highbee02:


One of them is here

Yes Sir, I am one. Ask me any question for me to answer.

Sorry about your experience. While i sympathize with you, i do not agree with some of your assertions. Its a multisystemic problem. you cant expect health to work while others sectors dont work. We face same problems, buy from same market, lack motivation etc please think of these:
1.service delivery in almost all government institutions and across all professions is abysmally poor .However, the moment health is involved Nigerians want supermen and superwomen as doctors when theyre not super in their own offices/workplace. One of my patients who used to complain about the hospital i was working once told me to come to her office for an assistance she wanted to render. I got there by after 9 and she wasnt there. I told myself this is the same person that will come at past 8 and will be seen late that will be shouting o. she strolled in at after 10 then waited for cleaners to clean her office. She could attend to me till around 11.
2. did you take a look at the people behind you waiting? I remember during my stay at government hospital, patients will be shouting `what is he doing with that man for over 20 minutes self`. when its their turn, they do far worse telling you irrelevant things while they leave out the important information. They tell you theyre strong. They tell you how the devil failed and that the devil is a late comer in their lives. How they suspect village people have hand in their problems.In a busy clinic where you have over 100 patients to see, what do u do? I have not seen Nigerians complain about poor working conditions or small doctor to patient ratio, but miss a chance to castigate doctors who work their asses out? never! You have to pass across and you hear various insults hurled at you. you want to hasten up and satisfy them!
3. bad handwriting isnt limited to Nigerian doctors. its a worldwide issue. kindly take a look at these reports in the Uk and US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1676338/
pinion.inquirer.net/79623/death-by-bad-handwriting

GrammarNazi1:

You forgot "there are crowd", too.

MissJoy29:

I totally agree with your conclusions. I think the problem begins with how doctors are trained. Most times we focus on the academic side more than the social part of the job hence the poor social skills.

I also feel the lack of a really strong and effective regulatory board for medical practitioners plays a major role. A few days ago there was a post here where some doctors took pictures while operating on a patient. If that were to happen in US or UK, those doctors won't still be practicing medicine. There's simply a level of impunity in the medical profession that shouldn't just be so. Ethics is now foreign in Nigeria health sector where it should be the driving force.

Imagine telling a patient the root cause of their sickness is a big problem. How is with holding that information in anyway helping them? Well I don't blame them 100% sha, they are working under very poor conditions. From finance to equipments and the likes. I feel a lot need to be invested in the health sector for there to be a rapid change.

Healthcare, security and education are the most important sector in any sane country. And should not be joked with but in Nigeria the opposite is the case.

blackgold2018:
My dear ur story is as exactly as mine.. mine may b worse. She died out of wrong n high composition of an injection given, jst like that. Still fresh.. just last two months ago. As I read dat foolish n Ignorant girl's comment@amarabae. I just ignored her stupidity. Because b4 nw I ws like her.. Death of a loved one is something i'l never wish even my enemy.

my mom died around 2am and immediately they wanted to her corpse in mortuary and Islamically is not allowed, we had to bribe the mortuary attendants that by 5:30am we will move the corpse away for Janaza

Abeg, how much is a doctor in Nigeria paid?

A police sergeant Step 01 earns N48,540 per month. This is probably a guy who has passed through the horrible police college facilities that PETA cannot advocate pigs to be kept in. He comes out, spends at least 10 years with all manner of risk to his life to get to rank of Sergeant where he cannot even earn N50,000. Then he gets posted to FSARS. Is it a wonder what we are seeing with FSARS where disgruntled and unhappy policemen have turned on the citizens fullscale?

Apply same to a doctor with all the years of training and exams and they come to work in suffocating conditions. Look at all the victims of Ebola and Lassa fever. Nearly 70-80% of victims are doctors/nurses. What do you expect in a country where the President has to travel out at the country's expense to treat his ear problems? Even state house clinic was alleged at one time not to have even panadol.

Abeg leave matter. The problem is with the Nigerian society. The country is sick from top to bottom: in my opinion, Nigeria is UNFIXABLE. We simply have to live with that fact. Atiku, Sowore, PMB, Durojaiye, Moghalu and others cannot fix the country. It is our lot. We have to live with it.

