nelszx:


If there are counter claims to his "lies" please bring it forward. Cos I just asked another person who did internship there and yet she didn't say otherwise.

To every "lies" there's always an atom of truth till otherwise proven

Lagusta:


Well when I didu house job in LAUTECH the residents and consultants have their seperate labs from the scientists.... And they run all tests including blood culture... And sensitivity tests too....

See I respect all professions including MLS but when a scientist says he is superior to a doctor that's when we have issues....

A scientist can never do the work of a pathologist, it's not possible.... We correlate clinical findings with lab investigations to give a definitive diagnosis....

A scientist can't be a coroner, can't diagnose leukemia or lymphoma, can't diagnose zollinger-ellison syndrome and won't be called when there is an outbreak of ebola, it's still the pathologists....

Let's know our limits please

Yes that practice has been happening in some centers but I think it has been stopped courtesy of the NICN declaration of last year
"If you want to practice as a MLS, go and study MLS, get a licence and practice"

Lagusta:


@nelszx

please i said lets know our limits.... a doctor can own a lab as far as we are licensed under MDCN, when you guys posted your declaration the MDCN immediately posted a cover letter stating that a doctor has the full right to own a laboratory and practice there.... the MDCN also regulates laboratory medicine, if not residency in laboratory medicine would have been scrapped....

why do hospitals still employ consultants in microbiology, chemical pathology, hematology and histopathology, why??

and concerning the ebola ish, if you dont know, during an outbreak of any epidemic, the consultants in community medicine, internal medicine and MICROBIOLOGY are called to assess the situation and release a standing protocol for all doctors in the management of the epidemic, forget about any NMA strike here, because there are doctors under the FMOH....

and who died in the war against ebola, a scientist??

nelszx:


Yes a doctor can own a lab,anybody can own a lab even business men with financial power can own a lab, but such facility cannot be registered with MDCN(as legally during inspection it will be closed down and be prosecuted for quackery) as it should be manned and supervised by a scientist and not a doctor. All labs private, public and those attached to clinics are regulated by MLSCN as stated in the act. There's no where in the MDCN where it states it regulates the PRACTICE of laboratory medicine but it's boldly written on the MLSCN Act.
OK on the cover letter as falsely released by MDCN in 2014 which states on it that it regulates the practice of laboratory medicine, please kindly visit the MDCN page and confirm if such still exists (they have come to terms that that isn't their purview and as such a bridge of function).

The Medical and Dental professions in Nigeria are regulated by the Medical and Dental Practitioners Act Cap 221 (now Cap M8) Laws of Federation of Nigeria 1990 which sets up the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria with the following mandates:


Regulation of training in Medicine, Dentistry and Alternative Medicine in Nigeria
Regulation of Medical, Dental and Alternative Medicine practice in Nigeria.
Determination of the knowledge and skills of these professionals.
Regulation and control of Laboratory Medicine in Nigeria.

nelszx:


Who died: A nurse died and a doctor followed but the scientist was quarantined though he didn't die.
Who detected it was Ebola and not malaria: A MLS

Guidelines were immediately sent from CDC US to every scientists as suspected samples would be sent them

Lagusta:


this is annoying, why arer you arguing blindly

usually i send people to do research on their own but since you think yuou know all let me put it there for you



I wont even bother replying you on any of these issues because it seems you're egocentric..... and i don't argue with people that are resistant to facts

Lagusta:


your egocentric and narcissistic attitude would take you nowhere....

Dr adadevoh was the first to suspect ebola when other docs thought it was malaria, and when it was confirmed, she quarantined herself and died.... whether the scientist died or not is not the bone of contention here....

i'm not replying u again

nelszx:


May God bless her heroics for saving many Nigerians in the wake of the crisis. Was only answering your question on who died which was the nurse before our national heroine. The bone of contention wasn't who suspected but who confirmed it was EVD.

Have a nice day sir......You are my guy
Any day I respect you sir

Oogway:



Bro stop talking about things u don't know. During the ebola ish. Doctors did all they were the ones who diagnosed the patient of Ebola. Even during the treatment that followed your so called nurses didn't come close. Doctors went even as much as mobbing the floors. Because no 1 came close. Moreover during an outbreak of epidemic as it was in the case of Ebola NMA ordered that voluntary doctors should suspend the strike and fight ebola. Please read and stop arguing things you don't know. https://www.thecable.ng/how-i-survived-ebola-2/2

nelszx:


Bros I'm sorry if my points didn't go down well with you...I apologise I'm neither egocentric nor narcissistic but I'm just being truthful.

