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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:06pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
I agree. Some coaches even with their badges will not record successes. Nothing wrong with Finidi starting as an assistant. Manu MAY have an eye for talents than Finidi after all. Some people just have gifts.
That depends on who the head coach is, some assistants have very limited input. With his background and experience in youth football though, i doubt he will want to be an assistant in a youth team. He will be more willing to be an sssistant in the Super Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels:
Nnamdi Ofoborh has been officially promoted to Bournemouth first team campaigning in the EPL. He has been assigned the squad number 56 for next season. He is a left-footed midfielder, something Rohr has been looking for that made him keep under performing Joel. I pray Nnamdi gets a good number of appearances in the EPL to force Rohr's hand. His EPL experience will also come in handy for Aigbogun's under 20 team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:15pm On Jul 28, 2018
ChrisKels:
Nnamdi Ofoborh has been officially promoted to Bournemouth first team campaigning in the EPL. He has been assigned the squad number 56 for next season. He is left-footed midfielder, something Rohr had been looking for that made him keep under performing Joel. I pray Nnamdi gets a good number of appearances in the EPL to force Rohr's hand. His EPL experience will also come in handy for Aigbogun's under 20 team.
He is very highly rated. I expect him to play a role in the under 20 team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:41pm On Jul 28, 2018
solonnachi:
George Abbey & Joseph Yobo
2002 Afcon ❓
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake1: 6:44pm On Jul 28, 2018
ChrisKels:
Nnamdi Ofoborh has been officially promoted to Bournemouth first team campaigning in the EPL. He has been assigned the squad number 56 for next season. He is left-footed midfielder, something Rohr had been looking for that made him keep under performing Joel. I pray Nnamdi gets a good number of appearances in the EPL to force Rohr's hand. His EPL experience will also come in handy for Aigbogun's under 20 team.
Is he of mixed blood or is he pure Nigerian?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:48pm On Jul 28, 2018
andrew444:
As far as i am concerned that boy i see there is not a young boy,if we call our so called u20 players old men then this boy i see here make no difference.

That boy i see there is just about 3 years younger than our u20 players,that still doesnt make him 18.

We cannot call our home base over age and see this one and call him a young boy just because he is in sweden common,i will never agree with that.
And here we go again.That boy went through the MRI o.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:50pm On Jul 28, 2018
tbaba1234:
A lot has to be done to improve youth structures if we are start producing World class talent on a consistent basis.
At a certain point it is left to the individual how far he goes in his career. If a player is not willing to put in the extra work then he can never be world class I don't care what academy u put him through.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 6:52pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
Being an assistant to anyone is never an insult. There is always something we an learn from one another. You are the one saying this.. If Finidi were given an assistant job chances are he will not turn it down.
As in Asst to a local coach? we've never gotten foreign for cadets now as far as I remember.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:56pm On Jul 28, 2018
tbaba1234:
The reason, many of our players fail trials is poor fundamentals at the developmental stage.

Many of these foreign born players are not more talented, they just have better foundation. That is what matters at professional level. Many of our players have to start learning again when they go abroad.

The reason why France can use a bunch of African descent players to win the WC is because they provide them with good foundation.

We need to improve youth structure and especially coaching for kids from a very young age. The under 15 coaches should be given top quality training to measure up with their counterparts abroad.
And also we must have a standing U15 team that we will engage in competitions annually. We gradually graduate them into the U17. With this we will sustain the development of New talents.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:58pm On Jul 28, 2018
BascoVanVeli:
At a certain point it is left to the individual how far he goes in his career. If a player is not willing to put in the extra work then he can never be world class I don't care what academy u put him through.
Create the youth structures and you have a better chance of success at the professional stage.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Clementoke(m): 7:09pm On Jul 28, 2018
Earthquake1:
Is he of mixed blood or is he pure Nigerian?
Why do you ask?. A Nigerian is a Nigerian
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Clementoke(m): 7:09pm On Jul 28, 2018
Earthquake1:
Is he of mixed blood or is he pure Nigerian?
A Nigerian is a Nigerian. Why do you ask?.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:13pm On Jul 28, 2018
That’s you talking. He may humbly accept that role for a start. The key word is humility
tbaba1234:
That depends on who the head coach is, some assistants have very limited input. With his background and experience in youth football though, i doubt he will want to be an assistant in a youth team. He will be more willing to be an sssistant in the Super Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake1: 7:16pm On Jul 28, 2018
Clementoke:
A Nigerian is a Nigerian. Why do you ask?.
A mixed blood has a higher chance of rejecting the SE

I want to know our chances
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:21pm On Jul 28, 2018
Odey with a goal to cap a great showing
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:27pm On Jul 28, 2018
A foreign coach can be assistant to a local coach. Why not? Foreign does not automatically mean better.

daveP:
As in Asst to a local coach? we've never gotten foreign for cadets now as far as I remember.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:35pm On Jul 28, 2018
tbaba1234:
Create the youth structures and you have a better chance of success at the professional stage.
Like I said if the player lacks the drive and discipline there is nothing youth structure can do.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 7:36pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
A foreign coach can be assistant to a local coach. Why not? Foreign does not automatically mean better.
Okay.... Show me the exception in this Nigeria aside Siasia, which was more personal that professional.

