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Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 11:31pm On Feb 16, 2017 |
nelszx: Well when I didu house job in LAUTECH the residents and consultants have their seperate labs from the scientists.... And they run all tests including blood culture... And sensitivity tests too.... See I respect all professions including MLS but when a scientist says he is superior to a doctor that's when we have issues.... A scientist can never do the work of a pathologist, it's not possible.... We correlate clinical findings with lab investigations to give a definitive diagnosis.... A scientist can't be a coroner, can't diagnose leukemia or lymphoma, can't diagnose zollinger-ellison syndrome and won't be called when there is an outbreak of ebola, it's still the pathologists.... Let's know our limits please 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 8:00am On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: Yes that practice has been happening in some centers but I think it has been stopped courtesy of the NICN declaration of last year "If you want to practice as a MLS, go and study MLS, get a licence and practice" See I respect all professions including MLS but when a scientist says he is superior to a doctor that's when we have issues.... If you carefully read I have never stated which is superior or inferior (just common sense as both aren't one and same) all the comments it's Oogway trying to talk down (bringing superiority) on us (whatever is his reasons). There was no comment on a talk down from either myself or the other guy (respect begat respect). He can't push and I keep quiet (both professions/professionals are unique and different). Yes I respect doctors so much and have many as friends but hey it doesn't mean when you talk down on my profession I will clap for you. A scientist can never do the work of a pathologist, it's not possible.... We correlate clinical findings with lab investigations to give a definitive diagnosis.... True and I'm not disputing this, the reason why I said every professional in the health sector with their various specific job descriptions. A scientist can't be a coroner, can't diagnose leukemia or lymphoma, can't diagnose zollinger-ellison syndrome and won't be called when there is an outbreak of ebola, it's still the pathologists.... Let me burst your bubble here, yeah scientist do diagnose leukaemia and even stage it. Even me if I see a leukemic slide I will tell you the type of leukaemia maybe not stage it (as it may require further testing LAP and immunochemistry). That I was properly taught when I see one I know one. If you show me a Lymph biopsy for suspected lymphoma I will show Reed-Sternberg cells but since its for doctors we leave that to them (At least for the one love in histo). As the case of ebola if memory serves me right in the wake of the ebola and Lassa crisis who gave the diagnosis that it was Ebola? Pathologists....Hell no (Every doctor was participating in the NMA strike). Have you ever wondered who are the people in the virology labs in Nigeria (They are not doctors cum pathologists but MLS). Even the FMOH through the permanent secretary then Linus awate, thanked the scientist on the prompt diagnosis (It's documented). When I lay a hand on the site I will modify and share. Let's know our limits pleaseThis is true despite knowing, "some" for reasons best known don't want to accept this. #Respect 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 2:04pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Yes that practice has been happening in some centers but I think it has been stopped courtesy of the NICN declaration of last year @nelszx please i said lets know our limits.... a doctor can own a lab as far as we are licensed under MDCN, when you guys posted your declaration the MDCN immediately posted a cover letter stating that a doctor has the full right to own a laboratory and practice there.... the MDCN also regulates laboratory medicine, if not residency in laboratory medicine would have been scrapped.... why do hospitals still employ consultants in microbiology, chemical pathology, hematology and histopathology, why?? and concerning the ebola ish, if you dont know, during an outbreak of any epidemic, the consultants in community medicine, internal medicine and MICROBIOLOGY are called to assess the situation and release a standing protocol for all doctors in the management of the epidemic, forget about any NMA strike here, because there are doctors under the FMOH.... and who died in the war against ebola, a scientist?? |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 4:15pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: Yes a doctor can own a lab,anybody can own a lab even business men with financial power can own a lab, but such facility cannot be registered with MDCN(as legally during inspection it will be closed down and be prosecuted for quackery) as it should be manned and supervised by a scientist and not a doctor. All labs private, public and those attached