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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:00am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
Why so pained? It has nothing to do with the EPL as your utterly myopic mind would have you think, it's based on talent and skill and that alone...

If Hazard wins the World Cup, moves to Bayern Munich and wins back to back UCL while finishing as the top scorer, do you think Dayo would respect him or regard him as a great player or a mere Shaku shaku, one corner dancer?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:01am On Aug 15, 2018
2016/2017 UCL grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:02am On Aug 15, 2018
liveLongNprospa:
2016/2017 UCL grin grin

I give up. My brother, abeg drop microphone.

Watch them tell you Kroos played more games or that he played with better players. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 12:02am On Aug 15, 2018
Kross KDB, nice debate so far
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 12:03am On Aug 15, 2018
Why is KDB having some negative -ve scores on those stats
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:04am On Aug 15, 2018
liveLongNprospa:

YES!!!!... HELL YES!!!!... HELLLLLLL YYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!
Your call, for me and my family, it's KDB all day, I'd even take Pogba and Erikson over Kroos and for those folks who think we only watch the EPL, I have followed Kroos all through his Bayern days. It's down to preference now rather than ability on the field of play, a shame as that how most opinions are built here.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:05am On Aug 15, 2018
Roland17:


100% no questions asked, it does not diminish KDB’s quality either because he is a good player, but in comparison to Kroos? Not for me.
In what area do you think Kroos outshines KDB?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:06am On Aug 15, 2018
2015/2016 grin grin

Man you guys are lucky I didn't find the WC stats for KDB grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 12:06am On Aug 15, 2018
Eruditor:


His passing range is better.
His shot taking is better.
He is substantially more intelligent and makes better decisions under pressure.
He assists more.
Scores more.
Covers more distance.
What about Iniesta grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 12:07am On Aug 15, 2018
After seeing the stats i think KDB can compete for a shit with Kross in RM squared
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:07am On Aug 15, 2018
Do we still have an argument here? grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:08am On Aug 15, 2018
spartacus11:
Why is KDB having some negative -ve scores on those stats
I saw it and immediately thought it was manipulated
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:08am On Aug 15, 2018
obainojazz:
What about Iniesta grin
Plisssss don't do this grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:09am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
I saw it and immediately thought it was manipulated
Please squawka is free for you to check grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 12:10am On Aug 15, 2018
KDB good for attack why Kross good for Possession
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:11am On Aug 15, 2018
Roland17:


Really? I will give you recent examples.

The 2017/2018 round of 16 UCL against Napoli, I hope you remember that game, if not, look it up on YouTube. He was master class.

Last gasp free kick against Sweden at the recently concluded world cup in Russia gave the German's 2nd round qualification hopes. He dominated that game and controlled the game from the middle of the park.

I can go on and on..

No, this is simply not empirically true or substantial. You are recommending any game he put a shift to make a case for dominance and that does not cut it. Against Sweden or Napoli he simply put a shift. Even the ratings show it. Scoring a decider via a freekick is brilliant just like Henry scored from one against Brazil in a huge WC game. Yet it was Zidane who got all the plaudits because he DOMINATED that game.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:12am On Aug 15, 2018
Greatihex:
The double standard here is baffling, esp from raumdeuter.
If it is hazard now, they will start telling us how he has not made any final, or won the world cup, CL or euro.
But, kdb is now better than kroos with multiple cl and a world cup with great performances in the final. Double standard!

Dont you know Apari is a Frog...All he knows how to do his croak his rubbish.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:16am On Aug 15, 2018
liveLongNprospa:

Please squawka is free for you to check grin
I have had no reason to question my vision, the guys over they might have other opinions based on what they have seen thus far but for me, KDB is the way, the truth and the best AM at the moment.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:16am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
In what area do you think Kroos outshines KDB?

Baba, no offense but I have outline my thoughts about your question in previous posts.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 12:17am On Aug 15, 2018
KDB bring ATTACK to the table

KROSS bring POSSESSION & PASSES to the table

If 2 of this players where offered to Chelsea KDB will be preferred bcus of his attacking abilities since our front line are weak

But since RM got some good front line Kross will be the preferred choice bcus of what he brings to the table.

Both of them are good players, unique in their own way, bur it will depend on the coach nase on who he wants, too close to call

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:17am On Aug 15, 2018
Roland17:


Baba,

There is absolutely no fact to the inferences you have made because they did not happen, consequently, they are not factual.
No one knows for sure if Madrid would have won the title with Cech as a goalie but we know for sure that they won it with Navas and Kroos. This is not a case of could, would or may..

