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Question. by Henkor: 11:15am On Jun 28, 2018
Does manner of dressing have a bearing on sexual assault and rape? I don't believe it does, but I'll just play devil's advocate and support the other side of the argument.
Re: Question. by XhosaNostra(f): 11:28am On Jun 28, 2018
No, I don't believe rape has anything to do with a manner of dressing because some men have raped animals, babies & elderly women. What's sexually provocative about that? Blaming the victim is nothing but a cover up, plus a retàrded excuse for their lack of control & possible mental issues. It makes no sense to be aroused to that extent, by a stranger no less! shocked

In summary, the issue is within the person who does the raping. No two ways about it. Something's wrong with him!
Re: Question. by Nbote(m): 11:29am On Jun 28, 2018
No!! D ppl who rape dem shld bear d responsibility for their amu and their lack of self control. D same reason U can't snatch fud u see on d roadside wen U are hungry
Re: Question. by delishpot: 11:41am On Jun 28, 2018
Well if her dress says boldly as in it is written on her come and rape me then I say yes. She got what she wanted. If the dressing says look at me then look at her and if she complains me I will support you and tell her to shut up. But to say women dress for rape is wrong. I believe they dress up ro be stared at or approached for encounters so do one of the two. That is what she is dressed for and if she complains ask her why then did she wear a body revealing dress.
Re: Question. by Henkor: 11:46am On Jun 28, 2018
XhosaNostra:
No, I don't believe rape has anything to do with a manner of dressing because some men have raped animals, babies & elderly women. What's sexually provocative about that? Blaming the victim is nothing but a cover up, plus a retàrded excuse for their lack of control & possible mental issues. It makes no sense to be aroused to that extent, by a stranger no less! shocked

In summary, the issue is within the person who does the raping. No two ways about it. Something's wrong with him!

This way of thinking and responding to issues isn't going to solve any problems. Saying that all the blame and responsibility has to go to the rapist and then rendering the tirade about how rapists are retarded and lack self control, isn't going to stop people from raping. And I don't even know if you read my post at all, because if you did, I think I made some effort in trying to illustrate how indecent dressing leads to rape and sexual assault.

There are parts of my post where I stated that of course there are cases where men tend to rape people who aren't indecently dressed, but in majority of instances, men tend to be more motivated to rape people who they are aroused by, and what engenders arousal most of the time is the revelation of sexually enticing parts of the female anatomy.

If a man walks alone in any empty, unprotected street in the middle of the night, when he has the choice not to, hence motivating bad people lurking around to accost and deprive him of his belongings, doesn't he bear some responsibility for making such an inane decision that puts him at risk? Would you say the bad men that stole from him have to bear all the burden of responsibility?
Re: Question. by XhosaNostra(f): 11:57am On Jun 28, 2018
Henkor:


This way of thinking and responding to issues isn't going to solve any problems. Saying that all the blame and responsibility has to go to the rapist and the rendering the tirade about how rapists are retarded and lack self control, isn't going to stop people from raping. And I don't even know if you read my post at all, because if you did, I think I made some effort in trying to illustrate how indecent dressing leads to rape and sexual assault.

There are parts of my post where I stated that of course there are cases where men tend to rape people who aren't indecently dressed, but in majority of instances, men tend to be more motivated to rape people who they are aroused by, and what engenders arousal most of the time is the revelation of sexually enticing parts of the female anatomy.

If a man walks alone in any empty, unprotected street in the middle of the night, when he has the choice not to, hence motivating bad people lurking around to accost and deprive him of his belongings, doesn't he bear some responsibility for making such an inane decision that puts him at risk? Would you say the bad men that stole from him have to bear all the burden of responsibility?