to clinics are regulated by MLSCN as stated in the act. There's no where in the MDCN where it states it regulates the PRACTICE of laboratory medicine but it's boldly written on the MLSCN Act. OK on the cover letter as falsely released by MDCN in 2014 which states on it that it regulates the practice of laboratory medicine, please kindly visit the MDCN page and confirm if such still exists (they have come to terms that that isn't their purview and as such a bridge of function). That shit was removed after the NICN declaration of 2016 which still stands till today. The reason it states you cannot practice MLS and Medicine together (Jack of all trade) that if after medicine they so decide they want to practice MLS they should get a licence from MLSCN and practice as one. MLSCN Act 4(b) regulate the practice of Medical Laboratory Science in Nigeria (in any guise) 19(1),d the maintenance of good standard of medical laboratory practice and services with respect to regulation and control of private practice including statutory inspection, approval and monitoring of all medical laboratories including those adjoined to clinics, private and public health institutions 29(b) The practice includes medical microbiology, clinical chemistry, chemical pathology, haematology, blood transfusion science, virology, histopathology, histochemistry, immunology, cytogenetic, exfoliative cytology parasitology, forensic science, molecular biology, laboratory management; or any other related subject as may be approved by the Council Please show me where in your act MDCN regulates laboratory medicine, accredits public, private and labs attached to clinics and also permits doctors to PRACTICE as carried in that cover letter in 2014 (I will be waiting to see such) Let me mention hospitals/ labs owned by doctors but are not registered with their MDCN licenses but are duely registered with MLSCN 1. Clina lancet laboratories 2. Me cure diagnostics 3. El labs 4. NAF laboratory 5. FTH labs why do hospitals still employ consultants in microbiology, chemical pathology, hematology and histopathology, why?? Because there maybe one or more consultative and specialised clinical services they render patients after reviewing test results (which may not require the services of scientists) not to start competing with the scientist on work benches or fighting to countersign what they had no contribution on. and concerning the ebola ish, if you dont know, during an outbreak of any epidemic, the consultants in community medicine, internal medicine and MICROBIOLOGY are called to assess the situation and release a standing protocol for all doctors in the management of the epidemic, forget about any NMA strike here, because there are doctors under the FMOH.... As it is in MLS, the public health and microbiology scientists bring out protocol on how to handle such patients and what to do when and where (we don't receive that from doctors). Yes there may be doctors in the FMOH but the detection that it was Ebola wasn't and didn't come from the FMOH lol but from a virology lab at LUTH,Irrua Specialist virology labs by Scientists on the detection of the EVD (Don't worry when I get the link I must show you) and who died in the war against ebola, a scientist??Who died: A nurse died and a doctor followed but the scientist was quarantined though he didn't die. Who detected it was Ebola and not malaria: A MLS Guidelines were immediately sent from CDC US to every scientists as suspected samples would be sent them 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 4:42pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
nelszx: this is annoying, why arer you arguing blindly usually i send people to do research on their own but since you think yuou know all let me put it there for you The Medical and Dental professions in Nigeria are regulated by the Medical and Dental Practitioners Act Cap 221 (now Cap M8) Laws of Federation of Nigeria 1990 which sets up the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria with the following mandates: I wont even bother replying you on any of these issues because it seems you're egocentric..... and i don't argue with people that are resistant to facts |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 4:45pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
nelszx: your egocentric and narcissistic attitude would take you nowhere.... Dr adadevoh was the first to suspect ebola when other docs thought it was malaria, and when it was confirmed, she quarantined herself and died.... whether the scientist died or not is not the bone of contention here.... i'm not replying u again |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 5:02pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: Bros I'm sorry if my points didn't go down well with you...I apologise I'm neither egocentric nor narcissistic but I'm just being truthful. On what you boldly quoted as MDCN Act, please Sir that thing is no where written on MDCN Act (I mean NOWHERE). The MDCN just uploaded that on the site. On the Cap M8 of both 2004 and amended