the white world is perishing.....what their parents were afraid of is happening right now....go paris and walk around and you will see africans are actualy colonizing europe right now....

africans and arab africans plenty in europe....

building mosques in europe was unheard of decades ago...but mosques are been built all over europe today....

Ugosample:


I'm saying Zuma reign was terrible

with the black outs, corruption and the high unemployment /debt

So it did decline, and it was there economic contraction that made Nigeria leap frog them in the first place


That's my point

No one is denying Zuma was bad, isn't that why they asked to leave ?

I don't think you really know the history of South Africa. LOL, what black outs ? South Africa enjoys 24hrs of electricity as we speak , I think you are talking about the 2015 crisis, they sorted it out. They built more power plants to accommodate the growing population. Remember the plants built by whites were only meant for 10% of the population , the black government caters for all, see the difference ?.

The black government inherited a bankrupt economy , the whites looted almost everything, so what is your point again?

The are more people who enjoy dignified jobs now and paid well than during white rule .
If things were better during white timed , I think South Africans would be calling for another round .

They did what ?

bantudra:


i dont know much about south africa...and that south africa has that many kingdoms is a lie.....

that area south was mostly zulu and shona...i dont know about other sub groups....

I'm glad you said , you don't know much. You should have read up about it before commenting.

Runalong333:


No one is denying Zuma was bad, isn't that why they asked to leave ?

I don't think you really know the history of South Africa. LOL, what black outs ? South Africa enjoys 24hrs of electricity as we speak , I think you are talking about the 2015 crisis, they sorted it out. They built more power plants to accommodate the growing population. Remember the plants built by whites were only meant for 10% of the population , the black government caters for all, see the difference ?.

The black government inherited a bankrupt economy , the whites looted almost everything, so what is your point again?

The are more people who enjoy dignified jobs now and paid well than during white rule .
If things were better during white timed , I think South Africans would be calling for another round .

They did what ?

the blacks revolted in S.A. because they were oppressed and cheated and maligned

The economy was not built for them back in the day, and they had to destroy that system

bantudra:


stfu...south africa is only trying to find back their roots that was erased by whites....

ofcourse they will go through transitions too to find back who they realy are....nothing special....

but nigeria is faster in that...kings full nigeria....

Runalong333:


No one is denying Zuma was bad, isn't that why they asked to leave ?

I don't think you really know the history of South Africa. LOL, what black outs ? South Africa enjoys 24hrs of electricity as we speak , I think you are talking about the 2015 crisis, they sorted it out. They built more power plants to accommodate the growing population. Remember the plants built by whites were only meant for 10% of the population , the black government caters for all, see the difference ?.

The black government inherited a bankrupt economy , the whites looted almost everything, so what is your point again?

The are more people who enjoy dignified jobs now and paid well than during white rule .
If things were better during white timed , I think South Africans would be calling for another round .

They did what ?

dont mind him...we have many blacks that think nothing good can come from other blacks......nigeria suffers alot from this nonesense too....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

Ugosample:


the blacks revolted in S.A. because they were oppressed and cheated and maligned

The economy was not built for them back in the day, and they had to destroy that system

I'm still not getting what exactly you were supporting from the " South Africa has gone down since blacks took over "? .

Everyone knows what you wrote here , what's the point ?

bantudra:


dont mind him...we have many blacks that think nothing good can come from other blacks......nigeria suffers alot from this nonesense too....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

I know, it's sad .

Nigeria like someone above said is a Geographical expression with so many Nations. That being said, each individual Nation have a very different perspective and view on how progress should be made. we were not amalgamated and united by our consent. it was done by force. you cannot forcefully marry a woman who does not know you or love you. it is in very rare scenarios that you have a forceful marriage turn out to be a bed of roses. WE WILL NEVER BE UNITED. ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE DOOMS DAY PROPHETS ARE VINDICATED. NIGERIA IS JUST A MARRIAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT REALLY LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i hope when the inevitable happens, i pray lives wont be lost.......

Runalong333:



I know, it's sad .

i know...this made me cry back then....i deceided to keep it and show other blacks that they maybe know what they are doing to theirselves.....

lionness:
soko soko...soko soko baby. Soko soko

Eledumare bless us with the power to just discuss and discuss and discuss. And Nigeria at the end of all the discussion will still be a shythole country where the divIdeneds of democracy is just 5k per vote. Naija is trash

You are a South African but you need to know that Nigerians will come after you if you insult us.


