This is to correct the errors and misinterpretation of the thread (by lightblazingnow ) that surfaced on the front page earlier... https://www.nairaland.com/4623674/why-it-wrong-addressed-daddy

The writer made some scriptural errors that will be quoted and duly addressed below...

They call them " daddy's, G.O, Papa, and the likes. Is it that these men are so blind they can no longer see the scriptures.
Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Scriptures are to be studied in context. Before you make certain conclusions, it will be smart to ask questions such as "who is the passage addressing", " why did he make such address", "what led to the address". This will help us put things in perspective.

Now, the above scripture quoted by the writer was about a statement of Jesus to his disciples... Let's however see the whole event in context from verse 1 so we can understand the point well...

Matthew 23:1-11
[1]Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2]Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3]All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
[4]For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
[5]But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
[6]And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
[7]And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
[8]But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
[9]And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[10]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[11]But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.


Apparently, this was Jesus correcting His disciples not be as the Pharisees. The issue was about the Pharisees who hypocritically loved to be exalted by men. The issue was peculiar to the pharisees!

Jesus only commanded His guys not to be as the Pharisees who were evil, highminded and hypocritical. The Pharisees love to be exalted by men, to be called father, master, etc. Jesus only warned His disciples against following such culture. He did not prohibit being called a father, or calling one your father.

The statements in verse 9 and 10 are not meant to stand on their own... The moment you separate them from the real issue as established in the previous verses, you intend to give them a meaning of their own..

If Jesus really means that one shouldn't call anyone on earth his father, what about earthly fathers? Does that mean you shouldn't call your earthly father your father?
If it were so, Jesus Himself would have breached this principle when He called one of his disciples as the Son of His earthly father...

John 1:42
[42]And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.


Besides, the Bible recognizes the place of earthly fathers...

Colossians 3:21
[21]Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

Hebrews 12:9
[9]Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?


You will agree with me that if Jesus means for man to call no man on the earth His father, the portions above would definitely not have referred to persons on earth as fathers...

Anyway, by their fruits you shall know whose servants they represent.
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Apparently, this portion of the scripture doesn't prove his point... Rather, it does the contrary... See the next verse,

Romans 12:4
[4]For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

That's why there is need for each person to think soberly according to the level of grace given Him as said in verse 12.

They have turned their members to slaves in the churches, screaming at the members and displaying the works of their flesh.
Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind
let each esteem other better than themselves. 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Yet again, this doesn't prove the writer's point. This is Paul's admonition to the Church at Philippi. The address does not by any means infer that Pastors should not be given their place of authority. That will be absurd. Paul, being their Apostle did not say in verse 3 "let us esteem each other better than ourselves" (of course, he isn't included). He says "let each (Church members) esteem other better than themselves".


To make it clearer, see

1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
[12]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
[13] And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.


When it comes to pastors and the likes, what does it say? ESTEEM THEM VERY HIGHLY.

Yet again,

1 Timothy 5:17
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Wouldn't this "double honour" involve calling them (the pastors, Apostles) fathers and they calling their church " Children"?


Let's see how the Apostles refer to themselves...


1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

The Apostle Paul sees himself as the FATHER of the Corinthian church. He was their "Daddy G.O".

Titus 1:4
[4]To Titus, mine own son after the common faith...

To Titus, He calls Him His Spiritual Son.


1 Timothy 1:2
[2] Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not....


This is John (the disciple that is reputed to be the closest to Jesus in His earthly walk) writing to the church, calling them HIS CHILDREN.


Clearly, the Apostles understood the point Jesus made in Matthew 23...

They knew He was only cautioning his disciples against the proud lifestyle and hypocrisy of the Pharisees...

Jesus was not commanding that you shouldn't accord your fathers their due respect (whether Physical or Spiritual). Jesus didn't command that you shouldn't call your children (whether physical or Spiritual) your children...

Calling our pastors Daddy is Biblical. Like Paul said in 1 Corinth 4:15, they begat us through the gospel. They are our fathers.




1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
[12]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
[13] And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.


It will be against God's word to not accord them their their due honour.

Thank God for our Daddy G.Os!



Lalasticlala

Lol

damosky12:
This is to correct the errors and misinterpretation of the thread (by lightblazingnow) that surfaced on the front page earlier... https://www.nairaland.com/4623674/why-it-wrong-addressed-daddy

The writer made some scriptural errors that will be quoted and duly addressed below...

Scriptures are to be studied in context. Before you make certain conclusions, it will be smart to ask questions such as "who is the passage addressing", " why did he make such address", "what led to the address". This will help us put things in perspective.

