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Maestro21:
Casting out demons is not deliverance. You don't get it do you?

LOL.

And I am not against casting out demons, I just said it is not " deliverance". The deliverance is to be PREACHED. You show people by the word where they stand in christ. That is genuine deliverance. You can cast out demons from someone who has them and without the genuine deliverance they will be back there again.

It is clear that you lack understanding of the things of God because based on what you've wrote, you have called Peter and John deliverance of the lame man at the beautiful gate as not being genuine because they didn't "show the lame man by the word where he stand in Christ" they just went straight and ministered deliverance unto him.


May God forgive and enlighten you in his word.

asuustrike2009:
That is not true. Study these verses of the scriptures; Psalm 50:15,Psalm 107:19,

1 Corinthians 5:5 also used the word "deliver". Does it now mean deliverance ministry? Come on. You people should stop being defensive.

Maestro21:
I walk in the power of God. Let me not say more than that.

And NOBODY could become a Christian until christ died.

FAILED!! You can see your foolishness and how you've deceived your self. If you walked in the Power of God you won't say there is nothing called Deliverance, because the Power of God is meant to Deliver. Your remaining gullible folks should take note!

PROPHETmichael:
It is clear that you lack understanding of the things of God because based on what you've wrote, you have called Peter and John deliverance of the lame man at the beautiful gate as not being genuine because they didn't "show the lame man by the word where he stand in Christ" they just went straight and ministered deliverance unto him.


May God forgive and enlighten you in his word.

You are deeply ignorant.

They did not deliver the man. They healed him of his ailment. You are the one claiming they delivered him.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

Notice how he distinguishes between healing, recovery of sight to blindness, liberty to bruised people and deliverance to be preached.

If you cannot understand these simple terms then I cannot help you.

Tosinex2:
FAILED!! You can see your foolishness and how you've deceived your self. If you walked in the Power of God you won't say there is nothing called Deliverance, because the Power of God is meant to Deliver. Your remaining gullible folks should take note!

You are actually the one talking foolishly. I said deliverance is to be preached and there is nothing like deliverance ministry.

Your problem is even english first and foremost. After then, we can discuss the scriptures.

Maestro21:
You are actually the one talking foolishly. I said deliverance is to be preached and there is nothing like deliverance ministry.

Your problem is even english first and foremost. After then, we can discuss the scriptures.

lolzz, look at this ignoramus Mr English...Deliverance is to be preached to who? To your boss in the office right! Lolz Didn't the scripture use captives, go and sell all what you have and go and buy a dictionary to check for the meaning of captives! You better receive sense..Rubbish.!

Maestro21:
You are deeply ignorant.

They did not deliver the man. They healed him of his ailment. You are the one claiming they delivered him.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

Notice how he distinguishes between healing, recovery of sight to blindness, liberty to bruised people and deliverance to be preached.

If you cannot understand these simple terms then I cannot help you.

Alright, let me follow you ..

Acts 16: 16- 18

16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


So Paul deliverance of this certain damsel wasn't genuine because he didn't "preached deliverance" to her...he simply cast the demon out.

Tosinex2:
lolzz, look at this ignoramus Mr English...Deliverance is to be preached to who? To your boss in the office right! Didn't the scripture use captives. sell all what you have and go and buy a dico to check for the meaning of captives! You better receive sense..Rubbish.!

Is the Christian a captive? LOL.

You are more ignorant than I thought and you read Kenneth Copeland. What a shame.

PROPHETmichael:
Alright, let me follow you ..

Acts 16: 16- 18

16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


So Paul deliverance of this certain damsel wasn't genuine because he didn't "preached deliverance" to her...he simply cast the demon out.

Thanks for this reference sir, God bless!

PROPHETmichael:
Alright, let me follow you ..

Acts 16: 16- 18

16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


So Paul deliverance of this certain damsel wasn't genuine because he didn't "preached deliverance" to her...he simply cast the demon out.

Imagine when you tell someone there is nothing wrong with casting out demons but it is not deliverance and they keep showing you more instances where demons were cast out. LOL.

In the verse of scripture I showed you, distinctions were made to show that healing..recovery of sight..helping the bruised and deliverance are not the same.

If you don't get that, what can I do to help you?

Maestro21:
Is the Christian a captive? LOL.

You are more ignorant than I thought and you read Kenneth Copeland. What a shame.

Who is discussing Christian a captive with you...Is that the topic of the thread, Stop being foolish, we are talking about Deliverance here!

Tosinex2:
Who is discussing Christian a captive with you... Stop being foolish, we are talking about Deliverance here!

