ?

Times unnumbered we have complained about this unfairness against we Christians in the sense that you Muslims can come here and scandalise our religion but we don't have such privileges.

How does my telling you the truth translate to hypocrisy ?

I don't blame you , since that was how Islam started by discrediting our Bible , why won't you be expecting us to keep quiet whenever your Muslim mates come here to say rubbish against our religion , whereas your Islam is nothing but idolatry.

its obvious you're half baked literate...do you actually know what Idolatry means?
Idolatry is literally the worship of images( your white man Jesus pictures and statues comes to mind), but it is most
profitably interpreted with the more general meaning of
worshipping dead things of any kind, including treating
certain forms of religious life as more essential than God
whom they should point to( calling on to your Jesus instead of God)..still you can't point out to any proof of all that you accused up there.. shame on you

melody91:
its obvious you're half baked literate...do you actually know what Idolatry means?
Idolatry is literally the worship of images( your white man Jesus pictures and statues comes to mind), but it is most
profitably interpreted with the more general meaning of
worshipping dead things of any kind, including treating
certain forms of religious life as more essential than God
whom they should point to( calling on to your Jesus instead of God)..still you can't point out to any proof of all that you accused up there.. shame on you

Your interpretation of idolatry is partially correct , which makes the insults in your above post your lot.

Whether you believe it or not , all Muslims are spiritual illiterates . You are committing adolatry 5 times a day in addition to that you which you commit on hajj . Think about these :

1... You all bow 5 times to a cubicle house clothed in black every day. All the Mosques in the world are built facing kabaah which was built by idol worshipers and used for idolatry , for more than 800 years , b4 Muhammad came and hijacked it for Islam.

2... It is written and known that the ritual to "tawaf" the kabaah and the tawaf BTW Safa and Marwa mountains where practiced by the pre-Islamic pagans. This is practiced now by the Muslims whenever they are on hadj.
Why circumventing a building 7 times unless there is an idol inside it.

3... Is it not idolatry to bow to a black stone ( meteorites)which was said to have falling from the sky ? This very black stone was worshipped by the pagans in Mecca and now planted on the wall of the kabaah for Muslims to bow to and kiss , as Muhammad did.

4... The Bible warns us not to worship the heavenly objects like the stars , moon and sun. There are many archeological facts showing caved images with the star and the half moon on them , which idolaters bow to as part of their religion.
Why are all the mosques in the world having this star and moon symbols ?
Why do they look for the moon to observe their holidays ?

5... The casting of stones or stoning the devil was also done by the preIslamic pagans likewise Muslims .

6.... The idolaters used to worship their god by the name "Allah" which is the same with Allat , the goddess , that made part of the 360 idols around the kabaah .

These were carryovers of the idol worshiping. Muhammad only repackaged the idolatry of his ancestors by retaining many aspects of the pagan religion.

These are references :

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:
I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 22:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Urwa:
I said to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, and I was at that time a young boy, "How do you interpret the Statement of Allah:

"Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah."

So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj to the House of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them. In my opinion it is not sinful for one not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." 'Aisha said, "Your interpretation is wrong for as you say, the Verse should have been: "So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj or Umra to the House, not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.' This Verse was revealed in connection with the Ansar who (during the Pre-Islamic Period) used to visit Manat (i.e. an idol) after assuming their Ihram, and it was situated near Qudaid (i.e. a place at Mecca), and they used to regard it sinful to ambulate between Safa and Marwa after embracing Islam. When Islam came, they asked Allah's Apostle about it, whereupon Allah revealed:--

"Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158)

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:

Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Deuteronomy 17:2-3 KJV
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, [3] And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;..…..

Most gospel churches don't bow to the image of Jesus or Mary.You can't even find it in the the churches. Calling Jesus "my Lord and my God " is scriptural and not idolatry.

The Bible affirms that by knowledge shall the righteous be delivered and lack of it is a folly which eventually kills.

melody91:
you're the retard here...the comments you quoted speaks of nothing but your intolerances ,your hatred towards other people's believe, you take delight in bad mouthing others..isn't there a part in your bible that says thou shall not judge? .. you're a very good example of the cankerous Christians mentioned in one of the posts.. gullible grass eaters

Lmao.

