Asalam alaykum warahmatulah wabarakatuhu .. brothers and sisters...... some people are spreading shubha concerning bida, its meaning, its division, its judgement .. am going to explain it all here.. for best understanding of the issue; visit voiceofthesalaf.com and download lectures on bida ...

Bidha means innovation. There are 2 types of bidha. .bidha of the world and bidha of the deen. 1. Bidha of the world is every new thing, every innovation that is introduced to the world. We are free to use it as long as nothing is against it in islam. for example, aeroplane, motor, clothings, mobile phone, house designs and decorations and so on.. Gold, silk are also bidha of the world but ALLAH forbids male to use gold and wearing of silk clothings. . .

Bidha of the deen has so many definitions but i prefer quran definition of bidha . . Surat sura verse 21 and suratul maidah verse 3.. From hadith, muslim 1401 and bukhari 1506

Bidha of the deen simply means MAKING LAW INTO THE DEEN ...

3 ways of identifying bidha. 1. akikiyah 2. idofiyah 3. takiyah

Akikiyah = has no proof. e.g moulid nabiy, shia ashura(cutting themselves), sect, salatu fatui, kaola, khuruj tabliq, I.D.P camp and other things that people do as an act of w0rship that has no pr0of

Idofiyah = has proof but they will add their own to it. e.g. making adhan has proof but shia add their own w0rds to adhan, salat for rasul has proof but sufi adding solatu fathie makes it bidha, adkaar has proof, but sufi gathering and shouting in doing adkaar, dua to make after adhan, its for people listening to the adhan n0t the pers0n that make adhan, dawah has dalil in islam but using bible for dawah, ijade tabliq(3, 4, 6, months or wh0le life), after ablution, saying the adkar loud, putting water in the m0uth, raising finger, looking up was added. . .and so ohn

Takiyah _ this seems the hardest for people to n0tice. . its simply the act of w0rship that rasul did in a place and didnt do in an0ther place. .e.g. adhan, he didnt make adhan in salatu janazah or the 2 eid(s), ..to simplify it.. things that sahabahs didnt say or write that rasul did.. e.g. the hadith of shuhadah(battle of huhud), they were no bathe, they were all buried together ... that is what rasul did.. so we musnt deviate fr0m it orelse we fall into bida

Suratul muhammad verse 33, suratul hujrat verse 1 = we (muslims) must follow ALLAH and rasul ONLY ..

Now that we have understand what bida means . . . i am sure the judgement is obvious... ALLAH said in maidah verse 3 that islam is complete(since the rasul era) ..meaning that whatever is n0t practise as an act of worship then, CANNOT be an act of worship now.. Simply put, whatever act of worship rasul didnt do nor command is bida... the judgement is so easy to draw out.. anybody that does bida, directly or indirectly says he/she does not believe in that aayah. . . . . . . and whoever does reject quran aayah is a kafir, zindiq,muktadhir,unbeliever,disbeliever ...

These are the shubha people do bring to distort and change the judgement of bida. . 1. mistakes of the sahabahs 2. mistakes and mis-interpretations of scholars

Mistakes of the sahabahs . . . . . .. sahabahs are good people and most of them lived with rasul, fight war and kill kafirs, were given joyous news of al jahna. . . sahabahs can never go against rasul judgement intentionally. . . . its in the aqeedah of muslims never to follow the mistakes of sahabahs or scholars.. as long as sahabahs does or say something that is against rasul actions or sayings IT IS NOT A PROOF, IT IS NEVER A PROOF ... we must not and cannot condemn sahabahs because of their mistakes .. marwan made a mistake, its akham issue. .there is "ignorance" in the conditions to be fufiled.. he did what he did because he thought it was right, he made a mistake due to his ignorance .. MARWAN issue or mistake isnt a proof and cant be used as a proof in any islamic issue ...

