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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Babyvet: 7:20pm On Aug 29, 2018
Nig4Greatness:
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In as much as I love your enthusiasm and your optimism about your dreams and aspirations,you should know that those expectations are not just easy to come by in reality.
There are stiff competitions everywhere for funding and some of the conditions attached to such would probably turn You to slave working for them indirectly.
Beside,how many venture capitalists as you called them are ready to throw their money on some untested ideas and do you expect Canada to throw open their borders just because you have an idea ??..if you think in that direction,then rude shock awaits you.
Even when we talk about how easy it is to get loans from banks in the US doesn't means they just throw open their vault for you just because you have a business idea that's not being put to use.
They are many tech startups in Nigeria that started with nothing but they are doing fine now and progressing with some attracting foreign investors.Typical example of such tech startup is PAYSTACK.google them.they are less than 2yrs old.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2016/12/19/nigerian-fintech-startup-paystack-raises-1-3-million/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjf_63s6ZLdAhWa3oMKHZYXAhUQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw393G6kPQwsjXLc94ur6sYE&ampcf=1

Exactly , whether Canada or US it’s going to be hard . I think Canada is going to be harder though because they have to invest in you. Getting funding is difficult even for natural born citizens.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 9:26pm On Aug 29, 2018
LUCAS99:


Let's just assume that the 5 year - 10 year Background Check requirement is waived and one of the new hires end up crashing an air plane into a tall rise building killing thousands of people again who do you think would be held responsible?

I don't think the Background Check should be waived since it has worked great since 9/11.

The last thing we need is someone from oversea trying to cause harm to the American People.

Remember it only takes just one person...s
I see your point, I still think as long as you dont have any criminal records and your DMV record is good, They wont deny you a Job because you haven't been in the US for 10years lol. A green card holder has the right to work anywhere except those jobs that requires top security clearance, NASA, Officer jobs etc.. A Green card holder who wants to be a pilot will still be subjected to the regular Criminal and driving background check, have the class 1 medical and hold the required certificates and minimum number of flight hours... Can you specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a gren card) that has been denied a Job in the aviation industry because he/she hasnt been in the US for 10 years?

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 9:29pm On Aug 29, 2018
EgunMogaji:


I had a coworker that waited 15 years in line to become a flight controller.

He was finally hired just two years short of aging out.
Isn't This discrimination at the highest level? What were the reasons for the long wait to be an Air traffic controller?
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Dremca(m): 9:30pm On Aug 29, 2018
How much stake do you think Bill gate has in Microsoft. Venture capitalist wouldn't earn dividend until after a break even period and the best thing that would happen to them is make exit or for the company to go public and sell IPO. I would rather have 10% stake in a multi billion dollar business than have 80% in an average business as a founder/shareholder
LUCAS99:


Venture Capitalist that will want 55% or more equity is that one a Venture Capitalist.

Some even want Perpetual Royalty for life.

God forbid if the business becomes successful then they can easily kick you out of a company you created through hard work.

You're better off requesting for a Business Line of Credit OR a Business Loan from the Big Banks.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Dremca(m): 9:41pm On Aug 29, 2018
Jumia recently raised $700m funding from Goldman Sachs making it a unicorn valuing the company at $1.2B. This is an african company being funded by foreign financial company. I can tell you that foreign financial institutions are willing to invest in any viable idea in an emerging market even in the US. They are simply there to make money from ideas.
Nig4Greatness:
....

In as much as I love your enthusiasm and your optimism about your dreams and aspirations,you should know that those expectations are not just easy to come by in reality.
There are stiff competitions everywhere for funding and some of the conditions attached to such would probably turn You to slave working for them indirectly.
Beside,how many venture capitalists as you called them are ready to throw their money on some untested ideas and do you expect Canada to throw open their borders just because you have an idea ??..if you think in that direction,then rude shock awaits you.
Even when we talk about how easy it is to get loans from banks in the US doesn't means they just throw open their vault for you just because you have a business idea that has not been put to use.
They are many tech startups in Nigeria that started with nothing but they are doing fine now and progressing with some attracting foreign investors.Typical example of such tech startup is PAYSTACK.google them.they are less than 2yrs old.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2016/12/19/nigerian-fintech-startup-paystack-raises-1-3-million/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjf_63s6ZLdAhWa3oMKHZYXAhUQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw393G6kPQwsjXLc94ur6sYE&ampcf=1

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by LUCAS99: 9:42pm On Aug 29, 2018
Chapecoense:

I see your point, I still think as long as you dont have any criminal records and your DMV record is good, They wont deny you a Job because you haven't been in the US for 10years lol. A green card holder has the right to work anywhere except those jobs that requires top security clearance, NASA, Officer jobs etc.. A Green card holder who wants to be a pilot will still be subjected to the regular Criminal and driving background check, have the class 1 medical and hold the required certificates and minimum number of flight hours... Can you specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a gren card) that has been denied a Job in the aviation industry because he/she hasnt been in the US for 10 years?