Now, the above scripture quoted by the writer was about a statement of Jesus to his disciples... Let's however see the whole event in context from verse 1 so we can understand the point well...

Matthew 23:1-11
[1]Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2]Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3]All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
[4]For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
[5]But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
[6]And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
[7]And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
[8]But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
[9]And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[10]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[11]But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Apparently, this was Jesus correcting His disciples not be as the Pharisees. The issue was about the Pharisees who hypocritically loved to be exalted by men. The issue was peculiar to the pharisees!

Jesus only commanded His guys not to be as the Pharisees who were evil, highminded and hypocritical. The Pharisees love to be exalted by men, to be called father, master, etc. Jesus only warned His disciples against following such culture. He did not prohibit being called a father, or calling one your father.

The statements in verse 9 and 10 are not meant to stand on their own... The moment you separate them from the real issue as established in the previous verses, you intend to give them a meaning of their own..

If Jesus really means that one shouldn't call anyone on earth his father, what about earthly fathers? Does that mean you shouldn't call your earthly father your father?
If it were so, Jesus Himself would have breached this principle when He called one of his disciples as the Son of His earthly father...

John 1:42
[42]And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

Besides, the Bible recognizes the place of earthly fathers...

Colossians 3:21
[21]Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

Hebrews 12:9
[9]Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

You will agree with me that if Jesus means for man to call no man on the earth His father, the portions above would definitely not have referred to persons on earth as fathers...

Apparently, this portion of the scripture doesn't prove his point... Rather, it does the contrary... See the next verse,

Romans 12:4
[4]For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

That's why there is need for each person to think soberly according to the level of grace given Him as said in verse 12.

Yet again, this doesn't prove the writer's point. This is Paul's admonition to the Church at Philippi. The address does not by any means infer that Pastors should not be given their place of authority. That will be absurd. Paul, being their Apostle did not say in verse 3 "let us esteem each other better than ourselves" (of course, he isn't included). He says "let each (Church members) esteem other better than themselves".

To make it clearer, see

1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
[12]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
[13] And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

When it comes to pastors and the likes, what does it say? ESTEEM THEM VERY HIGHLY.

Yet again,

1 Timothy 5:17
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Wouldn't this "double honour" involve calling them (the pastors, Apostles) fathers and they calling their church " Children"?

Let's see how the Apostles refer to themselves...

1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

The Apostle Paul sees himself as the FATHER of the Corinthian church. He was their "Daddy G.O".

Titus 1:4
[4]To Titus, mine own son after the common faith...

To Titus, He calls Him His Spiritual Son.

1 Timothy 1:2
[2] Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not....

This is John (the disciple that is reputed to be the closest to Jesus in His earthly walk) writing to the church, calling them HIS CHILDREN.

Clearly, the Apostles understood the point Jesus made in Matthew 23...

They knew He was only cautioning his disciples against the proud lifestyle and hypocrisy of the Pharisees...

Jesus was not commanding that you shouldn't accord your fathers their due respect (whether Physical or Spiritual).
Jesus didn't command that you shouldn't call your children (whether physical or Spiritual) your children...

Calling our pastors Daddy is Biblical.
Like Paul said in 1 Corinth 4:15, they begat us through the gospel. They are our fathers.

1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
[12]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
[13] And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

It will be against God's word to not accord them their their due honour.

Thank God for our Daddy G.Os!
Lalasticlala

damosky12, I've gone through lightblazingnow's post
and I am comfortably pleased to write that there are no errors nor misinterpretation whatsoever in the entire writeup

damosky12, what you failed to acknowledged in your refutation are that:
1/ Paul, no where in the bible is found to use "father" (i.e. "Daddy G.O'') as a formal religious title.
2/ Paul, no where in his letters, in the bible, ever referred to himself as "Father Paul" (i.e. "Daddy G.O'')
3/ No where in the bible, does anyone, not even Timothy, call or address Paul with a honorific religious title "father" or "Daddy G.O"
4/ Jesus explicitly said, call no man on the earth, bar the biological and/or adopted, father
5/ No one needs to covet the honorific religious title, be addressed or called "father" "Pope" or "Daddy G.O"

PS: I initially liked the writeup, but after gone through the post proper, I had to withdraw and unlike it.

MuttleyLaff:
damosky12, I've gone through lightblazingnow's post
and I am comfortably pleased to write that there are no errors nor misinterpretation whatsoever in the entire writeup

damosky12, what you failed to acknowledged in your refutation are that:
1/ Paul, no where in the bible is found to use "father" (i.e. "Daddy G.O'') as a formal religious title.


