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Ubenedictus:
if all that was needed is the deity death and resurrection of Jesus... then what use was the Protestantism because the Catholic Church already believe all that.

OLAADEGBU:
Good question.

Check this link for answers.--> https://born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

Ubenedictus:
still doesn't answer the question, the Catholic Church teaches all those basic points, if that is all that is needed why the Protestant revolution?

OLAADEGBU:
If that is what you teach Martin Luther wouldn't have protested with his 95 thesis.

OLAADEGBU:
If that is what you teach Martin Luther wouldn't have protested with his 95 thesis.

Ubenedictus:
Luther 95 thesis was not about the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus in fact Catholics believe all those basic points, Catholics were the ones who defined all those basic points.

infact Luther believed the Catholic creed and believed Catholics were Christians, unlike you.


We on our part confess that there
is much that is Christian and good
under the papacy; indeed
everything that is Christian and
good is to be found there and has
come to us from this source. For
instance we confess that in the
papal church there are the true
holy Scriptures, true baptism, the
true sacrament of the altar, the
true keys to the forgiveness of sins,
the true office of the ministry, the
true catechism in the form of the
Lord’s Prayer, the Ten
Commandments, and the articles of
the creed . . . I speak of what the
pope and we have in common . . . I
contend that in the papacy there is
true Christianity, even the right
kind of Christianity and many great
and devoted saints.
. . . The Christendom that now is
under the papacy is truly the body
of Christ and a member of it. If it is
his body, then it has the true spirit,
gospel, faith, baptism, sacrament,
keys, the office of the ministry,
prayer, holy Scripture, and
everything that pertains to
Christendom. So we are all still
under the papacy and therefrom
have received our Christian
treasures.
. . . We do not rave as do the
rebellious spirits, so as to reject
everything that is found in the
papal church. For then we would
cast out even Christendom from the
temple of God, and all that it
contained of Christ.
[251] . . . We recall that St. John was
not averse to hearing the Word of
God from Caiaphas and pays
attention to his prophecy [John
11:49 f.] . . . Christ bids us hear the
godless Pharisees in the seat of
Moses, though they are godless
teachers . . . Let God judge their
evil lies. We can still listen to their
godly words . . .
Still we must admit that the
enthusiasts have the Scriptures and
the Word of God in other doctrines.
Whoever hears it from them and
believes will be saved, even though
they are unholy heretics and
blasphemers of Christ.
. . . [256] if the first, or child,
baptism were not right, it would
follow that for more than a
thousand years there was no
baptism or any Christendom, which
is impossible. For in that case the
article of the creed, I believe in one
holy Christian church, would be
false . . . [257] If this baptism is
wrong then for that long period
Christendom would have been
without baptism, and if it were
without baptism it would not be
Christendom.
( Concerning Rebaptism: A Letter to
Two Pastors, 1528, Luther’s Works ,
Vol. 40, 225-262; translated by
Conrad Bergendoff, pp. 231-232,
251, 256-257)

9inches:
Those weren't Luther's argument.

OLAADEGBU:
Here are his 95 theses and what they were all about.

https://www.gotquestions.org/95-theses.html

OLAADEGBU:
Fake News! The Apostles Creed is not the Roman Catholic Creed, don't get confused with the word "Catholic."

OLAADEGBU:
Here are his 95 theses and what they were all about.

https://www.gotquestions.org/95-theses.html

Ubenedictus:
that is not the apostles creed that is the Nicene creed.


and both the Nicene creed and the apostles creed are Catholic creed written and believed by Christians who share the Catholic faith.



the quote I gave you is from Luther and he said Catholics are Christians and their creed, sacrament and ministry is correct,


so I ask again, if the basic are all that is needed and the Catholic Church teaches them, why the Protestant revolution?

Overall, the Nicene Creed is a good summary of Christian doctrine. There are two primary issues, however. The first regards the phrase "catholic and apostolic church"—this does not refer to the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today. The word "catholic" means "universal." (The true "catholic" church is all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation). - www.gotquestions.org

Ubenedictus:
the 95 theses are the proposition that Martin Luther made to be discussed in the university of Wittenberg, it does not talk about the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus.


in fact 70% of the 95 thesis are Catholic teaching

9inches:
I know Luther's 95 thesis and I know what they were all about.

OLAADEGBU:
They were about how true and heavenly the Roman catholic dogmas were and that the pope was father of all.

9inches:
Like I said, I know what tge thesis says, but that's not the argument you were making. That's a diversion from what you argued previously with Benedictus - that if the Catholic Church had been teaching that Martin Luther would not have written his thesis.

Yale9:
The problem of division in christianity cannot be the fault of the largest united and indivisible denomination which is the the catholic church... the minorities (other protestant divisions) should let us know what their disagreement with one another really is. Haba!

OLAADEGBU:
The pope had the opportunity to preach the gospel to the US congress when he last visited, did he preach the gospel? No.

OLAADEGBU:
There is no division in the body of Christ, it's either you are hooked in or you are out on your own (O.Y.O).

9inches:
You are derailing man. You argue like liberals who do not stick to a point when their argument is failing them.

Yale9:
The church is divided. And that is what is in issue. Stick to the issue. The body of christ is not in issue.

OLAADEGBU:
That is the main issue. The RCC represented by the pope does not preach the gospel especially when he had the opportunity to do so in the US Congress he was preaching humanist issues.

9inches:
Stick your previous argument with Ben.

OLAADEGBU:
Who is Ben?

OLAADEGBU:
www.livingwaters.com

"Over 30,000 denominations of the Christian church and not one can agree with the other!"

Most of those denominations agree on the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Only on non-essential doctrines there is disagreement.

However, it's human nature to disagree about almost everything. I'm sure you would agree with that.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 1 May 2017 ·

9inches:
Benedictus

LordReed:
With hypocrites like you there how can they agree?

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotNbcFelX4

Traditional religion may be divided but the Church, which is the body of Christ, the universal Church is not divided. The Church's One foundation is Jesus Christ her Lord.

OLAADEGBU:
The excerpt below reiterates my point.

OLAADEGBU:
Martin Luther protested that Catholic teachings were right and that Roman Catholic church is the best thing since sliced bread. Continue.

OLAADEGBU:
Is it because I don't agree with you on your liberal views? after all it is human nature to disagree on almost everything.

OLAADEGBU:
Is that the retired Pope depicted above?

Ubenedictus:
Luther 95 thesis was not about the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus in fact Catholics believe all those basic points, Catholics were the ones who defined all those basic points.

infact Luther believed the Catholic creed and believed Catholics were Christians, unlike you.