OneJ:



SERIAL. LIAR, U dodged the questions labelled. "A to E" that 'Peacefullove' asked U on the thread for hellfire topic.
That topic is still trending on this (religion) section of NL.



Previously, U asked me "Who then is Jesus Christ?" My reply was that "I wonder if your brain go fit reason on the answer Matt16:13-17. "You are the Christ. The son of the son of the Living God", Christ said his Father revealed it to Simon Peter.



U threw shades at me rather than confirm what U read in Matt 16:13-17 ( Go read your response in No 11 of this thread).


U usually resort to shades & spurious claims rather than respond to questions put to U.
Stop lying, Oga Primesky.


"We are not stoning you for any of these", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man,claim to be God"..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I AM GOD'S SON" John 10:33-36.

The Jews made the false allegation that Jesus "claim to be God".
Jesus replied them that he is God's son.

Don't get it twisted


"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". John 3:16.
Oga, this Truth is so unpalatable to your ears, go remove am from your Bible na !

Angel na son of God , Jesus Christ na son of God, man na son of God. Until U beg Baba God to give U sense of understanding, your brain no go reset.

Trinity is a man made fallacy. A lie remains a lie, whether U call am Godhead, 3 in 1, 1 in 3 etc.
(Matt 28:19 no call am 3 in 1. Una go forge the lie put for 1 John 5:7kjv, make eee for sweet well well. What a dubious forgery!)
If U like keep throwing shade , U just dey waste your time.

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Oh the Jews erroneously thought he was blasphemous. Indeed!

I have said before, as long as you guys don't believe not understand the way and things of the spirit,even as you guys do not believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit, it will be difficult for you to grasp this truths.

Look at how you're interpreting the picture/image example, purely human, is as if I'm talking to a complete unbeliever. Now, the image is one and the same person, but different capacity and ability. Don't forget we're talking about a spirit being here. I once gave example of this using water, ice and vapour, and I said, that though they be one, they're have different roles and capacities, but are one and the same. How difficult is that to understand?. Oh Lord please have mercy on your people.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

If there exist a Godhead, what or who make up the Godhead?. We are the body of Christ, and He is the head of the church. If the Godhead dwells in Him bodily, who and who make up the Godhead according to the scriptures?.

Will you also say the writer erroneously wrote that?.

Primesky:


I never dogded any question. I left it because you people are master twisters. If one gives you a passage, you will quickly twist it to defend the lie you profess. The lies of your group is too much, I opened a thread to discuss it, you all avoided it like a plague.

Every question peacefullove have asked there I have answered them before. Yet it keeps revolving along the same line. But thank God for those among you who have come out of that cult, who made it clear to me how you guys operate. That's why many Christians don't waste time arguing with you guys, the subtlety is beyond normal. If it's to convince you, I won't. I will pray God do that, because only the Holy Spirit whom you guys have rejected will help you. I will only reply you guys when I know you're misleading people here.


Oh Lord!, look at at what I'm saying again. See how you've twisted the passage you quoted above.

Why did the Jew's pick up stones?. Because Jesus said He is the Son of God. Jesus asked them, many good works I gave done, for which one do you want to stone me, and they said not for those but for calling yourself the son of God. And the bible clearly explained how they inteterpreted that. But see how you twisted it, and left out the flesh. So the naive person will think you're right. May God deliver his children from such wickedness you guys are perpetuating.


John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Follow the build up of that story above. The action of the Jews was not out of ignorance. Who else goes by the title ' the Son Of God's as if He Aline is the son of God. But we all are God's sons. It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept, and it's a shame. Stop twisting scriptures.