Listen, we're not animals here, we're humans with the ability to control our urges. The dysfunctional ones of our species cannot control those urges is my belief & I'm sticking to it. A normal, thinking person would look at & have thoughts about a scantily dressed stranger, but they won't act on them, because in the same train of thoughts they'd be thinking about all the diseases the person might be carrying. That is being rational. A sicko on the other hand doesn't follow the same rational, thinking process. Like an animal, he is controlled by instincts. He looks & he reacts. No critical thinking involved. Sorry but that's not normal.
Re: Question. by Mcy56(f): 12:03pm On Jun 28, 2018
@OP, how can you identify a rape done as a result of indecent dressing? What would you say about some people who dressed semi-nude because it's their culture? Can we say rape is justified in such society?
What is bad is bad. Let's call a spade a spade.
Rape is wrong for whatever reason or motive. It's a criminal act that is punishable under the law, the offender must face the wrath of the law and be prosecuted once caught.
Re: Question. by Henkor: 12:10pm On Jun 28, 2018
XhosaNostra:


Listen, we're not animals here, we're humans with the ability to control our urges. The dysfunctional ones of our species cannot control those urges is my belief & I'm sticking to it. A normal, thinking person would look at & have thoughts about a scantily dressed stranger, but they won't act on them, because in the same train of thoughts they'd be thinking about all the diseases the person might be carrying. That is being rational. A sicko on the other hand doesn't follow the same rational, thinking process. Like an animal, he is controlled by instincts. He looks & he reacts. No critical thinking involved. Sorry but that's not normal.

Maybe you live in some imaginary utopia where evil and it's proclivities have been eradicated. But I live in a world were there are people who can't control their urges, whether it's the urge to steal, kill, or rape. And these people are always going to remain. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Evil and good are natural qualities that are endemic to human existence. So your goal - everyone's goal - should be to prevent themselves from being open to high risk situations and reduce the possibility of being perceived as a prey by predatory humans.

Why do you take precautions to lock your doors at night? Why don't you leave your doors and windows open at night and sleep comfortably without any fears since "we are all humans and we can control our urges" and since according to you "the dysfunctional ones of our society can't control the things you do?"
Re: Question. by MissRaine69(f): 12:13pm On Jun 28, 2018
Bulls balls
Before western style clothes women were bare chested and in some societies wore loin clothes so your argument bares no weight.
What of those men that rape elderly women? Children? Other men?
It is a state of mind based and that person's personality what you wear is not a reason why you are raped .Some men and women have predatory tendencies couple that with sexual deviances it is not a good outcome.
Re: Question. by XhosaNostra(f): 12:19pm On Jun 28, 2018
Henkor:


Maybe you live in some imaginary utopia where evil and it's proclivities have been eradicated. But I live in a world were there are people who can't control their urges, whether it's the urge to steal, kill, or rape. And these people are always going to remain. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Evil and good are natural qualities that are endemic to human existence. So your goal - everyone's goal - should be to prevent themselves from being open to high risk situations and reduce the possibility of being perceived as a prey by predatory humans.

Why do you take precautions to lock your doors at night? Why don't you leave your doors and windows open at night and sleep comfortably without any fears since "we are all humans and we can control our urges" and since according to you "the dysfunctional ones of our society can't control the things you do?"

Well, let me live in my alternate universe in peace then.
Re: Question. by wirinet(m): 12:20pm On Jun 28, 2018
So what will you attribute the almost zero rape before the coming of the white man and their fashion, when women especially young girls go around topless.

Furthermore, there are still so many African societies where young girls less than 16 walk around topless, you hardly hear of rape in such societies.

Re: Question. by Craziestgirl(f): 12:23pm On Jun 28, 2018
Should men be held responsible when robbed,
because they dress fashionably and drive choice cars?

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Re: Question. by CAPSLOCKED: 12:26pm On Jun 28, 2018
Craziestgirl:
Should men be held responsible when robbed,

because they dress fashionably and drive choice cars
?


ACCORDING TO THREAD STARTER'S LOGIC, THAT'S THE REASON MEN SHOULD BE ROBBED AND MURDERED.

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Re: Question. by wirinet(m): 12:35pm On Jun 28, 2018
Henkor:


Maybe you live in some imaginary utopia where evil and it's proclivities have been eradicated. But I live in a world were there are people who can't control their urges, whether it's the urge to steal, kill, or rape. And these people are always going to remain. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Evil and good are natural qualities that are endemic to human existence. So your goal - everyone's goal - should be to prevent themselves from being open to high risk situations and reduce the possibility of being perceived as a prey by predatory humans.

Why do you take precautions to lock your doors at night? Why don't you leave your doors and windows open at night and sleep comfortably without any fears since "we are all humans and we can control our urges" and since according to you "the dysfunctional ones of our society can't control the things you do?"

