₦airaland Forum

SoNature:
I didn't have the time to read all this, but private universities don't give grants. Harvard and co are the most expensive schools in the world.

Just like Nigeria, u can only enjoy all those in public schools

Again, there's no basis for argument - university education isn't meant for everyone.

We must fix our technical schools so that technicians in China, US and India don't come here and show us skills that university graduates don't even have

This is selfishness, walai. May God not judge you.

esivue007:
i really thank God dat devil no push me to change my first choice varsity to dis yeye skul,imagine 300k!!!! For wetin?

300k for four years or a year... which one?

Bro i will ask dis few qustions do u no the school call lautech?...do u attend the school?....do u no if the price hacked worth it?....man am an ex ladokite the school dont worth is at all....cause it has nothing to show for it.....even the 120k is to much for some parents....come to think of it a parent with 3 children will now pay 900k a year....and no quality education....man all i will say lautech dont worth the price at all i mean at all.....
O-TORREX

divinelove:
stop crying already, I am not the cause of your abject poverty

if you can't afford the fees go and learn handwork so u can afford it for your children

we can't have poor facilities in school just to accommodate pauper like you n your Father

oshey, awon eeyan O.B.0... Ko Mura si oo, sogbo ?

divinelove:
stop crying already, I am not the cause of your abject poverty

if you can't afford the fees go and learn handwork so u can afford it for your children

we can't have poor facilities in school just to accommodate pauper like you n your Father

tables turn bro! Just because you are rich today don't mean you can't be poor tomorrow. While making your opinion known does not require you insulting some ones father, it shows the supposedly expensive education you got was a waste or you were not just well trained. Back to the issue, it may interest you to know that with 18k min wage, no government worker will be able to afford education for his or her child. Does that make sense to you? The country is in a bad shape, the privileged and the less privileged should speak without one voice and tackle the government until they do what is right instead of fighting and looking down on ourselves.

divinelove:
stop crying already, I am not the cause of your abject poverty

if you can't afford the fees go and learn handwork so u can afford it for your children

we can't have poor facilities in school just to accommodate pauper like you n your Father

I put it to you brov, your father is a very poor man.... Continue enjoying you e-affluence... Empty barrel makes the loudest noise

delpee:
Most unfair! This is not an issue to be trivalised. Anyone can be poor at any time in life's course. There are many examples of children whose parents died or suddenly fell into hard times.

By the way, those who sought admission there planned based on the old fees with a probable minimal increase over time. This is more than 100% increase at once! How many public servants can easily afford that on their 18k minimum wage pay?

God bless the leaders of old who gave out scholarships and bursaries to students irrespective of their backgrounds. I benefited from that and i didn't have to lobby or settle anyone. The bursary covered fees and some feeding allowance. That's free education in a way and it's what we need now for indigent students.

Don't mind the broker forming big boy on nairaland. If he continues posting nonsense I will expose him with his kiica phone.

divinelove:
sorry bro it's my opinion and you don't have to accept it. Quality education is not something we have to be sentimental about or lower standards for? Not everyone needs higher education. Have a nice day.

For a country like Nigeria where govt has failed to make the standard of living better, the govt has massive role to play in helping subsidize education..

When u compare this with minimum wage, u would know that it is a no no development.

Even the developed countries with better economic programmes for her citizens have various degrees of educational packages to make it easier for the citizens to access quality education at a subsidized price..


We all know that Nigeria govt have failed to make standard of living better..

In a country with poor minimum wage, no electricity, no water, no standard transport system, the citizens are left to source for these things by them selves from their poor minimum wage. U still judge them for complaining about this? I don't think u are being fair about the Nigerian masses..


This is not about going to work hard and poverty bla bla bla..This is about the govt doing what they are paid to do..

With what I'm seeing, Nigeria is in big trouble Becus when the greater percentage of the population are poor and under paid, and they are also denied education, mehn, not even u, not the wealthy class can escape the wrath..

When those guys can't find what to eat or make better informed decisions, they will come after the wealthy class and kidnap them for ransom.

That is why u see boko Haram of today, kidnappers of today, suicide bombers of today, rapist etc... These people activities also affect the so called wealthy class..

We should justify govt failure because it will affect us all be u a rich citizen, average or poor citizen..

divinelove:
Quality education is not cheap.

300k is fair enough provided students enjoy improved facilities

Everyone must not go to school, those who can't afford it should learn handwork.

modified
300k can't even pay the school fees in a standard primary school in Nigeria for a year and some people are quoting me to to talk nonsense

Words can't comprehend the foolishness writing all over your post. Yes, $850 is dirt cheap for Quality education. But when the school mentioned here is located in Nigeria and owned by the government, corruption comes into play. 90% of the funds realized will go missing over and over again.