I never said 10 years. I said 5 years -10 years.

For a green card holder that just arrived the United States for about a Month ago and wants to become a Pilot can you please tell me how he is going to pass an FBI Background check since he just arrived the United States.

This is just similar to applying for a Credit Card without a Credit History.

The usual response from the Credit Bureau is denial due to insufficient credit history.

Maybe if you can specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a green card) who is a pilot for the major airlines ( American Airlines, Delta Airlines & United Airlines) then your argument can be considered valid.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by LUCAS99: 10:03pm On Aug 29, 2018
Nig4Greatness:
....

In as much as I love your enthusiasm and your optimism about your dreams and aspirations,you should know that those expectations are not just easy to come by in reality.
There are stiff competitions everywhere for funding and some of the conditions attached to such would probably turn You to slave working for them indirectly.
Beside,how many venture capitalists as you called them are ready to throw their money on some untested ideas and do you expect Canada to throw open their borders just because you have an idea ??..if you think in that direction,then rude shock awaits you.
Even when we talk about how easy it is to get loans from banks in the US doesn't means they just throw open their vault for you just because you have a business idea that has not been put to use.
They are many tech startups in Nigeria that started with nothing but they are doing fine now and progressing with some attracting foreign investors.Typical example of such tech startup is PAYSTACK.google them.they are less than 2yrs old.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2016/12/19/nigerian-fintech-startup-paystack-raises-1-3-million/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjf_63s6ZLdAhWa3oMKHZYXAhUQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw393G6kPQwsjXLc94ur6sYE&ampcf=1

I think he needs to Watch Shark Tank on CNBC and watch how Venture Capitalists like Mike Cuban , Daymond John, Barbara Corcoran, Lori Greiner, Robert Herjevic & Kevin O' Leary squeeze entrepreneurs on the viability of their ideas, then he will realize that isn't that easy to get funding from Venture Capitalists.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 10:11pm On Aug 29, 2018
LUCAS99:


I never said 10 years. I said 5 years -10 years.

For a green card holder that just arrived the United States for about a Month ago and wants to become a Pilot can you please tell me how he is going to pass an FBI Background check since he just arrived the United States.

This is just similar to applying for a Credit Card without a Credit History.

The usual response from the Credit Bureau is denial due to insufficient credit history.

Maybe if you can specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a green card) who is a pilot for the major airlines ( American Airlines, Delta Airlines & United Airlines) then your argument can be considered valid.
Hi.. I dont think you will see any green card holder working as a pilot in any of the big three..
Green card holders are most likely to work for a regional and then flow through to the majors. Usually they are looking at 6 to 10 yrs flying for a regional. Enough time to apply for citizenship. So by the time they flow through to the majors they are already citizens.. Well i still think a green card holder that is a qualified and certificated pilot will not be denied a Job to fly in the US regardless of how long he/she has been living in the US.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 10:18pm On Aug 29, 2018
Chapecoense:

Isn't This discrimination at the highest level? What were the reasons for the long wait to be an Air traffic controller?

So there is a waiting list but they won't tell you what number you're in.

He's sure it has to do with his Iranian last name grin

But he did get in finally.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 10:21pm On Aug 29, 2018
LUCAS99:


I never said 10 years. I said 5 years -10 years.

For a green card holder that just arrived the United States for about a Month ago and wants to become a Pilot can you please tell me how he is going to pass an FBI Background check since he just arrived the United States.

This is just similar to applying for a Credit Card without a Credit History.

The usual response from the Credit Bureau is denial due to insufficient credit history.