The only liar I can see here is the one who blantanly denies that Jesus Christ is not only the Son if God, but also God. That is the liar I can see. Because the bible said it, but he denies it. Since the bible can't lie, then they are the liars!.

tomakint:


Primesky please give it a rest on this trinity issue at least from here, Maamin has given a detailed picture of what the Bible says on it, if God is the head of Christ, what else do you want to hear? Read your Bible with the leading of the Holy Spirit and not by Dogma, you will see the mysteries enshrouded to you being exposed. Thank you brother Maamin

Primesky:


I never dogded any question. I left it because you people are master twisters. If one gives you a passage, you will quickly twist it to defend the lie you profess. The lies of your group is too much, I opened a thread to discuss it, you all avoided it like a plague.

Every question peacefullove have asked there I have answered them before. Yet it keeps revolving along the same line. But thank God for those among you who have come out of that cult, who made it clear to me how you guys operate. That's why many Christians don't waste time arguing with you guys, the subtlety is beyond normal. If it's to convince you, I won't. I will pray God do that, because only the Holy Spirit whom you guys have rejected will help you. I will only reply you guys when I know you're misleading people here.


Oh Lord!, look at at what I'm saying again. See how you've twisted the passage you quoted above.

Why did the Jew's pick up stones?. Because Jesus said He is the Son of God. Jesus asked them, many good works I gave done, for which one do you want to stone me, and they said not for those but for calling yourself the son of God. And the bible clearly explained how they inteterpreted that. But see how you twisted it, and left out the flesh. So the naive person will think you're right. May God deliver his children from such wickedness you guys are perpetuating.


John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Follow the build up of that story above. The action of the Jews was not out of ignorance. Who else goes by the title ' the Son Of God's as if He Aline is the son of God. But we all are God's sons. It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept, and it's a shame. Stop twisting scriptures.

The only liar I can see here is the one who blantanly denies that Jesus Christ is not only the Son if God, but also God. That is the liar I can see. Because the bible said it, but he denies it. Since the bible can't lie, then they are the liars!.

OneJ:


I did not & will NEVER twist the holy scriptures.

U said "who else goes by the title ' the son of God' as if he alone is the son of God. But we are all God's sons.

Let's see who actually is a LIAR.

This your statement ", It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept....".
Q1) Primesky,pls prove it with your Bible.

Aside Jesus Christ ,Isaac is the only other person the holy scriptures called "only begotten son" Hebrew 11:17,.

Q2) Primesky, did Isaac share the same nature & essence as Abraham?
Q3 Is Isaac & his Father, Abraham, one?
Q4) Does Isaac share equality with Abraham ?
Pls respond.
Shalom.

Primesky:


Hahaha... Please bro., understand what you're talking about first. We're talking about the almighty God here. You see, there goes the twisting I'm talking about. Issac is the only begotten son of who, God or Abraham?. Get your analogy right please.

The way God brought about Jesus is not the same way Abraham brought about Issac. One is the almighty God, the other is a human being. Again, all the angels and all humans, likewise all spirits, including those who have now corrupted themselves, where all brought forth from God directly, that is why they are called sons of God. But for Jesus Christ, He is called 'the Son of God', meaning, He is the full embodiment of God Himself. That is why He could say, whoever have seen me, have seen the Father.

I ask you again, if there exist a Godhead, and this God head is embodied in Jesus Christ as the scriptures said, who and what makes up that Godhead?. If it the be that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him, can He in any way still be different, since He is carrying the fullness of the Godhead?. Please answer it.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

For your questions in 2, 3, & 4 above, I will ask you too, why did the Jews, knowing this, according to you, claim that Jesus was making Himself God?.

Secondly, with what you asked in question three, do you agree that Jesus Christ lied when He by himself, said, I and my Father are one?, the very statement that led the Jews to accuse Him of blasphemy. Please answer that as well.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Even when Jesus said it, you're disputing it. When I say you do not yet truly know the real Jesus Christ, this is the evidence. That you will see a scripture given, and still go ahead to dispute it, all in an attempt to further a creed not supported by the bible.

Primesky:


Hahaha... Please bro., understand what you're talking about first. We're talking about the almighty God here. You see, there goes the twisting I'm talking about. Issac is the only begotten son of who, God or Abraham?. Get your analogy right please.