On what you boldly quoted as MDCN Act, please Sir that thing is no where written on MDCN Act (I mean NOWHERE). The MDCN just uploaded that on the site. On the Cap M8 of both 2004 and amended act of 2010, there's nothing like that sir.

On the Cap M8 of both 2004 and amended 2010 it states and I quote:
1[2(e)] making regulation on the operation of clinical laboratory PRACTICAL in the field of Pathology which includes Histopathology, Forensic Pathology, Autopsy and Cytology, Clinical Cytogenetics, Haematology, Medical Micro-biology and Medical Parasitology, Chemical Pathology, Clinical Chemistry, Immunology and Medical Virology

The constituted MDCN act is online find it, download and read through not what MDCN published on her site (falsehood putting doctors into litigations)

N.B: I have done my research well and should there be need for more I'd gladly do

Lagusta:


oga we are saying the same thing nah, at least with what you quoted a doctor can operate a clinical lab used for diagnosis and research....

lets just understand each other, i deeply respect lab scientists, i have friends that are scientists, we work together in a cordial manner, even graduate nurses and so forth, we reason together on how to make the patient better, especially when i was doing my NYSC....

i can never be angry at or with you, i just want us to know our limits, thats all....

cowleg:


Nice reply doc, I have lots of doctors, pharmacists, radiographers as friends. We even engage ourselves in sporting competition during my internship. However every one should respect boundaries and limits. Fact is that the new generation of MLScts are not the last generation lab boy and girl with 6 months training or inadequate training offered to MLT at the monotechnics. Today MLScts are academically and professionally equipped to practice laboratory medicine, contribute to medicine and to humanity. Many Scts are furthering academically, advancing and diversifying to other sectors were there services are required.

Lagusta:


oga we are saying the same thing nah, at least with what you quoted a doctor can operate a clinical lab used for diagnosis and research....

lets just understand each other, i deeply respect lab scientists, i have friends that are scientists, we work together in a cordial manner, even graduate nurses and so forth, we reason together on how to make the patient better, especially when i was doing my NYSC....

i can never be angry at or with you, i just want us to know our limits, thats all....

Oogway:



Thank you chief. Let's co exist. One love

nelszx:


Well let's not argue further, this I know it's not true we're just in a country where anything goes but truthfully he doesn't have any mandate on such operation as such lab must be registered with MLSCN for it to be legally operated eg Clina-lancet laboratory is owned by pathologists, but it's registered with MLSCN as legally constituted for its operations (that doesn't mean he's surrendering his practice but rather doing whats legal)



I know my limits and I won't cross boundaries as I'm aware of the possible consequences.
#Let's co-exist #One love

Lagusta:


oga please, there are many laboratories that are owned by pathologists and they never called any MLSCN license or whatever....

i still ask, if there are scientists, what is now the role of the pathologist??
go to okin histoservices in ilorin, the owner is a pathologist, he has NO scientist under him, another is akande memorial diagnostics, the husband is a chemical pathologist while the wife is a radiologist (not a radiographer) yet no MLS there...

we all know an MLS can own a lab but saying a doctor cant own and operate a lab is an insult to the medical profession, please dont disgrace yourself when you leave the country....

peace

nelszx:


I didn't say they must have MLSCN license whatsoever, I said they must be MLSCN accredited. What do you think happened to Pathcare N1b suit against MLSCN? but today they have many scientists and the fuss has dropped down



Histo services are allowed anywhere in the world as their services are quite unique (they are the only group who cohabit peacefully with scientists) but who process the tissues in the histolab after cut up? Most times after the cut up they send samples out for processing (tissue processing to slide level) before its been mounted on a slide and sent back for viewing. Thats what most private histolab do if they don't have the facility to process the sample (MLS will still process the sample for the histopathologist to view and he MAYBE invited if it requires critical decision taken)

Akande memorial services deals with ultrasound X-ray diagnosis (thanks to Google), nothing concerns MLS with X-ray diagnostics so you don't expect to see MLS there but rather radiographers SHOULD NEED BE (even as RRBN are now closing centers owned and manned by radiologist in certain states)



Hahaha I promise I won't disgrace myself when I leave



Peace too

Lagusta:


Akande memorial also performs lab tests too, not only radios Gnostics, we aren't talking about radiographers here... Go to Ilorin and find out....

Good morning

nelszx:


Yes that practice has been happening in some centers but I think it has been stopped courtesy of the NICN declaration of last year
"If you want to practice as a MLS, go and study MLS, get a licence and practice"



If you carefully read I have never stated which is superior or inferior (just common sense as both aren't one and same) all the comments it's Oogway trying to talk down (bringing superiority) on us (whatever is his reasons). There was no comment on a talk down from either myself or the other guy (respect begat respect). He can't push and I keep quiet (both professions/professionals are unique and different). Yes I respect doctors so much and have many as friends but hey it doesn't mean when you talk down on my profession I will clap for you.