I didn't say it's impossible. I'm saying it an imbalance which I consider an insult.


Yeah, I know it doesn't mean better, but in this case of Finidi, who is currently better? Another "Salishu Yusuf" from the NPFL waiting to happen again? Lol.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:57pm On Jul 28, 2018
Lol we are not talking about integrity, but performance. Let’s not digress. What I’m saying is Finidi could have the experience to train youngsters the rudiments of the game. But that does not necessarily mean he’d be better as a coach (and I mean APPLIED knowledge in using tactics etc to win games). Compared to Manu Garba, Garba is tried and trusted at this level. Could Finidi do better? Possibly. But his experience in Spain does not automatically translate to guaranteed success managing the U17 team for example.

Modified

I think it would do Nigeria MORE good in the long run if Finidi worked in a larger scale organizing clinics working with many youngsters all over the country.

daveP:
Okay.... Show me the exception in this Nigeria aside Siasia, which was more personal that professional.

I didn't say it's impossible. I'm saying it an imbalance which I consider an insult.


Yeah, I know it doesn't mean better, but in this case of Finidi, who is currently better? Another "Salishu Yusuf" from the NPFL waiting to happen again? Lol.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jul 28, 2018
Earthquake1:
A mixed blood has a higher chance of rejecting the SE

I want to know our chances
He has already played for the under 20 team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 8:05pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
Lol we are not talking about integrity, but performance. Let’s not digress. What I’m saying is Finidi could have the experience to train youngsters the rudiments of the game. But that does not necessarily mean he’d be better as a coach (and I mean APPLIED knowledge in using tactics etc to win games). Compared to Manu Garba, Garba is tried and trusted at this level. Could Finidi do better? Possibly. But his experience in Spain does not automatically translate to guaranteed success managing the U17 team for example.
Lol. Finally you've brought it to my doorstep...



Garba was given a chance. He grabbed it and did wonders. Thus his current status.

The Late Yemi Tella (God bless baba), also took an opportunity with the knowledge he had and turned excavated gold to refined Gold.


Amuneke.... just like Finidi that we are analyzing now, was given a chance too, and he did well.


Now tell me why Finidi won't, but would rather thrive as an Asst, when His current knowledge of the game and his love for very young talents will make him thrive?


Rarely do we have Indigenous coaches that are solely interested in the careers of the talents groomed... Overall fact!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:10pm On Jul 28, 2018
Please see the earlier modified.

We’ve also had coaches who were given the chance at that level but failed. They didn’t fail just because they were local coaches. They weren’t just good enough. Nothing is guaranteed either way — local or foreign. I’m not against Finidi being the main coach. I’m just saying we can utilize his input in other capacities as well.



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daveP:
Lol. Finally you've brought it to my doorstep...



Garba was given a chance. He grabbed it and did wonders. Thus his current status.

The Late Yemi Tella (God bless baba), also took an opportunity with the knowledge he had and turned excavated gold to refined Gold.


Amuneke.... just like Finidi that we are analyzing now, was given a chance too, and he did well.


Now tell me why Finidi won't, but would rather thrive as an Asst, when His current knowledge of the game and his love for very young talents will make him thrive?


Rarely do we have Indigenous coaches that are solely interested in the careers of the talents groomed... Overall fact!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:19pm On Jul 28, 2018
What’s a pure Nigerian?
Earthquake1:
Is he of mixed blood or is he pure Nigerian?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:21pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
Lol we are not talking about integrity, but performance. Let’s not digress. What I’m saying is Finidi could have the experience to train youngsters the rudiments of the game. But that does not necessarily mean he’d be better as a coach (and I mean APPLIED knowledge in using tactics etc to win games). Compared to Manu Garba, Garba is tried and trusted at this level. Could Finidi do better? Possibly. But his experience in Spain does not automatically translate to guaranteed success managing the U17 team for example.

Modified

I think it would do Nigeria MORE good in the long run if Finidi worked in a larger scale organizing clinics working with many youngsters all over the country.
The reason, i advocate for a coach like Finidi is that our players lack fundamentals. His experience in teaching fundamentals to kids for over 5 years in Europe puts him in a good position to impact fundamentals to kids.