Oga Leo, just find another thread to go troll. This one na bad market.

Christian Pinocchio..

enilove:



Some Christians are also guilty of this because the yielded to the devil but not all Christians are worshipping idols.

that's the hypocrisy right there....why can't we just judge all Christians based on those Christians you mentioned up there?..I'm not interested in branding your believes or religion awful like you're doing with the junk epistles...you preach what you don't do..you preach tolerance but quick to badmouth others who's ideas are different from yours, you preach not to judge others but you're a Master at judging people ..you preach against hypocrisy but you do that often(when some of you goes the wrong way ..you're quick to push them away from your religion, they should be hold responsible for there deeds,isn't that what you ppl say? but if its the other way round.. all Muslims must pay for it.
"live and let live"
eat your grasses in peace and let Muslims do there bowing in peace

Butterflyleo
Even though there might be some very few truth in what you said. I think you have mixed some things up. On Islam for Muslim section there are two major events that happened and somehow you are mixing the two.

The first was creation of the Islam for Muslim thread. Though I wasn't active on nairaland when it happened but I heard beer parlor rumor of se.un was issued fatwa and a threat to his life made him create a separate section for Muslims.....this was never confirmed as he never denied it nor affirm it. I believe you are a reasonable person and taking rumoured gossip as fact is beneath you

The second was the creation of oat on Muslim threads. I witnessed this and please bear it in mind that Muslims never asked se.un to place oat on our threads.
There are some events that eventually lead to this.
It so happened that many Christians derived joy in insulting all that the Muslims hold dear.....As a result strict rules and regulations were placed to avoid chaos....It happened that while the Christian mods were too flexible with implementing the rules by punishing offenders, the then Muslim mod was far from that. He endured that once you break the rules , he places ban on you that ranges from month to years.(quiet commendable I must say). During this era, we had some peace as many knew not to mess up in the Islam section.

However some aggrieved parties complained to se.un about the ban and to the dismay of the Muslims, their topica no longer grace the fp.when we asked for reason from such actions, he replied that it's safer he doesn't put our topics on fp so the bigots can avoid our topics......but it still wasn't enough as fp or not, they would always misbehave. He actually said the Muslim mods agreed to his decision which they denied. So Muslims further complained to se.un to return their topics back to fp as punishing those offended was the wrong way to do things.
The height of it all was one idiot went to Islam thread and posted pornographic pictures there...
After much consideration and. Suggestions were made t him from Muslims, se.un said that he would think of what to do....
Our topics returned to fp thereafter the oat was placed.....

I have to admit that to some extent the oat has helped kicked out some bigots away from Islam section but there are actually those who would still falsely take oat just to insult Muhammad (pbuh) or Allah or anything about islam
...
@melody91
After the oat was placed many Muslims especially those who knew of what transpired wouldhardly go to the religion section just to cause trouble.

Years passed. And many more users joined nairaland who saw the oat an injustice without knowing what led to it. And at such they would insult Muslims as if the oat was placed by them. Some New Muslims on nairaland in their quest to revenge would gladly go to their threads and return the favour.

But let's be honest here and I believe athiest or non muslim and non Christians can attest to the fact that when it comes to nairaland posts, Christians are much more intolerant. Even posts that talk about zakat (a major pillar of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with Christians) you would see them either talking about how Jesus is lord and God and how Muslims are doomed to hell...the more foolish ones will just insult the Muslims, or the prophet or even Allah.
Honestly if we are to talk about hate messages against either religion, Christians top.

@melody91
You should know that Muslims are not all innocent here as there are those who stillvery few who go to their section to actually reciprocate what was done to them or Just cause trouble without provocation

@anas09
You are actually one of the major trouble makers..... however the oat helped put you in check.

Let.me categorically state that Muslims are not against Christians agitating for oat placed on their threads...if that's what you want please go to se.un and Relate your concerns.....i.am sure if you guys are united on that demand, he might listen to you.