Baroba:


The funny thing is you don't see them displaying this kind of arrogance when they travel out, I know a Doctor who told me in Nigeria he can experiment, walk someone out of his clinic but his hands are tied in Europe..

It only takes one of these English no nonsense Nurses to get them stuck off it they try that nonsense here.. Na straight reporting one time, before you know it you are facing the GMC..

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lulufaj:
Sorry about your experience. While i sympathize with you, i do not agree with some of your assertions. Its a multisystemic problem. you cant expect health to work while others sectors dont work. We face same problems, buy from same market, lack motivation etc please think of these:
1.service delivery in almost all government institutions and across all professions is abysmally poor .However, the moment health is involved Nigerians want supermen and superwomen as doctors when theyre not super in their own offices/workplace. One of my patients who used to complain about the hospital i was working once told me to come to her office for an assistance she wanted to render. I got there by after 9 and she wasnt there. I told myself this is the same person that will come at past 8 and will be seen late that will be shouting o. she strolled in at after 10 then waited for cleaners to clean her office. She could attend to me till around 11.
2. did you take a look at the people behind you waiting? I remember during my stay at government hospital, patients will be shouting `what is he doing with that man for over 20 minutes self`. when its their turn, they do far worse telling you irrelevant things while they leave out the important information. They tell you theyre strong. They tell you how the devil failed and that the devil is a late comer in their lives. How they suspect village people have hand in their problems.In a busy clinic where you have over 100 patients to see, what do u do? I have not seen Nigerians complain about poor working conditions or small doctor to patient ratio, but miss a chance to castigate doctors who work their asses out? never! You have to pass across and you hear various insults hurled at you. you want to hasten up and satisfy them!
3. bad handwriting isnt limited to Nigerian doctors. its a worldwide issue. kindly take a look at these reports in the Uk and US https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1676338/
pinion.inquirer.net/79623/death-by-bad-handwriting

How is a doctor who took the Hippocratic Oath validating his/her shiitty treatment of patients on the failure of other sectors according to you? Are you referring to them bringing people who were never booked into their office, neglecting others who were on the queue before their guest, just because they drop something paltry in their hands as they are leaving? The rot is in the doctors already. Do not justify it. Nigerians doctors are daft, arrogant empty barrels. On closer inspection they don't know anything. Look at the one telling patients to Google their ailments. That is diseased reasoning.

flexyrule:
Only God knows how many patients you have killed with your impatience and carelessness. Your "spelling" speaks volume about you. You and Amarababe are a classic example of the lukewarm Ness and lackadaisical attitudes portrayed by MOST Nigerian doctors. If you can't face the heat, avoid the kitchen.

I understand ur frustration madam. If u re still angry that u didn't get medicine cos u scored low in jamb, it's not too late for u to retry. U and ur likes dat hate Drs re just acting on d law of power that says "despise things u can nva have"

Amarabae:
Having gone through your post, I really don't see how the doctors you met offended you,
You came for treatment to be well and not for an interview class with the doc, there are crowd waiting also to be attended to.
If he diagnose you, you have a phone, when you get home, you browse about the issue.
Simple.
You should not be in hospital to count which health professional laughed with you, you should be there to get help and go

may God bless you

millionboi:
OP u are just ignorant.
I'm a microbiologist, it will b stigmatizing for d doctor to tell u d root cause of ur problem.

What exactly do you mean by 'it will be stigmatising"?

Sultan5:


I totally agree with your conclusions. I think the problem begins with how doctors are trained. Most times we focus on the academic side more than the social part of the job hence the poor social skills.

I also feel the lack of a really strong and effective regulatory board for medical practitioners plays a major role. A few days ago there was a post here where some doctors took pictures while operating on a patient. If that were to happen in US or UK, those doctors won't still be practicing medicine. There's simply a level of impunity in the medical profession that shouldn't just be so. Ethics is now foreign in Nigeria health sector where it should be the driving force.

Imagine [b]telling a patient the root cause of their sickness is a big problem. How is with holding that information in anyway helping them? Well I don't blame them 100% sha, they are working under very poor conditions. From finance to equipments and the likes. I feel a lot need to be invested in the heal[/b]th sector for there to be a rapid change.

Healthcare, security and education are the most important sector in any sane country. And should not be joked with but in Nigeria the opposite is the case.