The way God brought about Jesus is not the same way Abraham brought about Issac. One is the almighty God, the other is a human being. Again, all the angels and all humans, likewise all spirits, including those who have now corrupted themselves, where all brought forth from God directly, that is why they are called sons of God. But for Jesus Christ, He is called 'the Son of God', meaning, He is the full embodiment of God Himself. That is why He could say, whoever have seen me, have seen the Father.

I ask you again, if there exist a Godhead, and this God head is embodied in Jesus Christ as the scriptures said, who and what makes up that Godhead?. If it the be that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him, can He in any way still be different, since He is carrying the fullness of the Godhead?. Please answer it.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

For your questions in 2, 3, & 4 above, I will ask you too, why did the Jews, knowing this, according to you, claim that Jesus was making Himself God?.

Secondly, with what you asked in question three, do you agree that Jesus Christ lied when He by himself, said, I and my Father are one?, the very statement that led the Jews to accuse Him of blasphemy. Please answer that as well.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Even when Jesus said it, you're disputing it. When I say you do not yet truly know the real Jesus Christ, this is the evidence. That you will see a scripture given, and still go ahead to dispute it, all in an attempt to further a creed not supported by the bible.

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That didn't answer the question at all!. God the Father remains the Head of the Trinity.

The argument against Jesus Christ being part of that is the subject of contention!. So don't hide behind that verse.

The question for those who say, Jesus Christ is not God is, how come He, Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily?. How can a non God, according to some persons, now be the fullness of the Godhead?.

I have tried to use water, ice and vapour to explain this thing, and I said, the head of this trinity of water, ice, and vapour, is water!. They all revolve around water!. Yet they are one!. God the Father is the Head of Christ, God the Father is the Head of the Holy Spirit. But are we saying there are now three Gods?. No!. We still have one person manifested in trinity!.

If Jesus is talking, or if the Holy spirit is talking, they can only talk in terms of the Head, which is God the Father, because they are one, and united!. They can't exist without the Head!. Why are you people confusing yourselves on this?.

It's very easy to let this matter go, but for someone to say that Jesus Christ is not God, but a created being just like us, is completely false!, and it will be wrong for believers to keep quiet about that.

May the love if God rule our heart. But ultimately, may the truth of God's word prevail. Shalom

tomakint:


Next time for clarity purpose try to read more verses to finish off your half quoted verses especially on John 10: 30 - 31 you quoted. If you take the pain to read further you will find the true answer from our Lord Jesus Christ that he never equated himself as God at all but he corrected the misconception from the Jews who accused him of making himself God through the blasphemy allegations when Jesus said; John 10: 32 - 36

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I (Jesus Christ) said, I am the Son of God?

Looking at the last verse and the bolden part you will now understand that Jesus referred to himself as Son of God and not what the Jews accused him of. Primesky detached your soul from dogma but allow the Holy Spirit to teach you the scriptures. Jesus Christ is the Son of God the "Only Begotten Son of God and he is not Yahweh, God Almighty but a different and distinct Supernatural being from God who attained the Status of being worshipped as seen in Revelations when only God his Father transferred such authority unto him so my brother, they are never the same thing as Trinity erroneously teaches you.

OneJ:


What did U read in Hebrew 11:17 ? Why is Isaac called "only begotten son ?"
U never answer those my questions No1 -4. U just dey rigmarole., dey twist my post out of context.
Yes !!!!.

"Godhead" na forgery. Eee no dey Bible manuscript.
Yes !
Colossians 2:9, & Romans 1:20, in the Greek interlinear texts (word for word transliteration ) to English, the word " Godhead" does not exist in God's word.

Primesky, Is your "Godhead" meaning the same thing as "deity/ divine "? Pls ,give frank answers

https://www.biblehub.com/interlinear/Colossians/2.htm


John 10:30 My Father & I are one.

"For this reason a man will leave his Father and mother and BE UNITED to his wife and the two will become ONE flesh.
So they are no longer two, but ONE"
Matt19:5,6.