True and I'm not disputing this, the reason why I said every professional in the health sector with their various specific job descriptions.



Let me burst your bubble here, yeah scientist do diagnose leukaemia and even stage it. Even me if I see a leukemic slide I will tell you the type of leukaemia maybe not stage it (as it may require further testing LAP and immunochemistry). That I was properly taught when I see one I know one.
If you show me a Lymph biopsy for suspected lymphoma I will show Reed-Sternberg cells but since its for doctors we leave that to them (At least for the one love in histo).

As the case of ebola if memory serves me right in the wake of the ebola and Lassa crisis who gave the diagnosis that it was Ebola? Pathologists....Hell no (Every doctor was participating in the NMA strike).

Have you ever wondered who are the people in the virology labs in Nigeria (They are not doctors cum pathologists but MLS).
Even the FMOH through the permanent secretary then Linus awate, thanked the scientist on the prompt diagnosis (It's documented). When I lay a hand on the site I will modify and share.


This is true despite knowing, "some" for reasons best known don't want to accept this.
#Respect

oyatz:
Prof Christian Happi, a Biochemist (not any MLS) and a Professor of Molecular Biology at the Virology research laboratory of the Redeemer's University carried out the confirmatory laboratory test that helped to diagnosed the first cases of Ebola in Nigeria.

The Redeemer's university Virology laboratory established under the guidance and leardership of RU's former VC, Prof Oyewale Tomori(Nigeria's Ace Virologist who is NOT a MLS) is still one of the foremost Viriology Laboratories in Nigeria.

So many over zealous young MLS guys like to claim credit for this because they wrongly assume that anybody working in the laboratory that's not medical doctor must be a MLS.


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Owomkpo:
You people are busy arguing who died first and who died last when your mates abroad are making new discoveries.
Mtcheeew.

nelszx:
Have you seen or been to a virology lab before? If you haven't then you need to see one. A virology lab is always as it is research or reference lab so is a molecular biology lab (which my brother is quite different from a Medical lab). Do you know there's a difference between a Medical lab and a reserach/reference lab (if you don't know then get yourself educated). These labs have a doctor, a MLS and others (microbiologists, biochemists, cell biologists) in it so it's only one who hasn't been to one that would just say things off Google search. Such labs are strictly for reference and research the reason why so many things can be discovered as you stated in the case of Ebola.

A virology lab has principal actors (doctor + MLS) who are actively researcher in human trial phase as well as other researchers in line with either virology or molecular biology. So if you don't know take a tour of the Chevron molecular biology lab in LUTH,IHVN, NIMR (human virology and genomics), VOM Jos etc and see first hand.

Prof tomori has a DVM plus FRCPath in the UK with reference to virology and overtime has built his folio upon that so I see no point in what you are driving at. We all know the core crux of the profession.

Prof Christian Happi is a researcher in molecular biology and genomics so it's only wise we benefit from his wealth of research since the virology lab/molecular biology labs are strictly research and reference purposes. Same way Prof Wellington Oyibo (UNILAG) discovered a urine method of determining Plasmodium. These guys are researchers and should publish their research findings from time to time (reason they are given grants and specific time frame for their research) Just like some are working on lassa fever research and in due course provide easier means the viruses can be detected.

Babygirlll:


Hey nelszx,
I serendipitous stumbled on this thread this lazy afternoon and I can't believe it is 4years after the whole saga. Your points were detailed, enlightening and exhaustive. It's 4 years now, and I just want to wish you well in your endeavors.

Signed
A career admirer.

nelszx:

Hey Babygirlll,

Thank you for taking time to read through this thread, I really can't remember I said the above. I used to be like this but not any longer.

Keep and work safe

NewJ6322:
nelszx pls are histopathologist (medical lab sct) surpressed by histopathologist ( doctors) in the lab

Oogway:
Why do Medical Laboratory Scientists derive pleasure in oppressing Biochemist, Microbiologists and Laboratory technicians but always cry the oppressed/victims when it comes to PATHOLOGISTS(Medical Doctors). They claim these people don't have the required training and experience but following this argument of theirs do they need to cry victim as the same logic is applicable to them and the Pathologist??

nelszx:

Nah that's the only department they work in synergy (that I have seen), they are one happy family. I haven't seen any rancor in any of the histo labs.

NewJ6322:
won't doctors restrict them and what is work of a histopathologist (medical laboratory science)