But asking Muslims to take it upon themselves to help you realise your dream is dishonest and asking them to remove the oat as if they are the admins is a stupid thing to ask.
I hope I have been able to clear some misconceptions on this issue

udatso:
Butterflyleo
Even though there might be some very few truth in what you said. I think you have mixed some things up. On Islam for Muslim section there are two major events that happened and somehow you are mixing the two.

The first was creation of the Islam for Muslim thread. Though I wasn't active on nairaland when it happened but I heard beer parlor rumor of se.un was issued fatwa and a threat to his life made him create a separate section for Muslims.....this was never confirmed as he never denied it nor affirm it. I believe you are a reasonable person and taking rumoured gossip as fact is beneath you

The second was the creation of oat on Muslim threads. I witnessed this and please bear it in mind that Muslims never asked se.un to place oat on our threads.
There are some events that eventually lead to this.
It so happened that many Christians derived joy in insulting all that the Muslims hold dear.....As a result strict rules and regulations were placed to avoid chaos....It happened that while the Christian mods were too flexible with implementing the rules by punishing offenders, the then Muslim mod was far from that. He endured that once you break the rules , he places ban on you that ranges from month to years.(quiet commendable I must say). During this era, we had some peace as many knew not to mess up in the Islam section.

However some aggrieved parties complained to se.un about the ban and to the dismay of the Muslims, their topica no longer grace the fp.when we asked for reason from such actions, he replied that it's safer he doesn't put our topics on fp so the bigots can avoid our topics......but it still wasn't enough as fp or not, they would always misbehave. He actually said the Muslim mods agreed to his decision which they denied. So Muslims further complained to se.un to return their topics back to fp as punishing those offended was the wrong way to do things.
The height of it all was one idiot went to Islam thread and posted pornographic pictures there...
After much consideration and. Suggestions were made t him from Muslims, se.un said that he would think of what to do....
Our topics returned to fp thereafter the oat was placed.....

I have to admit that to some extent the oat has helped kicked out some bigots away from Islam section but there are actually those who would still falsely take oat just to insult Muhammad (pbuh) or Allah or anything about islam
...
@melody91
After the oat was placed many Muslims especially those who knew of what transpired wouldhardly go to the religion section just to cause trouble.

Years passed. And many more users joined nairaland who saw the oat an injustice without knowing what led to it. And at such they would insult Muslims as if the oat was placed by them. Some New Muslims on nairaland in their quest to revenge would gladly go to their threads and return the favour.

But let's be honest here and I believe athiest or non muslim and non Christians can attest to the fact that when it comes to nairaland posts, Christians are much more intolerant. Even posts that talk about zakat (a major pillar of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with Christians) you would see them either talking about how Jesus is lord and God and how Muslims are doomed to hell...the more foolish ones will just insult the Muslims, or the prophet or even Allah.
Honestly if we are to talk about hate messages against either religion, Christians top.

@melody91
You should know that Muslims are not all innocent here as there are those who stillvery few who go to their section to actually reciprocate what was done to them or Just cause trouble without provocation

@anas09
You are actually one of the major trouble makers..... however the oat helped put you in check.

Let.me categorically state that Muslims are not against Christians agitating for oat placed on their threads...if that's what you want please go to se.un and Relate your concerns.....i.am sure if you guys are united on that demand, he might listen to you.

But asking Muslims to take it upon themselves to help you realise your dream is dishonest and asking them to remove the oat as if they are the admins is a stupid thing to ask.
I hope I have been able to clear some misconceptions on this issue

wow...may God bless you for this sir, I really appreciate your input.

melody91:
wow...may God bless you for this sir, I really appreciate your input.

Ameen and you too sir

udatso:
Butterflyleo
Even though there might be some very few truth in what you said. I think you have mixed some things up. On Islam for Muslim section there are two major events that happened and somehow you are mixing the two.

