komekn:


Victor Moses retires albeit prematurely but with dignity. What on earth is Echiejile still doing in national team consideration.

I wonder if there are other factors that caused VM to leave the SE. He had chosen to keep quite as opposed to court controversy but opening a can of worms.


I am bewildered.

I think Moses just felt it was the right time. Remember he will be 31 come next world cup. I don't think you can force Moses out because he is so strong mentality that nothing ever gets to him.

safarigirl:
they can believe whatever they want, Na for their pocket o...... But any reasonable, sensible human being knows not to abuse the term 'legend' by giving Moses such a tag.

Who Moses epp? Even other Africans will mention Iwobi before Moses in the Nigerian team today.

Lol

safarigirl:
lol.....thank God you're not an authority in football at any level.

Speak away

We are both not authorities so what's your point?

Talking about Victor Moses being a legend of the Nigerian game. This is subjective, depending on who you want to classify as a legend.

Let me role out my list of Nigerian legends and lets see if Victor Moses belongs to that Class.

Teslim "Thunder" Balogun
Christian Chukwu
Segun Odegbami
Adokiye Amiesimaka
Stephen Keshi
Rashidi Yekini
Emmanuel Amuneke
Austin Okocha
Finidi George
Daniel Amokachi (arguably)
Victor Ikpeba
Kanu Nwankwo
Sunday Oliseh
Peter Rufai
Vincent Enyeama

Does Victor Moses belong to that Class? I don't think so.

edi287:
Vic Moses will eventually be seen as a Legend as time goes by.
If we're being objective, apart from Atlanta 96, can you really say Kanu has performed better for Nigeria than Vic Mo?
Vic Moses has performed in Afcon, can you say the same about Kanu?
Both have had lukewarm WC perfomances. If Kanu is seen as a legend, Vic Moses should too.
Kanu had better club performances no doubt, but that's where it ends.

Atlanta 96 was Nigeria's first trophy at that level on the World Stage.

AFCON was not out first.

Kanu is also an Arsenal legend

Moses is not a Chelsea legend


If you want to give Moses legend status based on AFCON, then Sunday Mba should also be a Nigerian football legend.


Kanu started a heart foundation that has helped millions, what has Moses helped anybody do?


You assume being a legend is solely about football. It is not just about playing a game, it is about the sacrifices you make in the process of playing.


Which sacrifice has Moses ever made for the GwG? He used the team to elevate himself, but never did anything to his own detriment for the sake of the team. Nigga was a selfish ass mofo and he wasn't even good enough to cover up for it. Not one record worthy of note on any stage. Is that your legend?

Moses is not a Legend, he's not even a Hero or a Star, maybe he could be a Guinness because he's made of black

BascoVanVeli:


We are both not authorities so what's your point?

speak away Oga.

Moses has not ticked the required points for being a legend. People are not even trying to beg him to rescind his decision

andrew444:


Oga you dont know the meaning of legend abeg

For you to call victor moses a legend shows your mentality and you know nothing about football.

Go to google and read the meaning of legend if you have no idea of who should be call a legend

legend/ˈlɛdʒ(ə)nd/


noun
1.a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.

2.an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field.

3.an inscription, especially on a coin or medal

I don't classify players like: Martins, Yakubu, Ike Uche, Utaka, Taiwo, Osaze as legends, yet I rank them ahead of Moses.

safarigirl:
speak away Oga.

Moses has not ticked the required points for being a legend. People are not even trying to beg him to rescind his decision

Those points are only for your mind.

ChrisKels:


My assertion an excrement? U must be a big f00l. Which committed player retires from the national team at his peak age (27) for no just cause? So u think Moses would have called time at this age if he was repping the other nation (England)? Dude was never interested and he is such an opportunist for waiting till the worldcup was over before leaving.

I leave you to your madness then

tbaba1234:


I do not want to go down this route. Lets just say, it was not easy convincing him.

You already did so it is better you show your proof. I personally don't believe one word of it. Go look at any of the matches Moses played lately, I even suggested he would play wing back over a year ago because of how hard he worked as a winger. Mikel was the one who even publicly said he loved playing at his position but because people already have an opinion on this quiet boy you are choosing to make him a scapegoat

You made a very good point

komekn:


You know, until you know someone personally what you have is media driven perception, the real person is very far from you.

Getting anybody to jump to the SE is not the issue, getting True Top Quality Talent is. However, if you want to enthrone mediocrity, I guess your proposition in bold wins.

After being educated right here about the extreme harsh reality of life of in Nigeria, financially speaking. I can understand how people's perspective on commitment can become distorted.

Most Nigerian origin players in the UK who are on the ascendancy do not need the SE to promote and propel thier careers. It can even be a distraction that causes them to loose value.

The players in Nigeria considers the matter a LIFE & DEATH issue. And as such will do anything on and off the field and concede to all demands from NFF officials. And may seemingly be perceived as more committed. Is that commitment national interest or self preservation. It's a matter of perception.

