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BTW I'm a doctor

sainty2k3:

The cost is not what you can determine , you will know that as you go on in the treatment. Patients have shown some doctors fa.

That payment is called advance fee or upfront. It may even be more or less. It is a game of gamble just to save human life. I know some patients have spoilt the way for others but that does not mean professionals should cave in

Jaqenhghar:

They dont know what they are doing. A foreign based doctor told me he said when working with Niggerian doctors that migrated to UK , he said the only thing they are good at is quoting what they crammed from books.
My advice is if you find yourself sick in Niggeria go and write your will or fly abroad .

That your friend must surely lack capacity to discern. Those crammed quotes are what Nigeria doctors are using to survive in these horrible health system. I am certain your friend attempt to practice in Nigeria he will perform worse than an SS3 student with sound grasp of biology. Those theories are the basis on which Nigeria doctors improvise equipments that are not available...ofcoure, most Nigeria doctors that migrated struggle with facilities in the earlier months because most of the facilities that are available in even elementary school science lab in the west are only seen in books in most of our medical schools and hospitals. So you should go back and ask your friend about performance of Nigerian doctors few months after arrival. NB Nigerian doctors that are making waves in US and Europe are mostly trained in Nigeria and only migrated for post grad training

sainty2k3:

That same doctor can not rush to a pharmacy and get the emergency drugs on credit not to talk of getting it free. The issue about Doctors and emergency cases is like this can only be resolved with good health insurance scheme. Probably all they need to do is to scan the man's finger print , get him treated and the Insurance coy pays the bill.
If the doctor treat 3 emergencies and no one pay him. How will you ensure that you still meet that Hospital there in the nearest future

youre just a heartless person

sainty2k3:

That same doctor can not rush to a pharmacy and get the emergency drugs on credit not to talk of getting it free. The issue about Doctors and emergency cases is like this can only be resolved with good health insurance scheme. Probably all they need to do is to scan the man's finger print , get him treated and the Insurance coy pays the bill.
If the doctor treat 3 emergencies and no one pay him. How will you ensure that you still meet that Hospital there in the nearest future

youre just a pathetic heartless person

Hospitals are not synonymous to charity organization offices,
Nigerian doctors are not charitably oriented.

Jaqenhghar:

It is O.
We started from private they referred us to Teaching hospital. We saw like 2 consultants .... when we saw they didnt know what they were doing we decided to fly her out. My cousin another yeye doctor kept saying its not that bad and the hospital is capable. Na the grace of God no allow me rush am at the funeral

May her soul rest in peace.
My late dad was treated @ NIZAMIYE Turkish hospital where he had medical attention per seconds in real time, when he had relief we went to National hospital Abuja. That resulted to his death (no bed, exposed to cold, medical practitioners attitude) . He had to be taken back to nizamiye where he passed on.
Teaching hospitals are glorified grave yard. The so called consultants don't care and the students treat based on what the remember, some even google ur symptoms when treating you . it's only in government hospitals you go through GOPD, when you know you need a specialist. my own experience at JUTH left me traumatized.

freshvine:
private clinics are business centres, they don't care. its all about your money. if you're sick, go to gov't hospitals for proper treatment and avail yourself of several professionals there.

i use private for birthing kids only!

how Many Kids Have You Birthed My Dear?

chieyine:

Ok
I am in my penultimate year in Medicine in Enugu ma where you travelled to so permit me to be a little . But u have a fiancee in d medics so backing out
Most private hospitals are not equipped to handle emergencies.
The rationality behind him not accepting electronic payment , that I do not know and i can't say anything unless I hear from the two doctors u met.
There must be a reason.
Two doctors can't just reject electronic payment just like that.