So, you are saying they need equipment in order to open their mouths and tell the patient what is wrong? Tell us more. This is eye opening.

Quiescere:
Wow, I didn't know it's that bad in the U.K - even with the free healthcare there. 6 months to 2-years of waiting for an appointment is craaaazy. What the heck? I remember my cousin in the UK once complained about this, tho. Are there not enough Doctors and specialists there or why the long wait times? Qui, nous apprécions [yes, we're enjoying]. lol.

Hmm, leave story. Things are really bad. Many people are dumping medicine for other endeavours. Many of the old hands are retiring.
Their population is increasing because of immigrants. No Drs.
Also, funding of their health care system despite the fact that it is still one of the best in the world. Because it is free, there is a lot of pressure on it.
I'm not going to lie, their health system is awesome, and they spend so much money on patients. But there are just too many patients. Treatment of one patient alone run into millions of naira atimes. They have many older population with complex health problems, as their life expectancy is longer- More pressure on their health system.
Because of this EU thing, many other Europeans come for good health care despite not paying taxes or even living in the country- More pressure on their health system.
So appointment list is very long o..
Atimes, I appreciate Nigerian health system, as you can walk into the hospital and see a Dr same day.
Simple operations like uncomplicated hernia are not done on the nhs again o, and if you do it privately, it may cost over 5k pounds ( and I'm being conservative), something the general hospitals in Nigeria will do for you at little cost, and within 6 months.

tensazangetsu20:
Confine abusing them . Soon enough you won't have anymore doctors as the new graduating ones are all leaving

When they go to those other countries.. Shebi they will behave well.. Who is the fool here? Nigerian doctors in Nigeria really need to have sense..

Tellemall:
How is a doctor who took the Hippocratic Oath validating his/her shiitty treatment of patients on the failure of other sectors according to you? Are you referring to them bringing people who were never booked into their office, neglecting others who were on the queue before their guest, just because they drop something paltry in their hands as they are leaving? The rot is in the doctors already. Do not justify it. Nigerians doctors are daft, arrogant empty barrels. On closer inspection they don't know anything. Look at the one telling patients to Google their ailments. That is diseased reasoning.

Well, I understand how you feel. Most of us feel the same way. As painful and bad as this is, its a societal problem and a reflection of the decay in our society. It is not limited to members of the medical profession alone. Politicians who take oaths of office deliver so well dont they?
Nigerian Doctors are doing excellently well where things work. I am a living example. You have to realise you are crippled as a doctor working in Nigeria. Crippled by the non performing system, by the Nigerian behaviour of shortcuts to everything.

eendy:
Having gone through your post, it's sad most of what you mentioned up there turns out to be true... The Nigerian system lacks a structure and the medical profession is not left out, it's sad the art of clearking and examining a patient is really dying so patients are at the receiving end.
Unfortunately the average Nigerian doctor is arrogant but then there are some you encounter ... You get better even before taking your meds.
it's not likely to change anytime soon anyway but then we only home the next generation turns out to be better.
mind you am a doctor.

God bless you for being truthful.. Most of your colleagues will never admit the truth.

Merryglad:
I went to general hospital that should be may 5th how can i forget, i had a severe stomach ache. There i was was pouring my pain out to the doctor, only for him to ask me whats paining you inside the stomach? I said i dont know sir and he said why do you think i know.?

Lol
Can't stop laughing, this one weak me o.

cosmatika:

I understand ur frustration madam. If u re still angry that u didn't get medicine cos u scored low in jamb, it's not too late for u to retry. U and ur likes dat hate Drs re just acting on d law of power that says "despise things u can nva have"

So you still brought this you people's usual low jamb score argument here?
It's only baby doctors who have few years post NYSC experience like you that reason like this.

It's childish abeg.

Tellemall:
How is a doctor who took the Hippocratic Oath validating his/her shiitty treatment of patients on the failure of other sectors according to you? Are you referring to them bringing people who were never booked into their office, neglecting others who were on the queue before their guest, just because they drop something paltry in their hands as they are leaving? The rot is in the doctors already. Do not justify it. Nigerians doctors are daft, arrogant empty barrels. On closer inspection they don't know anything. Look at the one telling patients to Google their ailments. That is diseased reasoning.