The first was creation of the Islam for Muslim thread. Though I wasn't active on nairaland when it happened but I heard beer parlor rumor of se.un was issued fatwa and a threat to his life made him create a separate section for Muslims.....this was never confirmed as he never denied it nor affirm it. I believe you are a reasonable person and taking rumoured gossip as fact is beneath you

The second was the creation of oat on Muslim threads. I witnessed this and please bear it in mind that Muslims never asked se.un to place oat on our threads.
There are some events that eventually lead to this.
It so happened that many Christians derived joy in insulting all that the Muslims hold dear.....As a result strict rules and regulations were placed to avoid chaos....It happened that while the Christian mods were too flexible with implementing the rules by punishing offenders, the then Muslim mod was far from that. He endured that once you break the rules , he places ban on you that ranges from month to years.(quiet commendable I must say). During this era, we had some peace as many knew not to mess up in the Islam section.

However some aggrieved parties complained to se.un about the ban and to the dismay of the Muslims, their topica no longer grace the fp.when we asked for reason from such actions, he replied that it's safer he doesn't put our topics on fp so the bigots can avoid our topics......but it still wasn't enough as fp or not, they would always misbehave. He actually said the Muslim mods agreed to his decision which they denied. So Muslims further complained to se.un to return their topics back to fp as punishing those offended was the wrong way to do things.
The height of it all was one idiot went to Islam thread and posted pornographic pictures there...
After much consideration and. Suggestions were made t him from Muslims, se.un said that he would think of what to do....
Our topics returned to fp thereafter the oat was placed.....

I have to admit that to some extent the oat has helped kicked out some bigots away from Islam section but there are actually those who would still falsely take oat just to insult Muhammad (pbuh) or Allah or anything about islam
...
@melody91
After the oat was placed many Muslims especially those who knew of what transpired wouldhardly go to the religion section just to cause trouble.

Years passed. And many more users joined nairaland who saw the oat an injustice without knowing what led to it. And at such they would insult Muslims as if the oat was placed by them. Some New Muslims on nairaland in their quest to revenge would gladly go to their threads and return the favour.

But let's be honest here and I believe athiest or non muslim and non Christians can attest to the fact that when it comes to nairaland posts, Christians are much more intolerant. Even posts that talk about zakat (a major pillar of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with Christians) you would see them either talking about how Jesus is lord and God and how Muslims are doomed to hell...the more foolish ones will just insult the Muslims, or the prophet or even Allah.
Honestly if we are to talk about hate messages against either religion, Christians top.

@melody91
You should know that Muslims are not all innocent here as there are those who stillvery few who go to their section to actually reciprocate what was done to them or Just cause trouble without provocation

@anas09
You are actually one of the major trouble makers..... however the oat helped put you in check.

Let.me categorically state that Muslims are not against Christians agitating for oat placed on their threads...if that's what you want please go to se.un and Relate your concerns.....i.am sure if you guys are united on that demand, he might listen to you.

But asking Muslims to take it upon themselves to help you realise your dream is dishonest and asking them to remove the oat as if they are the admins is a stupid thing to ask.
I hope I have been able to clear some misconceptions on this issue

Your Taqiyya is quite impressive but lame none the less.

On the general religion section I have personally seen too many anti christian threads opened by Muslims freely to bash Christians and Jesus and there were these major key players I always saw when I was a guest on nairaland before I registered. I think one had a moniker "friend something and there was wordworld or is it worldword. Rilwayne and about 4 others.

Their job was to constantly post anti christian threads all day, everyday and taunt Christians with it and I believe this prompted Christians to begin going into their section to do same or open threads in the normal section to do same but every time this is done, a mod would hijack the thread and move it quickly to the Islam section.

The oath was not to serve as a deterrent from Christians going there but rather to reduce the number of negative words spoken against Mohammad or Allah which could re-ignite the fatwa already issued against seun. There is a big difference in what I just said and what you just concocted above.

Christians still go to the Islamic section with or without the oath and still say what they feel about Mohammad but with less frequency now thus reducing the venom which would have been released to seun a second time.

What all of this shows, is simply the huge gap of difference between the Christians tolerance and the Muslim tolerance.

Christians have received all sorts from you and those like you but we never get violent but the same cannot be said of you and your sort.