The scripture says PREACHING deliverance to the CAPTIVES.

Do you see how stupid you sound now?

Maestro21:
The scripture says PREACHING deliverance to the CAPTIVES.

Do you see how stupid you sound now?

look at this buffon you sounds disgusting and you know nothing about the ministry, you are just puffed up and arrogant and ignorant.. All that comes to church are they all Christians, have they all given their life to christ or don't you guys do altar call and see people that will come out and surrender to God...Gosh!! I'm talking to babes!


And this nonsense told me he walk in the Power of God and yet he's denying it's ability, you are such a shame to Christianity!

Maestro21:
The bible said there is no "deliverance" ministry.

There is need for people to know that they have been delivered. You teach..preach...tell them they have been delivered. You do not cast out demons or heal the sick for deliverance. Deliverance is what christ has achieved..your duty is to preach it to them.

This should summed it all. This is the crux of it all.

More grace and understanding bro.

Maestro21:
1 Corinthians 5:5 also used the word "deliver". Does it now mean deliverance ministry? Come on. You people should stop being defensive.

Mr man read the scriptures well.if you lack understanding ask questions. Those people into deliverance ministry are not different from the normal ministries we see around.

Maestro21:
The scripture says PREACHING deliverance to the CAPTIVES.

Do you see how stupid you sound now?

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.




Your problem is that you want to preach the gospel to the captives while preaching deliverance to the poor.
whereas, this is what you were commanded to do.

PREACH the GOSPEL to the poor
PREACH deliverance to the captives (in other words, command the chains to be broken in the name of Jesus)

Hopefully, the picture below will give you a better understanding of the word CAPTIVES. You can't set him free without breaking the chains.

asuustrike2009:
The heading says so. The writer is preventing people from attending deliverance ministry.

read well before replying pls...

Dan1cole:
read well before replying pls...

I read everything but the heading is misleading

Tosinex2:
look at this buffon you sounds disgusting and you know nothing about the ministry, you are just puffed up and arrogant and ignorant.. All that comes to church are they all Christians, have they all given their life to christ or don't you guys do altar call and see people that will come out and surrender to God...Gosh!! I'm talking to babes!


And this nonsense told me he walk in the Power of God and yet he's denying it's ability, you are such a shame to Christianity!

The word you are looking for is buffoon, because that is who you sound like (Did I not tell you English is your problem?). There is nothing above that addresses the words PREACH and CAPTIVES. You see you are cornered and resort to invectives because you would rather hold on to a lie than accept that what you have believed all your life is unscriptural.

Funny enough, the 2 people who liked your post are the same ones who support deliverance. How can someone who is not delivered deliver others? Lol

asuustrike2009:
Mr man read the scriptures well.if you lack understanding ask questions. Those people into deliverance ministry are not different from the normal ministries we see around.

Now this is my problem, it is clear you are the one who does not understand scriptures but instead of ask, you disregard simple terms and vent off inconsistencies. The Psalm verses you quoted were contextually saying we should call unto God to ask for deliverance for his people (Israel) who at sundry times were captives of different nations. Key word GOD is the one who is doing the deliverance.

This is not related to any deliverance ministry. It is clear. To prove it to you I quoted another scripture were the word deliver was used in this case to show that Paul advocated that an erring bro be delivered unto Satan. You saw that and did not realise the folly in your argument.

This is simply what I mean. Jesus came and died and has consummated/finsuhed/acquired/completed the deliverance that the world of sinners (captives) needed. But many don't know it. So he told us to HEAL the SICK (any body could be sick including some faithless Christians and unbelievers). Recovery of sight to the blind (any one could be blind he does not distinguish). Liberty to the bruised (same as before this applies to anyone). Gospel to the poor (again..anyone) but lastly he says preach deliverance to the captives (ah ha! He distinguishes). Because he knows who the captives are. And notice he said PREACH their deliverance to them. In other words, tell them about it.

That is why I have said consistently that there is no special ministry to do that. It was a charge prophetically given to the whole body of christ. Even whilst Christ was about to ascend he told them the signs that will follow ALL believers. So I think it is you people who need to ask questions not the other way around.

PROPHETmichael:
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.




Your problem is that you want to preach the gospel to the captives while preaching deliverance to the poor.
whereas, this is what you were commanded to do.

PREACH the GOSPEL to the poor
PREACH deliverance to the captives (in other words, command the chains to be broken in the name of Jesus)

Hopefully, the picture below will give you a better understanding of the word CAPTIVES. You can't set him free without breaking the chains.

Your problem is lack of understanding.