act of 2010, there's nothing like that sir. On the Cap M8 of both 2004 and amended 2010 it states and I quote: 1[2(e)] making regulation on the operation of clinical laboratory PRACTICAL in the field of Pathology which includes Histopathology, Forensic Pathology, Autopsy and Cytology, Clinical Cytogenetics, Haematology, Medical Micro-biology and Medical Parasitology, Chemical Pathology, Clinical Chemistry, Immunology and Medical Virology The constituted MDCN act is online find it, download and read through not what MDCN published on her site (falsehood putting doctors into litigations) N.B: I have done my research well and should there be need for more I'd gladly do 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 5:05pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: May God bless her heroics for saving many Nigerians in the wake of the crisis. Was only answering your question on who died which was the nurse before our national heroine. The bone of contention wasn't who suspected but who confirmed it was EVD. Have a nice day sir......You are my guy Any day I respect you sir 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Oogway: 5:19pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
nelszx: Bro stop talking about things u don't know. During the ebola ish. Doctors did all they were the ones who diagnosed the patient of Ebola. Even during the treatment that followed your so called nurses didn't come close. Doctors went even as much as mobbing the floors. Because no 1 came close. Moreover during an outbreak of epidemic as it was in the case of Ebola NMA ordered that voluntary doctors should suspend the strike and fight ebola. Please read and stop arguing things you don't know. https://www.thecable.ng/how-i-survived-ebola-2/2 |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Oogway: 5:38pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Oogway: https://www.thecable.ng/how-i-survived-ebola-2 |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 5:48pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
nelszx: oga we are saying the same thing nah, at least with what you quoted a doctor can operate a clinical lab used for diagnosis and research.... lets just understand each other, i deeply respect lab scientists, i have friends that are scientists, we work together in a cordial manner, even graduate nurses and so forth, we reason together on how to make the patient better, especially when i was doing my NYSC.... i can never be angry at or with you, i just want us to know our limits, thats all.... 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Nobody: 6:38pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: Nice reply doc, I have lots of doctors, pharmacists, radiographers as friends. We even engage ourselves in sporting competition during my internship. However every one should respect boundaries and limits. Fact is that the new generation of MLScts are not the last generation lab boy and girl with 6 months training or inadequate training offered to MLT at the monotechnics. Today MLScts are academically and professionally equipped to practice laboratory medicine, contribute to medicine and to humanity. Many Scts are furthering academically, advancing and diversifying to other sectors were there services are required. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Oogway: 7:10pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
cowleg: Thank you chief. Let's co exist. One love |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 7:13pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: Well let's not argue further, this I know it's not true we're just in a country where anything goes but truthfully he doesn't have any mandate on such operation as such lab must be registered with MLSCN for it to be legally operated eg Clina-lancet laboratory is owned by pathologists, even El-Lab has in its facilities a consultant pathologist but it's registered with MLSCN as legally constituted for its operations (that doesn't mean he's surrendering his practice but rather doing whats legal) lets just understand each other, i deeply respect lab scientists, i have friends that are scientists, we work together in a cordial manner, even graduate nurses and so forth, we reason together on how to make the patient better, especially when i was doing my NYSC.... I know my limits and I won't cross boundaries as I'm aware of the possible consequences. #Let's co-exist #One love 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 7:19pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 7:26pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
nelszx: oga please, there are many laboratories that are owned by pathologists and they never called any MLSCN license or whatever.... i still ask, if there are scientists, what is now the role of the pathologist?? go to okin histoservices in ilorin, the owner is a pathologist, he has NO scientist under him, another is akande memorial diagnostics, the husband is a chemical pathologist while the wife is a radiologist (not a radiographer) yet no MLS there... we all know an MLS can own a lab but saying a doctor cant own and operate a lab is an insult to the medical profession, please dont disgrace yourself when you leave the country.... peace 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 8:07pm On Feb 17, 2017 |