2/ Paul, no where in his letters, in the bible, ever referred to himself as "Father Paul" (i.e. "Daddy G.O'')

Your " formal religious title" is not needed. This discuss isnt about adopting formal religious titles. Cut the slack on "Daddy G.O". Its just refers to FATHER in the Nigerian church parlance.

Paul referred to himself as a father.

1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Galatians 4:19
[19]My little children, of whom I travail IN BIRTH again until Christ be formed in you...

It'll either be dishonest or grammatically unintelligent for anyone to contest the above. Paul CLEARLY presented himself as a FATHER.

3/ No where in the bible, does anyone, not even Timothy, call or address Paul with a honorific religious title "father" or "Daddy G.O"

Calm down and learn, sir. Timothy was only written to in the Bible. The whole Bible has no quote at all from Timothy. He never spoke AT ALL in all the Bible. So, we can't tell how he addressed Paul. We can however tell how Paul addressed him.

1 Timothy 1:2
[2]Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith.

If Timothy is the son, who is the father... Again, calm down, sir.

4/ Jesus explicitly said, call no man on the earth, bar the biological and/or adopted, father
5/ No one needs to covet the titles, be addressed or called "father" or "Daddy G.O"

PS: I initially liked the writeup, but after gone through the post proper, I had to withdraw and unlike it.

I think it will do you some good to go through the post again... BTW, why bar biological/adopted father? Did Jesus take exception?

I explained well enough and gave proofs why Jesus wasn't giving a law. If he was, then that would mean you shouldn't even call your biological father your father... Yet, the same Jesus called Peter the son of his father...

Hence, if he isn't referring to biological father, he isn't referring to spiritual father as well.

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE POST THOROUGHLY THIS TIME.

Feel free to like again.


InansBobo, mknigeriagreat, Austema, segzyogondus, sirs, CORRECTION is here o.

damosky12:
Your " formal religious title" is not needed.
This discuss isnt about adopting formal religious titles.
Cut the slack on "Daddy G.O".
Its just refers to FATHER in the Nigerian church parlance.

It's not down nor up to me, to cut the slack
Our Oga at the Top, that laid down the rule, meant what He said.
Take it up with Him.

damosky12:
Paul referred to himself as a father.

1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Galatians 4:19
[19]My little children, of whom I travail IN BIRTH again until Christ be formed in you...

It'll either be dishonest or grammatically unintelligent for anyone to contest the above.
Paul CLEARLY presented himself as a FATHER

You have displayed your dishonesty and grammatical unintelligence for the world to see
Now where exactly and how in, 1 Corinthians 4:15 and Galatians 4:19, did Paul refer himself as "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

Do you know what analogical reasoning is?
It is used to develop understanding and meaning
Let me give you an example, over the course of my working career, I've had so many people that have being like a father and mother to me.
They are protective over me, behave kindly & warmly towards me, watch over me, have my best interest in their hearts etcetera
but that dont mean, they are my father or mother
I dont call them my father or mother
I dont call them "father" or "Daddy G.O"
I dont call them "mother" or "Mummy G.O"

Of course, they know their behaviour and acts towards me, is like being a father or mother
but they never once address, call or give themselves designated "father/mother" or "Daddy/Mummy G.O" titles

Do you know what metaphor is?
damosky12, father(s), in 1 Corinthians 4:15, is used as a metaphor,
and not used as the designated "father" or "Daddy G.O" popular title. Pftt.

damosky12:
Calm down and learn, sir.

Pride comes before a fall.
What an irony
as unbeknownst to you, by the time this all ends, you would have learned a thing or two.
Put on your seat belt

damosky12:
Timothy was only written to in the Bible.
The whole Bible has no quote at all from Timothy.
He never spoke AT ALL in all the Bible.
So, we can't tell how he addressed Paul. We can however tell how Paul addressed him.

1 Timothy 1:2
[2]Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith.

If Timothy is the son, who is the father... Again, calm down, sir.

A lot of people address me or call me son,
yet no one says they are my fathers

It's you who needs to find a chair to sit on, so you can calm down

Again, I'll ask you:
1/ Did Paul refer to himself as "father" or "Daddy G.O"?
2/ Did Paul start or end his letters with "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

damosky12:
I think it will do you some good to go through the post again...
BTW, why bar biological/adopted father? Did Jesus take exception?

I explained well enough and gave proofs why Jesus wasn't giving a law.
If he was, then that would mean you shouldn't even call your biological father your father...
Yet, the same Jesus called Peter the son of his father...

Hence, if he isn't referring to biological father, he isn't referring to spiritual father as well.

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE POST THOROUGHLY THIS TIME.

Feel free to like again.