I said PREACH deliverance to the CAPTIVES. If preach gospel to the poor does not mean command them to be saved why does preach deliverance to the captives mean command them to be free?

Because you are forcing the scripture to say what it did not say. And you are not setting anyone free. Nobody sent you to set anyone free. Jesus said you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free.

Maestro21:
Your problem is lack of understanding.

I said PREACH deliverance to the CAPTIVES. If preach gospel to the poor does not mean command them to be saved why does preach deliverance to the captives mean command them to be free?

Because you are forcing the scripture to say what it did not say. And you are not setting anyone free. Nobody sent you to set anyone free. Jesus said you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free.

The first preach is different from the second one.
This is how other translations put it:-

He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim freedom to the captives.

Maestro21 show me in the scripture where as the word was being preached, deliverance was taking place.

Also enlighten me on this statement by Jesus, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free."

asuustrike2009:
The heading says so. The writer is preventing people from attending deliverance ministry.

true

Maestro21:
The word you are looking for is buffoon, because that is who you sound like (Did I not tell you English is your problem?). There is nothing above that addresses the words PREACH and CAPTIVES. You see you are cornered and resort to invectives because you would rather hold on to a lie than accept that what you have believed all your life is unscriptural.

Funny enough, the 2 people who liked your post are the same ones who support deliverance. How can someone who is not delivered deliver others? Lol

hahaha I don't want to use some demeaning words here but you really sound so pained! Has Jesus sent you to preach English lolzz, how many books have you written with your grammatical brouhaha and sent out to the world, cos it seems that's the best thing you are good with your life..the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

Hey boy, you need understanding, You are not giving the Word for the excellency of speech but for the manifestation of God's Power and Glory. And if you are still looking for the correlation between PREACH, CAPTIVES, DELIVERANCE, CHURCH, CHRISTIAN or Whatever, keep searching, it shows you are still a babe, look for a teacher and learn, I speak wisdom among those that are mature, and Leave those that acknowledge my post, they found it worthy of acceptance because it's the truth...

Maestro21:
Now this is my problem, it is clear you are the one who does not understand scriptures but instead of ask, you disregard simple terms and vent off inconsistencies. The Psalm verses you quoted were contextually saying we should call unto God to ask for deliverance for his people (Israel) who at sundry times were captives of different nations. Key word GOD is the one who is doing the deliverance.

This is not related to any deliverance ministry. It is clear. To prove it to you I quoted another scripture were the word deliver was used in this case to show that Paul advocated that an erring bro be delivered unto Satan. You saw that and did not realise the folly in your argument.

This is simply what I mean. Jesus came and died and has consummated/finsuhed/acquired/completed the deliverance that the world of sinners (captives) needed. But many don't know it. So he told us to HEAL the SICK (any body could be sick including some faithless Christians and unbelievers). Recovery of sight to the blind (any one could be blind he does not distinguish). Liberty to the bruised (same as before this applies to anyone). Gospel to the poor (again..anyone) but lastly he says preach deliverance to the captives (ah ha! He distinguishes). Because he knows who the captives are. And notice he said PREACH their deliverance to them. In other words, tell them about it.

That is why I have said consistently that there is no special ministry to do that. It was a charge prophetically given to the whole body of christ. Even whilst Christ was about to ascend he told them the signs that will follow ALL believers. So I think it is you people who need to ask questions not the other way around.

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PROPHETmichael:
The first preach is different from the second one.
This is how other translations put it:-

He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim freedom to the captives.

No they are not different. Why are you guys so dishonest?

How do you proclaim freedom to the captives if not by declaring to them that they are free. You have searched the scriptures and seen copiously that Jesus distinguished between deliverance and healings or casting out demons yet you lump them into the same box to save your argument.

Do you realize you can cast out a demon from someone and they will still be unsaved? Is an unsaved person not a captive?

Tosinex2:
hahaha I don't want to use some demeaning words here but you really sound so pained! Has Jesus sent you to preach English lolzz, how many books have you written with your grammatical brouhaha and sent out to the world, cos it seems that's the best thing you are good with your life..the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

Hey boy, you need understanding, You are not giving the Word for the excellency of speech but for the manifestation of God's Power and Glory. And if you are still looking for the correlation between PREACH, CAPTIVES, DELIVERANCE, CHURCH, CHRISTIAN or Whatever, keep searching, it shows you are still a babe, look for a teacher and learn, I speak wisdom among those that are mature, and Leave those that acknowledge my post, they found it worthy of acceptance because it's the truth...

You wanted to type Buffoon and you spelt it wrongly. I corrected you yet I am the one pained. 3 people who cannot read liked your post without seeing who has been using demeaning words like foolishness and buffoon.