Amos 3:3 " Can two walk together unless THEY HAVE AGREED to do so"

Pls take note of those words in big letters. They show U the real meaning of Jesus words in John 10:30.
Shalom

Primesky:


Very good, why don't you also finish the chapter, after the clarification, what did the Jew do?. Now, I'm asking you, since we all are 'gods' likewise angels, why is Jesus always referred to as 'the Son of God'?. You did definite article in school I suppose. Why use it as if He is the only one?. Now, in quoting that verse, you stylishly left out the definite article, why do you guys do this?. Talking about reading the whole passage, after the clarification, let's also see what happened thereafter, which you also left out.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus said, ye are gods in verses 34 & 35. After making the statement that ye are gods, He said '..I am the Son of God, in verse 36, not I am a son, or one of the gods. Tell me are the two statements the same?. Why is he 'the Son of God'?, and the rest, gods?. Why have the Son, when we have many of them?. After repeating the statement again, the Jews still sort to take Him, why?.

If Jesus is not God, what is the essence of this verse of scripture?.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Why on earth should a non God even think of such to begin with?. Do we then have many Gods and not one?!. You need the Holy Spirit to teach you this properly.

If you do not believe in the deity of Christ, you don't know God, Period!.

My dear, don't be decieved. Jesus is not only the Son of God, but also God. He is a unique person of the God head, just as your spirit is a unique person from your body, and yet one being. Why are you disputing what the bible says. Haven't you read John 1:1-3?.

Primesky:


Oh, now, we are back to referencing sites. When I do, it's fake. When you do is authentic?. Hahaha...

How do I now believe the site?. Knowing there are people who believe what you believe, and their are people who believe what I believe, and each will be saying divergent things. That's how it happened with 'The son of God' issue,. You have people who said it wasn't there, yet we have people who clearly pointed it out that it was so. So what do we now do?. The bible verses are enough for you my dear. God is not the author of confusion. My point to you is, come out of that false religion first, I know you thought to defend it with everything you have, and by whatever means possible. Your former colleagues can attest to that.

It is finished!. Whenever the matter gets to you, you call it forgery. You are the one misinterpreting the bible here. Yes, those passages exist and are true, but they do not apply in this context, neither do they apply to the person of God as they do to you and me!. If Godhead is forgery as contained in the bible, then what should we take as truth, watch tower dogma?. May God have mercy on you people.

See eh, the problem you are having, is you do not believe in man having spirit and soul dwelling in his body you can see, if only you understand this, we can make a head way. Other than this, you won't comprehend it.

Tell me, is it possible for Seven spirits, all conscious, active, alive, to live in one single human body?. The bible said this, is that one forgery too.


My father and I are one, if it means what you're saying, the jews wouldn't have tried to stone him. Jesus went on to say that, He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, He also told Philip anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. Again, the bible said, in Jesus Christ dwellet the fullness of the Godhead bodily, can't you see the link, rather than trying everything wrong to disprove it.

We talked about Jesus being the son of God, you people said no, it's forgery. We now talk about Godhead, you are now say it's forgery as well. You and your colleagues are simply living the lie you've been told.

So many bible verses are given for you to read and understand, but you just pick and chose, just to defend a false religion.

You are repeating the Isaac question again, after the explanation.

How did God beget all His sons?. How did He beget Jesus Christ?. And why is Jesus Christ always 'the Son of God and not just god, or a god?. Will you also call that one fake and a forgery?. You can never understand it, nor will your religious dogma support it. Because you first of all do not believe that, the physical man you're seeing has other personalities withing him, who make up the real man. Without this, all I will be saying will be falling to the ground. Only the Spirit of God, who is also God, can reveal it to you. Will you also dispute that the Holy Spirit is God, or will you call it forgery?. The truth is open for the humble soul to see.

Primesky:


Oh, now, we are back to referencing sites. When I do, it's fake. When you do is authentic?. Hahaha...