We might be everything bad but we unite against a foreigner trying to insult us

Runalong333:


I'm still not getting what exactly you were supporting from the " South Africa has gone down since blacks took over "? .

Everyone knows what you wrote here , what's the point ?

I said he has a point

And I have explained what /why i think he has a point with Zuma

what else do you want again?

Ugosample:


I said he has a point

And I have explained what /why i think he has a point with Zuma

what else do you want again?

LOL, so Zuma is the whole black South Africa? . He insinuated that South Africa is now worse off than before , and that is a huge misconception .

CanineOfJackal:
You are a South African but you need to know that Nigerians will come after you if you insult us.


We might be everything bad but we unite against a foreigner trying to insult us

ooohhh that we always do....

i remember in europe when a white tried to piss me off....igbos backed me no be small....even me i was surprised....

meccuno:
Nigeria like someone above said is a Geographical expression with so many Nations. That being said, each individual Nation have a very different perspective and view on how progress should be made. we were not amalgamated and united by our consent. it was done by force. you cannot forcefully marry a woman who does not know you or love you. it is in very rare scenarios that you have a forceful marriage turn out to be a bed of roses. WE WILL NEVER BE UNITED. ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE DOOMS DAY PROPHETS ARE VINDICATED. NIGERIA IS JUST A MARRIAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT REALLY LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i hope when the inevitable happens, i pray lives wont be lost.......

Why can't we first try put our respective regions in order ? If we can better manage them , that would be proof that each individual nation would prosper .

meccuno:
Nigeria like someone above said is a Geographical expression with so many Nations. That being said, each individual Nation have a very different perspective and view on how progress should be made. we were not amalgamated and united by our consent. it was done by force. you cannot forcefully marry a woman who does not know you or love you. it is in very rare scenarios that you have a forceful marriage turn out to be a bed of roses. WE WILL NEVER BE UNITED. ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE DOOMS DAY PROPHETS ARE VINDICATED. NIGERIA IS JUST A MARRIAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT REALLY LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i hope when the inevitable happens, i pray lives wont be lost.......

when the founding fathers agreed that Nigeria should gain independence together , the British was absolved of any blame


What has made Nigeria this way is not about the diverse tribes (America and India and Indonesia amongst other countries are more diverse)

it's much more than that

Ghana has a hundred tribes and have never fought a civil war.


it's all about the people in that country, that's the truth, and decades of military rule also did its damage


If every ethnic group strove to develop his own corner of Nigeria, Nigeria as a whole would have been presentable


But illiteracy (where the tribalism roots from) And barbaric mentality is the real problem of Nigeria


That's just it

Runalong333:



Why can't we first try put our respective regions in order ? If we can better manage them , that would be proof that each individual nation would prosper .

don't mind that guy

meccuno:
Nigeria like someone above said is a Geographical expression with so many Nations. That being said, each individual Nation have a very different perspective and view on how progress should be made. we were not amalgamated and united by our consent. it was done by force. you cannot forcefully marry a woman who does not know you or love you. it is in very rare scenarios that you have a forceful marriage turn out to be a bed of roses. WE WILL NEVER BE UNITED. ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE DOOMS DAY PROPHETS ARE VINDICATED. NIGERIA IS JUST A MARRIAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT REALLY LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i hope when the inevitable happens, i pray lives wont be lost.......

And what is the root of "people who do not really love one another" ?

Ugosample:


don't mind that guy

I think we have the misconception that our population and tribes are the problem and that's wrong. There are many countries with such diversity but still put their differences aside for the common good. The way I look at it , we are just suspicious of each other due to the war . If we can learn to trust , Nigeria would be great. We have a lot going for us as a country but just need unity.

HarryDuce:
We gradually lost our way from independence. After the civil war, almost every aspect of the society took a down turn.


We don't have strong institutions in place to checkmate the excesses of anybody. Everyone is playing victim; at the same time, we hear of the great exploits of everyone. Three major tribes are using every opportunity to massage their egos. In another end, we have the religious fanatics who mix religion with everything you can think of. Politicians use religious lines when they fail, the masses believe them.

We need strong institutions in place, independent of each other. The police, army, navy needs to be reformed. This is very important.

you have made sense nwanne

Ihaveleftnaija:
Nice write up.