But in handling emergencies, it is only the teaching hospitals that can comfortable handle emergencies.
As the name implies Emergencies.
We do not have all capturing health insurance scheme and those doctors have family to feed.
They might not be ready to attend to emergencies of such magnitude, increase the number of deaths the hospitals have recorded this year.
Getting the names of the hospitals would have made more sense.
But I don't think they did wrong by telling you to go to a government hospital.
If u cannot treat, Refer

But till we get their own side of the story, aint gonna bash dem and that can only occur if u have got their names and we launch our assault rifles towards them .
Then they will release their statements

Dont mind them, they just manufacture baseless stories and colorise it so that their audience can have something to masturbate on, after all what stories sell faster than a doctor bashing one?

sainty2k3:

The cost is not what you can determine , you will know that as you go on in the treatment. Patients have shown some doctors fa.

After the initial correction and u're still talking thrash. Msheew

mercy87:



A rude banker, a rude officer and his rude self are not life and death matters. We are talking about life. Saving a life brought in an emergency situation. Those ones are quite different but when you are talking life people ought to be more humane and empathic. Shebi the man don die. He offered to use POS and transfer ooo

Do you know that very few hospitals can handle head injury in Nigeria? Infact most big general hospitals can't...you have to also know that best if doctors might not be able to handle simplest of emergency? Before you curse that doctor, imagine that the hospital was only set up to attend to common health issues like malaria, typhoid, convulsion, sprain etc. just to help poor community residence with just above first aid service and refer more complicated cases to bigger hospital...how do you expect such an hospital to attempt to resuscitate an accident victim with head injury? POS or transfer will only amount to extortion. I think people need to educate themselves enough to know that all hospitals are not the same and doctors are not super humans. The doctor you are cursing might not be able to save your patient with head injury but you don't know if he already saved hundreds of children that would have died of fever. When Buhari son fell from the bike, it took one of the best hospitals in the country to call 3 of the best hands in the country to resuscitate the boy, but you are here cursing an innocent young doctor in a private clinic because he cannot resuscitate a guy with fate worse than that of Yusuf Buhar

worlexy:
Dont mind them, they just manufacture baseless stories and colorise it so that their audience can have something to masturbate on, after all what stories sell faster than a doctor bashing one?

Lolx
I don't like single stories like that.
Two hospitals can't just reject electronic payment just like that.
There are more to this story

Not only you.
I hate doctors too with their nonchalant attitudes.

Instead of saving lives .....they do otherwise.

ruffhandu:

I know, you are not wrong. The few that know what to do are passionate with their job. The earlier people understand what a career is about, the better.

Even with an offer of payment, he still insisted on cash, meaning he just didn't want to touch the patient.
And, do you know most of them don't even feel anything when a patient dies in their hands?

Woe is he who has hope on Nigerian doctors.

Niggerian doctors= killers

shiffynaani:
how Many Kids Have You Birthed My Dear?

done with kids. my last doing her uni education.

comment ca' va?

transformed:
That your friend must surely lack capacity to discern. Those crammed quotes are what Nigeria doctors are using to survive in these horrible health system. I am certain your friend attempt to practice in Nigeria he will perform worse than an SS3 student with sound grasp of biology. Those theories are the basis on which Nigeria doctors improvise equipments that are not available...ofcoure, most Nigeria doctors that migrated struggle with facilities in the earlier months because most of the facilities that are available in even elementary school science lab in the west are only seen in books in most of our medical schools and hospitals. So you should go back and ask your friend about performance of Nigerian doctors few months after arrival. NB Nigerian doctors that are making waves in US and Europe are mostly trained in Nigeria and only migrated for post grad training

Will you keep quiet there? I should go and tell my friend. Am I your messenger? Look at the horseshit you put up. Is the job of a doctor to survive or help patients survive. ..because they cramm books alone we can see the result nah. People dying anyhow. Or you think the people dying are flies with no souls. Let me tell you something you dont know. The same Niggerian doctors take they bullshit over there do your research. Currently most cases of malpractice in the UK are by Niggerian, Pakistani and other doctors from shitholes.

