bigrovar:

Please sir ans this why purchase a hybrid ipowerplus and still use a charge controller. Is that not waste of funds? Or am I missing something? I am still researching before I make my decision and I recently changed my mind from icell to ipowerplus 2kva and I don't intend buying a charge controller. Pls do ans this question I plan on using tubular battery 220ah or 200ah x 2

Namzy:

Please sir ans this why purchase a hybrid ipowerplus and still use a charge controller. Is that not waste of funds? Or am I missing something? I am still researching before I make my decision and I recently changed my mind from icell to ipowerplus 2kva and I don't intend buying a charge controller. Pls do ans this question

What sort of batteries do you intend to use? If flooded you will need a separate cc to enable you properly charge and equalise the batteries.

kiekie1:

Okay Baba, let's meet in the other room as usual !

Hello Kiekie

Please enlighten me a bit. What do you use all these dead batteries for ? Been wondering.

Please for a 50 litre 1500 watt water heater what is the ideal setting for a programmable timer since it will be on solar only operation?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

DUNKA:
Please for a 50 litre 1500 watt water heater what is the ideal setting for a programmable timer since it will be on the solar only operation?

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Will the timer cutoff the heater? I would say 2 hours before bath time and off immediately after the last bath time.
It is very difficult to predict the water heater timings as they change based on ambient temp , User and stored water temp ( underground is cool. overhead tanks normally reach 30 + during bright sunny days)

DUNKA:
What sort of batteries do you intend to use? If flooded you will need a separate cc to enable you properly charge and equalise the batteries.

Yes tubular batteries why can't the inverter charge it from mains and solar is it not hybrid again?

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babaegun:


Hello Kiekie

Please enlighten me a bit. What do you use all these dead batteries for ? Been wondering.

Why wondering ! Instead of throwing them away which is hazardous, simply contact us and get paid in return, no matter the number of decades you have used the batteries !! Cheer's

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Poly crystalline panels are also effective !

I have encountered numerous questions pertaining mono vs poly crystalline solar panel efficiency .. See short video clip which entails Solar charged water heater illustration, pay special attention to 11:07


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQM5OCUNOw

kiekie1:


Why wondering ! Instead of throwing them away which is hazardous, simply contact us and get paid in return, no matter the number of decades you have used the batteries !! Cheer's

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Question remain unanswered: what do you use it for? Do you recycle them, dispose of them or you resale to those why recycle?

mank1234:


Question remain unanswered: what do you use it for? Do you recycle them, dispose of them or you resale to those why recycle?

Haha see bumper 2 bumper ?z bombardment .. Your questions are all self explicit Sir ! Recycling isn't a hidden topic Bro .. Don't overstress some issues as it ain't always worth the stress Bro .. Cheer's

kiekie1:


Haha see bumper 2 bumper ?z bombardment .. Your questions are all self explicit Sir ! Recycling isn't a hidden topic Bro .. Don't overstress some issues as it ain't always worth the stress Bro .. Cheer's

Hmmm, see as Oga kiekie dey dodge questions like bullet

Oga Pranil,

I wanted to give an update on my DIY automatic transfer switch experiment - so I ended up sticking with the relay for those locations running security lights and making use of a contactor (LC1 D25008 - 4 Pole with 2NO/2NC) such as you recommended for those with inductive loads.

The principle of operation for these transfer switches is that inverter always powers the loads within a user defined window (set by a timer switch) attached to the NC contacts while Mains Power on the NO contacts will always override inverter output whenever available.

The contactors are able to tolerate low voltage (up to 185v AC) without any chatter and much to my surprise the transfer times are fast enough that the equipment (freezer compressor motor) does not seem to notice the changeover.

Apologies for the messy wiring and single color code as these are still experimental at the various locations and we just cobble things together with whatever parts happen to be available - once they satisfy proof of concept for 3 months I will set them up more professionally. Also, although I should know better, I switch only the live contacts and leave the neutrals common outside the circuit

I had asked before if there was a need to put in a circuit breaker between the inverter and Mains power sources to protect against a possible short circuit if the relay/contactor were to fail to disengage the NC and engage the NO contacts in an elegant manner or vice versa - what do you think please?