How do I now believe the site?. Knowing there are people who believe what you believe, and their are people who believe what I believe, and each will be saying divergent things. That's how it happened with 'The son of God' issue,. You have people who said it wasn't there, yet we have people who clearly pointed it out that it was so. So what do we now do?. The bible verses are enough for you my dear. God is not the author of confusion. My point to you is, come out of that false religion first, I know you thought to defend it with everything you have, and by whatever means possible. Your former colleagues can attest to that.

It is finished!. Whenever the matter gets to you, you call it forgery. You are the one misinterpreting the bible here. Yes, those passages exist and are true, but they do not apply in this context, neither do they apply to the person of God as they do to you and me!. If Godhead is forgery as contained in the bible, then what should we take as truth, watch tower dogma?. May God have mercy on you people.

See eh, the problem you are having, is you do not believe in man having spirit and soul dwelling in his body you can see, if only you understand this, we can make a head way. Other than this, you won't comprehend it.

Tell me, is it possible for Seven spirits, all conscious, active, alive, to live in one single human body?. The bible said this, is that one forgery too.


My father and I are one, if it means what you're saying, the jews wouldn't have tried to stone him. Jesus went on to say that, He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, He also told Philip anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. Again, the bible said, in Jesus Christ dwellet the fullness of the Godhead bodily, can't you see the link, rather than trying everything wrong to disprove it.

We talked about Jesus being the son of God, you people said no, it's forgery. We now talk about Godhead, you are now say it's forgery as well. You and your colleagues are simply living the lie you've been told.

So many bible verses are given for you to read and understand, but you just pick and chose, just to defend a false religion.

You are repeating the Isaac question again, after the explanation.

How did God beget all His sons?. How did He beget Jesus Christ?. And why is Jesus Christ always 'the Son of God and not just god, or a god?. Will you also call that one fake and a forgery?. You can never understand it, nor will your religious dogma support it. Because you first of all do not believe that, the physical man you're seeing has other personalities withing him, who make up the real man. Without this, all I will be saying will be falling to the ground. Only the Spirit of God, who is also God, can reveal it to you. Will you also dispute that the Holy Spirit is God, or will you call it forgery?. The truth is open for the humble soul to see.

Primesky:


Oh, now, we are back to referencing sites. When I do, it's fake. When you do is authentic?. Hahaha...

How do I now believe the site?. Knowing there are people who believe what you believe, and their are people who believe what I believe, and each will be saying divergent things. That's how it happened with 'The son of God' issue,. You have people who said it wasn't there, yet we have people who clearly pointed it out that it was so. So what do we now do?. The bible verses are enough for you my dear. God is not the author of confusion. My point to you is, come out of that false religion first, I know you thought to defend it with everything you have, and by whatever means possible. Your former colleagues can attest to that.

It is finished!. Whenever the matter gets to you, you call it forgery. You are the one misinterpreting the bible here. Yes, those passages exist and are true, but they do not apply in this context, neither do they apply to the person of God as they do to you and me!. If Godhead is forgery as contained in the bible, then what should we take as truth, watch tower dogma?. May God have mercy on you people.

See eh, the problem you are having, is you do not believe in man having spirit and soul dwelling in his body you can see, if only you understand this, we can make a head way. Other than this, you won't comprehend it.

Tell me, is it possible for Seven spirits, all conscious, active, alive, to live in one single human body?. The bible said this, is that one forgery too.


My father and I are one, if it means what you're saying, the jews wouldn't have tried to stone him. Jesus went on to say that, He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, He also told Philip anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. Again, the bible said, in Jesus Christ dwellet the fullness of the Godhead bodily, can't you see the link, rather than trying everything wrong to disprove it.

We talked about Jesus being the son of God, you people said no, it's forgery. We now talk about Godhead, you are now say it's forgery as well. You and your colleagues are simply living the lie you've been told.

So many bible verses are given for you to read and understand, but you just pick and chose, just to defend a false religion.

