₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
If SS also maintain the same posture that they will only vote a platform that has a SS man on the ballot, who do you think the Party will go for?

SS has more voters

SS are not as rabidly anti APC as SE so SS can be won by APC if they dont have a compelling reason to vote PDP

SE wont vote APC anyway even if they make Ojuku and Nnamdi Kanu come out to campaign for Buhari

South south does not have more overall voters nationally. There are no single majority group in the south south.

Only a political neophyte will assume the ss is a better political base than the south east.
Not now, not ever.

The south east politics led by the igbo majority ethnic determines the political direction of the se/ss and not the other way round.
Apart from saraki, which other pdp member in the south is more relevant than ike ekwremadu?
The pdp is existing today because it is supported by the eastern machinery both online and offline, which the APC minions can attest to.
Take away that support and pdp falls like a pack of cards.

And yes, the east will probably never vote for the APC. It doesn't mean they have to vote for the pdp either.

You forget we have an Eastern party we can dump our votes on. They may not win, but it would be a political statement and a terrible blow to the pdp.
And the funny thing is that once a party has been known as an anti-igbo party, it can never be remedied.

That is what pdp is playing with, to their own destruction, and I know that is what you want.

Deadlytruth:
You are an incurable idiot. SS is not SE. Kiss the truth for once.

No there are not, they are two artificially made regions in the east but ironically contains igbos both indigenous and non indigenous, which u guys are too scared to grasp

CSTR1005:
South south does not have more overall voters nationally. There are no single majority group in the south south.

Only a political neophyte will assume the ss is a better political base than the south east.
Not now, not ever.

The south east politics led by the igbo majority ethnic determines the political direction of the se/ss and not the other way round.
Apart from saraki, which other pdp member in the south is more relevant than ike ekwremadu?
The pdp is existing today because it is supported by the eastern machinery both online and offline, which the APC minions can attest to.
Take away that support and pdp falls like a pack of cards.

And yes, the east will probably never vote for the APC. It doesn't mean they have to vote for the pdp either.

You forget we have an Eastern party we can dump our votes on. They may not win, but it would be a political statement and a terrible blow to the pdp.
And the funny thing is that once a party has been known as an anti-igbo party, it can never be remedied.

That is what pdp is playing with, to their own destruction, and I know that is what you want.

PDP will be a dead party if they try such stunt

CSTR1005:
South south does not have more overall voters nationally. There are no single majority group in the south south.

Only a political neophyte will assume the ss is a better political base than the south east.
Not now, not ever.

The south east politics led by the igbo majority ethnic determines the political direction of the se/ss and not the other way round.
Apart from saraki, which other pdp member in the south is more relevant than ike ekwremadu?
The pdp is existing today because it is supported by the eastern machinery both online and offline, which the APC minions can attest to.
Take away that support and pdp falls like a pack of cards.

And yes, the east will probably never vote for the APC. It doesn't mean they have to vote for the pdp either.

You forget we have an Eastern party we can dump our votes on. They may not win, but it would be a political statement and a terrible blow to the pdp.
And the funny thing is that once a party has been known as an anti-igbo party, it can never be remedied.

That is what pdp is playing with, to their own destruction, and I know that is what you want.

What does overall National vote count for when counting the states you need to win?

You have 1M people in Kano but will never win the state for PDP, likewise in Lagos and those other places you claim you have people nationally. Having these presence somehow works against you because you spread yourself thin and cannot win those states either

Assume all those Northern bulk votes have spread themselves all over Nigeria, will they be an effective bloc of votes to make a difference?

PDP have a sure base in SE just like APC have a sure base in the NW. The regions that are likely to swing are SS, SW, NC, NE and this is where smart politicians put their resources. These are the battleground states/region It makes little sense to continue trying to convince your base

The SS if they are not locked down by putting their son on the ballot can easily vote for APC. For example Edo and AkwaIbom can be lost and places like Delta and Cross River might even be close if not sealed with a SS candidate

SS has 6 states, SE has 5 states,. A SS vice means PDP gets 6 SS + 5 SE = 11 states as a start, with a SE VP, it means 5 SE + maybe 4 SS states,

The smart thing will be to pick from the SW or SS but since APC already has the advantage in SW, PDP should put everything into securing those 6 states in SS

Lets not deceive ourselves APGA wont field any serious candidate and in the National election it will end up being APC vs PDP even if you put a goat in PDP, the SE will still vote the goat over APC

Fatherofdragons:
No there are not, they are two artificially made regions in the east but ironically contains igbos both indigenous and non indigenous, which u guys are too scared to grasp

So the fact that there are yoruboid groups in the NC makes NC and SW two artificially made regions? Also, the presence of Igalas in Anambra makes NC and SE two artificially made but naturally the same people? You are confused.