Lagusta: I didn't say they must have MLSCN license whatsoever, I said they must be MLSCN accredited. What do you think happened to Pathcare N1b suit against MLSCN? but today they have many scientists and the fuss has dropped down i still ask, if there are scientists, what is now the role of the pathologist?? Histo services are allowed anywhere in the world as their services are quite unique (they are the only group who cohabit peacefully with scientists) but who process the tissues in the histolab after cut up? Most times after the cut up they send samples out for processing (tissue processing to slide level) before its been mounted on a slide and sent back for viewing. Thats what most private histolab do if they don't have the facility to process the sample (MLS will still process the sample for the histopathologist to view and he MAYBE invited if it requires critical decision taken) Akande memorial services deals with ultrasound X-ray diagnosis (thanks to Google), nothing concerns MLS with X-ray diagnostics so you don't expect to see MLS there but rather radiographers SHOULD NEED BE (even as RRBN are now closing centers owned and manned by radiologist in certain states) we all know an MLS can own a lab but saying a doctor cant own and operate a lab is an insult to the medical profession, please dont disgrace yourself when you leave the country.... Hahaha I promise I won't disgrace myself when I leave peace Peace too |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Lagusta(m): 7:37am On Feb 18, 2017 |
nelszx: Akande memorial also performs lab tests too, not only radios Gnostics, we aren't talking about radiographers here... Go to Ilorin and find out.... Good morning |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 7:53am On Feb 18, 2017 |
Lagusta: Ok my chief whenever I visit Ilorin, I'll find out Good morning and enjoy your weekend sir |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by oyatz(m): 10:43pm On Sep 06, 2018 |
Prof Christian Happi, a Biochemist (not any MLS) and a Professor of Molecular Biology at the Virology research laboratory of the Redeemer's University carried out the confirmatory laboratory test that helped to diagnosed the first cases of Ebola in Nigeria. The Redeemer's university Virology laboratory established under the guidance and leardership of RU's former VC, Prof Oyewale Tomori(Nigeria's Ace Virologist who is NOT a MLS) is still one of the foremost Viriology Laboratories in Nigeria. So many over zealous young MLS guys like to claim credit for this because they wrongly assume that anybody working in the laboratory that's not medical doctor must be a MLS. . . nelszx: |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 12:04am On Sep 07, 2018 |
Have you seen or been to a virology lab before? If you haven't then you need to see one. A virology lab is always as it is research or reference lab so is a molecular biology lab (which my brother is quite different from a Medical lab). Do you know there's a difference between a Medical lab and a reserach/reference lab (if you don't know then get yourself educated). These labs have a doctor, a MLS and others (microbiologists, biochemists, cell biologists) in it so it's only one who hasn't been to one that would just say things off Google search. Such labs are strictly for reference and research the reason why so many things can be discovered as you stated in the case of Ebola. A virology lab has principal actors (doctor + MLS) who are actively researcher in human trial phase as well as other researchers in line with either virology or molecular biology. So if you don't know take a tour of the Chevron molecular biology lab in LUTH,IHVN, NIMR (human virology and genomics), VOM Jos etc and see first hand. Prof tomori has a DVM plus FRCPath in the UK with reference to virology and overtime has built his folio upon that so I see no point in what you are driving at. We all know the core crux of the profession. Prof Christian Happi is a researcher in molecular biology and genomics so it's only wise we benefit from his wealth of research since the virology lab/molecular biology labs are strictly research and reference purposes. Same way Prof Wellington Oyibo (UNILAG) discovered a urine method of determining Plasmodium. These guys are researchers and should publish their research findings from time to time (reason they are given grants and specific time frame for their research) Just like some are working on lassa fever research and in due course provide easier means the viruses can be detected. oyatz: 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Nobody: 12:05am On Sep 07, 2018 |
