₦airaland Forum

TayserMahiri:
Wenedem, you are definitely playing Ethiopian politics now. Theres a lot of literature showing that Oromos were part of Kush, including that their civilization could have led to the development or at least played a part. The problem with Ethio history is things get messy when Oromos are involved. Non-Oromos (essentially govt elements) assert that Oromo had nothing to do with the empire with some very fishy motives. I really dont know why you folks detest Oromos that much. On the other hand, Oromos claim most of Kush (and Nubian) history is fake with an agenda to marginalize them, and they are the real owners. Do you know one Dr. Megalommatis? He is an Oromo intellectual.

TayserMahiri:
What a disingenuous job you're doing misinforming people. If something is not your forte please dont force it and dont make things up. What the hell?

Khoisan are related to other Africans and largely so from the San end. Remember Khoisan is an amalgamation of two ancient tribes, the Khoikhoi and the Sans. They must have told you that in History.

This is the story from DNA.



One last thing, humanity's relationship is not hierarchical as you claim. Its a Network! The relationship between Khoisans and other people, for example, is not ladder-like. You are doing terrible injustice to knowledge.

Hati13:
Wenedem, it isn’t politics or hating but Oromo weren’t part of Kush civilization (at least until strong evidence is found). Maybe I may be wrong by saying that Oromo had nothing to do with Kush. They might had some connection. But saying Oromo were part of Kush civilization just because of recent centuries old literatures seems unconvincing.

I checked few of Dr. Megalommatis works few weeks ago. He seems extremists with OLF agenda.

TayserMahiri:
What a disingenuous job you're doing misinforming people. If something is not your forte please dont force it and dont make things up. What the hell?

Khoisan are related to other Africans and largely so from the San end. Remember Khoisan is an amalgamation of two ancient tribes, the Khoikhoi and the Sans. They must have told you that in History.

This is the story from DNA.



One last thing, humanity's relationship is not hierarchical as you claim. Its a Network! The relationship between Khoisans and other people, for example, is not ladder-like. You are doing terrible injustice to knowledge.

kikuyu1:
Exactly! Human relationships aren't as linear as we like to insist. Which is why language and ethnic groups aren't concrete human divisions. Kevomtaani,has already shown us a high Somali DNA count in his supposedly Kikuyu ancestry. Here's yet another Kikuyu with 27% Somali,12 % Naij ,3.6% Sierra Leone and O.9% Chinese -HOW AND WHY!!??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRKz-jv3YPA

rvp2018:
What make a tribe or ethnic group is the core - not the admixtures. When are are talking kikuyus - we don not talk about random guy we measured who is half kikuyu and half chinese - we consider the majority - the core - and that core is bantu - in genetics, in language and history. Human or any species taxanomy is hierarchical coz it based on biology of cell splitting to form a new cell - which has attributes of parent cells - mother & father for human - which are all carried in dna. Of course human relationship are a network - you're free to mate with chinese - and bring fort a kikuyu-chinese - and if majority of kikuyus were to do that - they'd bring forth a new tribe of Kikuyu-Chinese.

mtisTheQubit:
What make a tribe or ethnic group is Y chromosome, passed exclusively from father to son...

rvp2018:
I think at time of Kush civilization there was no oromo - there were proto-cushite - and Oromo & Somalis had not split into seperate tribes - they would emigrate as proto-eastern/southern cushites and later split in region of Ethiopia/Kenya/Somalia.

rvp2018:
Nope. I can give you example of Maasai or Kalenjin. The majority of men carries Cushitic Y chromosomes while the majority of women carries Nilotic mt-dna. And yet Maasai & Kalenjin are nilotic, in Culture, and in Language. Why is that - it possible that cushitic men married nilotic women and were kicked out main cushitic folk.What make an ethnic group is a lot more than Y chromosomes - it is their language, the culture, the history, the y & x chromosomes. Language has it's genetics - we are able to identify cognate words - and loan words - which is why the advance of genetics has only confirmed what was known 200yrs ago by Linguistist

Hati13:
Oromo were separate of Somali during Kush period. Cushite were diversified ppl during Kush time. Cushite are one of the oldest group in the world.

People imagine Oromo and Somali when they think about Cushite but Agew are more important than them.

mtisTheQubit:
So if not the genes then whats makes up a tribe…

Is it Locality coz Kenya's Kamba (Akamba) doea not look like Kamba Cuá Cua population of Paraguay, South America even though they are kambas.

Is it appearance…Observing the Nandi and Kipsigis sub tribes they do not look alike.The Kipsigis look almost like bantus while Nandis look like Nilotes but they are Kalenjins.

Is it Language…Merus or even Kambas need not be taught Kikuyu language to understand it yet they are not Kikuyus while some Luhya (Abaluyia or Luyia) sub-tribes cannot converse well with each other but they all called Luhyas.

The list may be long but ya got what am trying to say…For me the traditions of our ancestors whether is taboos or folk tales or other stuff we learn that bind us together might qualify more when classifying tribes in Africa (The stuff you refuse to acknowledge Mr rvp2018 )

Note:
In a way I got issue with the bolded..It might be true but I think the size of sampling data used is a little bit low..
“ A Y-chromosome study by Wood et al. (2005) tested various populations in Africa for paternal lineages, including 26 Maasai and 9 Luo from Kenya, and 9 Alur from the Democratic Republic of Congo. The signature Nilotic paternal marker Haplogroup A3b2 was observed in 27% of the Maasai, 22% of the Alur, and 11% of the Luo.””

rvp2018:
Linguistic evidence suggest proto-oromo and proto-somalis split around 2,500-3,000 yrs (nearly about the same time proto-bantus were splitting and dispersing from Cameroon). It therefore is very unlikely there were present in Kush - the empire. Both Somalis & Oromos really have no history of kings & kingdoms.Therefore they may have emigrated from Kushite homeland of confluence of Sudan -Egypt-Ethiopia way before ancient kingdoms of Egypt, Nubia and Ethiopia were established..