I think it will do you some good to go over Matthew 23:1-11 again
I particularly advise you ponder over Matthew 23:9, keeping in mind that Context is King
damosky12, is the context in there about biological fathers?

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE VERSE THOROUGHLY THIS TIME AND REPEAT HERE WHAT IT SAYS

Is it necessary to covet the titles, be addressed or called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?
Be honest. Put the devil to shame damosky12.

MuttleyLaff:
It's not down nor up to me, to cut the slack
Our Oga at the Top, that laid down the rule, meant what He said.
Take it up with Him.

You have displayed your dishonesty and grammatical unintelligence for the world to see
Now where exactly and how in, 1 Corinthians 4:15 and Galatians 4:19, did Paul refer himself as "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

You are simply unrepentantly against the truth. Kai!

1 Corinthians 4:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.

New Living Translation
For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.


English Standard Version
For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

New American Standard Bible
For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

International Standard Version
You may have 10,000 mentors who work for the Messiah, but not many fathers. For in the Messiah Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

Do you know what analogical reasoning is?
It is used to develop understanding and meaning
Let me give you an example, over the course of my working career, I've had so many people that have being like a father and mother to me.
They are protective over me, behave kindly & warmly towards me, watch over me, have my best interest in their hearts etcetera
but that dont mean, they are my father or mother
I dont call them my father or mother
I dont call them "father" or "Daddy G.O"
I dont call them "mother" or "Mummy G.O"

Of course, they know their behaviour and acts towards me, is like being a father or mother
but they never once address, call or give themselves designated "father/mother" or "Daddy/Mummy G.O" titles

You know deep within yourself that you have no point. Paul didn't behave like ago father to the Corinth church. HE was a father. I have shown you sufficient versions to reveal your error to you.

I showed sufficient proofs from scriptures where He called churches and individuals his children/ sons.... He didn't say, for instance to Timothy: "you are like a son to me"... He said: "Timothy, my own son in the faith". That was emphatic enough.

Those in your " analogical reasoning" didn't call themselves your father or mother, Paul did to the Corinth church. He did call many His Children IN THE FAITH. He gave birth to them IN THE FAITH.

Do you know what metaphor is?
damosky12, father(s), in 1 Corinthians 4:15, is used as a metaphor,
and not used as the designated "father" or "Daddy G.O" popular title. Pftt.

Don't give scriptures your own meaning. It was clear enough. The was lucid and well articulate... You don't have to wrestle with it. Flow with it.

The same way Paul was a Spiritual father to them, the Daddy GOs are regarded as Daddy because they are recognized as fathers. IS THIS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH? .

Pride comes before a fall.
What an irony
as unbeknownst to you, by the time this all ends, you would have learned a thing or two.
Put on your seat belt

A lot of people address me or call me son,
yet no one says they are my fathers

It's you who needs to find a chair to sit on, so you can calm down

Again, I'll ask you:
1/ Did Paul refer to himself as "father" or "Daddy G.O"?
2/ Did Paul start or end his letters with "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

to No 1, yes he did. To no 2, He didn't have to start and end his letters thus... However, remarkably, He presented himself as a father.

To Titus for instance,

Titus 1:4
[4]To Titus, mine own son after the common faith...

If Someone is YOUR OWN son, who are you to him? uncle?

Na wa o.

I think it will do you some good to go over Matthew 23:1-11 again
I particularly advise you ponder over Matthew 23:9, keeping in mind that Context is King
damosky12, is the context in there about biological fathers?

LOL. Funny. Is the context about genuine Spiritual fathers?

Thank God you speak of context...

Paul gave birth to his church through the gospel. He called the Galatian church his children for which he is in travails..

If you will seclude biological fathers, why neglect spiritual fathers?

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE VERSE THOROUGHLY THIS TIME AND REPEAT HERE WHAT IT SAYS

Is it necessary to covet the titles, be addressed or called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?
Be honest. Put the devil to shame damosky12.

Again, calm down.... COVETING titles is not the case here. Paul and co didn't covet titles
.. They were only being realistic!

A pastor who has laboured to establish a people in Christ have them as His CHILDREN IN THE FAITH. It isn't coveting. It is just the clear case. That's why Paul could say:


"For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."- 2 Corinth 4:15 (ESV)

We don't have to contest this. It pellucid and perspicacious! Too clear!

So the case here is that Jesus Christ CLEARLY stated that a Christian MUST not call another Christian father and Paul CLEARLY called himself the father of other Christians probably because he was not there where Jesus Christ told his disciples that. Now who shall you believe? Jesus Christ or Paul?

adoyi8:
So the case here is that Jesus Christ CLEARLY stated that a Christian MUST not call another Christian father and Paul CLEARLY called himself the father of other Christians probably because he was not there where Jesus Christ told his disciples that. Now who shall you believe? Jesus Christ or Paul?