Maybe if you can specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a green card) who is a pilot for the major airlines ( American Airlines, Delta Airlines & United Airlines) then your argument can be considered valid.
Further more, Flight schools are also part of the aviation industry, and many of these schools have alot of non US citizens whom are eventually hired as paid flight instructors; Carrying out pilot duties, They haven't been in the US for five years. Some only months, and they are able to work as pilot in command for a small airfract.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 10:22pm On Aug 29, 2018
Chapecoense:

I see your point, I still think as long as you dont have any criminal records and your DMV record is good, They wont deny you a Job because you haven't been in the US for 10years lol. A green card holder has the right to work anywhere except those jobs that requires top security clearance, NASA, Officer jobs etc.. A Green card holder who wants to be a pilot will still be subjected to the regular Criminal and driving background check, have the class 1 medical and hold the required certificates and minimum number of flight hours... Can you specifically tell me anyone (non citizen with a gren card) that has been denied a Job in the aviation industry because he/she hasnt been in the US for 10 years?

Green card residents can fly and do in the USA.


I have received an invitation to work with one of US regional's airlines as a captain, that was not something that US airline used to do, but nowadays because of the shortage they are sponsoring the visa processes for some cases
I have flown the Boeing 737-300 to 737-800 for at least 21 years (about 15,000 hrs on the type) and I have about 3,200 hrs on Twin Otter
Believe it or not, the salary that has been suggested by the US-based airline is not even half of what I get in the middle east, get your self a work in south-east Asia or middle east and stay away from China.

Originally Posted by the737capt View Post
I hold the european and australian passports
737,

I see. So you'd most likely come here as an Aussie on an E3 visa ?

I bet any regional would be quite happy to get you. If you have no FAA Part 121 experience, you'd have to knock out 1,000 hours of it before you could be employed as a captain:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436


I'm a South African expat living and working in the US for the last 30+ years. Currently I'm flying as a B787 Captain for a major.

At least 23 years of age.
Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a U.S. Dept. of Education recognized accrediting organization.
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES).
Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents).
FAA Requirements
FAA commercial airplane category pilot license with an instrument rating.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate.
Meets ALL minimum FAA airplane category ATP requirements (14 C.F.R. 61.159) including successful completion of the ATP written exam.
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,500 hours of total documented flight time.
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time.
90% of the flight time logged in powered lift category aircraft (e.g. AV-8B, F-35B, and V-22) will be credited to the Delta Air Lines 1,000 hour fixed wing turboprop/turbofan requirement.
Minimum of 250 hours PIC in an aircraft categorized as an airplane.
The flight time logged in a powered lift category aircraft cannot be credited towards PIC aircraft time in accordance with 14 C.F.R. 61.159.
Minimum of 50 hours of fixed wing multi-engine time.
https://www.deltajobs.net/pilot_qualifications.htm
https://www.pprune.org/north-america/611670-what-job-could-foreign-10k-hr-777-pilot-get-usa-2.html

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 10:24pm On Aug 29, 2018
EgunMogaji:


So there is a waiting list but they won't tell you what number you're in.

He's sure it has to do with his Iranian last name grin

But he did get in finally.
Lol right... So clearly it was not because he only had a greencard or whatnot. Aviation is all about senoirity, and there is always a list.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Chapecoense(m): 10:31pm On Aug 29, 2018
OyinbowithaTan:


Green card residents can fly and do in the USA.


I have received an invitation to work with one of US regional's airlines as a captain, that was not something that US airline used to do, but nowadays because of the shortage they are sponsoring the visa processes for some cases
I have flown the Boeing 737-300 to 737-800 for at least 21 years (about 15,000 hrs on the type) and I have about 3,200 hrs on Twin Otter
Believe it or not, the salary that has been suggested by the US-based airline is not even half of what I get in the middle east, get your self a work in south-east Asia or middle east and stay away from China.

Originally Posted by the737capt View Post
I hold the european and australian passports
737,

I see. So you'd most likely come here as an Aussie on an E3 visa ?

I bet any regional would be quite happy to get you. If you have no FAA Part 121 experience, you'd have to knock out 1,000 hours of it before you could be employed as a captain:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436


I'm a South African expat living and working in the US for the last 30+ years. Currently I'm flying as a B787 Captain for a major.