Hati13:
I didn’t said Oromo and Somali were present in Kush. When I say KUSH PERIOD, I’m not connecting them with Kush but just referring the time.

Cushitic origin was in Ethiopia and none of them migrated from Egypt/Sudan to Ethiopia.

gallivant:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoK7Kc1W0AEnHjq.jpg


https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/f30cee1cc0bdcb6a8e0dd6bf94415fc6/5BBC2B7A/t51.2885-15/e35/28763613_604057419943718_2255346073692274688_n.jpgThose are empty containers! Old school locomotive cant perform.Wait for the longest electrified railway from Tz..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkkzLoJXgAM0_jN.jpg

rvp2018:
Many traditions, cultures, etc are shared. I'd put the difference btw groups to language. An ethnic group is defined by it's language.

gallivant:


Jivunie mzeiya!

ManMountain:
Op, shut up, so Nigerians should watch on as Ibos and Kenyans take to Twitter to insult my fatherland?
You are high on early morning urine

Hati13:
All humans including Africans originated in Ethiopia. Khoisan are African origin. Again I don’t know where you are getting your informations from.

Hati13:
Wenedem, it isn’t politics or hating but Oromo weren’t part of Kush civilization (at least until strong evidence is found). Maybe I may be wrong by saying that Oromo had nothing to do with Kush. They might had some connection. But saying Oromo were part of Kush civilization just because of recent centuries old literatures seems unconvincing.

I checked few of Dr. Megalommatis works few weeks ago. He seems extremists with OLF agenda.

I have begun to write the history of the Galla (Oromo) in order to make known the number of their tribes, their readiness to kill people, and the brutality of their manners. If anyone should say of my subject, 'Why has he written a history of a bad people, just as one would write a history of good people', I would answer by saying 'Search in the books, and you will find that the history of Mohamed and the Moslem kings has been written, and they are our enemies in religion.'

rvp2018:
This I suspect is beyond your paygrade. Concentrate on oral history from African tribes. Khoisan have neaderthetal genes that are alien in Africa.That can only mean they came back to Africa either from Europe or Asia...some thousands years ago. They also have Denivisan which is only present in Asians.

kikuyu1:
Exactly! Human relationships aren't as linear as we like to insist. Which is why language and ethnic groups aren't concrete human divisions. Kevomtaani,has already shown us a high Somali DNA count in his supposedly Kikuyu ancestry. Here's yet another Kikuyu with 27% Somali,12 % Naij ,3.6% Sierra Leone and O.9% Chinese -HOW AND WHY!!??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRKz-jv3YPA

I strongly suspect many if not most Kikuyus test high Kushite-I already showed you our close S Ethio DNA kin,the Hamar (Amarkoke),for some reason you rejected this,but you weren't alone . I'd like to do my own but my biggest concern isn't price but I'm not sure on the DNA companies data base:ie how comprehensive is their sample base to test? Maybe they only have 20 Sandawe/Liberian/Yemen samples to compare with? How tight is their methodology? The famous black US commentator Tariq Nasheed cheek swabbed his Labrador which came back 25% Cherokee from 23andme !!

mtisTheQubit:
This guy makes sense or its just me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diJrraOLF5k

Kazikazi:
Those are empty containers! Old school locomotive cant perform.Wait for the longest electrified railway from Tz..

TayserMahiri:
Also wonder where he's digging the infor from.

How did you reach to the conclusion that humans originated in Ethiopia? There was a fossil discovery of humans who lived 315,000 yrs ago in Morocco at a site called Jebel Irhoud published June of last year . It appears like archaic humans were evolving into modern humans in different locations around Africa simultaneously. That site is so far the oldest and richest African Middle Stone Age hominin site that documents early stages of the H. sapiens clade.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature22336

TayserMahiri:
He certainly sounds angry, rather understandably I'd say, but he has some valid points. A lot of Oromo history has been eroded/distorted by centuries of demonization by Abyssinian rulers, court historians and monks. Dont know if you know this but Oromos have always been the check against Abyssinian/ Aksumite expansion to the south for the past 2,000 years, much to the irk of Ethiopians/Abyssinians. Which they are still doing now by protesting the expansion of Addis into Oromiya. Its quite an old confrontation. Things were possibly the same as they are now even 1,000 years ago, confrontation-wise.

Came across some descriptions/depictions of Oromos from ancient Abyssinian rulers, noblemen and clergy and it was quite nasty. Ethiopian clergymen used to say Oromos emerged from water and were therefore not as 'evolved' as Amharas. One Abyssinian historian named Alaqa Taye claimed Oromos originated from Madagascar and Asia and entered Africa via Mombasa from where they moved North.
An Abyssinian monk called Bahrey wrote the following in his book The History of the Galla in words clearly meant to stir hatred against Oromos:


Sources show Oromos have always been in that extensive region for millenia, even earlier that Habishas as per some sources. The Oromia regions of the upper Nile were often referred to as Punt, Cush (Kush), or Ethiopia. Some pillars that Oromos used to create their Calendar System were discovered in northern Kenya which were dated to around 300 B.C! Oromo's would definitely count as one of the longest lasting victims of prejudice whose history has been too distorted by foreign forces that their role in ancient civilization may be hard to trace. They were probably facing the same prejudice back then. Not to say they were definitely part of Kush as I too have no evidence, but its unlikely they had nothing to do with it given their history of regional trade in gold, ivory, myrrh, etc. with Egypt, Greece, Rome and Persia.