LOL. Find a good church sir.

Paul, the Apostle was called personally by Jesus. He didn't act or write His epistles outside the leading of the Holy Spirit.

More than half of the new testament books came through his exegesis. Many practices of the church were taught by Him.

Peter acknowledged that...

2 Peter 3:15
[15]... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

To doubt Paul's letters or practices is to doubt Christianity.

You can't separate the sayings of Jesus from Paul. Paul was His Apostle.


Besides, Apostle John who was with Jesus also presented Himself as a father.

1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not....


The issue lies in the misinterpretation of Matthew 23:10.

Thats why I took time to explain the context.

damosky12:



LOL. Find a good church sir.

Paul, the Apostle was called personally by Jesus. He didn't act or write His epistles outside the leading of the Holy Spirit.

More than half of the new testament books came through his exegesis. Many practices of the church were taught by Him.

Peter acknowledged that...

2 Peter 3:15
[15]... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

To doubt Paul's letters or practices is to doubt Christianity.

You can't separate the sayings of Jesus from Paul. Paul was His Apostle.


Besides, Apostle John who was with Jesus also presented Himself as a father.

1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not....


The issue lies in the misinterpretation of Matthew 23:10.

Thats why I took time to explain the context.

Long story sha!
How comes Jesus Christ commanded his followers NEVER to call other followers their Fathers yet 'Inspired' Paul to call himself father of other christians

adoyi8:




Long story sha!
How comes Jesus Christ commanded his followers NEVER to call other followers their Fathers yet 'Inspired' Paul to call himself father of other christians

Jesus did not say for us to call no man father. If that's what he said, that will have to include biological parents..

Jesus only asked his disciples not to be as the Pharisees that desired to be called fathers and asked them not to call them fathers.

The statement he made only applied to the context of relating with the Pharisees. Outside this context, Jesus never made a general command not to acknowledge fathers: Biological and Spiritual...

Religion is a Scam....
The bible says men fall into sin when Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit....Anybody born after that were born sinners.
Why is it that when Jesus Christ was crucify for the sin men, anybody born after that were not saint? if the death of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin..then automatically, everybody on earth today should be saint... not sinner again.
if all of us are still born sinner, what it is the purpose of the death of Jesus to appeal God?
Religion is a scam indeed.

damosky12:


Your " formal religious title" is not needed. This discuss isnt about adopting formal religious titles. Cut the slack on "Daddy G.O". Its just refers to FATHER in the Nigerian church parlance.

Paul referred to himself as a father.

1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Galatians 4:19
[19]My little children, of whom I travail IN BIRTH again until Christ be formed in you...

It'll either be dishonest or grammatically unintelligent for anyone to contest the above. Paul CLEARLY presented himself as a FATHER.



Calm down and learn, sir. Timothy was only written to in the Bible. The whole Bible has no quote at all from Timothy. He never spoke AT ALL in all the Bible. So, we can't tell how he addressed Paul. We can however tell how Paul addressed him.

1 Timothy 1:2
[2]Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith.

If Timothy is the son, who is the father... Again, calm down, sir.




I think it will do you some good to go through the post again... BTW, why bar biological/adopted father? Did Jesus take exception?

I explained well enough and gave proofs why Jesus wasn't giving a law. If he was, then that would mean you shouldn't even call your biological father your father... Yet, the same Jesus called Peter the son of his father...

Hence, if he isn't referring to biological father, he isn't referring to spiritual father as well.

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE POST THOROUGHLY THIS TIME.

Feel free to like again.


InansBobo, mknigeriagreat, Austema, segzyogondus, sirs, CORRECTION is here o.

you too much abeg. Let me see how he will tackle your points

damosky12:


Your " formal religious title" is not needed. This discuss isnt about adopting formal religious titles. Cut the slack on "Daddy G.O". Its just refers to FATHER in the Nigerian church parlance.

Paul referred to himself as a father.

1 Corinthians 4:15
[15]For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Galatians 4:19
[19]My little children, of whom I travail IN BIRTH again until Christ be formed in you...

It'll either be dishonest or grammatically unintelligent for anyone to contest the above. Paul CLEARLY presented himself as a FATHER.



Calm down and learn, sir. Timothy was only written to in the Bible. The whole Bible has no quote at all from Timothy. He never spoke AT ALL in all the Bible. So, we can't tell how he addressed Paul. We can however tell how Paul addressed him.