Its not rocket science to tell based on anticidents of Islam and her followers that the nairaland religion section would have been more peaceful without you Muslims but your inclusion turned everything awry as it always does all over the world even to those who accommodated you.

You also lied when you said very few Muslims provoke Christians. It is even evident from one of your own threads where your fellow Muslim without any provocation from anyone called a christian A BRAINLESS KAFFIR.

Kaffir
noun
an insulting term for a black African.
an insulting term used by some Muslims for non-Muslims

And you come here to type your taqiyya all over the place.

Butterflyleo:


Your Taqiyya is quite impressive but lame none the less.

On the general religion section I have personally seen too many anti christian threads opened by Muslims freely to bash Christians and Jesus and there were these major key players I always saw when I was a guest on nairaland before I registered..

show us the threads, maybe I will take you serious

melody91:
show us the threads, maybe I will take you serious

Maybe you can only type but do not know how to run a nairaland religion section search right?

Butterflyleo:


Maybe you can only type but do not know how to run a nairaland religion section search right?

since you witnessed it all, don't you think you will know where to search ? unless its all deception

melody91:
since you witnessed it all, don't you think you will know where to search ? unless its all deception

So nairaland religion section is now too deep a place for even you to search?

Yet you opened this thread to talk about your observations about Christians invading Islamic threads without showing us proof to back up your claim.

Now you want me to spoonfeed you right?

Keep on deceiving yourself. EVERYONE in the religion section (except Muslims obviously) know how you lot are so you can stop pretending now alright?

Since suddenly you have lost the ability to be able to run simple searches on nairaland and get yourself copies of "uncorrupted" threads showing all I have said then keep on with the deception after all to you anything not from a Muslim is "corrupted" so go ahead get the "uncorrupted" versions for yourself.

Butterflyleo:


Your Taqiyya is quite impressive but lame none the less.

On the general religion section I have personally seen too many anti christian threads opened by Muslims freely to bash Christians and Jesus and there were these major key players I always saw when I was a guest on nairaland before I registered. I think one had a moniker "friend something and there was wordworld or is it worldword. Rilwayne and about 4 others.

Their job was to constantly post anti christian threads all day, everyday and taunt Christians with it and I believe this prompted Christians to begin going into their section to do same or open threads in the normal section to do same but every time this is done, a mod would hijack the thread and move it quickly to the Islam section.

The oath was not to serve as a deterrent from Christians going there but rather to reduce the number of negative words spoken against Mohammad or Allah which could re-ignite the fatwa already issued against seun. There is a big difference in what I just said and what you just concocted above.

Christians still go to the Islamic section with or without the oath and still say what they feel about Mohammad but with less frequency now thus reducing the venom which would have been released to seun a second time.

What all of this shows, is simply the huge gap of difference between the Christians tolerance and the Muslim tolerance.

Christians have received all sorts from you and those like you but we never get violent but the same cannot be said of you and your sort.

Its not rocket science to tell based on anticidents of Islam and her followers that the nairaland religion section would have been more peaceful without you Muslims but your inclusion turned everything awry as it always does all over the world even to those who accommodated you.

You also lied when you said very few Muslims provoke Christians. It is even evident from one of your own threads where your fellow Muslim without any provocation from anyone called a christian A BRAINLESS KAFFIR.



And you come here to type your taqiyya all over the place.

If you could say this even after all that I have typed....then I am really disappointed

I never said Muslims have been totally innocent.... so what's with this reply? Did you even read my post?
Is kafir an English word? And you gave an English definition of kafir? You are Just like the rest who can't keep religious sentiments from logical and critical reasoning.

udatso:

If you could say this even after all that I have typed....then I am really disappointed

If you could come here and type your usual taqiyya then I am not disappointed.

udatso:

If you could say this even after all that I have typed....then I am really disappointed

I never said Muslims have been totally innocent.... so what's with this reply? Did you even read my post?
Is kafir an English word? And you gave an English definition of kafir? You are Just like the rest who can't keep religious sentiments from logical and critical reasoning.

YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ WHAT YOU POSTED , EVEN THE OP THANKED YOU FOR IT.