Yes! Everyone has a right to education. In sane countries it is your right to attend college if you wish to, their are tons of options available for you which I know your aware of. Don't make this country more difficult for the next person, we want a better Nigeria, but we are wicked and very selfish. Why didn't you learn the hand work then, just because your parents could afford to pay your school fees doesn't make the poor man's kid unfortunate. Stop this nonsense, life itself is unfair to everyone at some point.

divinelove:
sorry bro it's my opinion and you don't have to accept it. Quality education is not something we have to be sentimental about or lower standards for? Not everyone needs higher education. Have a nice day.

people like you deserved to be guillotined

CodeTemplar:
https://m.guardian.ng/features/education/balancing-rhetoric-and-action-in-varsity-funding/


It is common knowledge fed uni gets 11billion in addition to about 2-4 billion extra from tetfund and revenues. Unilag has 40,000 student and that gives us another means of estimating the average cost of educating a student yearly.

These are easily verifiable facts so stop saying they are mere funding campaign strategy.

Do the math bro, using your facts, 11b divided by 400k students is 27500 per student. Where then is the 300k subsidy? Now apart from these subventions, schools still generate funds from sundry fees including but not limited to tuition so Bro don't justify the unjustifiable.

Also you were talking about subsidy for amongst other things labs..... For real.... LABS Which labs are equipped?

You mentioned salaries..... Are salaries paid from subventions?

Power: How many institutions actually pay their utility bills?

How many hostels are in decent habitable shape and sanitary condition?

Bro get your head out your ass

SoNature:
I didn't have the time to read all this, but private universities don't give grants. Harvard and co are the most expensive schools in the world.

Just like Nigeria, u can only enjoy all those in public schools

Again, there's no basis for argument - university education isn't meant for everyone.

We must fix our technical schools so that technicians in China, US and India don't come here and show us skills that university graduates don't even have

You are part of the educational decay because if you read all I wrote, you would have inferred that the focus of my write up was on public tertiary institutions like Lautech and the failure/inadequacy of government's current administration of that sector and it's funding. I also asked questions about why our technical schools have been allowed to run aground where they are even available. Also, do your research public schools in the Us do offer student loans, scholarships and grants. There are also job centers to help provide employment for students willing to do some work on the side towards making a little cash to pay back and make ends meet.

CodeTemplar:
Everything that goes onto the education they provide. power, water, labs, salaries, structures etc. stop the excuses.

Bro you should stop the excuses.

Let the institutions prove with independent audited financial statements what they are currently using their fund inflows for and if they are being efficiently used.

Also any university worth its salt, should be able to provide innovative solutions to help improve the quality of education and the standard they offer. For example, provide free land for private investors to develop quality hostel accommodation at subsided rates for students whilst spreading costs and profits over the long term.

divinelove:
Quality education is not cheap.

300k is fair enough provided students enjoy improved facilities

Everyone must not go to school, those who can't afford it should learn handwork.

modified
300k can't even pay the school fees in a standard primary school in Nigeria for a year and some people are quoting me to to talk nonsense

which improved facilities?

divinelove:
Quality education is not cheap.

300k is fair enough provided students enjoy improved facilities

Everyone must not go to school, those who can't afford it should learn handwork.

modified
300k can't even pay the school fees in a standard primary school in Nigeria for a year and some people are quoting me to to talk nonsense

Well. at least you are enlighten enough to know that quality education isn't cheap anywhere in this world. Let's use America as a case study, "According to College Board, published tuition fees for 2017/18 at state colleges are an average of US $9,970 for state residents, and $25,620 for everyone else. This compares to an average of $34,740 at private non-profit colleges."

But when we look at those paying the school fess i.e the parents, we need to check the ratio of school fees to paycheck.

In Nigeria today, the minimum wage, correct me if I'm wrong, is 18,000 Naira. Let's say a civil servant with a salary of 600000 Naira per annum(50K per month being the average of Oyo and Osun civil servants) sends his ward to a school like Lautech(Most students there are of Osun/Oyo origin and have civil servants as parent) and being asked to pay 300K per annum, that results in a ratio of 0.5 which means he will be spending half of his salary on school fees of one child.

grossintel:
Words can't comprehend the foolishness writing all over your post. Yes, $850 is dirt cheap for Quality education. But when the school mentioned here is located in Nigeria and owned by the government, corruption comes into play. 90% of the funds realized will go missing over and over again.

Yes! Everyone has a right to education. In sane countries it is your right to attend college if you wish to, their are tons of options available for you which I know your aware of. Don't make this country more difficult for the next person, we want a better Nigeria, but we are wicked and very selfish. Why didn't you learn the hand work then, just because your parents could afford to pay your school fees doesn't make the poor man's kid unfortunate. Stop this nonsense, life itself is unfair to everyone at some point.

