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[quote author=Maamin post=69797563][/quote]

Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..

Perfectbeing:
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..

Your diagram should be something like this

this..

this

Perfectbeing:
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..

Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..

Perfectbeing:
Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..

After all this, the only reason you still want to place to coin at the right hand side of the box is pride. Not commonsense but pride.

TimeMachine:
I have experienced the State of Being God, I do not believe in anything I can not proof. There is Divine Creator, and I am a fractal of it, so are you, so are the Trees and all of Created and Uncreated Realities but you are yet to experience it, and may never experience it until you let go of believe and faith and really take the narrow path which is Individualism via hardcore Scientific Research beyond the boundaries of Physical Reality. You need the Bible, but the old testament. It is a great recording also mixed up in a way, but it is a great guide as you progress beyond the surface.

Divine Creator is not religious, neither is it a Person. It is the Source and Cause of all that there is, and we are the Conscious aspect of It.

I do not write this, because I read it somewhere, I write my very experience beyond the veil. Do not believe me, just follow your intuition for nothing but Scientifically proven facts, and it will lead you directly to Divine Realities of Intelligence Infinity. It is an awesome world.

Athest or Deist?

pressplay411:
Athest or Deist?

Makes no sense. Both are wrong.

[quote author=Perfectbeing post=69792775]Look what happens in Rev 22:8, when John worshiped an angel of God.
8. I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.

What did the angel say in VS 9?
9.But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

The angel told John to worship who? God!

That is because the angel is not worthy to receive worship.

Hebrews 1:5-6
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

But in Rev 5:13 and 14, the lamb and God was worshiped. Doesn't that in any way tell us that the Lamb (Jesus) and God are the same.. Doesn't that tell us that since Jesus was worshipped he must be God.

God the father has made it to be so, it pleased God for the Lamb (Jesus) to sit at the right hand of God's throne.

Like I've said before God in his 1st commandment did not say "you shall have no other God except me and a mighty god". Rather he said "you shall have no other God except me". Doesn't that again shows that Jesus is God Himself?

Yes that is why all glory, power and honor still returns to God Almighty the father, even if it were given through the name of Jesus the Christ.

Jesus says "..all mine are thine,all thine are mine"

What a wonderful relationship right?

Perfectbeing:
I gave you just four approaches on how the word "kai" is used... There are obviously others..


Try to read according to context unless the verse seem contradicts another verse. Then you can do a proper investigation.
When you see something like "Jesus our Lord and Savior.." you don't need to look for any Greek or Hebrew interpretation to tell you that the Savior and the Lord is Jesus.

Also, when you see something like "Jesus and the twelve apostles.." , the context there obviously means Jesus together with his disciple and not "Jesus, that is the disciples "


And one thing else, you only apply all those approaches when a passages of the Bible tends to contradict other passages. Because they actually don't.. It's either the translators got it wrong or you're the one that don't understand.

I think you are the one that does not understand...."kai" or "and" is a connecting or linking word, it is used to parallel two terms or word in a phrase or sentence. Its meaning can't change now, not even in the future.

The translators understand and new very well what they translated when they used "and" for "kai".

Perfectbeing:
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: [b]everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . [/b]Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..

Who brought Jesus forth into existence?
Who was he with before he created everything else?
Who possessed him?
Who beget him?

Your answer will be God the father and no other

Jesus have constantly said it that he came from someone, he was sent by someone, all power and authority is given to him by someone. Who is this someone?

Your answer will be God the father and no other

Perfectbeing:
Your diagram should be something like this

God cant be boxed he fills eternity....there is no space or time outside God. "Everything that ever existed" should be in a box while God outside it.

Anything or everything can't come before God he is the one and only causality of it all.

Guess what? Jesus is inside God the father too but with the exception as firstbegotten (monogene)

Perfectbeing:
Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..

Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.

Maamin:
Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.