You are repeating the Isaac question again, after the explanation.

How did God beget all His sons?. How did He beget Jesus Christ?. And why is Jesus Christ always 'the Son of God and not just god, or a god?. Will you also call that one fake and a forgery?. You can never understand it, nor will your religious dogma support it. Because you first of all do not believe that, the physical man you're seeing has other personalities withing him, who make up the real man. Without this, all I will be saying will be falling to the ground. Only the Spirit of God, who is also God, can reveal it to you. Will you also dispute that the Holy Spirit is God, or will you call it forgery?. The truth is open for the humble soul to see.

OneJ:
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U get brain but U refused to use it. U have not answered my 4 questions.

"Godhead" was dubiously smuggled into Colossians 2:9 & Romans 1:20. In the Greek Interlinear, the actual word in there is "deity/ divine".


The Greek interlinear NEVER lies.
U can never prove it wrong. No website can prove the New Testament Greek interlinear wrong.
So stop throwing shade.


The Isaac questions. remained unanswered. I no fit know why U dey dodge am....

Is Isaac & Abraham one ? Do they share the same nature & essence? How is Isaac "only begotten son"?

U dey say "why is Jesus always the son of God & not just god or a god?" as if U done forget sey him be your God. U done dey change mouth.


Today your Jesus is the son of God, the next minute U done change Jesus to God.

It is a Fraud to quote Phillipians 2: 6,7 & dodge verse 5. If U dey honest, then quote verse 5 join.

tomakint:


If there is a personality that should be an expert in the teachings of the relationship that exists among God Almighty, His Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit, that personality should be our Lord Jesus Christ. Hear him here in John 14: 8-28;

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Now reading through this I hope you can see Jesus Christ our Lord and SAVIOUR establishing the whole raw truth about his relationship with the Father (God Almighty, Yahweh) and not equating himself as God but the Son of God begotten of God which made him to conclude that "The Father (Yahweh, God Almighty) is greater than him (Jesus Christ)! Please my dear brother, I perceived you are either a Pastor or the Founder of a Church hence, your resistance to simple "corrections in the Lord" we are trying to make you see on this "Trinity Doctrine" you are peddling. Read those scriptures meditatively with an open heart and learn the truth my brother. I will rather believe the Word of Jesus than the Apostles" why? Jesus Christ was A Divine being, a God (not Almighty God), begotten of God not created like the Angels, a powerful Suoernatural Being unlike the Apostles who were mere mortals. Jesus Christ is indeed a loving SAVIOUR who did not peddle falsehood because he came from God!

Primesky:


Ah wonderful!. Well, just to let you know, I am not a pastor, nor am I a founder of any religious group. I am simply a child and servant of the most high God. It is my duty, by the help of the Holy Spirit of God, to defend the truth when it's being attacked.

What you said above is totally shocking to say the least. By inference, you're saying the Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ gave inaccurate information about who Jesus Christ is. Numerous bible verses point to the fact that Jesus is not only the son of God, but also God. Now, with what you're saying, it then means that, everything said by the Apostles and disciples cannot be taken seriously.

But you're strongly mistaken my dear. Let's look at that passage again.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, or the Word of God, the second person of the trinity, stripped himself of all His glory, and pushed aside all attention from Himself when He decided to come to earth. This mindset, made Him to always refer to God the way He did, at some point however like the case of Philip, He revealed a little of who He is. But for this mindset, Jesus would have told the Jews, look, I created you, which is correct, but not once did He say that, rather He said God did, not once did He emphatically say, I am God, why?, that's what the passage in Philippians is telling you. Because after His death and resurrection, the matter was now revealed to these guys(disciples) by the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come to show Himself, rather, He humbled Himself, so that we by observing and following, may learn. Otherwise, how could we learn to pray to God, or serve, or humble, submit to God?. But because someone like Jesus Christ did it, even angels have no excuse, let alone us. You have to understand this. You can not have the Holy Spirit of God, and not understand this truth, except you're of a strange religious group or you're a young believer still growing, me too, I'm still growing and learning, I haven't arrived yet, but this truth I know, and I will say it.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