See pictures below...

pranil:


it is rather simple. Buy a 12 V coil relay and ded the coil through aAC /DC power supply ( you can find one easily ) popularly known as battery eliminator

I do this for all my control circuits as it makes them safe to handle. also the 12 V control parts are cheaper and easier to find on both continents ( US , UK )

alternatively, use this which has batter contact rating for mains then the omron one you are using as it is nor rated to pen inductive loads

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CJX2-CJX2-0910-LC1-ac-contactor-24V-AC-9A-50HZ-60HZ-orginal-lc1-0910-24v-free/856880658.html

every contractor has duty cycle and for load changeover you need 7-A or 7 B duty cycle to ensure long life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilization_categories

My Ogas Sinistrian and Makavele.

You folks bought the MorningStar CCs but are yet to provide user reviews a couple of months down the road!

Please let the house have your experience(s), the good, the bad and the ugly so we may possibly persuade new converts into the MorningStar fold with our genuine end user reviews

If there are any tweaks or customizations or special use cases you have implemented, please let the house benefit from your experience with these as well.

Namzy:

Please sir ans this why purchase a hybrid ipowerplus and still use a charge controller. Is that not waste of funds? Or am I missing something? I am still researching before I make my decision and I recently changed my mind from icell to ipowerplus 2kva and I don't intend buying a charge controller. Pls do ans this question I plan on using tubular battery 220ah or 200ah x 2

The answer is simple. I had the 2 charge controllers before getting the axpert inverter. The controller has more features and better charge algorithm and performance than the axpert. Lastly I am a convert of the Unix philosophy a tool that does one thing and does it well. Axpert is best an inverter which is what I use it for.

babaegun:


Hello Kiekie

Please enlighten me a bit. What do you use all these dead batteries for ? Been wondering.

lead acid is 99% cyclicable so there is money to be made from buying old dead batteries and selling them to recycle companies home and abroad.

Namzy:

Yes tubular batteries why can't the inverter charge it from mains and solar is it not hybrid again?

You will need a separate cc. In my experience tubular batteries need to be equalized at 64 volts and unfortunately the Axpert hybrid won't be able to reach that voltage. The cc matrix of the Axpert seems overwhelmed when you are using flooded batteries. My advise is get a separate cc or your batteries will fail within 6 to 10 months if solely using the hybrid inverter.

pranil:


Will the timer cutoff the heater? I would say 2 hours before bath time and off immediately after the last bath time.
It is very difficult to predict the water heater timings as they change based on ambient temp , User and stored water temp ( underground is cool. overhead tanks normally reach 30 + during bright sunny days)

yes the timer will cutoff the heater but 2 hours before bath time would be sound 4 am in the morning the draw may be lethal to my batteries

kiekie1:


Why wondering ! Instead of throwing them away which is hazardous, simply contact us and get paid in return, no matter the number of decades you have used the batteries !! Cheer's

Smartcell global services,
081-350-31951

That is no answer Mr. Man

NiyiOmoIyunade:
My Ogas Sinistrian and Makavele.

You folks bought the MorningStar CCs but are yet to provide user reviews a couple of months down the road!

Please let the house have your experience(s), the good, the bad and the ugly so we may possibly persuade new converts into the MorningStar fold with our genuine end user reviews

If there are any tweaks or customizations or special use cases you have implemented, please let the house benefit from your experience with these as well.

Now in the mix: Victron MPPT charge controllers!
Much better than anticipated.

bigrovar:

lead acid is 99% cyclicable so there is money to be made from buying old dead batteries and selling them to recycle companies home and abroad.

Bravo. A Simple, explicit, straight to the point, helpful answer that needs no dodging!

Saipro:


Now in the mix: Victron MPPT charge controllers!
Much better than anticipated.

in Niyi's voice: finicky victron, lol

@

bigrovar:

lead acid is 99% cyclicable so there is money to be made from buying old dead batteries and selling them to recycle companies home and abroad.