I would have totally agreed with all without demur,
if not for knowing, what in the above comment, easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

When God decree he says Be and it will be, or exist and it will exist in Hebrew (Yehi wa'yehi). that is, his Word materialise that which he utters.

For example putting myself in John 1:1

In the beginning was my word, and my word was with me and my word is me.

That is, that my word is in fact me, because no smallest distinction could be made between me and my word. It was all that the beginning holds it starting point.

I wish I can take you deep into the study of John 1 In the beginning.

To learn the Ayin, the Ayin sof and the Ayin sof ur.
The Secrecy of Transcendental Knowledge, something Timemachine is telling you that might sound alien to you.

Knowing science is in fact knowing God too.
God is the greatest scientist there is.

Maamin:
When God decree he says Be and it will be, or exist and it will exist in Hebrew (Yehi wa'yehi).
that is, his Word materialise that which he utters.

For example putting myself in John 1:1

In the beginning was my word, and my word was with me and my word is me.

That is, that my word is in fact me, because no smallest distinction could be made between me and my word.
It was all that the beginning holds it starting point.
I wish I can take you deep into the study of John 1 In the beginning.
To learn the Ayin, Ayin sof,
The Secrecy of Transcendental Knowledge, something Timemachine is telling you that might sound alien to you.
Knowing science is in fact knowing God too.
God is the greatest scientist there is

"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"
- Isaiah 43:2a

MuttleyLaff:
"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"
- Isaiah 43:2a

Lol...the bible is forever true.

I will try to make out time to discuss the beginning in John 1:1 In respect to Genesis 1 as well.

How are you today?

MuttleyLaff:
I would have totally agreed with all without demur,
if not for knowing, what in the above comment, easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

You see, that is because he is infinite. We keep knowing him everyday, he is new every morning.

Maamin:
When God decree he says Be and it will be, or exist and it will exist in Hebrew (Yehi wa'yehi). that is, his Word materialise that which he utters.

For example putting myself in John 1:1

In the beginning was my word, and my word was with me and my word is me.

That is, that my word is in fact me, because no smallest distinction could be made between me and my word. It was all that the beginning holds it starting point.

I wish I can take you deep into the study of John 1 In the beginning.

To learn the Ayin, the Ayin sof and the Ayin sof ur.
The Secrecy of Transcendental Knowledge, something Timemachine is telling you that might sound alien to you.

Knowing science is in fact knowing God too.
God is the greatest scientist there is.

The Supreme Creator is the best Programmer and Scientist ever. If you get a glimpse of our Solar System Design, you will marvel on the Engineering prowess. And if you see the Reality where the Mainframe Computer hosting this Physical Reality is, where our Souls are hooked up to power the Avatar, it is a wonder.

I believe I am opportuned to be fearless enough to follow the path of Spirituality through Nature and Sciences. There is no way Religion can take one that far. Experiencing that I am you, and I am the tree, that I am just any Human and even animals and everything is so overwhelming. We are just one. We are one being split into individual units to experience our creation in the denser part of created reality.

It is better experienced than read. Writing can not do justice to it. Our vision is just so limited. I implore those who care to know about Reality to de-calcify their pineal gland, and get their pituitary gland functional again by drinking and cleansing themselves with distill water, fasting to get the junks off the system, and reduce animal consumption and synchronizing all hemispheres of their brain. The Temple has to be holy, for the Spirit to connect and activate and take over our physicality.

God is Us, and we are God. Many will disagree because they have not experienced this, and not many will dare to try to step outside their body and know that they are not their body, that Spirit is what powers the body, that is the real us at the core.

Maamin:
Lol...the bible is forever true

Its content are more desirable than gold--than an abundance of pure gold
and sweeter than honey dripping from a honeycomb

Maamin:
I will try to make out time to discuss the beginning in John 1:1
In respect to Genesis 1 as well.

That will brilliant
Holy Spirit will be on standby, ready to be help if or when needed,
as like earlier said, it easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

Maamin:
How are you today?