I believe we missed the chance for unity during colonial times . When I look at South Africans, particularly the blacks , they care not if the leader is Zulu or whatever. This I think is mainly to do with the fact that they united all their tribes during white rule, something we should have done . I believe we were and are still weak to the manipulations of the British . They put the Northerners , who are mainly anti education at the helm of things , knowing very well they would do everything to suppress the hunger for education the southerners have. This was very smart , I must confess . An uneducated populace is a defeated one , Nigeria has one of the highest number of illiterates in the world , meaning we have the highest number of people who can be easily fooled or ruled by sentiments . These are not good for development and progress, as is evident with Our forever detoriating state. Compare the two countries budgets , not just in education and health , but everything . There is absolutely no comparison, don't forget we also have 4 times the mouths to feed than them. I'm happy you mentioned restructuring because that is what we need or we might as well separate because this rubbish is not working . It's only working for the UK . We are still indirectly ruled by them . Proper health care , we run to their hospitals built by our resources . Education, we run to their schools . Good living standards , our political class would rather invest in building their roads than build their own. Brother to cut a long story short, the difference is in the mindset of the average citizen. South Africans are brought up to love their country and protect it , we are groomed from birth to escape our own; abroad is always a goal for our youth. Like you mentioned, in sane countries influential people like Linda ikeji would have been cursed by citizens for parading giving birth in another mans land instead of using their powers and influence to shine light on our decayed hospitals. It's an embarrassment, that we the followers, follow blindly like slaves without questioning. The ball is in our court .

I have nothing to add here , you have said it all bro.

Runalong333:


I think we have the misconception that our population and tribes are the problem and that's wrong. There are many countries with such diversity but still put their differences aside for the common good. The way I look at it , we are just suspicious of each other due to the war . If we can learn to trust , Nigeria would be great. We have a lot going for us as a country but just need unity.

I have seen private organisations where young trendy millennial Nigerians from different ethnic groups put tribalism behind and work together

They achieve a whole lot together


Normally millennial are supposed to have a different world view than these old cargo dead brain generation before them

But a good number of these millennial are allowing the generation before them pollute them

Ugosample:


when the founding fathers agreed that Nigeria should gain independence together , the British was absolved of any blame


What has made Nigeria this way is not about the diverse tribes (America and India and Indonesia amongst other countries are more diverse)

it's much more than that

Ghana has a hundred tribes and have never fought a civil war.


it's all about the people in that country, that's the truth, and decades of military rule also did its damage


If every ethnic group strove to develop his own corner of Nigeria, Nigeria as a whole would have been presentable


But illiteracy (where the tribalism roots from) And barbaric mentality is the real problem of Nigeria


That's just it

lets take the UK for example.you have certain countries that are independent for each other. they have their seperate culture and religion and way of life. they are not one country. they are a group of countries with the power to leave the union if so be. now Ghana doesn't have they same number of tribes Nigeria does. that is why they have relative peace. tribalism is not a bad thing per say because every one pays allegiance to his Nation. when ahmadu bello said derogatory things about the igbos in 1963, it was what he was programmed to do in the sense that everybody supports where he or she comes from. awolowo performed well in the western region because he was a visionary and he was a nationalist to the Yoruba people. same can be said of Ojukwu. he came at a time the Igbo nation needed a leader and rose to be a leader for his people. no matter how educated you are, you would always feel that your tribe is the best and must reach for the stars. the only way africa can grow is through separation of heterogeneous tribes and creating countries with a homogeneous culture and religion. Nigeria is just one big entity created by the British for selfish purposes not because they love us so much.

Runalong333:



Why can't we first try put our respective regions in order ? If we can better manage them , that would be proof that each individual nation would prosper .

the regions were all doing well until the military came in. we have seen what we can do as individuals. and we can see what we have been doing for more that 50 years as one entity. its not working. we all know the tribes that are benefiting from this union. that is not how a country should function. having read a little history of Nigeria. the best solution is disintegration. i was not born a slave so i wonder why there are people who are more opportuined in Nigeria than every other people. it is not right. we didnt get independence only to be enslaved by new set of colonialist.

Ugosample:


I have seen private organisations where young trendy millennial Nigerians from different ethnic groups put tribalism behind and work together

They achieve a whole lot together


Normally millennial are supposed to have a different world view than these old cargo dead brain generation before them

But a good number of these millennial are allowing the generation before them pollute them

True bro , I have also seen how well we work together once we put the bigotry aside. It's a pity that the majority are so caught up in the past and allow the hatred of illiterate elders to infiltrate them. It's disheartening .

gidgiddy:
As at 1960 when Nigeria got its independence, Nigeria was comparable to South Africa and South Korea.

Today, not only is South Korea 100 years ahead of Nigeria in terms of development, South Africa is far ahead as well.