Thanks. I understand better now.

makavele:


in Niyi's voice: finicky victron, lol

I am yet to see a solar company as innovative has victron. For me they are up there when it comes to innovations.

Chuckdee:


That is no answer Mr. Man

Good morning Bro, no mind us jare fellow archival ! Recycling is Recycling as we don't need to go into elementary details ! I guess Bigrovar already quoted same on the stale issue .. Cheer's

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bigrovar:
I am yet to see a solar company as innovative has victron. For me they are up there when it comes to innovations.

Every recent product I have tried turned out to be great, from inverters to CC to battery balancers.

NiyiOmoIyunade:
Oga Pranil,

I wanted to give an update on my DIY automatic transfer switch experiment - so I ended up sticking with the relay for those locations running security lights and making use of a contactor (LC1 D25008 - 4 Pole with 2NO/2NC) such as you recommended for those with inductive loads.

The principle of operation for these transfer switches is that inverter always powers the loads within a user defined window (set by a timer switch) attached to the NC contacts while Mains Power on the NO contacts will always override inverter output whenever available.

The contactors are able to tolerate low voltage (up to 185v AC) without any chatter and much to my surprise the transfer times are fast enough that the equipment (freezer compressor motor) does not seem to notice the changeover.

Apologies for the messy wiring and single color code as these are still experimental at the various locations and we just cobble things together with whatever parts happen to be available - once they satisfy proof of concept for 3 months I will set them up more professionally. Also, although I should know better, I switch only the live contacts and leave the neutrals common outside the circuit

I had asked before if there was a need to put in a circuit breaker between the inverter and Mains power sources to protect against a possible short circuit if the relay/contactor were to fail to disengage the NC and engage the NO contacts in an elegant manner or vice versa - what do you think please?

See pictures below...

Protection is always a good idea but it may be cheaper and easier for you to use a 13 Amp fuse plug ( 3 pin plug) to replace the bloack one you are using - I notice white one is already fused

bigrovar:
I am yet to see a solar company as innovative has victron. For me they are up there when it comes to innovations.

I second that.

Apart from SMA, I have not come across a company so knowledgeable and helpful on different application scenarios and wide har4dware compatibility

There is no comparison to their open source approach in the RE business

I have put so much faith now in Victron that I pulled out my entire system and in the process upgrading to 5 KW Quattro x 3 phase setup .

The generator and NEPA will changeover through Victron so something goes wrong my house will be in darkness

I have also acquired a Fronius SYMO 6 KW and Victron 250/70 CC ( in addition to my 150/70 and 150/45) to handle the large loads during daytime


After consuming 87 litres in Last one year for my 20 KVA gen and spending more on starter batteries and chargers and maintenance for the gen than diesel saved I have decided the gen should be run regularly to keep things in balance till the time Lithium becomes really affordable and I can truly dispose the gen

DUNKA:
You will need a separate cc. In my experience tubular batteries need to be equalized at 64 volts and unfortunately the Axpert hybrid won't be able to reach that voltage. The cc matrix of the Axpert seems overwhelmed when you are using flooded batteries. My advise is get a separate cc or your batteries will fail within 6 to 10 months if solely using the hybrid inverter.

I am not planning to use solar now just inverter and tubular batteries and from your submission is better to stick to the icellpower 2kva inverter and then buy a charge controller when i upgrade to solar rather than use the axpert 2kva hybrid inverter which is more expensive and still buy a charge controller when i want to upgrade

bigrovar:


The answer is simple. I had the 2 charge controllers before getting the axpert inverter. The controller has more features and better charge algorithm and performance than the axpert. Lastly I am a convert of the Unix philosophy a tool that does one thing and does it well. Axpert is best an inverter which is what I use it for.

I am not planning to use solar now just inverter and tubular batteries and from your submission is better to stick to the icellpower 2kva inverter and then buy a charge controller when i upgrade to solar rather than use the axpert 2kva hybrid inverter which is more expensive and still buy a charge controller when i want to upgrade