At least 23 years of age.
Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a U.S. Dept. of Education recognized accrediting organization.
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES).
Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents).
FAA Requirements
FAA commercial airplane category pilot license with an instrument rating.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate.
Meets ALL minimum FAA airplane category ATP requirements (14 C.F.R. 61.159) including successful completion of the ATP written exam.
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,500 hours of total documented flight time.
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time.
90% of the flight time logged in powered lift category aircraft (e.g. AV-8B, F-35B, and V-22) will be credited to the Delta Air Lines 1,000 hour fixed wing turboprop/turbofan requirement.
Minimum of 250 hours PIC in an aircraft categorized as an airplane.
The flight time logged in a powered lift category aircraft cannot be credited towards PIC aircraft time in accordance with 14 C.F.R. 61.159.
Minimum of 50 hours of fixed wing multi-engine time.
https://www.deltajobs.net/pilot_qualifications.htm
https://www.pprune.org/north-america/611670-what-job-could-foreign-10k-hr-777-pilot-get-usa-2.html
Right... Thank you for this, another thing is the Pilot shortage in the US. No airline will deny a qualified Pilot a job especially when the Pilot has the legal right to work..

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 10:36pm On Aug 29, 2018
Chapecoense:

Right... Thank you for this, another thing is the Pilot shortage in the US. No airline will deny a qualified Pilot a job especially when the Pilot has the legal right to work..
Correct. Surely they put on the application they have a job offer, if they have the hours qualification they can fly immediately. And that is for a Foreigner. So if someone is already in the USA with a green card they can fly also.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 10:41pm On Aug 29, 2018
Chapecoense:

Right... Thank you for this, another thing is the Pilot shortage in the US. No airline will deny a qualified Pilot a job especially when the Pilot has the legal right to work..
Canada lets in Foreign pilots also. Some E. Euro pilot at Sunwing got canned though recently. He was drunk in the cockpit and passed out LOL. Sunwing services the Caribbean.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by grandstar(m): 10:50pm On Aug 29, 2018
Dremca:
Yes I am in Nigeria currently and making plans to move to the US. Starting and running a tech business is my passion as Nigeria doesn't have the environment to encourage tech startups. I am very much concerned about the low number of black in tech in silicon valley and that's why am much concerned to know the reason for that, whether is die to racism, lack of interest, environment or any other factors and as people who have lived in the US, what advice do you give to a budding technopreneur coming to the US.

Black Americans are not as well educated as other races bar native Americans.

A good number don't finish high school which is their secondary school.

70% of black kids are born to single mothers and the men turn to crime in large numbers.

56% of black men in the city of Baltimore between the ages of 18-35years is either in jail, on parole, on probation or in prison at any point in time.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Dremca(m): 11:28pm On Aug 29, 2018
This is exactly the answers am seeking. Are these situations intentional to make the black disadvantaged.
grandstar:


Black Americans are not as well educated as other races bar native Americans.

A good number don't finish high school which is their secondary school.

70% of black kids are born to single mothers and the men turn to crime in large numbers.

56% of black men in the city of Baltimore between the ages of 18-35years is either in jail, on parole, on probation or in prison at any point in time.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 12:30am On Aug 30, 2018
Dremca:
This is exactly the answers am seeking. Are these situations intentional to make the black disadvantaged.

To address the previous post. When you discuss statistics, questions are supposed to be asked. Who collected the data? how was the data collected and how is it supposed to be interpreted? What do the numbers really mean and Why are the numbers that way?

1a. Some truth, there is a disparity of education levels in the black American community. That is because previous to the 1970s-1980s , many were DENIED the opportunity, and acess. Unless you were living in the North, had excess income, and very very motivated, your main focus was just to survive. I know this to be fact. Things began to change around in the 1980s my generation and below. Now, the problem is that many, not just blacks think that a college education is overrated and too expensive. An average college education in America will cost you $30,000 a year or more. I know this to be fact.

1b. Not true, according to the U.S. Dept of Education
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/03/16/federal-data-show-racial-gap-in-high-school-graduation-rates-is-closing

2. True, but does not take in account the number of families who have decided not to do traditional marriage.
The black family structure was targeted from the very beginning in America starting during slavery. Over time it has changed from force to choice in some instances. Many in the American society have opted out of the traditional structure of marriage but some of the men are still in the home. This is a growing trend among both sides, black and white.
http://www.aei.org/publication/white-families-are-in-trouble-too/
https://www.parents.com/parenting/better-parenting/style/the-changing-american-family/


Alot of the issues raised are not just exclusive to black americans, it is a miniority issue period-Latino, American Indian. But the numbers are higher in the black american community.