Which oath did u take in ur own profession? U guys re quick to mention Hippocratic oath as if u know everything in it. Have u heard of Judicial negligence b4? Or political negligence, or civil service negligence? Y do u guys always have a consensus in criticizing the Nigerian Drs but don't hold d politician who makes d laws dat affect the Dr's working condition accountable? Y do u think Nigerian Drs do well outside d country but don't do same here? U ppl should channel ur grievances to d right ppl and stop maligning d ppl trying to save ur lives

MissJoy29:
I just hope this writing will be able to adequately capture my frustration, disappointment & dissatisfaction with the Nigeria Medical Doctors in particular & the Health sector in general.
I also apologise in advance for the long post.

For as long as I can remember, I have always been sceptical about going to hospitals. The attitude of the health workers there are nothing to write home about. Both the private and the public hospitals. Even though I still believe that public hospitals are far better than the private hospitals(especially the average ones) in terms of quality service(although you run the risk of dying before you are attended to due to how slow they are).

There are so many anomalies in our hospitals. I have seen & heard really bizzare stuffs going on. From the nonchalant, impatient and highly unprofessional attitude of the attendants, the unhealthy environment, the cranky and harsh attitude of the nurses, the fact that there's also "who you know mentality" when lives are at stake, the subtle way they bill you unnecessarily by paying for almost everything you do in the hospital(consultation fee, file retrieval fee, unit fee, buying of this & that for your treatment that you will end up leaving for them), the lack of medical equipment, the walking up & down paying for one thing or another at different times(even when you are not fit)instead of paying at once,the number of unqualified & seasoned doctors, the location of a hospital's laboratory on the last floor of a three-storey building(like, who does that!!!!), the high cost of drugs and other medical supplies in the hospital's pharmacy as opposed to their cost outside etc.

But I have a particular area I want to focus on.

THE ATTITUDE OF THE NIGERIAN DOCTOR
This thread was born out of my experiences this week at a teaching hospital. These experiences brought back all the others I have had to push to the back of my mind a long time ago for lack of an appropriate channel to express them. For the purpose of this thread, I'm going to use my experiences at ABSUTH (Abia State Teaching Hospital), LASUTH (Lagos State Teaching Hospital), LUTH (Lagos University Teaching Hospital), National Orthopaedic Hospital Igbobi & few private hospitals as yardsticks to buttress my grievances. I'm also going to put into consideration, the attitude of my close friends who are medical personnels.

Note: I'm not here to compare hospitals. I'm only using them to show that the attitudes of the doctors I met there may actually be same(or at least, almost same) with all of them in the country.

Firstly, if I have met 15 medical doctors, only 1 turned out to be sympathetic and humane. Apart from my family doctors and this sympathetic doctor, I don't think I will ever recognise any of the doctors I have seen again. But after 5 years or so, I still recognised him when I saw him again recently at same hospital(and I have memory problems) Why? He was probably the first doctor I ever saw who actually listened cos they WANT TO not cos they HAVE TO. There's a big difference. Most of them just hear you. They don't listen & they don't allow you talk. That's why they ask you questions based on what THEY THINK you feel & not on what you KNOW you feel.

Secondly, these doctors (except my humane doctor) make it look as if they are doing you a favour when they tell you about your ailment. It's as if they want you to pay consultation fees before they explain in details what you are passing through. What am I saying? One actually told me that! Inasmuch as I think majority of them don't actually know their profession that well, I still wonder why they choose to withhold & hoard information. It's bad enough they don't tell on their own without being asked. But it's even worse they withhold when asked. I have recurring ear ache that comes like every 2 years. This time around I asked the doctor (on the advice of a friend) what the cause of the problem is so I can avoid it. And he opened his mouth & said to me, "get solution first. What do you need the cause for? I was stunned to say the least!
Thirdly, they are always very harsh & impatient. You come in to a doctor's office, 30 seconds later, you are out with a piece of paper filled with their illegible writing just cos they are more concerned with what they are scribbling based on what they THINK you are going through than on what you are actually saying. They are hurrying to see as many patients as possible to collect as much money from them as possible and also to go to their private clinics. So no adequate time allocated to a patient.