If you insist that you want to use sahabah mistakes to divide bida. . then you will have to use umar mistake to divide talaq, you will have to use abu hurairah mistakes in making ablution to divide ablution abi? ..sahabahs mistakes cant be used in any fatwa of islamic jurisdiction judging

The Issue of abu israil . . . its so much clear.. abu israil make a vow:; said he will stand in sun, he wont talk and he wil fast .. 1. the vow make all he said an ibaadah 2. all he said and act in this situation is bida. 3. not all ahlu bida is a kafir because of the conditions stated by ALLAH in glorious quran 1. forgetfulness 2. mistake 3. misunderstanding 4. forcefulness 5. ignorance(applicable in the matters of akham only) ... 4. abu israil did not become a kafir because the conditions that can make him a kafir was not met in him. . 1. rasul command him to leave the sun, 2. to sit, 3. to talk 4. and to continue his fasting... ..its very clear here that abu israil, due to his ignorance, wanted to worship ALLAH with what ALLAH didnt command, but when he was corrected by rasul, he listened and follow rasul. . .THAT IS EXACTLY WHY HE IS NOT A KAFIR NOR AHLU BIDA . . ..using this to divide bida is absolutely baseless

2. Mistakes of the scholars . . . scholars divided bida into mukafiroh and mufasikoh . . .which has no proof. . mukafiroh was placed in aqeedah issue and mufasikoh was placed in akham issue . . which has no proof. . . mukafiroh by them is "worshiping the grave" and mufasikoh is "calling upon who is in the grave" . . even the example that was bring by them is so conflicting . . .and it has no dalil

Also the issue of "kulu" and "dolala" . . . kulu in the hadith of rasul about bida means "every" because nothing anywhere depicts or rem0ve anything fr0m the kulu . . . and dolala there is kufru because of the word bidha. . every bidha is kufru

SIN IS NOT IN BIDHA NOR BIDHA IS SIN AND KUFRU . . . if u said bidha is sin, what u are saying is that rejecting quran verse is a sin like theft, prostitution, killing, lies and others .. and you have also condemn all sinners into hell . .because what you are saying is that 'every bidha is sin, and every sin is in hell' . . and as we all know, sinners case is called tata matia. . ALLAH might not punish and might punish . . with you condemning them all to hell, u are making an0ther bida, rejecting quran verse and ALLAH judgement

And if you say bidha is sin and also kufru . .you have rejected rasul hadith and replaced it with your own. . this is exactly what u are saying... every bidha is kufru and sin, and every kufru and sin is in hell . . .. like we said earlier, n0b0dy can say a sinner will go to hell. . because their case is tata matia. . for example, in hadith of rasul, a sahabah is always getting drunk and punished by rasul, one of the sahabah got angry and curse him, rasul rebuked him and said he(the sahabah that do get drunk) loves ALLAH and rasul . . . where as in another hadith . .muslim 1401, rasul stated it clearly that whoever deviate from his sunnah is n0t his follower ...meaning that bida makes you a kafir ..

Bida is believed to be an act of worship WHILE sin is a sin and never an act of worship . . . . . . . . . . . Ahlu Bida believes that he/she will get rewarded by doing his/her bida WHILE a sinner knows that what he/she is doing is n0t good and that bad deeds will be recorded for him/her . . . . . . . .Ahlu bidha do not and wont repent from his/her jagorns that he/she believes to be worship WHILE sinners do repent . . . . . . . .Ahlu bida who dies in bida will end up in hell WHILE sinners may n0t be punished or might be punished .. .. Ahlu bida will never drink from the water that rasul will give his ummah to drink on judgement day WHILE sinners will drink fr0m the water

BIDHA IS KUFRU (no matter how big or small) ... ...

Mr boko haram .

I have questions for you, from the tape you crammed and poured here

ShaheedBinAliyu:
3 ways of identifying bidha. 1. akikiyah 2. idofiyah 3. takiyah

Did the prophet say this ^^^^^^ ? If yes, please give us reference from your collection of hadeeth

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Now that we have understand what bida means . . . i am sure the judgement is obvious... ALLAH said in maidah verse 3 that islam is complete(since the rasul era) ..meaning that whatever is n0t practise as an act of worship then, CANNOT be an act of worship now.. Simply put, whatever act of worship rasul didnt do nor command is bida... the judgement is so easy to draw out.. anybody that does bida, directly or indirectly says he/she does not believe in that aayah. . . . . . . and whoever does reject quran aayah is a kafir, zindiq,muktadhir,unbeliever,disbeliever ...

OK.