Kelechi Iheanacho played for Nigeria under 15 and under 17 but once he got to the professional ranks, we can see his lack of fundamentals start to show a little more.

You can get away with pure talent in the youth ranks but once you get to the professional stage, you need a good foundation to push your talent to a world class level.

Look at Musa Muhammad, very talented but lacks fundamentals. So It is not `about winning trophies, it is about producing potential world class talent in the pro ranks.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:26pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
Please see the earlier modified.

We’ve also had coaches who were given the chance at that level but failed. They didn’t fail just because they were local coaches. They weren’t just good enough. Nothing is guaranteed either way — local or foreign. I’m not against Finidi being the main coach. I’m just saying we can utilize his input in other capacities as well.

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At youth level, the success is not about winning trophies. It is about giving youth talent the fundamentals to hopefully become world class professionals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:35pm On Jul 28, 2018
How about the youths that don’t make the cut at the U17 level. Teaching them the fundamentals should be MORE at the grassroots level than at the National team alone. It appears you didn’t see the modified. Winning at the U17 level is also important. Why not?

tbaba1234:
At youth level, the success is not about winning trophies. It is about giving youth talent the fundamentals to hopefully become world class professionals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:41pm On Jul 28, 2018
There are many talented players that pop up at the U20 level. There is a big gap between the U17s and U20s. You seem to be forgetting the other kids. Didn’t this argument start when we noticed that our players from the local league fail trials abroad? Even if Finidi taught a few at the U17 level, it wouldn’t still solve the problem. If we know how to utilize people’s strengths in this country there wont be not be so much craze for the “top” job all the time.

tbaba1234:
The reason, i advocate for a coach like Finidi is that our players lack fundamentals. His experience in teaching fundamentals to kids for over 5 years in Europe puts him in a good position to impact fundamentals to kids.

Kelechi Iheanacho played for Nigeria under 15 and under 17 but once he got to the professional ranks, we can see his lack of fundamentals start to show a little more.

You can get away with pure talent in the youth ranks but once you get to the professional stage, you need a good foundation to push your talent to a world class level.

Look at Musa Muhammad, very talented but lacks fundamentals. So It is not `about winning trophies, it is about producing potential world class talent in the pro ranks.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 8:43pm On Jul 28, 2018
Chidozie Awaziem is definitely in the plans of Porto manager ‎Sérgio Conceição for the 2018-2019 season, based on the jersey numbers assigned to the players on Saturday.

The Super Eagles central defender has been handed the number five jersey which was worn by Ivan Marcano prior to his transfer to AS Roma this summer.

Mikel Agu was not named among the 26 first-teamers and this suggests that he has been declared surplus to requirements and another loan move or permanent transfer is on the cards.

Awaziem donned the number six kit when he first played for Porto U19s in the UEFA Youth League during the 2014-2015 season, the following season he was allocated the number 63 shirt.

The 21-year-old sported the number 33 shirt in the 2016-2017 campaign while he played with number 12 at FC Nantes last term.

He has appeared in 10 matches for the first team of Porto in the Primeira Liga, logging 854 minutes.

Ifeanyi Emmanuel
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
How about the youths that don’t make the cut at the U17 level. Teaching them the fundamentals should be MORE at the grassroots level than at the National team alone. It appears you didn’t see the modified. Winning at the U17 level is also important. Why not?
Winning the under 17 is a good bonus but we also want them to be great professionals. We have won under 17 several times, how many truly world class players have we produced? How many times has Italy or Germany won the under 17 tournament?

We need proper structures to train grassroots coaches to be able to impact proper knowledge. Too many times, our players get used to bad habits that they have to unlearn. First of all, our league teams need professional youth team structures with qualified coaching.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jul 28, 2018
Joebie:
There are many talented players that pop up at the U20 level. There is a big gap between the U17s and U20s. You seem to be forgetting the other kids. Didn’t this argument start when we noticed that our players from the local league fail trials abroad? Even if Finidi taught a few at the U17 level, it wouldn’t still solve the problem. If we know how to utilize people’s strengths in this country there wont be not be so much craze for the “top” job all the time.
You need to provide the structures and training down to the grassroots.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:50pm On Jul 28, 2018
Read and comprehend my points fully then respond
tbaba1234:
Winning the under 17 is a good bonus but we also want them to be great professionals. We have won under 17 several times, how many truly world class players have we produced? How many times has Italy or Germany won the under 17 tournament?

We need proper structures to train grassroots coaches to be able to impact proper knowledge. Too many times, our players get used to bad habits that they have to unlearn. First of all, our league teams need professional youth team structures with qualified coaching.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:53pm On Jul 28, 2018
Awaziem with the number 5 Jersey for Porto.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjNi9qdXcAASENj.jpg
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