The comforter is the Holy Spirit of God, here He is to testify of who Jesus Christ is, the question is, why didn't Jesus do it himself there and then while He was yet on earth, wouldn't that be better?. When Jesus came, He focused on the Father, when the Holy Spirit came, He focused on Jesus Christ. Can you see an order there?. No one speaks more of Himself. That is the perfect harmony exiting in the Godhead. God is one, manifesting himself in three persons!

Now, look at the last verse of the above, Jesus whom you said you will rather believe, said that those disciples who are with him will bear witness. The question is, witness of who and what?. By what means?. Now these disciples and apostles have testified about Jesus, and you deny and reject it because of a biased mindset born out of self belief of what the truths and reality aught to be. Brother, I think you need to consider your believe., because not accepting the totality of who Christ is, is not accepting Him at all.

tomakint:


I just knew it that you will take my words out of context which had made this debate thus long because you do too to others here. I will NEVER discard the words of the Apostles like you assume but my point here is that on matters of this nature (like the Trinity doctrine you are peddling) I will rather stick with Christ's position as I stated it clearly in John 14 that I gave you but you must understand that it is not my right or within my power to force my understanding of those verses in that chapter on you, you have a right to believe what you want. Looking at the teachings of the Apostles right from Acts of the Apostles to the book of Jude, I am yet to see where Trinity was preached like you are doing now because I have already shown you how the Doctrine of Trinity came into being erroneously when actually the purpose of the debate then at the Council of Nicea was to discuss the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ as being more than a human being born of an Earthly father, Joseph. I am not changing the Bible but you are by peddling what Jesus Christ, who remains the Perfect Authority to tell us about Trinity as you preach it, but He never did, so if you are truly a follower of Jesus Christ like you are saying, why are you preaching, laying emphasis on what he never talked about as being championed at the 325 AD Nicene Creed by Caeser Constantine. My brother, I still believe you will learn the truth as we progress in this soul lifting debates. Shalom

Primesky:


Ah wonderful!. Well, just to let you know, I am not a pastor, nor am I a founder of any religious group. I am simply a child and servant of the most high God. It is my duty, by the help of the Holy Spirit of God, to defend the truth when it's being attacked.

What you said above is totally shocking to say the least. By inference, you're saying the Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ gave inaccurate information about who Jesus Christ is. Numerous bible verses point to the fact that Jesus is not only the son of God, but also God. Now, with what you're saying, it then means that, everything said by the Apostles and disciples cannot be taken seriously.

But you're strongly mistaken my dear. Let's look at that passage again.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, or the Word of God, the second person of the trinity, stripped himself of all His glory, and pushed aside all attention from Himself when He decided to come to earth. This mindset, made Him to always refer to God the way He did, at some point however like the case of Philip, He revealed a little of who He is. But for this mindset, Jesus would have told the Jews, look, I created you, which is correct, but not once did He say that, rather He said God did, not once did He emphatically say, I am God, why?, that's what the passage in Philippians is telling you. Because after His death and resurrection, the matter was now revealed to these guys(disciples) by the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come to show Himself, rather, He humbled Himself, so that we by observing and following, may learn. Otherwise, how could we learn to pray to God, or serve, or humble, submit to God?. But because someone like Jesus Christ did it, even angels have no excuse, let alone us. You have to understand this. You can not have the Holy Spirit of God, and not understand this truth, except you're of a strange religious group or you're a young believer still growing, me too, I'm still growing and learning, I haven't arrived yet, but this truth I know, and I will say it.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


The comforter is the Holy Spirit of God, here He is to testify of who Jesus Christ is, the question is, why didn't Jesus do it himself there and then while He was yet on earth, wouldn't that be better?. When Jesus came, He focused on the Father, when the Holy Spirit came, He focused on Jesus Christ. Can you see an order there?. No one speaks more of Himself. That is the perfect harmony exiting in the Godhead. God is one, manifesting himself in three persons!