You people are busy arguing who died first and who died last when your mates abroad are making new discoveries. Mtcheeew. |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by arinzos(m): 1:56pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Owomkpo:Your point is? |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by Babygirlll(f): 3:11pm On May 09, 2021 |
nelszx: Hey nelszx, I serendipitous stumbled on this thread this lazy afternoon and I can't believe it is 4years after the whole saga. Your points were detailed, enlightening and exhaustive. It's 4 years now, and I just want to wish you well in your endeavors. Signed A career admirer. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 2:14pm On May 10, 2021 |
Babygirlll:Hey Babygirlll, Thank you for taking time to read through this thread, I really can't remember I said the above. I used to be like this but not any longer. Keep and work safe 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by NewJ6322: 7:37pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
nelszx:nelszx pls are histopathologist (medical lab sct) surpressed by histopathologist ( doctors) in the lab |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 10:51pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
NewJ6322:Nah that's the only department they work in synergy (that I have seen), they are one happy family. I haven't seen any rancor in any of the histo labs. |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by space9880: 6:41am On Aug 19, 2021 |
Oogway:everybody dey oppress medical biochemistry |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by NewJ6322: 3:51pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
nelszx:won't doctors restrict them and what is work of a histopathologist (medical laboratory science) |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nelszx: 4:28pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
NewJ6322:When you get there, you'd see for yourself 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by alexvic12: 8:05am On Aug 22, 2021 |
Dear OP, A biochemist is not licensed to do the work of a medical laboratory scientist. It isn't oppression, but a respect for the rules and regulations. This argument is why our medical sector in Nigeria is in shambles; we have people who are unofficially trained to handle jobs meant for professionals in our hospitals and laboratories. Many hospitals and CMDs do this to save costs. I've heard of doctors who 'train' their biochemist friends in medical laboratory sciences and put them in charge of their private laboratories. I agree that these guys may even become more knowledgeable than a university-trained and licensed MLS, but that doesn't make it right. It is akin to those doctors who train SSCE holders for between six months and a year to become 'nurses' and they graduate from wearing blue to white. It is wrong! We all hail the abroad medical systems so let's be ready to do what is obtainable there! You'll never find a biochemist or microbiologist working in the role of a medical laboratory scientist abroad. They can work in virology, biotechnology, or as research scientists but not in an MLS capacity in a hospital. Even getting an MSc and Ph.D. in chemical pathology doesn't qualify a Biochemist to work in a hospital laboratory as an MLS. They can be called in to assist or consult, but not as the primary professional in charge! If you want to work in any professional capacity, go get the official qualifications and get licensed. When MLS insists on not allowing MCB and BCH to work in the laboratories, it isn't hatred or intimidation, or oppression. It is simply a respect for the law. I studied Biochemistry too, so don't think I don't understand your frustration at being kicked out of every sector where you think you have some knowledge. You can go on to do an MSc in biomedical science and still work in the laboratory in a similar role to MLS. Similar, but not exactly. Peace. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Medical Laboratory Scientists Find Pleasure In Oppressing Biochemist, MCB by nurain150(m): 2:26pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
[quote author=nelszx post=53522482] Interpretation of test results is taught in school (from basic to advanced state) as part of the training curriculum and it's no where in MDCN Act also (If you see it you can show me). Training curriculum from 300l prepares you for that (Pathology / pathophysiology of diseases, Pharmacology, Clinical chemistry, Haematology, Histopathology and Medical Microbiology from basic to advanced) The only thing the pathologist has over the scientist is that he's seeing the patients medical history in front of him and can relate the result to the patient while the scientist can tell from his/her result. I've seen cases after conducting a test, some doctors call to ask what this means if I can't interpret my result then what differentiates me from the conventional Quacks? Funny how you are commonising MLS [/quote ] Bro MLS is now six years in my school, basically DMLS. I want to ask if you guys are still allowing patho people to sign your results. Or head labs and man man power. |
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