3. Some truth, but it is common knowledge that many of the incarcerated blacks are due to drug offenses or misdemeanor offenses but when these crimes are committed by whites their penalities and jail time are shorter.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/40-reasons-why-our-jails-are-full-of-black-and-poor-people_b_7492902.html
https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/12/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by grandstar(m): 1:02am On Aug 30, 2018
Dremca:
This is exactly the answers am seeking. Are these situations intentional to make the black disadvantaged.

It's not intentional. The problem is historical and also partly the way government is run.

Races who have been oppressed tend to be disadvantaged centuries later like descendants of ex slaves in Brazil, Colombia, Haiti etc.

Also, the Native Americans were also horribly treated throughout the Americas and in America itself, many tribes were wiped through war or disease and their land seized from them and dumped in reservations which in many instances consisted of parched lands

The native American communities today are even far worse than black communities with very high rates of drug abuse and paedophile.

After slavery, the Southern states where slavery had been practiced and abolished did their utmost ruin them.

There were segregation laws that separated blacks from whites that they couldn't even use the same toilet. White collar professions were not plentiful for blacks then.

They could easily be lynched by whites for the flimsiest of reasons like the 14year boy who whistled at a white woman. That lynching was the straw that broke the camels back and galvanized the rights movement.

In respect of education, schools are financed from the property taxes collected in the jurisdiction they live. Students are only allowed access to public schools only in the jurisdiction they live.

So let's say you live in Ikeja Local Government, you will have to go to a school in Ikeja.

It becomes a problem if Ikeja is poor. If the people in Ikeja are poor, that will mean that the people live in property that will be low in value. That means the property taxes on them will be low. Which automatically means the revenues from the property taxes will be low leading to poor funding.

If the schools are poorly funded, that translates to poor quality education or environment. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites and more live in ghettoes. Do the maths.

The list goes on but this is just to give you an idea.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 1:14am On Aug 30, 2018
Nope, it started out as VERY intentional. Not to just blacks but all minorities. We all know what was done to the Native Americans but no one talks about how Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Texas was forced from Mexicio. America has had a long history of treating minorities very poorly. Whether or not if it is still intentional is debateable. Those deep seated feelings of hatred and entitlement didnt just vanquish in the air. However, I do believe that at some point a person's willpower and determination must be stronger than the perceived adversary. That has served me and many others very well here.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 1:42am On Aug 30, 2018
Dremca:
This is exactly the answers am seeking. Are these situations intentional to make the black disadvantaged.
It happened when LBJ great society was created.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Babyvet: 1:43am On Aug 30, 2018
grandstar:


It's not intentional. The problem is historical and also partly the way government is run.

Races who have been oppressed tend to be disadvantaged centuries later like descendants of ex slaves in Brazil, Colombia, Haiti etc.

Also, the Native Americans were also horribly treated throughout the Americas and in America itself, many tribes were wiped through war or disease and their land seized from them and dumped in reservations which in many instances consisted of parched lands

The native American communities today are even far worse than black communities with very high rates of drug abuse and paedophile.

After slavery, the Southern states where slavery had been practiced and abolished did their utmost ruin them.

There were segregation laws that separated blacks from whites that they couldn't even use the same toilet. White collar professions were not plentiful for blacks then.

They could easily be lynched by whites for the flimsiest of reasons like the 14year boy who whistled at a white woman. That lynching was the straw that broke the camels back and galvanized the rights movement.

In respect of education, schools are financed from the property taxes collected in the jurisdiction they live. Students are only allowed access to public schools only in the jurisdiction they live.

So let's say you live in Ikeja Local Government, you will have to go to a school in Ikeja.

It becomes a problem if Ikeja is poor. If the people in Ikeja are poor, that will mean that the people live in property that will be low in value. That means the property taxes on them will be low. Which automatically means the revenues from the property taxes will be low leading to poor funding.

If the schools are poorly funded, that translates to poor quality education or environment. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites and more live in ghettoes. Do the maths.

The list goes on but this is just to give you an idea.



Nope racism is very intentional , don't let people fool you to believe other wise. Thats how racism and white supremacy is kept alive. Although it has improved from the past it's still present and affects minorities in all aspects of their lives no matter their status or achievements.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 1:43am On Aug 30, 2018
Backfornow:
Nope, it started out as VERY intentional. Not to just blacks but all minorities. We all know what was done to the Native Americans but no one talks about how Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Texas was forced from Mexicio. America has had a long history of treating minorities very poorly. Whether or not if it is still intentional is debateable. Those deep seated feelings of hatred and entitlement didnt just vanquish in the air. However, I do believe that at some point a person's willpower and determination must be stronger than the perceived adversary. That has served me and many others very well here.
Mexico still has a caste system. USA no.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 1:48am On Aug 30, 2018
OyinbowithaTan:

Mexico still has a caste system. USA no.