I am blessed
How about you.
Your smiling and laughs are infectious

Maamin:
You see, that is because he is infinite.
We keep knowing him everyday, he is new every morning.

Yes ooo
God is, "not-known-number" of persons
God, then, is, x-persons
and God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, infinite

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrase
God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day
He is new every morning, He is new tomorrow

Thats why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

TimeMachine:
The Supreme Creator is the best Programmer and Scientist ever. If you get a glimpse of our Solar System Design, you will marvel on the Engineering prowess. And if you see the Reality where the Mainframe Computer hosting this Physical Reality is, where our Souls are hooked up to power the Avatar, it is a wonder.

I believe I am opportuned to be fearless enough to follow the path of Spirituality through Nature and Sciences. There is no way Religion can take one that far. Experiencing that I am you, and I am the tree, that I am just any Human and even animals and everything is so overwhelming. We are just one. We are one being split into individual units to experience our creation in the denser part of created reality.

It is better experienced than read. Writing can not do justice to it. Our vision is just so limited. I implore those who care to know about Reality to de-calcify their pineal gland, and get their pituitary gland functional again by drinking and cleansing themselves with distill water, fasting to get the junks off the system, and reduce animal consumption and synchronizing all hemispheres of their brain. The Temple has to be holy, for the Spirit to connect and activate and take over our physicality.

God is Us, and we are God. Many will disagree because they have not experienced this, and not many will dare to try to step outside their body and know that they are not their body, that Spirit is what powers the body, that is the real us at the core.

Perfect

When we become fully enlightened knowing God's original intention for us, transcendency is just the beginning of our Spirituality.

The Spirit is like the All Spark, Gem Stone, Mother box of life.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69808284]Its content are more desirable than gold--than an abundance of pure gold
and sweeter than honey dripping from a honeycomb

Indeed a great manual for us

That will brilliant
Holy Spirit will be on standby, ready to be help if or when needed,
as like earlier said, it easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

Will do when am less occupied

I am blessed
How about you.
Your smiling and laughs are infectious

I'm doing great as well...I smile and laugh a lot, one of my trait when you know me in person.

Yes ooo
God is, "not-known-number" of persons
God, then, is, x-persons
and God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, infinite

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrase
God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day
He is new every morning, He is new tomorrow

Thats why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Perfectly said

TimeMachine:
Makes no sense. Both are wrong.

What would you call your belief?

Maamin:
Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.

Now that you've said all these, where did you put the coin? Left or right?

MuttleyLaff:
"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"
- Isaiah 43:2a

Deeper than the bottomless pit

Perfectbeing:
Now that you've said all these, where did you put the coin? Left or right?

I will place the coin at the right side in this case if the God in the left side is the father

Perfectbeing:
Deeper than the bottomless pit

Is this a case of, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and the fingers type?

TIME MACHINE... I would love to have a psychic handshake with you.

TimeMachine:
The Supreme Creator is the best Programmer and Scientist ever. If you get a glimpse of our Solar System Design, you will marvel on the Engineering prowess. And if you see the Reality where the Mainframe Computer hosting this Physical Reality is, where our Souls are hooked up to power the Avatar, it is a wonder.

I believe I am opportuned to be fearless enough to follow the path of Spirituality through Nature and Sciences. There is no way Religion can take one that far. Experiencing that I am you, and I am the tree, that I am just any Human and even animals and everything is so overwhelming. We are just one. We are one being split into individual units to experience our creation in the denser part of created reality.

It is better experienced than read. Writing can not do justice to it. Our vision is just so limited. I implore those who care to know about Reality to de-calcify their pineal gland, and get their pituitary gland functional again by drinking and cleansing themselves with distill water, fasting to get the junks off the system, and reduce animal consumption and synchronizing all hemispheres of their brain. The Temple has to be holy, for the Spirit to connect and activate and take over our physicality.