I think that in the case of Nigeria, the country simply does not work. Bringing Yoruba/Hausa/Igbo together in 1914 was a disasterous mistake. All 3 ethnic groups should have been 3 different countries. We don't have a national philosophy, unifying factor or common value system. Out of our disunity, we expect miracles to happen? It doesn't work that way. It is time for Nigeria to disintegrate, we will all do better on our own than together

Thanks to those that started the civil war n also those that do not want Buhari who is building the infrastructure that made SA what it is today but want a PDP that will rather loot Nigeria to it grave.

HarryDuce:
We gradually lost our way from independence. After the civil war, almost every aspect of the society took a down turn.


We don't have strong institutions in place to checkmate the excesses of anybody. Everyone is playing victim; at the same time, we hear of the great exploits of everyone. Three major tribes are using every opportunity to massage their egos. In another end, we have the religious fanatics who mix religion with everything you can think of. Politicians use religious lines when they fail, the masses believe them.

We need strong institutions in place, independent of each other. The police, army, navy needs to be reformed. This is very important.

This so true , we lack strong institutions .

meccuno:
lets take the UK for example.you have certain countries that are independent for each other. they have their seperate culture and religion and way of life. they are not one country. they are a group of countries with the power to leave the union if so be. now Ghana doesn't have they same number of tribes Nigeria does. that is why they have relative peace. tribalism is not a bad thing per say because every one pays allegiance to his Nation. when ahmadu bello said derogatory things about the igbos in 1963, it was what he was programmed to do in the sense that everybody supports where he or she comes from. awolowo performed well in the western region because he was a visionary and he was a nationalist to the Yoruba people. same can be said of Ojukwu. he came at a time the Igbo nation needed a leader and rose to be a leader for his people. no matter how educated you are, you would always feel that your tribe is the best and must reach for the stars. the only way africa can grow is through separation of heterogeneous tribes and creating countries with a homogeneous culture and religion. Nigeria is just one big entity created by the British for selfish purposes not because they love us so much.

tribalism is not a bad thing per se?

can you hear what you saying? ?
(you just exhibited the barbaric mentality I have been complaining about)

The founding fathers if Nigeria in a way polarised the country with that rubbish mentality and look at where it has gotten us.

Nigeria has sailed far and can no longer disintegrate;
We have no secession clause in our constitution, and only a constitutional amendment (which is mission impossible) that can even give provision for separation

Another option is war, but we tried that before and saw how it ended

So Nigerians better find a way to eschew that rotten mentality

Ghana can be compared to Nigeria itself because Ghana has many many many tribes too for theur size.
And they have been able to build a national identity
All thanks to Nkrumah.


Nigerians have to throw away this mentality for real progress to happen

Pivotal:


Thanks to those that started the civil war n also those that do not want Buhari who is building the infrastructure that made SA what it is today but want a PDP that will rather loot Nigeria to it grave.

and who started the civil war?

Ugosample:


tribalism is not a bad thing per se?

can you hear what you saying? ?
(you just exhibited the barbaric mentality I have been complaining about)

The founding fathers if Nigeria in a way polarised the country with that rubbish mentality and look at where it has gotten us.

Nigeria has sailed far and can no longer disintegrate;
We have no secession clause in our constitution, and only a constitutional amendment (which is mission impossible) that can even give provision for separation

Another option is war, but we tried that before and saw how it ended

So Nigerians better find a way to eschew that rotten mentality

Ghana can be compared to Nigeria itself because Ghana has many many many tribes too for theur size.
And they have been able to build a national identity
All thanks to Nkrumah.


Nigerians have to throw away this mentality for real progress to happen

tribalism
ˈtrʌɪbəlɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes.
DEROGATORY
the behaviour and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.

meccuno:
tribalism
ˈtrʌɪbəlɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes.
DEROGATORY
the behaviour and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.

you know what tribalism means in the Nigerian context, so don't even try to play smart

meccuno:
the regions were all doing well until the military came in. we have seen what we can do as individuals. and we can see what we have been doing for more that 50 years as one entity. its not working. we all know the tribes that are benefiting from this union. that is not how a country should function. having read a little history of Nigeria. the best solution is disintegration. i was not born a slave so i wonder why there are people who are more opportuined in Nigeria than every other people. it is not right. we didnt get independence only to be enslaved by new set of colonialist.

Brother I hear your cries . But for me disintegration is not really an option for me but restructuring. If only all the states would get equal funding .