1 Timothy 1:2
[2]Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith.

If Timothy is the son, who is the father... Again, calm down, sir.




I think it will do you some good to go through the post again... BTW, why bar biological/adopted father? Did Jesus take exception?

I explained well enough and gave proofs why Jesus wasn't giving a law. If he was, then that would mean you shouldn't even call your biological father your father... Yet, the same Jesus called Peter the son of his father...

Hence, if he isn't referring to biological father, he isn't referring to spiritual father as well.

PLEASE DO WELL TO READ THE POST THOROUGHLY THIS TIME.

Feel free to like again.


InansBobo, mknigeriagreat, Austema, segzyogondus, sirs, CORRECTION is here o.

You K now why I decided not to respond to those fighting what concerns them not? I have read through the Bible before growing up as a Christian in a Christian family without the help of the holy Spirit. And I have read the Bible again with the help of the holy Spirit. Even as a Bible believer, I know the difference between those two periods. So someone can't pick up a Bible and read it to me like a newspaper and engage me to discuss (not to argue) the scriptures. The Bible is just too complete for us to start arguing or debating verses. If I decide to enlighten someone through the help of the holy Spirit about some verses and he wouldn't listen, the best I could do is to pray that he encounters God like apostle Paul did and he will come back here firing for Jesus. Amen.

didn't Paul refer to himself as an apostle? does that count?

Peace be Still.

There is nothing wrong in calling your pastor Daddy GO, but when you eventually discover that your pastor have been exploiting you rather than educating you of scriptures, will you still call him Daddy GO?

paxonel:
There is nothing wrong in calling your pastor Daddy GO, but when you eventually discover that your pastor have been exploiting you rather than educating you of scriptures, will you still call him Daddy GO?

Calling someone Daddy G.O is not because they are of perfect morals... Just the same way biological parents can disappoint you, spiritual parents can as well...

The question however is: IS YOUR DADDY G.O YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER? Did he, like Paul to the Corinth church, established you in the gospel?

If that is the man who made you to understand the gospel of Christ, if he is, no matter what happens, he remains your Spiritual father... He or she deserve their honour.


You don't necessarily have to follow them.or attend their church. However, if they are the one who brought you to the knowledge of Christ, they are your father.

damosky12:



LOL. Find a good church sir.

Paul, the Apostle was called personally by Jesus. He didn't act or write His epistles outside the leading of the Holy Spirit.

More than half of the new testament books came through his exegesis. Many practices of the church were taught by Him.

Peter acknowledged that...

2 Peter 3:15
[15]... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

To doubt Paul's letters or practices is to doubt Christianity.

You can't separate the sayings of Jesus from Paul. Paul was His Apostle.


Besides, Apostle John who was with Jesus also presented Himself as a father.

1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not....


The issue lies in the misinterpretation of Matthew 23:10.

Thats why I took time to explain the context.

I feel this verse settle this then still on same 1 Corinthians 4........

1 Corinthians 4:7

For who makes you different from anyone else? (Be it Daddy G. O, or Mother G. O, or Father G. O or children) What do you have (Be it Daddy G. O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children) that you did not receive (Be it Daddy G.O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children)? And if you did receive it (Be it Daddy G.O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children), why do you boast as though you did not?


1 John 2:1 comes in handy......... My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

John is to be seem here as a father yet his fathership have limits. We still have that one Father that is overall.


Those called fathers should not be called so in the absolute sense of it but always contingent on the extent they faithfully reflect the will and wisdom of our heavenly Father and Lifegiver.

achorladey:


I feel this verse settle this then still on same 1 Corinthians 4........

1 Corinthians 4:7

For who makes you different from anyone else? (Be it Daddy G. O, or Mother G. O, or Father G. O or children) What do you have (Be it Daddy G. O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children) that you did not receive (Be it Daddy G.O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children)? And if you did receive it (Be it Daddy G.O, or Mother G.O, or Father G.O or children), why do you boast as though you did not?


1 John 2:1 comes in handy......... My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

John is to be seem here as a father yet his fathership have limits. We still have that one Father that is overall.


Those called fathers should not be called so in the absolute sense of it but always contingent on the extent they faithfully reflect the will and wisdom of our heavenly Father and Lifegiver.

Bros... Learn to always abide within the context of a discussion. The thread only addressed the error in fighting the culture of acknowledging fathers in the Lord.

No one is talking about limits in "fathership" here... Are they fathers? Did the Bible Apostles of Jesus acknowledge themselves as fathers? Did they have children in the Lord? YES. That seals it... Why then go against we acknowledging our spiritual fathers as "Daddy"??