Really sad, I have known Nigerian doctors to be sadist and heartless no money no job done... Even with money they don't have manner and human feeling... If any of them do I am yet to see one.... I just thank God for my life I so much hate hospital and doctors attitude

id4sho:

May her soul rest in peace.
My late dad was treated @ NIZAMIYE Turkish hospital where he had medical attention per seconds in real time, when he had relief we went to National hospital Abuja. That resulted to his death (no bed, exposed to cold, medical practitioners attitude) . He had to be taken back to nizamiye where he passed on.
Teaching hospitals are glorified grave yard. The so called consultants don't care and the students treat based on what the remember, some even google ur symptoms when treating you . it's only in government hospitals you go through GOPD, when you know you need a specialist. my own experience at JUTH left me traumatized.

Thank you. Im sorry about your dad (God rest his soul). I remember back in 2k10 when I went to visit my colleague's daughter in National hospital, I was shaken with what I saw. These are some of the reasons I decided to migrate

The OP is a military officer,......
First of,
I have had a lot of experiences in the Nigerian clinical settings.
I have worked in a private hospital where I got home with half of my salary just because of a patient that asconded after treatment..
Every hospital(most especially the private ones) have policies! In some hospitals, assault victims are not treated until a police report is brought....
However, I condemn the attitude of the first doctor you met (as you stated here) even though we didn't hear from the dockay himself. But I hope you were also polite enough with him (you know how officers behave sometimes).
Record has it that private clinics in Nigeria loss about 20% of their expect income to asconds. C'mon, they too have bills, workers, and taxes to pay.
OP, I understand that feeling, u should try get over it (especially because your fiancee is a MEDICO) and always see the Nigerian hospitals as not a charity centres.

Lastly, the solution to all these mess is HEALTH INSURANCE! Stop collecting money at polling centres ya all!

Gracesofar:




I hope and pray so

Sent u a pm sir

Gracesofar:
Hi nairalanders, though this happened last month and I still can't find a way to get over it. But the thought was triggered and I had a flashback to it vividly after I read a ladies post here on nairalanders who spoke about her experience with doctors.

Anyway, Being a doctor might be just more than a profession since they are believed more to save lives. But do they really do that. Apart from the bossy act of most doctors Talking of JOHESU vs NMA and them wanting to boss everyone around, I was want to share my experience of how I finally lost hope In doctors which also pointed out that the so-called Hippocratic oath means nothing to most of them.

I was on an official assignment to Lagos that was 3 weeks ago if I can still recollect vividly. And after the whole assignment etc, I was done and around 8pm I decided to leave Lagos back to Enugu. I was with a colleague so who set out and after passing Arepo (very near berger) I think the town name is Magboro. I wanted to park and probably get fruits to aide me she. I heard a loud thud and low and behold the car behind me hit a man trying to cross the express road. The car (a minibus) was on top speed and the impact even confused me on what was happening. I parked and I saw people rush to drag the lifeless man from the fast lane so other cars won't run him over and I was still frozen where I was. This was a middle age man lifeless on the ground with blood gushing out of him. Anyway trust Nigerians some brought out their mobile etc and other were pouring water on the blood dripping man. But I was still socked and confused. Finally, I knew the man will give up the ghost finally if he didn't receive medical attention on time. So I spoke to my colleague and we went to meet the gathering crowds and decided to help this man. We don't even know anywhere around so we just asked if anyone knows a nearby hospital and hell yeah there will always be a good Samaritan out of every 12. Anyway, we but this man in my car and with 2 other strangers showing us the route we started drubuing towards the nearest hospital in an attempt to save this complete stranger live. Getting to the hospital after much blood was on my car seat we took this man out and called the doctor in charge of the private hospital which I can't even remember the name but I know its very close to Access International School in Magboro very close to ibafo Ogun state.

Upon the doctor seeing him, he asked who the famiky so we just explained and I realise his countenance changed. He said he can't attend to him without a family member there. I never knew what the doctor meant because to me the only set of people hospitals don't attend to is bullet wound victims and at least they must give first aid.