As far as records show, Kroos played was a starter for the title winning teams of Real Madrid. The mere fact that he stayed healthy to play all these games is a testament.


You know the point was to explain the significance of their roles in the winning teams. That Kroos started is not substantial enough to make him key. Kroos is a solid player. But his role can easily be replaced such that nobody would have made an argument for RM if Kroos did not play and RM lost, the same way they would have if say CR7 or Sergio Ramos were unavailable.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:24am On Aug 15, 2018
At this point, I think neither camp is willing to shift ground thus to each, his own...For me and my family, it's KDB over Kroos any day...I'd understand if the argument was all about Pogba but KDB?Common, you can't beat the best...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:29am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
At this point, I think neither camp is willing to shift ground thus to each, his own...For me and my family, it's KDB over Kroos any day...I'd understand if the argument was all about Pogba but KDB?Common, you can't beat the best...
Yup that's why One of them has 4 UCL and a WC and the other has well EPL and a bronze WC medal grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:33am On Aug 15, 2018
spartacus11:
Kross KDB, nice debate so far

To be candid, I have enjoyed this argument because it was devoid of name calling, it was respectful and civil.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:37am On Aug 15, 2018
liveLongNprospa:

Yup that's why One of them has 4 UCL and a WC and the other has well EPL and a bronze WC medal grin
When comparing players, do well to separate individual achievements from team success...Kroos is definitely not better than Xavi in his time who didn't win 4 UCL neither is Pedro better than Griezmann or Giroud better than Diego Costa...We're on about individual quality here bro.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:48am On Aug 15, 2018
liveLongNprospa:

I asked you a question
Who achieved more at 28 between Toni and Xavi?
And explain Toni's role for me if you really understand what he does on the field.
You are quick to list out KDB's abilities so I am pretty sure you can help out with Toni's abilities too..yes? grin

I have listed exactly what Kroos does. Recycle possession. If a team is dominant..Kroos will not make a mistake. If a team is wobbly, Kroos will not bail you out. He does the simple things very well. Collects the ball from the defence..feeds the enforcer (Modric). Takes corners. Passes the ball to space. Shoots if an opportunity affords itself. The typical central midfielder.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:50am On Aug 15, 2018
spartacus11:
Why is KDB having some negative -ve scores on those stats

Because some of those stats are dependent on the teams wins and goals conceded. They should bring the stats of Kevlor Navas and Neuer in that same 2016/17 let us see it as well.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 12:54am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
When comparing players, do well to separate individual achievements from team success...Kroos is definitely not better than Xavi in his time who didn't win 4 UCL neither is Pedro better than Griezmann or Giroud better than Diego Costa...We're on about individual quality here bro.

That is the point I have been making.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 2:00am On Aug 15, 2018
patrickmuf:
When comparing players, do well to separate individual achievements from team success...Kroos is definitely not better than Xavi in his time who didn't win 4 UCL neither is Pedro better than Griezmann or Giroud better than Diego Costa...We're on about individual quality here bro.
Bro for me he is better than xavi was before 28.. That is why he won these trophies as a key player and not a carry along cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Coutinho14: 2:11am On Aug 15, 2018
Still can't understand why someone would choose Kroos over KDB solely based on the fact that one has a WC and four UCL trophies and the other doesn't, like WTF? benzema has 4 UCL titles( as much as Messi) and Harry Kane has never won a trophy in his life, does that make benzema a better striker to Harry Kane? if you want to compare two players, make sure you leave out team success and focus on what they both do on the pitch. For me it's a no brainer, can't take a guy that passes the ball to Casemiro and Ramos over a certified baller like KDB, I still maintain my stand that Kroos isn't even better than Coutinho.


Y'all staunch Kroos fans should tell me one good thing Kroos does better than KDB aside making non risky passes, am waiting.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Coutinho14: 2:23am On Aug 15, 2018
Courtois has never won a Ucl before but they still signed him to replace Navas, doesn't that tell you something? am sure Perez would jump at the chance to replace Kroos with KDB if it comes up. Navas has won more Ucl titles than Nuer, Ter stegan, Jan Oblak and De gea combined and these guys are miles better than him.


Put KDB in this Madrid squad and he will be a serious balon d'or contender.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 5:11am On Aug 15, 2018
cheesy cheesy cheesy

Thank god I ran away cheesy cheesy cheesy

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