I don't think you can judge commitment by assumptions on body language. That's being presumptuous in the negative and downright prejudiced.

gamaliel9:
We forget so soon
1. Who currently has an experience of top level football like VicMo?
2. Who can take those cool penalties like him?
3. Who can rise up in Africa to score for us?[he was feared by coaches]
4. Who brings that creativity in attack for us?

One thing is certain...he will be replaced...but not now...these guys you are mentioning Onyekuru,Samuel have not really played at high level even in Europe and Africa..,we wait for them..

We wait for them!DTS d key word, and let c who would replicate similar performance or a better one dn Vicmo,
Abi no b Dis thread ,na to begin curse d replacement, later stating aw important Vicmo was



Me don learn for Dis thread, most ppu opinion here is always beclouded by emotions ,let's wait and c who replaces Vicmo himself,and c his performance but if I hear pim abt us missing Vicmo on Dis thread, NA WAHALA OO


To me Vicmo attd to national team was poor,I dont like his attd eida,but i dont care since he plays well for us,WC I feel most peeps re hiding under to downgrade his performance for us,but sentiment aside,Vicmo was our best player after d 2014 world cup,most especially d penultimate year b4 2018 world cup.

safarigirl:
Atlanta 96 was Nigeria's first trophy at that level on the World Stage.

AFCON was not out first.

Kanu is also an Arsenal legend

Moses is not a Chelsea legend


If you want to give Moses legend status based on AFCON, then Sunday Mba should also be a Nigerian football legend.


Kanu started a heart foundation that has helped millions, what has Moses helped anybody do?


You assume being a legend is solely about football. It is not just about playing a game, it is about the sacrifices you make in the process of playing.


Which sacrifice has Moses ever made for the GwG? He used the team to elevate himself, but never did anything to his own detriment for the sake of the team. Nigga was a selfish ass mofo and he wasn't even good enough to cover up for it. Not one record worthy of note on any stage. Is that your legend?

Moses is not a Legend, he's not even a Hero or a Star, maybe he could be a Guinness because he's made of black

We are talking about achievements ON THE PITCH for the national team please.

Atlanta 96 was an age grade competition.

Vic Moses had a better AFCON than Sunday Mba. He has performed for us at the WCQ.

Vic Moses has performed just as well or even better in the super eagles than Kanu.

Did Kanu ever make the Afcon team of the tournament?

How many goals did Kanu score at AFCON and World Cup?

Icon4s:
I don't classify players like: Martins, Yakubu, Ike Uche, Utaka, Taiwo, Osaze as legends, yet I rank them ahead of Moses.

Most might probably be more talented, but Vic Moses has done more in the national team in his short stay.

Icon4s:
Talking about Victor Moses being a legend of the Nigerian game. This is subjective, depending on who you want to classify as a legend.

Let me role out my list of Nigerian legends and lets see if Victor Moses belongs to that Class.

Teslim "Thunder" Balogun
Christian Chukwu
Segun Odegbami
Adokiye Amiesimaka
Stephen Keshi
Rashidi Yekini
Emmanuel Amuneke
Austin Okocha
Finidi George
Daniel Amokachi (arguably)
Victor Ikpeba
Kanu Nwankwo
Sunday Oliseh
Peter Rufai
Vincent Enyeama

Does Victor Moses belong to that Class? I don't think so.

If Kanu is on that list, so should Vic Moses. We are talking about national team performances. What Major tourney did Kanu perform at for us minus Atlanta 96(which is an age grade competition)?
Unless you want to add their club performances, then fine.

edi287:

If Kanu is on that list, so should Vic Moses. We are talking about national team performances. What Major tourney did Kanu perform at for us minus Atlanta 96(which is an age grade competition)?
Unless you want to add their club performances, then fine.

How can you compare Kanu with Moses? Kanu is even an African legend.

komekn:


The club and national team contention has cost some players a lot. Particularly quality players who do not require the SE to propel thier careers.


One of the very few TOP QUALITY players in the SE a very big loss. Commitment is not measured by assumption or based on prejudiced ideas or body language that's being superficial.

And in all honesty a complete disrespect to top player who has sacrificed time and effort to play for the SE.

Occam Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the best.

Victor Moses has provided enough data points over the last few years to show that he was finding it increasing difficult to honour national calls for friendlies and low level games. I do not doubt his commitment while on the pitch.

I am one of those who defended Moses here but i can not ignore that he is retiring at 27 especially after all his excuses not to come for games. It all points to the same conclusion. Making these national team games are getting harder for him.

edi287:

If Kanu is on that list, so should Vic Moses. We are talking about national team performances. What Major tourney did Kanu perform at for us minus Atlanta 96(which is an age grade competition)?
Unless you want to add their club performances, then fine.