That's how the doctor started talking that who will foot the bill etc. That he will give him treatment bla bla bla. I got so angry and I asked him if his money is more essential than a fellow human live. Anyway I told him I had no cash but if they use pos, I will deposit all the money he needs because am still going to Enugu that night. Looking at the time its to 9. The doctor said they only do cash payment etc and he can't take him in without getting some payment to start it. My colleague asked if he accept bank transfer he said No just cash. Haba I got annoyed and I sowed him my ID card when he realised am a military personnel he lower his tone of talking and he said he his sorry they don't even have any spare bed or the medications to stabilize him. Haba anyway ouyt of annoyance I issued him threat that I don't even know the man from genesis am just doing my own to save humanity. I realised he was too money conscious so I told him to Bleep off. We put the man in my car again and went to another private hospital. Getting their we had almost same issue. And to cut the long story short he doctyor didn't even give him first aide or try stabilizing him. He just said I should get a government hospital around. I was so frustrated and I loosed hope in doctors that night over been money conscious not minding an innocent life paying the price with something less than 50k. Fast forward one of the boys said he knew a government clinic at the other side. And we drove their as at then it was almost 10 at this time this man was still breathing though very slowly and he was loosing lots of blood. Anyway we got to the government hospital where I can't even describe. And I was told to write a statement etc. And before the man would be stabilized, he gave up the ghost that night.

Though have seen people die and I don't feel any way bad but that made me feel so demoralized. I'd only the first two private bastard called doctors can take him in, he will still be alive. I left the hospital and they said they will bag him etc.

Anyway that night I started my journey to Enugu and till today, my hatred for doctors hisnjust so mega even though my fiancee is a medical student.

This is a true life story that happened 3 Saturdays ago if only I was thinking straight enough to get the hospitals name

When you said you're a military personnel, I stopped disturbing myself because you guys and lie are 5&6. How can two hospital reject POS as a form of payment. You hate doctors because you envy them. In your next life work harder to become a doctor then you will understand how it feels to be one

Chartey:
Why is nobody seeing what I'm seeing?
Let's forget about the doctor-bashing for a second.
The OP is a military man.
Any military or paramilitary man that doesn't know simple lifesaving first aid like "pack/pressure/elevate" and primary survey is a useless military man.
Any military that has soldiers like the OP that can't do first aid but can harass civilians is a useless military.
Any country that its citizens don't recognise this fact is a useless country.

Did you ignore that part where he said the victim was bleeding heavily??
Oga stop being sentimental abegi .
Be objective for once

In Ghana about 80%of the population have the national health insurance which cater for certain medical conditions, procedures and drugs including emergency situations. If a situation like this happen here the best approach is posting a video of it online, calling FM station to report the incident and having the general public debate on it. In less than 24 hours it will become a national debate and an investigative committee will be established to look into it. I think having a national health insurance scheme with majority of the population accessing it is the way forward because if the patient abscond, insurance will pay for most of the things. This will minimize the fear of doctors

ChiefSweetus:
Sorry baba.. you did your best. But the truth the doctors didn't want to tell you is that the man was gonna die any which way. Internal bleeding, etc. He would've needed major surgeries they weren't equipped for. Hospital na one chance for dis our side. Sad reality of the Nigerian experience

You are fvcking right. The minute a medical expert or even a technician start making payment his or her priority before commencing real treatment or work, just forget it: he just wants to secure payment incase the trial fails. because he isn't sure it's gonna pull through

Not all doctors are the same o, some are very good while some can be frustrating.

OP, you should have taken the man to the military hospital naaa. But I commend your efforts. If na police, they would have allowed the man to die there on the road.

The problem is with the healthcare system not the doctors. The National Health Act (NHAct 2014) that was signed into law by the former President, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan is yet to be implemented by the Federal Government and nobody is asking questions. The act has provision for emergency funds for accident & gunshot wounds patients.
Without consideration of issues like this, Nigerians will vote again probably based on ethno-religious sentiments in 2019 & come back & complain on nairaland forum.
I'm disappointed that a military man who is supposed to be more enlightened that an average Nigerian is directing is grievance to the wrong persons.