Now, look at the last verse of the above, Jesus whom you said you will rather believe, said that those disciples who are with him will bear witness. The question is, witness of who and what?. By what means?. Now these disciples and apostles have testified about Jesus, and you deny and reject it because of a biased mindset born out of self belief of what the truths and reality aught to be. Brother, I think you need to consider your believe., because not accepting the totality of who Christ is, is not accepting Him at all.

Primesky:


We are still saying the same thing. You have every evidence in the bible, yet you choose not to accept it. Is Philippians 2:5-10, a forged account of what and who Jesus is?. Why do you pick and choose scriptures?.

I showed you what Jesus said about the apostles, and disciples bearing witness, but that will not be OK for you. John the beloved, gave us his own version in John chapter 1, are all of these forged, or are you picking and choosing to defend your believe?. Nothing can be done against the truth.

OneJ:


U dey amuse me indeed. In John 15:26,27,U dey quote, make U talk true, did JESUS say that "the Comforter" ,the holy spirit is God?

"Godhead" is a fallacy & dubious insertion into the holy scriptures.

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" Col 2:9. "And you have been given the fullness in Christ..." Col 2:10.
U no see say we be God?

Romans1:20 "For since the creation of the world,God's invisible qualities- his eternal power & divine nature have been clearly seen"


Primesky, U see "Godhead" for there ?
Does "deity" mean Godhead? Does "divine nature" mean Godhead? Pls reply.

KJV was translated into English from a corrupted texts, the 16th century textus receptus.


Phil 2:5-7, dey talk say because U (Primesky) have the same mindset wey Christ get, U dey in the form ("form" = Greek morphé= image) of God, therefore your equality with God is not robbery (no be for yanga).

In other words, as I get the same mindset of Christ, &I dey in the image of God, my equality with God no be robbery for me to dey do yanga..

Shalom.

tomakint:


Our brother just needs to be freed from dogma of trinity he is entangled in.....

Primesky:


Oh Lord!, look at at what I'm saying again. See how you've twisted the passage you quoted above.

budaatum:

Primesky my friend, I see buda is not the only one who twists the Bible, according to you. Seems you are the only one who has the untwisted version.

I'm worried about you.

Primesky:


At the end of the day, the truth is, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life!. If any man have Him, he has life, otherwise no life.

budaatum:
See that word in bold? That's the issue, Prime.
You seem to mean 'have' as in a "Lord Lord".
While I am talking about a "do my will" sort of 'have'.
_Ref

MuttleyLaff:
Going to be at Esquire this evening for Naija Guinness and Abula anywhere aound 4:45-6:45 PM today.
Holler Muttley at the entrance to treat you to whatever they have you so desire

budaatum:
Not gonna make it. Enjoy.

Primesky:


[s]If you do not believe in the Trinity, you do not believe in God. Denial of the trinity is an agenda of Satan to sideline Jesus Christ, and if he succeeds in making you accept that, your connection to God is broken.[/s] Because without Jesus Christ, you cannnot get to God.

Now stop swallowing the lies of watch tower. Jesus Christ was never created, watch tower is the one twisting and lieing about the person of Jesus Christ.

To show you the falsehood of that organization, I will like you tomakint, to answer these questions that Peaceful love and oneJ have refused to answer.

1. When Jesus came in 1914 according to watch tower, where did He enter, and where is He now. What actually did the Bible say about the time and coming of Jesus Christ?.

2. Jesus Christ commanded that we observe the holy communion, so why do you guys make a mockery of it?, are you not then mocking Jesus Christ who gave the command?.

3. How did Jesus Christ rise from the dead, bodily or spiritually?.

4. Is spirit a being or a mere force?. If yes, can mere force talk, teach and reason with people?.

Let me stop here. Please do well to answer the above questions. Thank you.