Lol.. Kanu literally built his national team career on the Olympics achievement. He was largely passive from France 98-SA 2010. It's a shame a player as talented as Kanu couldn't buy a goal in any tournament for Nigeria after Atlanta 96.

edi287:

We are talking about achievements ON THE PITCH for the national team please.

Atlanta 96 was an age grade competition.

Vic Moses had a better AFCON than Sunday Mba. He has performed for us at the WCQ.

Vic Moses has performed just as well or even better in the super eagles than Kanu.

Did Kanu ever make the Afcon team of the tournament?

How many goals did Kanu score at AFCON and World Cup?

I don't know when having a charity organization makes one a legend

If dt is d case,me sef na legend

It's a pity Moses will be throwing in the towel at this moment, especially when the failure in Russia was blamed on the teams lack of experience. People like Moses should be leading the young generation of attacking players.
Mane at the same age as Moses is leading Senegal from. What we are left with are largely untested, fledgling wing players without the fear factor which Moses brings to navigate through Afcon qualifiers and the main event next year in Morroco which promises to be bigger than any Afcon ever.

Best of luck to Moses and hopefully nobody begs him to return because that will be counter productive.

As they say. Soldier go, soldier come, barracks remain.

Is Kanu a legend?

Many people will rate Kanu as a legend even though his goal return for the National team is poor.

The Atlanta 96 triumph as captain is probably the most significant event but it is probably Nigeria's biggest international success simply because of the caliber of teams we beat.

So yea, it was an age grade competition but Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Bebeto, Roberto Carlos, Juninho were already super stars.

Not forgeting Ortega and Crespo.

So the sheer caliber of the teams beaten secured Kanu's legendary status.

Through the years, Kanu did not reach those heights with the National team but he provided some great moments.

Icon4s:


How can you compare Kanu with Moses? Kanu is even an African legend.

Kanu never performed at major tourneys with the Super Eagles. That is a fact.
Super talented guy but he didn't do too much with the national team.
Vic Moses at AFCON 2013 is better than anything Kanu gave us at AFCON AND World Cup

I agree. Let’s throw away the word legend and put them in classes by grade. It would reduce the argument.

Icon4s:
Talking about Victor Moses being a legend of the Nigerian game. This is subjective, depending on who you want to classify as a legend.

Let me role out my list of Nigerian legends and lets see if Victor Moses belongs to that Class.

Teslim "Thunder" Balogun
Christian Chukwu
Segun Odegbami
Adokiye Amiesimaka
Stephen Keshi
Rashidi Yekini
Emmanuel Amuneke
Austin Okocha
Finidi George
Daniel Amokachi (arguably)
Victor Ikpeba
Kanu Nwankwo
Sunday Oliseh
Peter Rufai
Vincent Enyeama

Does Victor Moses belong to that Class? I don't think so.

edi287:

Kanu never performed at major tourneys with the Super Eagles. That is a fact.
Super talented guy but he didn't do too much with the national team.
Vic Moses at AFCON 2013 is better than anything Kanu gave us at AFCON AND World Cup

Wake me up when Victor Moses wins APOTY.

goldfish80:


Lol.. Kanu literally built his national team career on the Olympics achievement. He was largely passive from France 98-SA 2010. It's a shame a player as talented as Kanu couldn't buy a goal in any tournament for Nigeria after Atlanta 96.

Exactly man. I sat down and thought about it one day when there was an argument for him being our greatest player of all time.

He really didn't do much for the national team. Finidi, Amokachi, Oliseh, Okocha, Yekini, Mikel all contributed more.

Icon4s:


Wake me up when Victor Moses wins APOTY.

Based on his club form.

Make me up when Kanu scores and makes team of the tournament in either AFCON or WC

Icon4s:
I don't classify players like: Martins, Yakubu, Ike Uche, Utaka, Taiwo, Osaze as legends, yet I rank them ahead of Moses.

God bless you and somebody says moses is a legend ? What is that person smoking ?

edi287:

Exactly man. I sat down and thought about it one day when there was an argument for him being our greatest player of all time.

He really didn't do much for the national team. Finidi, Amokachi, Oliseh, Okocha, Yekini, Mikel all contributed more.

Atlanta 96 made Kanu a legend..

The quality of the teams, we beat and the names involved makes that tournament our biggest international triumph bar none.

edi287:

Based on his club form.

Make me up when Kanu scores and makes team of the tournament in either AFCON or WC

Yes, you will continue to sleep. Maybe till when Kanu's son does that.

tbaba1234:


Atlanta 96 made Kanu a legend..

The quality of the teams, we beat and the names involved makes that tournament our biggest international triumph bar none.

Still an age grade competition. Kanu never replicated that performance at 3 world cups.

edi287:

Still an age grade competition. Kanu never replicated that performance at 3 world cups.

Doesn't matter. He sealed his legendary status with our biggest international success.Sometimes, that is all it takes.

Nigeria had never beaten such big names on a international stage. Many of the Brazilian players were already superstars.