Knowing limits is entirely another different ball game..

damosky12:




Calling someone Daddy G.O is not because they are of perfect morals... Just the same way biological parents can disappoint you, spiritual parents can as well...

The question however is: IS YOUR DADDY G.O YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER? Did he, like Paul to the Corinth church, established you in the gospel?

If that is the man who made you to understand the gospel of Christ, if he is, no matter what happens, he remains your Spiritual father... He or she deserve their honour.


You don't necessarily have to follow them.or attend their church. However, if they are the one who brought you to the knowledge of Christ, they are your father.

very true!
You can regard them as father simply because they brought you into the faith, but you reserve your right not to allow them infect you with their I'll philosophy anymore by stop going to their churches. At that point, they can't be your GO anymore.

Or better, if you are capable of selecting from what they preach the right principles from the wrong ones, you can be going just to select and learn something new that may improve your scriptural understanding .
Just for you and not for them.

damosky12:
Calling someone Daddy G.O is not because they are of perfect morals... Just the same way biological parents can disappoint you, spiritual parents can as well...

The question however is: IS YOUR DADDY G.O YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER? Did he, like Paul to the Corinth church, established you in the gospel?

If that is the man who made you to understand the gospel of Christ, if he is, no matter what happens, he remains your Spiritual father... He or she deserve their honour.


You don't necessarily have to follow them.or attend their church. However, if they are the one who brought you to the knowledge of Christ, they are your father.

paxonel:
very true!
You can regard them as father simply because they brought you into the faith, but you reserve your right not to allow them infect you with their I'll philosophy anymore by stop going to their churches. At that point, they can't be your GO anymore.

Or better, if you are capable of selecting from what they preach the right principles from the wrong ones, you can be going just to select and learn something new that may improve your scriptural understanding .
Just for you and not for them.

Paxonel & damosky12, please answer this questions
1/ Who are those, in that context of Matthew 23:9,
did Jesus say, no one should call father on earth, or no one should address them as father on earth?
2/ Did Paul use the word father as a metaphor
or did Paul use the word father, as a designated religious father or Daddy G.O. title?
3/ Are the Pope, father, Daddy G.O. etcetera of this world, using the word metaphorically or as designated religious titles?
4/ Is it necessary to be addressed or expect to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?
5/ Is it right to take exception, for not being addressed as and/or not to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

MuttleyLaff:


Paxonel & damosky12, please answer this questions
1/ Who are those, in that context of Matthew 23:9,
did Jesus say, no one should call father on earth, or no one should address them as father on earth?

Dear brother... I addressed this over and over again. We can both see these things.
Jesus did not say for one not to acknowledge his father, be it Biological or Spiritual.

The context is clear... Jesus warned, as he always does, against the hypocrisy and pride of the pharisees... How they love to be exalted... Then He warned his disciples not to act such... That's where he spoke about calling another father or Rabbi or desiring to be called same... All applied to the context of not being proud as the Pharisees...

Outside that context, Jesus was not saying for men not to acknowledge their fathers, Spiritual or biological. Don't forget that Spiritual "fathership" was an established Jewish culture (as in the Elijah/Elisha relationship)... Jesus was not speaking against this: acknowledging your Spiritual fathers or biological fathers...

All he said is best understood in the fact that he spoke against cravings to be exalted that the Pharisees had (being called Rabbi (teacher) or Father, etc.) They were no Spiritual fathers as such neither were they genuine teachers, BUT they loved being addressed such. It was more about the cravings of pride in them. That's what Jesus addressed.

2/ Did Paul use the word father as a metaphor
or did Paul use the word father, as a designated religious father or Daddy G.O. title?

Sir, Paul was LITERAL. Spiritual 'fathership' is what Paul spoke about and there are no clues that He was being metaphorical. He was clearly plain!

"For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."- 2 Corinth 4:15 (ESV)


For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. (NASB)

How metaphorical can this be? In a number of places, he was found using the words: " my children", "my son", " my own son in the faith", these words were plain enough to prove the point of His Spiritual parenthood. These words were no coincidences.

3/ Are the Pope, father, Daddy G.O. etcetera of this world, using the word metaphorically or as designated religious titles?

Addressing my Pastor (the man who brought me up in the gospel) as my father isn't meant to be metaphorical. It is real! Spiritual parenthood.

Mind you, "Daddy G.O" as used in many churches RCCG, MFM and the likes are not "designated religious titles" o... They are only informally uses to refer to the pastors who are in deed, fathers of these churches.

Its not about title, its about Spiritual parenthood. Forget "title" for once. Paul didn't refer to himself as father AS A TITLE. He referred to the fact of His Spiritual Parenthood. The same way we don't call biological fathers, 'Dad' as a title but as in recognition of their "Daddyhood". Same applies to the Spiritual.