CSTR1005:
You are a nobody.

Shift make we see road.

So you'll support the Fulani terrorist party if they give the VP ticket to the SE? Isn't that slavery according to your gospel?

Hypocrite

IbrahimDamola:
So are we yorubas interested in the development and progress Igbo presidency will bring to the table regardless of his tribe? Is that why we have been shouting 'We will never vote Igbo president' since the 1970s?

Mr man.

Stop all these ur we, we

You vê been bursted already

CSTR1005:
That is what pdp is playing with, to their own destruction, and I know that is what you want.

In this 4th republic should we check the candidates that have put the SE on their ballot and how they fared?

2003 Buhari put a strong SE candidate Okadigbo on the ballot yet lost all SE states failed to make 15% in any SE state
In 2007 Buhari put Ume Ezeoke as VP on the ballot yet lost all SE states
In 2007, Atiku put Ben Obi on the ballot as VP yet lost all SE states
In 2007 Yar Adua put Jonathan a SS man on the ballot and he won all SS plus SE votes

The antecedents have shown that putting a SE man on the ballot or Not will never sway a SE man away from PDP

Buhari, Atiku found out the hard way

raumdeuter:
In this 4th republic should we check the candidates that have put the SE on their ballot and how they fared?

2003 Buhari put a strong SE candidate Okadigbo on the ballot yet lost all SE states
In 2007 Buhari put Ume Ezeoke as VP on the ballot yet lost all SE states
In 2007, Atiku put Ben Obi on the ballot as VL yet lost all SE states
In 2007 Yar Adua put Jonathan a SS man on the ballot and he won all SS plus SE votes

The antecedents have shown that putting a SE man on the ballot or Not will never sway a SE man away from PDP

Buhari, Atiku found out the hard way

Dayo no go kill somebody with facts

Facts are indeed stubborn things

MayorofLagos:
Does Ohanaeze know what happened during PDP Convention, and how Uche became Chairman?

Im not sure Ohanaeze is abreast of current political affairs in the country. They talk like 15yr olds.

Your second line make sense.

Rescue Nigeria first the msg is clear

I have since realized: Nigeria is not our home. Never was. Never will.

safarigirl:
Who cares about political power when those who own it are the ones dying in inpoverishment?

Ohanaeze should go and sleep.

It is a slap to the face nonetheless. A very resounding slap.

raumdeuter:
The best option is for PDP to pick Atiku and pair him with a Donald Duke

You don't understand how politics works.

Atiku should pray that PDP picks Kwankwaso and a popular Yoruba guy to split NW and SW votes between APC and PDP.

Then under APGA, Atiku with Peter Obi or Ojukwu's wife can then try to win SS, SE, NE and NC votes to emerge winner.

raumdeuter:
In this 4th republic should we check the candidates that have put the SE on their ballot and how they fared?

2003 Buhari put a strong SE candidate Okadigbo on the ballot yet lost all SE states failed to make 15% in any SE state
In 2007 Buhari put Ume Ezeoke as VP on the ballot yet lost all SE states
In 2007, Atiku put Ben Obi on the ballot as VP yet lost all SE states
In 2007 Yar Adua put Jonathan a SS man on the ballot and he won all SS plus SE votes

The antecedents have shown that putting a SE man on the ballot or Not will never sway a SE man away from PDP

Buhari, Atiku found out the hard way

This your fact is a lie.

PDP is a majority party in Nigeria after 1999 election, PDP in 2007 is very strong in SE/SS. Buhari party and Atiku party is not popular party in the east. Do know that Buhari won the election because the north felt that it is their turn to rule Nigeria by fire by force, all machinery was geared toward that using all manner of violence including Boko haram.
Ojukwu on APGA also lost SE votes because PDP have more influence.

Had it been that Ekwueme was not persuaded to step down for Obasanjo in order to calm SW for Abiola saga, Ekwueme would have won the election.

Odingo1:
This your fact is a lie.

PDP is a majority party in Nigeria after 1999 election, PDP in 2007 is very strong in SE/SS. Buhari party and Atiku party is not popular party in the east. Do know that Buhari won the election because the north felt that it is their turn to rule Nigeria by fire by force, all machinery was geared toward that using all manner of violence including Boko haram.
Ojukwu on APGA also lost SE votes because PDP have more influence.