Look at the rubbish this Op is typing. Why wont the Doctor turn him back when the useless Nigerian govt doesnt even have national insurance scheme for its citizens. Someone on this thread is even saying Ghana has such a scheme. So why cant Nigeria have one. In the U. S no matter the situation once its an emergency at least you'd be stabilized and the govt covers it if u cant pay for it through your health insurance. Youre talking like this because that was your first time seeing such an emergency situation but the Doctor probably sees that everyday in his job. If the private hospital accept all patient that come for emergencies and dont pay, the private hospital will be run aground and you wont even have one nearby to rush the patient to. Humanity aside, to hell with the hiprocratic oath. It will not pay hospital staff at the end of the month, feed their families or even provide hospital supplies, medicine and equipment. Rather than complain here online, we should demand more from our president who has deserted us and the failed healthcare system and chooses to seek his own medical care selfishly in London where the govt has established an adequate system for its citizens. Buhari is a failed president. Leadership should be by example. Mr integrity my asz.

Chief:; Most private employed Doctors do not have a say in collecting deposits before treatment. The EMPLOYER WHICH IS THE HOSPIITAL HAS A BILLING OFFICER OR CASHIER WHO SETS THE RULES WHETHER CASH OR ATM OR POS IS ACCEPTED NOT THE DOCTOR MOST TIMES

I have personally seen patients who were brought by their relatives in Emergency, who after Expending energy, time, drugs, drips and medical materials TO STABILIZE THE PATIENT ON CREDIT WHEN THEY GOT BETTER DID NOT WANT TO PAY THE BILLS

Hospitals EMPLOY STaff and PAY for drugs, nurses, Doctors, janitors, CASHIER, pharmacists, xray and lab staff, admin managers AND PAY SALARIES

The hospital must PAY the drips and drugs supplier. The hospital must PAY medical union taxes and rent or land use charges, the hospital does not run.on free fuel, the man that repairs HOSPITAL GENERATOR DOES NOT REPAIR IT FREE,

Even if Your car STOPS ON EMPTY in front of NNPC FILLING STATION, I DONT THINK YOU WILL GRT FREE FUEL FROM THE NNPC FILLING STATION ATTENDANT

EITHER GET HEALTH INSURANCE OR PAY CASH.
Besides Most private hospital except very big ones can handle severe emergencies


Medical school is expensive, running a hospital costs money. Even Your mechanic to change Your car oil will not change it for Free


So get INSURANCE and campaign to YOUR government for adequately staffed nigerian government hospital with enough Doctors, nurses, pharmacists and the Best equipment And Drugs in the World

Jaqenhghar:

Will you keep quiet there? I should go and tell my friend. Am I your messenger? Look at the horseshit you put up. Is the job of a doctor to survive or help patients survive. ..because they cramm books alone we can see the result nah. Or you think the people dying are flies with no souls. Let me tell you dont know. The same Niggerian doctors take they bullshit over there do your research. Currently most cases of malpractice in the UK are by Niggerian, Pakistani and other doctors from shitholes.

You are a rabid liar! I hate rabid liars like you. Nigerian doctors are the ones keeping the NHS running in the UK. Have you ever gone to British Council to see how many doctors are writing the exams to go to the UK? IfrNaija doctors were that bad, why has the UK not shut the door on them but is still taking them in large numbers.

NobodyKnows:
Did you ignore that part where he said the victim was bleeding heavily??
Oga stop being sentimental abegi .
Be objective for once

So if he's a combatant at war and his colleague sustains an injury and is bleeding heavily he'll be totally clueless abi? No wonder Nigerian soldiers keep dying from Boko Haram attacks.
All military and paramilitary personnel should have first aid training.
The man died because the first responder(the op, a soldier) was clueless about how to stop or reduce bleeding. It's not even as if the bleeding was internal from what he said. He may have had other problems but the bleeding killed him.