Im not talking about caste systems. I am talking about systematic oppression. Native Americans have been oppressed here, black americans, and mexicans. All of which America has benefited greatly from their lands, and human resources at their disadvantage.
My point about Mexico, is that what is known as southwest America belonged to Mexico originally and is not being told like most of the negative American history.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 2:14am On Aug 30, 2018
Backfornow:


Im not talking about caste systems. I am talking about systematic oppression. Native Americans have been oppressed here, black americans, and mexicans. All of which America has benefited greatly from their lands, and human resources at their disadvantage.
My point about Mexico, is that what is known as southwest America belonged to Mexico originally and is not being told like most of the negative American history.
And Mexico was another Euro tribe, Spanish so what. USA is vastly superior to any upward mobility than any C. Latin or S. American country.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 2:31am On Aug 30, 2018
OyinbowithaTan:
And Mexico was another Euro tribe, Spanish so what. USA is vastly superior to any upward mobility than any C. Latin or S. American country.

Well friend, this is the exact mentality that America has been using for centuries when it comes to non-whites.

With that, I will bid you good night.

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 2:39am On Aug 30, 2018
Backfornow:


Well friend, this is the exact mentality that America has been using for centuries when it comes to non-whites.

With that, I will bid you good night.

What? Even Irish, Greeks, Hungarians, Slavs were non whites lol. USA changed post WWll. Most of USA was self segregated due to religion and country of origin. The Interstate Highway system, robust economy, invention of the Suburb changed all of it. USA is a young country.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by ApexTitan(m): 2:50am On Aug 30, 2018
All this talk of oppression and victimization of blacks in 2018 never fail to amaze me.

It is granted that blacks and minorities suffered horrible atrocities in the past but anyone who continues to accept that as the reason why they are underperforming in key success areas today is adopting the convenient and preposterous position that has gained the upper hand in many circles today.

While we are busy playing victim and victimizer in America, Asian immigrants are excelling, even more than whites, under the very same system that we lament about. I wonder why. But there's no time to reason out why this is the case, time is better spent organizing the next protest and demonstration. Eff the Donald! Eff the popo! Antifa power! BLM power, LBGTQYZ power grin grin

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Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 2:53am On Aug 30, 2018
Backfornow:


Well friend, this is the exact mentality that America has been using for centuries when it comes to non-whites.

With that, I will bid you good night.

There is no comparison between Mexico and the USA, none. Non whites literally die trying to get into the USA. BTW almost nobody is "white". There was no immigration laws in the USA until 1924. So "centuries" is bull shit.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by Nobody: 2:54am On Aug 30, 2018
ApexTitan:
All this talk of oppression and victimization of blacks in 2018 never fail to amaze me.

It is granted that blacks and minorities suffered horrible atrocities in the past but anyone who continues to accept that as the reason why they are underperforming in key success areas today is adopting the convenient and preposterous position that has gained the upper hand in many circles today.

While we are busy playing victim and victimizer in America, Asian immigrants are excelling, even more than whites, under the very same system that we lament about. I wonder why. But there's no time to reason out why this is the case, time is better spent organizing the next protest and demonstration. Eff the Donald! Eff the popo! Antifa power! BLM power, LBGTQYZ power grin grin

Did you say LBGTQYZ power? Thats kinda funny truthfully they are a very powerful force.
Re: American, US Based, And US Aspirant Derailer Thread by OyinbowithaTan(m): 2:57am On Aug 30, 2018
ApexTitan:
All this talk of oppression and victimization of blacks in 2018 never fail to amaze me.

It is granted that blacks and minorities suffered horrible atrocities in the past but anyone who continues to accept that as the reason why they are underperforming in key success areas today is adopting the convenient and preposterous position that has gained the upper hand in many circles today.

While we are busy playing victim and victimizer in America, Asian immigrants are excelling, even more than whites, under the very same system that we lament about. I wonder why. But there's no time to reason out why this is the case, time is better spent organizing the next protest and demonstration. Eff the Donald! Eff the popo! Antifa power! BLM power, LBGTQYZ power grin grin
Americans care about illegal immigration, not legal immigration. Nigerians are conservative also.

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