There are tons of options, yes in sane countries.

Mostly in student loans, which you pay back once you get a job. Scholarships also exist,but most of them are not fully funded.(In the US, student loan debt is a big issue.)

And in sane countries like Denmark and Germany where education is free...it comes at the cost of high taxes. Very high tax rate of 50% of your income.

And in the

obi58:
Do the math bro, using your facts, 11b divided by 400k students is 27500 per student. Where then is the 300k subsidy? Now apart from these subventions, schools still generate funds from sundry fees including but not limited to tuition so Bro don't justify the unjustifiable.

Also you were talking about subsidy for amongst other things labs..... For real.... LABS Which labs are equipped?

You mentioned salaries..... Are salaries paid from subventions?

Power: How many institutions actually pay their utility bills?

How many hostels are in decent habitable shape and sanitary condition?

Bro get your head out your ass

1. Subventions do pay for salaries (it is worked into the budget).

2.Our labs in the universites are poorly equipped. Hence the money

3.Yes, universites pay power bills...that's a small reason why fees are going up...because now with the privatization of power, everyone has to pay their bills. (It comes under overhead costs...which one VC was complaining are not fully funded by government).

4.Most hostels are in a poor state. THAT is a small part of the reason why fees have to go up...to put them back in decent shape.,, and to build more of them (or we end up doing what the UK has done and privatise them.).

obi58:
Bro you should stop the excuses.

Let the institutions prove with independent audited financial statements what they are currently using their fund inflows for and if they are being efficiently used.

Also any university worth its salt, should be able to provide innovative solutions to help improve the quality of education and the standard they offer. For example, provide free land for private investors to develop quality hostel accommodation at subsided rates for students whilst spreading costs and profits over the long term.

1.I agree re audit. Universites do have a corruption problem (Making them public private might help)

2.You can only innovate if you have the cash to do so. BECAUSE....who pays for the new innovaitons.

3.Subsidised accomodation needs money. And the thing about subsidies...one is determining the amount of profit a private businessman should earn. Which in real life leads to companies running at a loss (and that is why we have fuel crisis in Nigeria...because subsidy essentially involves govt telling marketers how much they should makein profit...something if govt were to do to everyone else would lead to wholescale scarcity and crisis)

ElRapido:
Well. at least you are enlighten enough to know that quality education isn't cheap anywhere in this world. Let's use America as a case study, "According to College Board, published tuition fees for 2017/18 at state colleges are an average of US $9,970 for state residents, and $25,620 for everyone else. This compares to an average of $34,740 at private non-profit colleges."

But when we look at those paying the school fess i.e the parents, we need to check the ratio of school fees to paycheck.

In Nigeria today, the minimum wage, correct me if I'm wrong, is 18,000 Naira. Let's say a civil servant with a salary of 600000 Naira per annum(50K per month being the average of Oyo and Osun civil servants) sends his ward to a school like Lautech(Most students there are of Osun/Oyo origin and have civil servants as parent) and being asked to pay 300K per annum, that results in a ratio of 0.5 which means he will be spending half of his salary on school fees of one child.

1. In America, most parents don't earn enough to pay for their kids college/university educaiton. So from day one,kids in the US hustle for scholarships (limited) and loans (which provide most of the funding)....and this leads to students getting into high debt.
(As an example , I once saw a programe where an American doctor stated that she had student debts of $150000 from four years of medical school).
And once you get a job, you start paying the debt back.
In the US, there are alternatives...techincal schools/colleges/community colleges....which run at lower costs,and provide one with job skills...but most people want college.
And the figure you quoted is average. Many schools have fees higher than that.

2.Things are hard in Nigeria...but even then, we have scholarships, some states pay bursaries. What we don't have is loans. I think we need to provide more scholarships, bursaries,etc. Or we take another loan from the IMF...which temporarily solves the problem....but leaves a large debt burden.

I don't like saying this...but education is too too expensive.In the USA ,high taxes fund primary and secondary public education. It isn;t sunfficent for the university.

Yawns

You are going to close Lautech niyen o!

Imagine this country.. Nigeria tire me

you are mad, were you not the one who posted useless article the president Buhari has increased the price of beer on the June 7 2018 by 11:37, if people like you have their ways to the top people will suffer, useless Animal, good for nothing idiot.

DrHighchief:
which improved facilities?

you are mad, were you not the one who posted useless article the president Buhari has increased the price of beer on the June 7 2018 by 11:37, if people like you have their ways to the top people will suffer, useless Animal, good for nothing idiot.
am sorry this message is not for you is for that Animal called "divine love "

you are mad, were you not the one who posted useless article the president Buhari has increased the price of beer on the June 7 2018 by 11:37, if people like you have their ways to the top people will suffer, useless Animal, good for nothing idiot.