4/ Is it necessary to be addressed or expect to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

This is just like asking " is it necessary to call your biological father, 'Dad'... The answer is whether or not you acknowledge them as father does not change their Spiritual fatherhood over you...

To acknowledge the fatherhood of those who raised us in the faith is HONOUR. Not to, is dishonour.

However to expect to be called father is faulty... A genuine father doesn't have to desire to be called father. Its what he is if he is.

5/ Is it right to take exception, for not being addressed as and/or not to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

No portion of scripture says " a Spiritual father MUST be called father.". Similarly, none says "a pastor MUST be called pastor".

If I choose, if I were a pastor, not to be called " pastor". Nothing is wrong. However, does that mean I am not a pastor?



Cheers.

Thank you damosky12 brother, for your highly appreciated replies to the five questions.
I however will await paxonel's replies before I call you up on your very interesting responses especially the use of "spiritual" in relation to father and so trying to make a distinction of the essence and meaning of the word.

We will deal with Elijah/Elisha too that you're trying to bring in along with your defense of why it's not wrong to be addressed as Daddy G.O and the likes

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you damosky12 brother, for your highly appreciated replies to the five questions.
I however will await paxonel's replies before I call you up on your very interesting responses especially the use of "spiritual" in relation to father and so trying to make a distinction of the essence and meaning of the word.

We will deal with Elijah/Elisha too that you're trying to bring in along with your defense of why it's not wrong to be addressed as Daddy G.O and the likes

Thank you bro. Please do earnestly reply me while I am available for now. I'll appreciate.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you damosky12 brother, for your highly appreciated replies to the five questions.
I however will await paxonel's replies before I call you up on your very interesting responses especially the use of "spiritual" in relation to father and so trying to make a distinction of the essence and meaning of the word.

We will deal with Elijah/Elisha too that you're trying to bring in along with your defense of why it's not wrong to be addressed as Daddy G.O and the likes

dont wait for anybody, go ahead with your question. I'm learning from all of this. Good job to you and damosky12. I won't be the judge here. Let us be open minded and accept the truth at the end, for our faith to be strengthened.

damosky12:
Thank you bro.
Please do earnestly reply me while I am available for now. I'll appreciate.

GentlePEACE:
dont wait for anybody, go ahead with your question.
I'm learning from all of this. Good job to you and damosky12.
I won't be the judge here.
Let us be open minded and accept the truth at the end, for our faith to be strengthened.

I would have loved to straightaway go ahead with pulling damosky12 on one or two pointers in his last lost
but I am actually on the road, stopping and parking to post this

Besides that GentlePEACE, I would like you as well apart from paxonel's have a shot at replying to those five questions

MuttleyLaff:


Paxonel & damosky12, please answer this questions
1/ Who are those, in that context of Matthew 23:9,
did Jesus say, no one should call father on earth, or no one should address them as father on earth?

going by the fact that the Jewish religious leaders(the scribes and Pharisees) were exploiting the people calling them master and father(matt 23:4),jesus reminded the people that they reserve the right not to call the scribes and Pharisees father or master anymore going by what they have been doing.
It is not a question whether it was wrong or right to call the scribes and Pharisees father or master, christ was only speaking out of the errors he observed among the scribes and the Pharisees which the people put to high estime in those days.

So, the same thing applies, today pastors are put to high estime among the people. They also reserve the right not to do so anymore when they begin to see something wrong in the character of these pastors.
Not that it is right or wrong to estime them and call them daddy GO or father in the first place.

2/ Did Paul use the word father as a metaphor
or did Paul use the word father, as a designated religious father or Daddy G.O. title?

it does not really matter what word is used.
The bottom-line is, they are placed in high estime.

3/ Are the Pope, father, Daddy G.O. etcetera of this world, using the word metaphorically or as designated religious titles?

both metaphorically and religious titles.
Metaphorically in the sense that these titles father or daddy GO are not necessarily showing that they are the biological daddy's of the church members calling them daddy GO or father , But perhaps these church member s are enjoying some spiritual advice from these GO's or fathers which they are not even getting from their biological parents.

4/ Is it necessary to be addressed or expect to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

it's not necessary!
If the individual feels he is benefiting from him calling them the title, afterall we are all entitled to say whatever we want, it's a free world.

5/ Is it right to take exception, for not being addressed as and/or not to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

it is not right in anyway even if the daddy GO or father is paying the school fees of the children of the church member .

Why will you take exception, are you God?

This is a nice stuff! Topics like this should make front page for people to see...