Maybe you live in a world described by Thomas Hobbes. Even animals do control their urges.

Locks and doors do not stop a thief or theives from invading your home to steal, it only slows down a determined thief, so you can take evasive or reactive action. Have you not heard of gang of theives invading a whole street and breaking down every door on the street? It is fear of being caught and punished that is the greatest deterrent to robbery.

The blame for breaking and stealing inside a home lies squarely with the theif and not the owner because he did not lock his door.

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Re: Question. by FluidQueen(f): 12:47pm On Jun 28, 2018
One Question:

Should People bear responsibility for internet fraud as a result of being on the internet?

Should you bear responsibility for Armed robbery for having so much Assets that are liable to be stolen?


Rapist rape babies. Women on Hijabs. That shoukd tell you the problem is never with the victims. But men. The Real criminals.

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Re: Question. by J2381: 1:20pm On Jun 28, 2018
FluidQueen:
One Question:

Should People bear responsibility for internet fraud as a result of being on the internet?

Should you bear responsibility for Armed robbery for having so much Assets that are liable to be stolen?


Rapist rape babies. Women on Hijabs. That shoukd tell you the problem is never with the victims. But men. The Real criminals.
when you post like this you sound like all men are rapists.
Re: Question. by wirinet(m): 1:21pm On Jun 28, 2018
FluidQueen:
One Question:

Should People bear responsibility for internet fraud as a result of being on the internet?

Should you bear responsibility for Armed robbery for having so much Assets that are liable to be stolen?


Rapist rape babies. Women on Hijabs. That shoukd tell you the problem is never with the victims. But men. The Real criminals.

Why criminalize only men? Are you going to tell me that you have never heard of women raping men or children?

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Re: Question. by ibkayee(f): 1:30pm On Jun 28, 2018
We live in a world where sometimes we have to curtail our behaviour and actions to avoid bad things happening to us so we're now forced to have to take certain precautionary measures that may reduce risks.

If we’re real with ourselves, our dressing influences the way we are perceived and in certain situations, dressing provocatively may increase the chance of rape in some situations. Yes even women wearing burkhas and babies etc are raped, but rape isn’t a black and white thing, rapists attack different people and for different reasons and in this case, I’m talking about rapists who attack their victims because of their dressing particularly.
 
That saying, there’s a difference between valuable teaching of women to protect themselves (a non-accusatory approach) and telling victims that they should bear responsibility and what they should and shouldn't have done to cause the assault (which essentially rationalises the rape as a consequence of the victim's behaviour).

Btw, when I say ‘some situations’, I mean a something like a girl walking alone, half naked at early hours in the dark in a dodgy area. In such situations, we need to think smarter since we know what kind of world we live in. NOT, a situation where a girl has gone to a party with her friends in ‘sexy’ attire and a guy is aroused and rapes her or a situation where a girl is just wearing a tight top or something smh.

Let’s not act like you not forcing yourself on someone is completely out of your hands and that you lack self control to the point of being ‘driven’ to rape, when you aren’t animals. Sure, it’s important to take precautionary actions to keep ourselves as safe as possible but the only person responsible is the perpetrator.

Note: I know men can be victims as well, I’m focusing on women and their dressing since that’s what the OP is focusing on

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Re: Question. by anochuko01(m): 1:30pm On Jun 28, 2018
no! a rapist is a rapist and should be handled as such. and a fool is one who attracts a rapist by indecent dressing.
Re: Question. by FluidQueen(f): 2:20pm On Jun 28, 2018
J2381:
when you post like this you sound like all men are rapists.
Lol. grin


My bad?
That wasn't intended.
Re: Question. by FluidQueen(f): 2:24pm On Jun 28, 2018
wirinet:


Why criminalize only men? Are you going to tell me that you have never heard of women raping men or children?
why victimize only women? Are you going to tell me only Men that wears indecent dressing gets raped by women?


See, I didn't say nada.
Op wasn't talking about Men being the victims of rape.
When he does? I'd treat that too.
Re: Question. by J2381: 2:24pm On Jun 28, 2018
FluidQueen:
Lol. grin

My bad?
That wasn't intended.
okey dokey.

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