Had it been that Ekwueme was not persuaded to step down for Obasanjo in order to calm SW for Abiola saga, Ekwueme would have won the election.

One would have thought you will disprove his stated facts with counter-facts, but you only succeeded in confusing yourself here with your mumbo jumbo talk

SlayerForever:
It is a slap to the face nonetheless. A very resounding slap.

I don’t know why igbos find it hard to believe though. Any party that chooses the igbo to be either presidential or Vice Presidential candidate has Nigerians to contend with.

The igbos are political pariah in Nigeria. It shouldn’t be so hard to figure out na.

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resurgent2019:
I don’t know why igbos find it hard to believe though. Any party that chooses the igbo to be either presidential or Vice Presidential candidate has Nigerians to contend with.

The igbos are political pariah in Nigeria. It shouldn’t be so hard to figure out na.

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KingLennon:
They should not settle for less. The igbo's can also pick the nomination form and contest for president.

You are not serious! You want Ibo to work for its victory to the Presidency.... You must live on Mars.
No, they are privileged, they are not to work for victory, rather Nigeria must handover this power to Ibo in 2023.



On a serious note, there are about five or more Yorubas (SW and NC combined) on different political platform ready to slug it out with Buhari in 2019. Even if they do not get the victory on first trial, they have advanced a political milestone by acquiring experience and footprints that move them closer at each attempt to finally achieve their goal. Yoruba does not respect the zoning formula....they are throwing their shots. This is what happened to Buhari. He contested every cycle and with constancy. Ibo can contest on different platforms in every election cycle...the experience is indispensable and strengthens the resolve to build consensus and alliance that works in their favour. It is ridiculous and unfathomable that APGA, an Ibo party, is fielding a Northerner for 2019. What's wrong with Ibo, are you less competent than the Northerner?

The immediate past national publicity secretary of the All Progressives Grand Alliance, Barrister Ifeatu Obi-Okoye, has explained why his party, APGA, resolved to field a northern presidential candidate in the upcoming 2019 general election.

http://dailypost.ng/2018/09/04/2019-apga-fielding-northern-presidential-candidate-ex-spokesman/

Under the visionary leadership of Prince Secondus, any action that is not democratic in nature will not be tolerated.

raumdeuter:
If SS also maintain the same posture that they will only vote a platform that has a SS man on the ballot, who do you think the Party will go for?

SS has more voters

SS are not as rabidly anti APC as SE so SS can be won by APC if they dont have a compelling reason to vote PDP

SE wont vote APC anyway even if they make Ojuku and Nnamdi Kanu come out to campaign for Buhari

Please last Anambara elections what was the position of PDP? Third position, APC was even second. Presently this regime is trying to woo the East. They even have sincere projects presently in the East more than Jonathan s period. So you will be shocked Igbo's voting for Buhari!! There are no permenanent enemies in politics.

MayorofLagos:
You are not serious! You want Ibo to work for its victory to the Presidency.... You must live on Mars.
No, they are privileged, they are not to work for victory, rather Nigeria must handover this power to Ibo in 2023.



On a serious note, there are about five or more Yorubas (SW and NC combined) on different political platform ready to slug it out with Buhari in 2019. Even if they do not get the victory on first trial, they have advanced a political milestone by acquiring experience and footprints that move them closer at each attempt to finally achieve their goal. Yoruba does not respect the zoning formula....they are throwing their shots. This is what happened to Buhari. He contested every cycle and with constancy. Ibo can contest on different platforms in every election cycle...the experience is indispensable and strengthens the resolve to build consensus and alliance that works in their favour. It is ridiculous and unfathomable that APGA, an Ibo party, is fielding a Northerner for 2019. What's wrong with Ibo, are you less competent than the Northerner?

You are talking rubbish, Igbos has been contesting for presidency since 1999 on different political platform.

Know you that presidency was handed to Obasanjo on a plater of gold, he didn't work for it for one day but was pulled from prison because he handed over to Shagari against the SW wish and him as a military head of state just came by chance due the death of his boss Muritala Muhammed in a coup. Jonathan also became president by chance not by contest. Buhari is only Nigerian that have became a president by contest fueled by the northerners insisting that power must shift to the north by fire by force in 2015.

Odingo1:
This your fact is a lie.

PDP is a majority party in Nigeria after 1999 election, PDP in 2007 is very strong in SE/SS. Buhari party and Atiku party is not popular party in the east. Do know that Buhari won the election because the north felt that it is their turn to rule Nigeria by fire by force, all machinery was geared toward that using all manner of violence including Boko haram.
Ojukwu on APGA also lost SE votes because PDP have more influence.