God is Us, and we are God. Many will disagree because they have not experienced this, and not many will dare to try to step outside their body and know that they are not their body, that Spirit is what powers the body, that is the real us at the core.

I just realized How much I have missed a COSMIC TITAN, "BILLY"

How are you Sire?
I have missed you!

I've been seeing things deeper than the bottomless pit since morning...

But I must say this.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
The mystery of God has already been revealed in him. All man didn't knew about God before has been explained in Christ.

You guys keep saying God can't be contained in a box., or narrowed down in the Trinity.. But guess what? God was contained in Christ. The fullness of God dwelt in Christ. Jesus is all there is to know about God.

The complexity of God is simplified in Christ.
The unknown of God is known in Christ.
The mysteriousness of God is revealed in Christ. The invisibility of God is visible in Christ.
The distance of God has been drawn closer in Christ.
The nature of God has explained in Christ.
The love, mercy, compassion of God is shown in Christ.
How far God was willing to go for us is shown in Christ.

Any other mystery of God you wanna that is not in Christ will lead you into darkness.
Any other means, be it science, be it another religion. Apart from Jesus you will never ever ever know or understand God.
Jesus is the light that illuminates God. God can't be seen, known, felt or grasped without Jesus..

Think about it. If any other way existed for man to find God, God would never have wasted the blood of Christ.. If Science or another thing was a way to God, Christ wouldn't have come to Earth. C'mon guys, Jesus wouldn't have bothered going through those shits he endured on the cross for us. It seems you guys don't understand what Jesus endured on the cross -what God had to go through for man to know him. If we do, we won't think of thinking of another way to Him.
God kept using the prophets of old to tell us about Christ. He sent John the Baptist to prepare a way for him.

Please guys, I beg you to forsake that ideology of "transcending" or science of yours. And look unto Jesus. Your lives actually depends on it bro.

Bless you all... And happy Sunday..

Perfectbeing:
I've been seeing things deeper than the bottomless pit since morning...

Isaiah 43:2a is your ancor and succour

Perfectbeing:
But I must say this.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
The mystery of God has already been revealed in him. All man didn't knew about God before has been explained in Christ.

You guys keep saying God can't be contained in a box.,
or narrowed down in the Trinity..
But guess what? God was contained in Christ. The fullness of God dwelt in Christ. Jesus is all there is to know about God.

No one to my knowledge used "contained" or "narrowed down".
The correct words used were "cant be limited" and "cant be restricted" to trinity
God can be and is, I AM... fill in the blanks
Unlimited freedom to be whatever He chooses or deems fit to be

Perfectbeing:
The complexity of God is simplified in Christ.
The unknown of God is known in Christ.
The mysteriousness of God is revealed in Christ. The invisibility of God is visible in Christ.
The distance of God has been drawn closer in Christ.
The nature of God has explained in Christ.
The love, mercy, compassion of God is shown in Christ.
How far God was willing to go for us is shown in Christ.

Any other mystery of God you wanna that is not in Christ will lead you into darkness.
Any other means, be it science, be it another religion.
Apart from Jesus you will never ever ever know or understand God.
Jesus is the light that illuminates God. God can't be seen, known, felt or grasped without Jesus..

Think about it. If any other way existed for man to find God, God would never have wasted the blood of Christ..
If Science or another thing was a way to God, Christ wouldn't have come to Earth.
C'mon guys, Jesus wouldn't have bothered going through those shits he endured on the cross for us.
It seems you guys don't understand what Jesus endured on the cross - what God had to go through for man to know him.
If we do, we won't think of thinking of another way to Him.
God kept using the prophets of old to tell us about Christ.
He sent John the Baptist to prepare a way for him.

Please guys, I beg you to forsake that ideology of "transcending" or science of yours.
And look unto Jesus. Your lives actually depends on it bro.

Bless you all... And happy Sunday..

One word that sums up God is Humility,
and Jesus Christ is humility personified