The people that acknowledged your post are as ignorant as you yet they are seeking to "deliver" others. That is the joke of the day. Of course, how will a babe know who a mature Christian is when simple distinctions like preach and captives are beyond your ability to comprehend?

For your information, I have seen Yahoo boys get demons cast out of them only for the same people to go back to their scams. Because casting out demons is not = being delivered. That is why in the 5 fold ministry offices nobody listed anything called deliverance. Because deliverance has been wrought by Christ and pastors, prophets, evangelists, teachers and apostles are the offices via which this deliverance is declared, preached, demonstrated to people. It is a delivered man that can ask a devil to leave and he will. The man on the other end will never know this truth if he is not taught. So keep deceiving yourself.

I cast demons out regularly. Many times I don't even fast and pray. If I step into a place atimes they know to check out. You cant teach me about power. You are clearly limited by the knowledge of Gods word that you do not have.

PROPHETmichael:
Maestro21 show me in the scripture where as the word was being preached, deliverance was taking place.

Also enlighten me on this statement by Jesus, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free."

LOL. Sorry I had to laugh really hard. Starting from even when Peter spoke after receiving the holy spirit that got 2000 men saved, what do you think he did there?

I keep telling you that preaching deliverance = casting demons out or healing the sick.

As for your other question, a document that sets someone free can exist but if the person does not know they will still be in bondage. Imagine a prisoner who was wrongly accused and imprisoned yet a witness has come out to provide evidence showing that the prisoner is innocent, if a judge does not ratify that evidence, that prisoner will still be in jail even though evidence exists that SETS him free. But as soon as the judge accepts the evidence and declares not guilty, the prisoner by right will be asked to leave jail. Which means the evidence has MADE him free.

Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free.

Maestro21:
You wanted to type Buffoon and you spelt it wrongly. I corrected you yet I am the one pained. 3 people who cannot read liked your post without seeing who has been using demeaning words like foolishness and buffoon.

The people that acknowledged your post are as ignorant as you yet they are seeking to "deliver" others. That is the joke of the day. Of course, how will a babe know who a mature Christian is when simple distinctions like preach and captives are beyond your ability to comprehend?

For your information, I have seen Yahoo boys get demons cast out of them only for the same people to go back to their scams. Because casting out demons is not = being delivered. That is why in the 5 fold ministry offices nobody listed anything called deliverance. Because deliverance has been wrought by Christ and pastors, prophets, evangelists, teachers and apostles are the offices via which this deliverance is declared, preached, demonstrated to people. It is a delivered man that can ask a devil to leave and he will. The man on the other end will never know this truth if he is not taught. So keep deceiving yourself.

I cast demons out regularly. Many times I don't even fast and pray. If I step into a place atimes they know to check out. You cant teach me about power. You are clearly limited by the knowledge of Gods word that you do not have.

look at this clown! Mr vocabulary the Joker! you cast out demons regularly, are they living in your house? hahahahaha hahahahaha is everyone in your surroundings possessed , and don't you preach the Word to deliver them, and why casting them out regularly lolzz, you don't need to lie, I'm sure you don't even know what demons are, Keep living in your delusion, you can boast because it's a faceless forum! you still have alot to learn boy, the little you think you know is nothing and unfruitful, and to think you know God's word and you can't come up with precise scriptural verses to back your claims then I say it again that you are such a shame to Christianity..

Maestro21:
LOL. Sorry I had to laugh really hard. Starting from even when Peter spoke after receiving the holy spirit that got 2000 men saved, what do you think he did there?

I keep telling you that preaching deliverance = casting demons out or healing the sick.

As for your other question, a document that sets someone free can exist but if the person does not know they will still be in bondage. Imagine a prisoner who was wrongly accused and imprisoned yet a witness has come out to provide evidence showing that the prisoner is innocent, if a judge does not ratify that evidence, that prisoner will still be in jail even though evidence exists that SETS him free. But as soon as the judge accepts the evidence and declares not guilty, the prisoner by right will be asked to leave jail. Which means the evidence has MADE him free.

Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free.

I asked you to explain this statement "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and all you could say was "Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free." That says it all... Anyway, let me go according to your explanation, what truth will make us free?

Also, i'm still waiting for you to show me in the scripture where it says as Jesus or apostles was preaching, deliverance or healing etc was taking place. Remember, everything i'm trying to explain to you, i back it up with scripture; so kindly back yours up.

@Prophetmichael, he can't back them with scriptures, the fool is just churning out what his pastor taught him, those pastors of his that needs to be delivered from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling lolzz