Had it been that Ekwueme was not persuaded to step down for Obasanjo in order to calm SW for Abiola saga, Ekwueme would have won the election.

Why do you yield to others if they won't yield to you?

Deadlytruth:
Igbos could grow APGA to a formidable and inclusive platform like Tinubu did with the once isolated and almost extinct AD.

It will take a bit of time, patience & sacrifice. Let's not lie to ourselves, the Ibo political elites(They are the real drivers of the hate campaign behind the scene but form innocence when it's time to show up & show out) can't and will NEVER do that.

Odingo1:
You are talking rubbish, Igbos has been contesting for presidency since 1999 on different political platform.

Know you that presidency was handed to Obasanjo on a plater of gold, he didn't work for it for one day but was pulled from prison because he handed over to Shagari against the SW wish.

Good point!

Let me highlight to you the sequence of events. They say one good turn deserves another good in the other direction.

Shortly before Abacha died he had accepted and came to terms there was nothing he could to stop Yoruba separation from Nigeria. There was not a military solution to prevent it because OPC had acquired militancy and even military properties were being blown up and their personnell targeted randomly in SW. He had however had a political solution, which was to use his Yoruba captives to negotiate a somewhat less volatile dissolution. If we dialed back to 1957 that incidence will make the third time North had accepted a readiness to dissolve. First was Ahmadu Bello disgruntingly refusing to accept independence in 1957, at the cost of separation. The second was a traumatic outcome in 1966 when Murtala opted to evacuate all Northerners in South, his Yoruba wife notwithstanding. The third was the Abacha episode with Nadeco and OPC at his throat and as Head of State he could go anywhere in the country except Yorubaland. Abacha's death was a sacrifice that kept Nigeria together. If he had not died there will be nothing called Nigeria by now.

Obasanjo was reparation to Yoruba for the wrong done to MKO. It doesn't matter which way the country voted in 1999, a Yoruba would end up as President.

Where is Ibo reparation? PDP has it. PDP treats you like scum, is disrespectful to Christians but you hold tight to them defensively. When will you realize PDP is your barrier to the Presidency?

SlayerForever:

Omo Igbo can’t adduce facts to disprove my assertion.

Calabar will become President before igbos in this Nigeria.

MayorofLagos:
Why do you yield to others if they won't yield to you?

Igbos have sense of Nigerian belonging in 1999, they did not yield to others but just have national interest at heart and felt sorry for what happen to Abiola and Yorubas., Igbos felt sympathetic for Yorubas following Abiola saga, Igbos was convinced to step down for yorubas that is why the two major parties in 1999 produce yorubas as contestant, but Yorubas are now doing as if they were not giving presidency on a plater of Gold in 1999, Obasanjo when he was pulled from prison look like a half dead man and don't even know what is going on.

This was picture of Obasanjo in 1999, that is why he was grateful to Igbos and use more Igbos in his cabinet.

modath:
It will take a bit of time, patience & sacrifice. Let's not lie to ourselves, the Ibo political elites(They are the real drivers of the hate campaign behind the scene but form innocence when it's time to show up & show out) can't and will NEVER do that.

Orji Uzor Kalu - Lagos is no man's land
Peter Obi - Ibo developed Lagos
Stella Oduah - We are the landlords of Lagos
Ohanaeze Youth - Ambode is Ibo enemy #1.
Ohanaeze Ancestors - Lagos State discriminates and deny Ibo cabinet post
Chioreme Nnenna - Yorubas are sophisticated morons.

How many we go list....

Odingo1:
Igbos have sense of Nigerian belonging in 1999, they did not yield to others but just have national interest at heart and felt sorry for what happen to Abiola and Yorubas., Igbos felt sympathetic for Yorubas following Abiola saga, Igbos was convinced to step down for yorubas that is why the two major parties in 1999 produce yorubas as contestant, but Yorubas are now making as if they were not giving presidency on a plater of Gold in 1999, Obasanjo when he was pulled from prison look like a half dead man and don't even know what is going on.

This was picture of Obasanjo in 1999, that is why he was grateful to Igbos and use more Igbos in his cabinet.

Yoruba earned it. It was not given.... Sovereingty was at risk of collapse. Nigeria has not yielded to bokoharam as much and prolonged this war had been. It did not take Yoruba this long to bring Nigeria to its knees. I can't tell you the reason behind it, you have to figure it yourself, but it is there.