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divinelove:
stop crying already, I am not the cause of your abject poverty

if you can't afford the fees go and learn handwork so u can afford it for your children

we can't have poor facilities in school just to accommodate pauper like you n your Father

If your father is so rich, he should assist to pay for a good number of those who can't afford to pay.

It is finished

divinelove:
Quality education is not cheap.

300k is fair enough provided students enjoy improved facilities

Everyone must not go to school, those who can't afford it should learn handwork.

modified
300k can't even pay the school fees in a standard primary school in Nigeria for a year and some people are quoting me to to talk nonsense

will you keep quite . what is the average take home of Nigerians. do you know the minimum wage in this country nn
I have graduated since 2010 don't think I am speaking for myself.

Buffalowings3:
All your leaders were beneficiaries of free education. Hell majority of them were under scholarships from the govt
What has Nigeria ever done for you?
Granted, money is required to maintain the standard yet Education needs to be made affordable.
Public schools have been chronically underfunded because of some section in this country.

1.As at the time most of our leaders were going to university, the number of students in university was at a manageable level.Plus we had six universites then.
Part of the reason why we have funding issues in Nigerian educaiton was that in the 1970's govt took over many schools, kept on building new ones, and admitted higher number of students. As a results...we have too many schools, and limited funding today (Some years ago, states like Lagos and Ogun handed over schools back to missions).

Plus, scholarships were there, but they were limited. Not eveyrone benefited by the way.

And not every young Nigerian went to university. People of our leaders era wrote Olevels....which had to be passed at a certain level before they qualified for A levels., which were written 2 years later. And had to be passed at a certain level. (Yes, it was harder to get into university then.5 credits at O level got one of my uncles into teacher training college...not university...back in the 1970's )

2.Chronic underfunding of schools,as I said was due to the massive expansion of primary, secondary and tertiary schools in the country since the 1970's, without any provision for their continued maintenance.

In 2009...the ASUU/FG agreement stated/established that universites needed 1.5 trillion yearly in annual funding for it to be 'adequate' (I don;t know how much our primary, secondary and other tertiary schools likepolys need). Our budget was N8 trillion this year, N5 trillion in 2015. And most of it is funded from loans and taxes. You do the math.(That's why GEJ told ASUU the plain truth in 2013 that govt could not pay 1.5 trillion yearly)

AfroMighty:
Thank God I left the school for Futminna during the previous strike...
come and see the way my friends are shouting....

How's Futminna like?

pfadom:
You no get work. So Nairaland has got you occupied.

Mind your busy you quidnunc B.O.A.T #BusyBodyOfAllTme

divinelove:
sorry bro it's my opinion and you don't have to accept it. Quality education is not something we have to be sentimental about or lower standards for? Not everyone needs higher education. Have a nice day.

You're foolish beyond belief! So, you think quality education is directly related to the amount the citizens pay to acquire it? What then is the primary duties of government if not to provide basic health care, quality education & social amenities. You're the foo.lish one here if you don't know.


You seem like one who is low on cerebral fuel.

Your argument is that developed countries pay heavily for university education which result in better university education for citizens.
1. My first question is that is our minimum wage the same as these countries?
2. In these countries students have access to loans,grants,scholarships which means so far you are a brilliant and hardworking students, you will surely be able to go to the university, but in Nigerian situation, our public primary schools are worse enough that it only takes God to make a brilliant children to still remain brilliant with classes where roofs are leaking, or no roofs,inadequate teachers,abused children, mentally disturbed teachers(teachers that's has not been paid for months will be mentally disturbed, might have depression, anxiety e.t.c) plus the fact that scholarship is only meant for people with connections too if there are any.
3. At abroad, so far you are an hardworking person, you will be able to send your children to the university, but here in Nigeria, come to the the cities, villages and see hardworking people, sweating all day and nights but they are still poor. Because the Nigerian environment is not enabling
4. At abroad, getting a job is not difficult, once they finish the university they are able to secure jobs to pay for their debts,in Nigeria after all the high payment, still there won't be any job,which makes it lost upon lost.
My conclusion is that most people in developed countries who do not go to the university is due to the fact that they have no interest, or find something better to do,or they are lazy and couldn't find thier ways,but as a Nigerian, most parent won't mind to suffer to make sure their children attend the universities but truth is the suffering is not even available for them to do that will make them afford such unless they go into robbery,Yahoo,ritualsetc . With increments in school fees,we will only end up having kidnappers, yahoo boys,ritualist,bokoharams in the country