Again, because of the attitude of some of these doctors, I'm really not surprised why I detest private hospitals because majorly, they are still the ones that establish it. The main reason why I hardly go to private hospitals is because I don't understand why someone will be, say an E.N.T doctor in a public hospital, but will end up being a GENERAL practitioner in his/her private hospital. They are now automatic Ob/gyn, optometrist, dentists, surgeons, paediatricians etc. I can't count the number of times they have mistreated cases they are supposed to refer to specialists like professionals do.

After venting like this, I'd like to hear from the house. Knowing that people in the medical profession are supposed to be warm, humane, sympathetic, kind, friendly, patient, a listener, polite, knowledgeable, seasoned, capable etc, why then do you think most Nigerian medical doctors are cold, nonchalant, impatient, unkind, harsh, rude, condescending? Is it because that's who they are normally or are there some things in the sector and/or in the training process that turn & change them into the aforementioned? Doctors in the house & non-doctors like me, over to you.

Soon and very soon, the heartless doctors will be scooped by foolish countries that don't know what they're doing and you'll eventually get the heartful doctor you've always dreamt of.

Pls just bear with us for the time being...

cosmatika:

I understand ur frustration madam. If u re still angry that u didn't get medicine cos u scored low in jamb, it's not too late for u to retry. U and ur likes dat hate Drs re just acting on d law of power that says "despise things u can nva have"

I seriously doubt your claim of being a doctor, owing to the low IQ-ed way of your reasoning. In your wildest imagination, "everybody" who is not a doctor did not meet the JAMB cut-off for studying medicine.
I thought I was even conversing with an individual whose "level of reasoning" is at par with mine. It's obvious you are just another Pre-degree student yet to start taking GST courses.
Go argue with your mates or better still, find a spot and masturbate yourself.

flexyrule:
I seriously doubt your claim of being a doctor, owing to the low IQ-ed way of your reasoning. In your wildest imagination, "everybody" who is not a doctor did not meet the JAMB cut-off mark for studying medicine.
I thought I was even conversing with a individual whose "level of reasoning" is at par with mine. It's obvious you are just another Pre-degree student yet to start taking GST courses.
Go argue with your mates or better still, find a spot and masturbate yourself.

He is just about 2 years post-NYSC. Na why e still dey reason like that.

bornolowu:
the doctor should have told you the diagnosis and the cause. I wont want to make excuses for him but be informed that the doctor patient ratio in nigeria about 1: 10000 as against 1:400 abroad and WHO standard . That simple means doctors here are skewed to give you this kind of services until nigeria changes. Secondly you are wrong on that specialists should not attend to cases outside their specialty, Every good doctor knows when to refer . Well like amarabae said you know the diagnosis why not google it. Must you be spoonfed. The energy it took you to write this up is enough to learn of the condition and note that is what is done abroad. All patients know their condition. They even know the treatment. Please grow up. You want to be treated like patients are treated abroad ( one doctor to 400 patients yet patients read about their condition before coming) but you don't want to learn basic things about your condition like patients do abroad( despite one doctor to 10000 patients and none payment of salary). And note you can't generalise doctors are the best people I have meant in life . God bless!!!!

why should a patient pay consultation fees to see a doctor, when they could just Google it, right? Doctors like whining about their pay, why didn't they read botany or accounting instead? A patient must pay before treatment so explain to them why doctors are never paid. If you are not paid as a doctor it is not your patients fault. They have paid to see you so treat them with respect and tell them what is wrong. The two minutes a doctor uses to explain will make the patient make better health choices and reduce this alleged workload. Doctors appear to be the cause of their problems, so why do they take it out on innocent people? When you want to build a house, the people doing it will explain it to you on their time. But suddenly to explain to a patient has made doctors too aware of their time. Bloody arrogance.

eleojo23:


So you still brought this you people's usual low jamb score argument here?
It's only baby doctors who have few years post NYSC experience like you that reason like this.

It's childish abeg.

U re a big fuul for thinking that a post NYSC Dr is a small thing. I'm sure the money I earned as a corper u don't earn in ur present working place. If e vex u, go study medicine, open hospital, treat ppl free, sacrifice ur life for dem. Ur hatred and jealousy no dey touch us again

cosmatika:

U re a big fuul for thinking that a post NYSC Dr is a small thing. I'm sure the money I earned as a corper u don't earn in ur present working place. If e vex u, go study medicine, open hospital, treat ppl free, sacrifice ur life for dem. Ur hatred and jealousy no dey touch us again

Go take some Diazepam biko.
You need it right now.