MayorofLagos:
Good point!

Let me highlight to you the sequence of events. They say one good turn deserves another good in the other direction.

Shortly before Abacha died he had accepted and came to terms there was nothing he could to stop Yoruba separation from Nigeria. There was not a military solution to prevent it because OPC had acquired militancy and even military properties were being blown up and their personnell targeted randomly in SW. He had however had a political solution, which was to use his Yoruba captives to negotiate a somewhat less volatile dissolution. If we dialed back to 1957 that incidence will make the third time North had accepted a readiness to dissolve. First was Ahmadu Bello disgruntingly refusing to accept independence in 1957, at the cost of separation. The second was a traumatic outcome in 1966 when Murtala opted to evacuate all Northerners in South, his Yoruba wife notwithstanding. The third was the Abacha episode with Nadeco and OPC at his throat and as Head of State he could go anywhere in the country except Yorubaland. Abacha's death was a sacrifice that kept Nigeria together. If he had not died there will be nothing called Nigeria by now.

Obasanjo was reparation to Yoruba for the wrong done to MKO. It doesn't matter which way the country voted in 1999, a Yoruba would end up as President.

Where is Ibo reparation? PDP has it. PDP treats you like scum, is disrespectful to Christians but you hold tight to them defensively. When will you realize PDP is your barrier to the Presidency?

If reparation was done to Yorubas in 1999, in 2023 reparation should also be done to Igbos, APC and PDP should produce Igbo candidate like in 1999 to ensure Igbo presidency.If not there is no way yoruba man will win election again in Nigeria, if APC present a Yoruba in 2023 then PDP will present a northerner and the northerners in APC will decamp to PDP to make sure that power remain in the north and the cycle continues.

MayorofLagos:
Yoruba earned it. It was not given.... Sovereingty was at risk of collapse. Nigeria has not yielded to bokoharam as much and prolonged this war had been. It did not take Yoruba this long to bring Nigeria to its knees. I can't tell you the reason behind it, you have to figure it yourself, but it is there.

Yoruba did not bring Nigeria to any knee, you guys are just lucky that Abacha died and nothing more. The world powers killed Abacha because he is fighting their interest like Gadafi of Libya, is it knockout that Yoruba is throwing in lagos that would have prevented Abacha from become life president of Nigeria under civilian arrangement as he has planned it.

Odingo1:
You are talking rubbish, Igbos has been contesting for presidency since 1999 on different political platform.

Know you that presidency was handed to Obasanjo on a plater of gold, he didn't work for it for one day but was pulled from prison because he handed over to Shagari against the SW wish and him as a military head of state just came by chance due the death of his boss Muritala Muhammed in a coup. Jonathan also became president by chance not by contest. Buhari is only Nigerian that have became a president by contest fueled by the northerners insisting that power must shift to the north by fire by force in 2015.

How did Presidency get to being handed over to Obasanjo?

Lets trace is back

In the Abacha regime, there were 5 political parties created UNCP, CNC, GDM, DPN and NCPN, WHen the other parties gave their ticket to Abacha, Tunji Braithwaite and MD Yusufu challenged Abacha for the GDM ticket and the case was unresolved until Abacha died

In 1993 in the 3rd Republic, A Yoruba man MKO came out and contested against an Hausa man, Where was the Ibo man? Under The Hausa Tofa

Before that in 1992, when Shinkafi, Ciroma were contesting for NRC ticket, Tar Adua and Olu Falae were slugging it out for SDP ticket, Olu Falae even won the Kaduna primary though Yar Audua responded by defeating him in the Lagos primary. Where were the Ibos?

It was as a result of this doggedness that saw the nation make concession for OBJ in 1999

Now lets fast forward after the OBJ 2 terms in 2007 All the SS governors came out to contest for presidency, from Ibori, Odili, Duke, Attah even Igbinedion while their SE counterpart were waiting for VP ticket

Odingo1:
If reparation was done to Yorubas in 1999, in 2023 reparation should also be done to Igbos, APC and PDP should produce Igbo candidate like in 1999 to ensure Igbo presidency.If not there is no way yoruba man will win election again in Nigeria, if APC present a Yoruba in 2023 then PDP will present a northerner and the northerners in APC will decamp to PDP to make sure that power remain in the north and the cycle continues.

Go for it! Who's stopping you? Yorubas are solidly behind Osinbajo to Preside over Nigeria, 2023 forward...and if he should step down we will fill the slot with another Yoruba. Northerners can do whatever they want, nobody is stopping them either.