Butterflyleo:


Keep on deceiving yourself. EVERYONE in the religion section (except Muslims obviously) know how you lot are so you can stop pretending now alright?

lol...here we go again, it always come back to all Muslims.."live and let live"

enilove:


YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ WHAT YOU POSTED , EVEN THE OP THANKED YOU FOR IT.

I was referring to butterflyvin that post you quoted and not the op.

udatso:

I was referring to butterflyvin that post you quoted and not the op.

You said you were disappointed in the comment of @butterflyeo after what you posted, isn't it ?

The point is you shouldn't be disappointed because you were biased in your post , which is to the delight of the Op.

enilove:


You said you were disappointed in the comment of @butterflyeo after what you posted, isn't it ?

The point is you shouldn't be disappointed because you were biased in your post , which is to the delight of the Op.

Okay.

melody91:
lol...here we go again, it always come back to all Muslims.."live and let live"

So says the obviously biased Muslim who deliberately closed his eyes to the many provocations of Christians by Muslims here on nairaland but chose to open a thread criticising Christians despite being already given a dedicated section for Islam on nairaland.

For you to be singled out and given your own special section, separated from Christians, pagans, traditionalists, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Jehovah witnesses and all it shows where the problem lies and who is intolerant and too bigoted to " live and let live ".

enilove:


You said you were disappointed in the comment of @butterflyeo after what you posted, isn't it ?

The point is you shouldn't be disappointed because you were biased in your post , which is to the delight of the Op.

Okay. I wouldn't drag this further. You are entitled to your opinion

enilove:


You said you were disappointed in the comment of @butterflyeo after what you posted, isn't it ?

The point is you shouldn't be disappointed because you were biased in your post , which is to the delight of the Op.

Extremely biased which was why I used the term TAQIYYA for him.

udatso:

If you could say this even after all that I have typed....then I am really disappointed

I never said Muslims have been totally innocent.... so what's with this reply? Did you even read my post?
Is kafir an English word? And you gave an English definition of kafir? You are Just like the rest who can't keep religious sentiments from logical and critical reasoning.

So I gave an English definition of kaffir?

Okay do us the honours by showing what kaffir truly means in Islam.

Go ahead

Butterflyleo:


So I gave an English definition of kaffir?

Okay do us the honours by showing what kaffir truly means in Islam.

Go ahead

so you can accuse me of taqiyya when the definition doesn't match the above? No I will pass.....
Many years ago, I would have started a debate with your kind and end up wasting both of our time but I don't do that anymore.
Help yourself out with whatever you find in the definition of kafir in the light of Islam

enilove:

YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ WHAT YOU POSTED , EVEN THE OP THANKED YOU FOR IT.

because he was honest and not bias

melody91:
because he was honest and not bias

I want to ask you this , " did you know there is a section created only for the Muslims under the religion section"?

That may be the misunderstanding .

udatso:
so you can accuse me of taqiyya when the definition doesn't match the above? No I will pass.....
Many years ago, I would have started a debate with your kind and end up wasting both of our time but I don't do that anymore.
Help yourself out with whatever you find in the definition of kafir in the light of Islam

Ogbeni show me the Islamic definition of kaffir and I will shame you now now.

I am close to Muslims especially Fulani cattle rearers who pass close to my farm. They taught me Hausa language and they have explained to.me who or what a kaffir is and why a Muslim can kill a fellow Muslim if he is called a kaffir by that Muslim. So Muslims call a fellow Muslim who is an unbeliever a Takfir instead of a kaffir.

Since that word is not an insult as you are alluding kindly tell us why a Muslim can kill a fellow Muslim when he is called a kaffir by that Muslim.

enilove:


I want to ask you this , " did you know there is a section created only for the Muslims under the religion section"?

That may be the misunderstanding .

yes ..and I have questions for you as well..how long have you been on nairaland? do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?

melody91:
yes ..and I have questions for you as well..how long have you been on nairaland? do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?

I have been a member since 2012.

Since you knew , who should be blamed , is it a person that left his section\territory to post topics derogatory to another persons faith or the one that did not trespass but defended his religion with abuse and insult ?