Tellemall:
How is a doctor who took the Hippocratic Oath validating his/her shiitty treatment of patients on the failure of other sectors according to you? Are you referring to them bringing people who were never booked into their office, neglecting others who were on the queue before their guest, just because they drop something paltry in their hands as they are leaving? The rot is in the doctors already. Do not justify it. Nigerians doctors are daft, arrogant empty barrels. On closer inspection they don't know anything. Look at the one telling patients to Google their ailments. That is diseased reasoning.

Have you asked how the person who asked patient to google ailment got selected for the job? have you asked whose daughter she is? have you asked which quota system has to be satisfied to get people to work? but you want the best work when youve not even selected the man man/woman. do you know how many doctors cant get internship slots cos they know no one while people theyre better than get cas they know someone? A friend attended an interview where he scored 84 percent. A doctor who score 46 percent got the job cos she came with a letter from a top politician. Do you even know how many people cant get admitted to study medicine just cos they are nobody`s kids?
have you wondered how many cant get training posts for same reason?
very funny people in Nigeria. we leave the most basic of facts but face sentiments.

flexyrule:
I seriously doubt your claim of being a doctor, owing to the low IQ-ed way of your reasoning. In your wildest imagination, "everybody" who is not a doctor did not meet the JAMB cut-off mark for studying medicine.
I thought I was even conversing with a individual whose "level of reasoning" is at par with mine. It's obvious you are just another Pre-degree student yet to start taking GST courses.
Go argue with your mates or better still, find a spot and masturbate yourself.

I can nva be at par with u, u re a low life bitch. Ur bf broke up with u and ur tinnitus starts, den u want d Dr to kill himself for u. Go fvck urslf

cosmatika:

Which oath did u take in ur own profession? U guys re quick to mention Hippocratic oath as if u know everything in it. Have u heard of Judicial negligence b4? Or political negligence, or civil service negligence? Y do u guys always have a consensus in criticizing the Nigerian Drs but don't hold d politician who makes d laws dat affect the Dr's working condition accountable? Y do u think Nigerian Drs do well outside d country but don't do same here? U ppl should channel ur grievances to d right ppl and stop maligning d ppl trying to save ur lives

if doctors take the oath then let them abide by it. In my profession I have ethics. I work with them in order to enable me to deliver the best services to clients. Nigerian doctors take advantage of the fact that they are allowed to treat some patients like beasts. In a saner clime they would face a board for most attitudes they exhibit. You aren't the only ones who face "conditions" in Nigeria, so treat people with dignity! If doctors were so good nobody would malign them. No smoke without a fire. Other professionals do better than the ones who think they paid so much and spent so long in medical college. It's simply arrogance from doctors in Nigeria that everybody hates. Just look at the arrogant post above. That is your typical doctor from Nigeria. Imagine such win a patient.

eleojo23:


Go take some Diazepam biko.
You need it right now.

Go and take agbo and Gboko cleanser, that's d ones u know

cosmatika:

U re a big fuul for thinking that a post NYSC Dr is a small thing. I'm sure the money I earned as a corper u don't earn in ur present working place. If e vex u, go study medicine, open hospital, treat ppl free, sacrifice ur life for dem. Ur hatred and jealousy no dey touch us again

Tell us. How much did you earn! Resident doctors don't earn half of what Technicians earn as hazard allowance here on the rig.
You really need that Diazepam.

InvertedHammer:

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If you want to get the best out of a Nigerian no matter his/her class, give him/her a white boss.

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Every centre in developed societies have their centre guidelines on management of almost all conditions they see. There are institutes whose ain work is to draft medical guidelines for conditions. In the Uk we got NICE and SIGN.What do we have in Nigeria? You see, as Nigerians, we leave the problems but go after irrelevancies and thats why we have not made much progress.

cosmatika:

I can nva be at par with u, u re a low life bitch. Ur bf broke up with u and ur tinnitus starts, den u want d Dr to kill himself for u. Go fvck urslf

You couldn't even figure out that he is a male not female despite having 'm' in front of his moniker.

Ho my gawd!