I have been to jabata's mosque and I discovered there is a place specifically made for imam in his mosque , the prophet never built nor make any provision of such neither did he command anybody including his companions to do such , since you defined sunnah as what the prophet said or did . I want to know why jabata made a place for imam in his mosque [ I only want hadeeth ] and don't use companion as a reference for me

Because according to you

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Mistakes of the sahabahs . . . . . .. sahabahs are good people and most of them lived with rasul, fight war and kill kafirs, were given joyous news of al jahna. . . sahabahs can never go against rasul judgement intentionally ...….. Its in the aqeedah of muslims never to follow the mistakes of sahabahs or scholars.. as long as sahabahs does or say something that is against rasul actions or sayings IT IS NOT A PROOF, IT IS NEVER A PROOF ...
we must not and cannot condemn sahabahs because of their mistakes .. marwan made a mistake, its akham issue. .there is "ignorance" in the conditions to be fufiled.. he did what he did because he thought it was right, he made a mistake due to his ignorance .. MARWAN issue or mistake isnt a proof and cant be used as a proof in any islamic issue ...

All I want are hadeeths , just hadeeths , I don't want story just DALIL

Fundamentalist:
Mr boko haram .

I have questions for you, from the tape you crammed and poured here




Did the prophet say this ^^^^^^ ? If yes, please give us reference from your collection of hadeeth



OK.

I have been to jabata's mosque and I discovered there is a place specifically made for imam in his mosque , the prophet never built nor make any provision of such neither did he command anybody including his companions to do such , since you defined sunnah as what the prophet said or did . I want to know why jabata made a place for imam in his mosque [ I only want hadeeth ] and don't use companion as a reference for me

Because according to you



All I want are hadeeths , just hadeeths , I don't want story just DALIL

MR. IZALA . . google is your friend

ShaheedBinAliyu:
MR. IZALA . . google is your friend

Mr boko haram

Are you afraid

Or is it that there is no proof for it

It took you 10 hours to search in Google and yet you couldn't find the answer

I need the hadeeth ASAP

Let me give you a clue, call jabata ( Al muhaddeth ) and ask him

I'm still waiting for it ooooo

As I said earlier me and you don put leg inside same trouser

Fundamentalist:


Mr boko haram

Are you afraid

Or is it that there is no proof for it

It took you 10 hours to search in Google and yet you couldn't find the answer

I need the hadeeth ASAP

Let me give you a clue, call jabata ( Al muhaddeth ) and ask him

I'm still waiting for it ooooo

As I said earlier me and you don put leg inside same trouser

TSW

ShaheedBinAliyu:
TSW

Give me what I asked

I only asked for hadeeth

After all your name is kitabu wa sunnah.

I'm still waiting for my hadeeth Mr boko haram

S

Fundamentalist:
S

Concerning the ways of identifying bidah...

It's very easy.. I will get you the name of the Tira and the name of sheik that did it..



...

Your question number 2.. Building a separate place for imam as how.. Explain

Fundamentalist:
S

Before I give you the name of the sheik and the Tira..


I will first give you dalil on how to identify bidah..


Suratul maidah verse 3.
Hadith

وَحَدَّثَنَاهُ حَامِدُ بْنُ عُمَرَ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَاصِمٌ، قَالَ قُلْتُ لأَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ أَحَرَّمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْمَدِينَةَ قَالَ نَعَمْ مَا بَيْنَ كَذَا إِلَى كَذَا فَمَنْ أَحْدَثَ فِيهَا حَدَثًا - قَالَ - ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي هَذِهِ شَدِيدَةٌ ‏

‏ مَنْ أَحْدَثَ فِيهَا حَدَثًا فَعَلَيْهِ لَعْنَةُ اللَّهِ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ لاَ يَقْبَلُ اللَّهُ مِنْهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ صَرْفًا وَلاَ عَدْلاً ‏"

‏ ‏‏ قَالَ فَقَالَ ابْنُ أَنَسٍ أَوْ آوَى مُحْدِثًا ‏‏

Asim reported:

I asked Anas b. Malik whether Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had declared Medina as sacred. He said: Yes. (the area) between so and so. He who made any innovation in it, and further said to me: It is something serious to make any innovation in it (and he who does it) there is upon him the curse of Allah, and that of the angels and of all the people, Allah will not accept from him on the Day of Resurrection either obligatory acts or the surpererogatory acts. Ibn Anas said: Or he accommodates an innovator.



Sahih Muslim 1366
In-book : Book 15, Hadith 527
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 7, Hadith 3159  (deprecated)
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As long as it's innovation (new thing, NOT done by rosul and it's ibaadah).. It's bidah

Go read Tira sheik Saleem helahli on bidah. Page 11