₦airaland Forum

dochenaj:
Aguiyi obviously was not a violent man, and that was the more reason that he refused to believe there was mutiny in the army and had blind trust in his Chief of Staff. The same apathy towards violence was what made him to keep the coup plotters in prison.

Ojukwu might get some blame for how he managed the war, and how he treated his lieutenants. I don't believe the secession was a bad call considering the massive killings of Igbos both civilian and military going on in the North without any decisive action from Gowon.

He was however not doing badly in the war initially until his lieutenants became disgusted with how he managed the victories won and decided to withdraw from conquered territories. And unfortunately that action cost the likes of Ifeajuna, Banjo, etc their lives as they were eventually executed for treason. And with that a growing dissension from the lieutenants and viola Biafra fell.

Azikiwe had ambitions of being the president of the largest black nation in the world. And it was said ambition that made him and Awolowo to not support the secession. In hindsight, I laugh at both men in Spanish.

Shayetet13:
Am not here to exchange words with you. Tell me the history book you have read. As for Ojukwu releasing Awolowo from calabar prison with an agreement, you will see it all over the internet and also in CIA redacted files online.

dochenaj:
Aguiyi obviously was not a violent man, and that was the more reason that he refused to believe there was mutiny in the army and had blind trust in his Chief of Staff. The same apathy towards violence was what made him to keep the coup plotters in prison.

Ojukwu might get some blame for how he managed the war, and how he treated his lieutenants. I don't believe the secession was a bad call considering the massive killings of Igbos both civilian and military going on in the North without any decisive action from Gowon.

He was however not doing badly in the war initially until his lieutenants became disgusted with how he managed the victories won and decided to withdraw from conquered territories. And unfortunately that action cost the likes of Ifeajuna, Banjo, etc their lives as they were eventually executed for treason. And with that a growing dissension from the lieutenants and viola Biafra fell.

Azikiwe had ambitions of being the president of the largest black nation in the world. And it was said ambition that made him and Awolowo to not support the secession. In hindsight, I laugh at both men in Spanish.

Most people don’t know that it was Zik who opposed Awo against the provision for secession in our constitution.

If Zik had not opposed Awolowo and if he had not won the day, there would have been no justification to fight Ojukwu for secession and definitely no need for this second round of Biafra agitation.

It was an Igbo man who laid the Bobby trap that later caught off the Biafrans legs for self-determination.

Xander85:
You guys are funny! It's easy to pick holes at the actions or inactions of Ironsi as you have the benefit of hindsight! Who knows how things would have panned out if the northern soldiers hadn't been hell-bent on visiting retribution on anyone perceived to be Igbo for the sins of a few soldiers who were from other ethnic groups as well!

I know your next line of argument would be that Ironsi should have had the coupists tried and executed to calm things. Probably so, but this is where his naivety comes in. He didn't chose that option out of malice towards northern muslims and wanting to 'protect' his kinsfolk as i'm sure you want to suggest, and this can be seen in how he naively trusted and surrounded himself with northerners right up till his death. He didn't seem to appreciate the fact northern muslim soldiers had it in for him...this gullible, naive and trusting nature has been a problem i've noticed with many politicians from the east in their relations with those from other ethnic grps in Nigeria!

This unification thing you keep on harping on about; when the decree was promulgated, did it also distort the fiscal set-up of the federation? If it did, care to tell me how the Eastern Region that was comfortable with the formula at the time would have benefited from said unification decree?

Fact of the matter is whatever misgivings one has on the actions of Ironsi, it should be noted that whatever he did or didn't do wasn't because there was a clandestine plan by Ndigbo to take advantage of the situation to dominate everyone else. But something tells me due to you rabid hate and suspicion for Ndigbo, you'd beg to differ!

bisi16:
Which general public? Only a section. Coup plotting is punishable by death regardless. Especially when they didn’t even kill one Igbo personality. 2, these coup plotters were imprisoned in Enugu where they were living like kings.

graphiti:
that is d fact that really caused d progrom in d north which d SE coyly shy away from.

Bootomline: If, irons I had executed d coupists, which had taken an ethnic coloration given d fact dt d SE political bigwigs were spared d hot bullets, d rest of Nigeria won't have seen it as a sectional coup.

graphiti:
that is d fact that really caused d progrom in d north which d SE coyly shy away from.

Bootomline: If, irons I had executed d coupists, which had taken an ethnic coloration given d fact dt d SE political bigwigs were spared d hot bullets, d rest of Nigeria won't have seen it as a sectional coup.

gurnam:
“You will see it on the internet and CIA redacted files”

Why not simply do us a favour and provide a link to your weird claim!

Ojukwu released Awo and awo stepped into the west and Gowon then made him Finance minister.

Igbos and weird tales by month light are like

Trendirabingi:
many of dis afonjas are so either outrightly ignorant, or deliberatly ratty,, not coming to terms with acknowledging dis..

graphiti:
that is d fact that really caused d progrom in d north which d SE coyly shy away from.

Bootomline: If, irons I had executed d coupists, which had taken an ethnic coloration given d fact dt d SE political bigwigs were spared d hot bullets, d rest of Nigeria won't have seen it as a sectional coup.

gurnam:
“You will see it on the internet and CIA redacted files”

Why not simply do us a favour and provide a link to your weird claim!

Ojukwu released Awo and awo stepped into the west and Gowon then made him Finance minister.

Igbos and weird tales by month light are like

PrecisionFx:
Pls sir who released Awolowo and from which prison was he released?

graphiti:
that is d fact that really caused d progrom in d north which d SE coyly shy away from.

Bootomline: If, irons I had executed d coupists, which had taken an ethnic coloration given d fact dt d SE political bigwigs were spared d hot bullets, d rest of Nigeria won't have seen it as a sectional coup.

Shayetet13:
[s]Do the search. Its all there in the internet! I will not make it easy for you! The northerners on the advice of the british put awolowo into the government to bring the yorubas onboard, with the promise of making him the president later on, since he was the yoruba leader. The northerners however never trusted him. After the war, and he has served his purpose,you saw how the northerners treated him and later killed him when he started protesting that they are not keeping to the[/s]end of their bargain of making him president.

gurnam:
You want us to debate this ? With facts?

gurnam:
Stop boring me with rubbish conjectures

PrecisionFx:
please answer my question.

The question is: if Ojukwu signed the warrant, how did the effectuation of the warrant wait for so long until it coincided with the order given by Lt.Col Yakubu Gowon at the head of the revenge coup, for Awolowo to be released? This is an important question because Awolowo was not released until seven months after the first coup of the year. The historic task fell upon the revenge coup makers who had toppled General Aguiyi Ironsi after a rigorously organized pogrom against the Igbo, with a number of other Southerners added to the kill. It was certainly to gain a wider base than their Northern security ambitions allowed that the release of Awolowo from Calabar Prison was announced.

It leaves a sneaking feeling that Ojukwu’s powers over the Eastern Region, to which all Igbo in the Nigerian diaspora had to return in search of a safe haven, had not yet become so all-pervasive as to be able to countermand a swiftly executed decision by Federal authorities intent on releasing Awolowo from jail. Nor would it have been politic for Ojukwu, even if he had the power, to attempt to prevent Awolowo from being released after a Federal order to that effect. It would have amounted to holding Awolowo hostage. Could it be said then that in order not to fall into the role of ostage taker, Lt. Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu, as Military Governor of the Eastern Region carried out an order

Shayetet13:
[s]Your laziness or bias will not let you get facts readily available. Calling hard facts conjectures. Anyways, there is no need to continue a conversation that leads no where. If you decide to check if i am right or wrong, that's up to you. In the meantime, the discussion is over![/s]

gurnam:
That will answer you

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/awolowo-and-the-forgotten-documents-of-the-civil-war-by-odia-ofeimun-3/amp/

PrecisionFx:
nice.

Now have u ever heard about this quote from Chief Obafemi Awolowo?


If the East goes, The west will go?

The other forgotten document of the civil had a better chance but its absence from circulation for a long time, was no less a tragedy. It was supposedly captured among other tapes of the Biafran Broadcasting Corporation when Enugu fell to Federal troops. The tapes were transcribed with glee, according to Awolowo, by those who thought it would finally nail him for the agreement he reached with Ojukwu to have the Western Region secede with the East as Radio Biafra never stopped insisting. As it turned out no such thing, is to be found in the tapes. Rather Awolowo was making a passionate plea for the continuance of Nigeria as a single political entity.

gurnam:
Any link??

Read the link I gave you, you will see what he said and how igbos turned it upside down later to start claiming what you wrote

graphiti:
that is d fact that really caused d progrom in d north which d SE coyly shy away from.

Bootomline: If, irons I had executed d coupists, which had taken an ethnic coloration given d fact dt d SE political bigwigs were spared d hot bullets, d rest of Nigeria won't have seen it as a sectional coup.

PrecisionFx:
Pls answer the question.

gidgiddy:
This is a stupid attempt at trying to justifying genocide. To say that because Ironsi did not try and execute the coup plotters is why people should go and start killing men, women and children from a part of the country

That's like saying that since Buhari has not been able to arrest, try and execute his fellow Fulani Herdsmen for all the people they have killed, we are all justified to go after every Fulani we see.

nku5:
Ironsi was so naive. A good soldier but a very naive administrator

yungkels:
there is nothing like 'good old days'
BETTER DAYS AHEAD...

gurnam:
Which question? Stop disturbing me if you can’t read

Read read and read and stop listening to uncles tales

PrecisionFx:
which Igbo leaders were spared in the coup?

Yyeske:
Continue living in denial, choice is yours.
The despicable pogrom up north in 1966 was yes, despicable.
[b][/b]Leave the Fulani herdsmen wahala for now [b][/b]because it precedes your grandparents and mine.

BALLOSKI:
keep deceiving yourself.

In the last 20 years the Yoruba have produced a president and vice president. You belong to the people that are yet to get that in over 30 years . So, don't brag too much.

T9ksy:
Which ibo leaders were killed by the Jan 15th, coupists?